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Peter W2IRT

Sending AFSK RTTY

I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set
my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I
don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have
the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a
MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be
doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case.

Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just
LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the
K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data
mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio
using Data mode for FT8.

Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right
settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always.

----------------------------------------------------

Regards,
Peter Dougherty

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73, Peter W2IRT

Barry LaZar

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

Peter,
I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using
RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK
mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up
should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's
built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just
because.

The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over
running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as
you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of
some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It
also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each
tone.

I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would
estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-)

As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble.
Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB
connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out.
Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The
radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at
38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of
the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4
bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob
that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X.
All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun!

73,
Barry
K3NDM
.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

>I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set
>my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I
>don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have
>the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a
>MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be
>doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case.
>
>Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just
>LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the
>K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data
>mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio
>using Data mode for FT8.
>
>Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right
>settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always.
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------
>
>Regards,
>Peter Dougherty
>
>
>
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

If one wishes to run FT-8 that is a USB mode and DATA A conforms to
that. If you wish to run RTTY i.e. AFSK then use the AFSK A mode and
45 BPS. The AFSK A is LSB mode which conforms to the RTTY protocol.

Set-up between the radio and computer is accomplished with a single USB
cable. I use WSJT-X for FT-8 and MMTTY for AFSK. Both support CAT
control for frequency and mode. When you use DATA A or AFSK A the
compression and EQ for both RX and TX are negated and you do not have to
make any changes to your SSB settings. As Barry said, the audio level
from the computer and audio level adjusted in the software application
along with the MIC control on the front which, in those modes, are
actually LINE Gain. The ALC bar should show 4 solid and the 5th
flashing. Control the actual power output is accomplished by using the
PWR control on the radio and NOT in the software or computer.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 3/19/2019 8:23 PM, Barry wrote:

> Peter,
>     I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when
> using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use
> the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The
> set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the
> radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI
> just because.
>
>     The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage
> over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data
> mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the
> output of some digital software into the radio and use any available
> bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a
> filter for each tone.
>
>     I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would
> estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-)
>
>     As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of
> trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using
> the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in
> and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker
> out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control,
> use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the
> front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC
> will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set
> with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for
> FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go.
> Have fun!
>
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
> .
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>
>> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I
>> should set
>> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler
>> exclusively (I
>> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I
>> have
>> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a
>> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be
>> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just
>> in case.
>>
>> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY,
>> just
>> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built
>> into the
>> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using
>> data
>> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio
>> using Data mode for FT8.
>>
>> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right
>> settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as
>> always.
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Regards,
>> Peter Dougherty
>>
>>
>>
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Peter W2IRT

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

In reply to this post by Barry LaZar

Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it.

When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it.

Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are!

- pjd

From: Barry <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM
To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

Peter,

I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because.

The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone.

I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-)

As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun!

73,

Barry

K3NDM

.

------ Original Message ------

From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >

To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>

Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM

Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set

my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I

don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have

the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a

MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be

doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case.

Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just

LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the

K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data

mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio

using Data mode for FT8.

Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right

settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always.

----------------------------------------------------

Regards,

Peter Dougherty

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73, Peter W2IRT

Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

Well it's just me........I don't run any software to run another
software. Thus no N1MM, no DX Lab, no Winwarbler, no Win4K2 and such.
If I want to work RTTY the I use MMTTY. If I want to work the mode FT-8
or other digital modes, then I run WSJT-X. If I want to run PSK-31 or
such, I use FLDIGI. If I want to work CW, I have a Vibroplex on the
desk and the keyer is in the radio. There is no other hardware to be
configured.

I'm a firm believer that more software running means more issues to
resolve. I keep mine simple, one at a time.

Just simple old Bob with a system that works, day in and day out.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 3/19/2019 8:56 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:

> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it.
>
> When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it.
>
> Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are!
>
>
>
> - pjd
>
>
>
> From: Barry <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM
> To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>
>
>
> Peter,
>
> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because.
>
>
>
> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-)
>
>
>
> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun!
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Barry
>
> K3NDM
>
> .
>
> ------ Original Message ------
>
> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >
>
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>
> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM
>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>
>
>
> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set
>
> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I
>
> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have
>
> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a
>
> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be
>
> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case.
>
>
>
> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just
>
> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the
>
> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data
>
> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio
>
> using Data mode for FT8.
>
>
>
> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right
>
> settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Dougherty
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

In reply to this post by Peter W2IRT

In DXLab/WinWarbler (RTTY Tab), set XCVR MODE (LSB) to DATA-L.
DXLab will then select AFSK A for RTTY operation.

I'm sure the information is in DXKeeper's task oriented documentation.
It is certainly available in the microHAM documentation for MK II and
DXLab Suite even though you no longer use MK II.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2019-03-19 9:56 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:

Don Wilhelm

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

In reply to this post by Peter W2IRT

Peter,

I don't know why WinWarbler wants to change the mode on the K3/K3S.
Take that issue up with the WinWarbler folks. Tell them that the K3 has
a distinct data submode for Audio FSK - it is AFSK A and it uses the
lower sideband by default. Use it if you can, just like you are now
using DATA A for WSJT-X.

If WW forces you to use LSB instead, you will have to set compression to
zerro, and set RX EQ and TX EQ to a flat response or your RTTY signal
will not likely be readable. Then when going back to voice operation
you will have to set them back, which is a pain unless you write some
macros to make the changes.

Other than that, the advice you have been given is good.

You may be better off giving up on WinWarbler if they cannot set it up
properly for the K3. MMTTY is not difficult to configure and use -
actually easier than Fldigi.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/19/2019 9:56 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it.
>
> When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it.
>
> Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are!
>
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Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

In reply to this post by Barry LaZar

On 3/19/2019 6:23 PM, Barry wrote:
> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY.

Winwarbler is a front-end for MMTTY and 2Tone. Set Elecraft radios for
AFSK. I use it for RTTY DXing.

73, Jim K9YC

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Richard Ferch-2

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

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<http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/K3PSKRTTY>.

73,
Rich VE3KI
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Peter W2IRT

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

In reply to this post by Bob McGraw - K4TAX

I don't disagree with that approach, Bob. As I've been learning in the last few years, complex is nice when you have the brain-power to cope with all the layers upon layers. Now, I'm far more forgetful, and what used to be fun (learning setup/configs) is one of the things that's driving me away from the hobby.

But that said, I do know how to use a good subset of features of N1MM and DX Labs, based on 18 years of N1MM and just about 10 years of DX Labs. It's just a question of hitting all the right notes (and buttons). I know a lot of guys here rave at the Win4K3 software. I tried it and was extremely impressed--an awful lot of GREAT work went into that program, but it's just too much for me to understand. I'd rather just operate what I know and spend my remaining braincells working guys, not playing computer administrator.

I'm making a lot of progress tonight both here and on the N1MM reflector (and via email). More later.

- pjd

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:05 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

Well it's just me........I don't run any software to run another software. Thus no N1MM, no DX Lab, no Winwarbler, no Win4K2 and such. If I want to work RTTY the I use MMTTY. If I want to work the mode FT-8 or other digital modes, then I run WSJT-X. If I want to run PSK-31 or such, I use FLDIGI. If I want to work CW, I have a Vibroplex on the desk and the keyer is in the radio. There is no other hardware to be configured.

I'm a firm believer that more software running means more issues to resolve. I keep mine simple, one at a time.

Just simple old Bob with a system that works, day in and day out.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 3/19/2019 8:56 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:

> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it.
>
> When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it.
>
> Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are!
>
>
>
> - pjd
>
>
>
> From: Barry <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM
> To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>
>
>
> Peter,
>
> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because.
>
>
>
> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would
> estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-)
>
>
>
> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun!
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Barry
>
> K3NDM
>
> .
>
> ------ Original Message ------
>
> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >
>
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>
> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM
>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>
>
>
> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I
> should set
>
> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler
> exclusively (I
>
> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I
> have
>
> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a
>
> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll
> be
>
> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case.
>
>
>
> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY,
> just
>
> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built
> into the
>
> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using
> data
>
> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the
> radio
>
> using Data mode for FT8.
>
>
>
> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the
> right
>
> settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Dougherty
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

>>In DXLab/WinWarbler (RTTY Tab), set XCVR MODE (LSB) to DATA-L.
DXLab will then select AFSK A for RTTY operation.

[pjd] I set it to DATA-L, but it still only sets the radio to LSB (voice).

>>I'm sure the information is in DXKeeper's task oriented documentation.
[pjd] That's taken me most of the day to sort through and I still can't find the right settings. It took me about 12 hours today (just now) to find out why I wasn't getting any audio through the K3 (Menu-MIC+LIN had been set to OFF).

There's just too much documentation and I can't understand 99% of it. Great for the guys who want the theory. I don't. Just "set this and it'll work" or "this menu, try these 2 things" and I can logic it out from there.

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Don Wilhelm

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

Peter,

For DATA modes, do NOT use MIC+LIN.
That will leave your microphone hot while operating data modes and will
pick up room noise - which will be seen as distortion on your
transmitted signal. (OK, that is part theory which you don't want any
part of, but you need to understand what is happening with the various
K3 and computer application settings if you are to make any headway).

Set MIC SEL to LINE and turn MIC+LIN to OFF.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/19/2019 11:48 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

> [pjd] That's taken me most of the day to sort through and I still can't find the right settings. It took me about 12 hours today (just now) to find out why I wasn't getting any audio through the K3 (Menu-MIC+LIN had been set to OFF).
>
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Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

In reply to this post by Richard Ferch-2

Hi Rich/all,

Well I managed to find the thing that was really messing me up overall, but
I'm still having massive RTTY issues.

What had been happening was no AFSK tones for RTTY were getting through, and
no voice files for SSB. The key (as I think you mentioned on the N1MM
reflector) was the MENU: MIC+LIN setting on the K3s. Once I set that to ON I
got voice files. But there's literally nothing I can do to get out of LSB
voice mode when WinWarbler is in RTTY mode.

Right now, on the RTTY tab, in the Modulation and Transceiver Mode section I
have AFSK with the LSB button ticked. I've tried both RTTY mode and DATA-L,
which Joe suggested. As I switch WinWarbler between CW, SSB, and RTTY, when
I get to RTTY the radio is placed into LSB (voice) mode, not DATA-A, which
is the desired result. There is no PTT either, the radio just stays in LSB
receive.There is no RTTY SUB MODE setting on the General tab. I guess Dave
removed it after your wrote the wiki; however I changed the DATA-L to RTTY.
No change.

Since the Elecraft portion of this setup has been solved (Mic+LIN), the rest
is related to DX Labs, so I'm going to take this last bit of setup to their
groups.io forum to conserve bandwidth on this reflector.

- pjd

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On
Behalf Of Richard Ferch
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:27 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

<http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/K3PSKRTTY>.

73,
Rich VE3KI
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Don Wilhelm

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

In reply to this post by Peter W2IRT

Peter,

If you are trying to use a computer application (DXLab Suite) and such
which call on other computer applications to do your wishes, I fail to
understand why you are so adverse to learning the layers of the various
software application inter-dependencies and setups that relate one
application to another.

Bob's approach embodies the KISS principle - use one dedicated
application at a time. There is no chance that dependencies of one
software application will interfere with another.

If you chose to use stacked computer applications, then you will have to
understand the relationships between the various computer applications
that you have running. Yes, it can be complex.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/19/2019 11:40 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:

> I don't disagree with that approach, Bob. As I've been learning in the last few years, complex is nice when you have the brain-power to cope with all the layers upon layers. Now, I'm far more forgetful, and what used to be fun (learning setup/configs) is one of the things that's driving me away from the hobby.
>
> But that said, I do know how to use a good subset of features of N1MM and DX Labs, based on 18 years of N1MM and just about 10 years of DX Labs. It's just a question of hitting all the right notes (and buttons). I know a lot of guys here rave at the Win4K3 software. I tried it and was extremely impressed--an awful lot of GREAT work went into that program, but it's just too much for me to understand. I'd rather just operate what I know and spend my remaining braincells working guys, not playing computer administrator.
>
> I'm making a lot of progress tonight both here and on the N1MM reflector (and via email). More later.
>
> - pjd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:05 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>
> Well it's just me........I don't run any software to run another software. Thus no N1MM, no DX Lab, no Winwarbler, no Win4K2 and such. If I want to work RTTY the I use MMTTY. If I want to work the mode FT-8 or other digital modes, then I run WSJT-X. If I want to run PSK-31 or such, I use FLDIGI. If I want to work CW, I have a Vibroplex on the desk and the keyer is in the radio. There is no other hardware to be configured.
>
> I'm a firm believer that more software running means more issues to resolve. I keep mine simple, one at a time.
>
> Just simple old Bob with a system that works, day in and day out.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 3/19/2019 8:56 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
>> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it.
>>
>> When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it.
>>
>> Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are!
>>
>>
>>
>> - pjd
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Barry <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM
>> To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because.
>>
>>
>>
>> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would
>> estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun!
>>
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> K3NDM
>>
>> .
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>>
>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >
>>
>> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>
>> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM
>>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>>
>>
>>
>> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I
>> should set
>>
>> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler
>> exclusively (I
>>
>> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I
>> have
>>
>> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a
>>
>> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll
>> be
>>
>> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case.
>>
>>
>>
>> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY,
>> just
>>
>> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built
>> into the
>>
>> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using
>> data
>>
>> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the
>> radio
>>
>> using Data mode for FT8.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the
>> right
>>
>> settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Peter Dougherty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Barry LaZar

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

In reply to this post by Peter W2IRT

Peter,
For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever
you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use
FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for
contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others.
With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s
making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting
your software know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the
com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the
radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you
tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is
turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and
off when you're finished sending.

I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but
you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then
they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I
am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI.
MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be
more straight forward.

If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really
shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play.
Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't
function before about noon EDT.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]>
To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

>Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get
>it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it
>in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never)
>understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way
>around it.
>
>When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering
>came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked
>with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar
>using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall
>filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just
>puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it.
>
>Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s
>compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3
>nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost
>no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via
>WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just
>won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t
>that hard to do….yet here we are!
>
>
>
>- pjd
>
>
>
>From: Barry <[hidden email]>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM
>To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>
>
>
>Peter,
>
> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using
>RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK
>mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up
>should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's
>built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just
>because.
>
>
>
> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage
>over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode
>as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output
>of some digital software into the radio and use any available
>bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a
>filter for each tone.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would
>estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-)
>
>
>
> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble.
>Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB
>connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out.
>Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The
>radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at
>38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of
>the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show
>4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the
>knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using
>WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun!
>
>
>
>73,
>
>Barry
>
>K3NDM
>
>.
>
>------ Original Message ------
>
>From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]>
>
>To: [hidden email]
>
>Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM
>
>Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>
>
>
>>I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I
>>should set
>>
>>my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler
>>exclusively (I
>>
>>don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I
>>have
>>
>>the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a
>>
>>MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll
>>be
>>
>>doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in
>>case.
>>
>>
>>
>>Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY,
>>just
>>
>>LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built
>>into the
>>
>>K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using
>>data
>>
>>mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the
>>radio
>>
>>using Data mode for FT8.
>>
>>
>>
>>Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the
>>right
>>
>>settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as
>>always.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Peter Dougherty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Peter W2IRT

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I’ll have screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off…provided I keep the K3!

RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll be. I have little love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now!

- pjd

From: Barry <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM
To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

Peter,

For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending.

I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be more straight forward.

If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function before about noon EDT.

73,

Barry

K3NDM

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From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >

To: "Barry" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >; [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>

Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM

Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it.

When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it.

Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are!

- pjd

From: Barry <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM
To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >; [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

Peter,

I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because.

The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone.

I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-)

As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun!

73,

Barry

K3NDM

.

------ Original Message ------

From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >

To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>

Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM

Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set

my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I

don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have

the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a

MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be

doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case.

Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just

LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the

K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data

mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio

using Data mode for FT8.

Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right

settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always.

----------------------------------------------------

Regards,

Peter Dougherty

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Richard Ferch-2

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

In reply to this post by Peter W2IRT

First, in Data modes, do *not* set MAIN:MIC+LIN to ON. As Joe has
explained, you need to set MAIN:MIC+LIN to OFF and MAIN:MIC SEL to LINE.

When you are using WinWarbler, all radio control functions are handled by
Commander. Commander must be running, and must be interfaced with the
radio. The RTTY sub-mode selector is on the General tab of Coimmander's
Config window (upper right quadrant). If you don't see it, Commander is not
communicating with the radio, and you need to correct that first.

Unless you are using a hardware PTT method on a separate COM port from rig
control, PTT is also handled by Commander (that is what the Xcvr Ctrl App
setting in the WinWarbler configuration means). The PTT buttons on the main
Commander window need to be working; if they don't switch the radio into
and out of transmit, you need to fix that, otherwise WinWarbler will be
unable to control PTT via Commander.

73,
Rich VE3KI

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 12:12 AM Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Rich/all,
>
> Well I managed to find the thing that was really messing me up overall, but
> I'm still having massive RTTY issues.
>
> What had been happening was no AFSK tones for RTTY were getting through,
> and
> no voice files for SSB. The key (as I think you mentioned on the N1MM
> reflector) was the MENU: MIC+LIN setting on the K3s. Once I set that to ON
> I
> got voice files. But there's literally nothing I can do to get out of LSB
> voice mode when WinWarbler is in RTTY mode.
>
> Right now, on the RTTY tab, in the Modulation and Transceiver Mode section
> I
> have AFSK with the LSB button ticked. I've tried both RTTY mode and DATA-L,
> which Joe suggested. As I switch WinWarbler between CW, SSB, and RTTY, when
> I get to RTTY the radio is placed into LSB (voice) mode, not DATA-A, which
> is the desired result. There is no PTT either, the radio just stays in LSB
> receive.There is no RTTY SUB MODE setting on the General tab. I guess Dave
> removed it after your wrote the wiki; however I changed the DATA-L to RTTY.
> No change.
>
> Since the Elecraft portion of this setup has been solved (Mic+LIN), the
> rest
> is related to DX Labs, so I'm going to take this last bit of setup to their
> groups.io forum to conserve bandwidth on this reflector.
>
> - pjd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> On
> Behalf Of Richard Ferch
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:27 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>
> <http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/K3PSKRTTY>.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
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Barry LaZar

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

In reply to this post by Peter W2IRT

I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the
level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital
mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice
DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow
down the receive bandwidth.

Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham
Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just
using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is
developed and a level of comfort is built.

I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious,
less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many,
just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc.
I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on
80 for 5BDXCC.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]>
To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY

>I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it
>definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of software.
>Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still
>had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented
>everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty
>quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are
>now different. Again, once this is all settled I’ll have screenshot of
>each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off…provided I keep
>the K3!
>
>RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the
>sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll be. I
>have little love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now!
>
>
>
>
>- pjd
>
>
>
>From: Barry <[hidden email]>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM
>To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
>Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>
>
>
>Peter,
>
> For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever
>you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use
>FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for
>contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others.
>With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s
>making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of
>letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB
>CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting
>the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over
>this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to
>tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your
>transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending.
>
>
>
> I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but
>you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then
>they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I
>am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI.
>MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should
>be more straight forward.
>
>
>
> If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really
>shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play.
>Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't
>function before about noon EDT.
>
>
>
>73,
>
>Barry
>
>K3NDM
>
>
>
>------ Original Message ------
>
>From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]>
>
>To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
>
>Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM
>
>Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>
>
>
>>Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to
>>get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned
>>it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will
>>never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is
>>no way around it.
>>
>>When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering
>>came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked
>>with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar
>>using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall
>>filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler
>>just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it.
>>
>>Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s
>>compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3
>>nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost
>>no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via
>>WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just
>>won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t
>>that hard to do….yet here we are!
>>
>>
>>
>>- pjd
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Barry <[hidden email]>
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM
>>To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
>>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>>
>>
>>
>>Peter,
>>
>> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when
>>using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use
>>the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The
>>set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the
>>radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI
>>just because.
>>
>>
>>
>> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage
>>over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data
>>mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the
>>output of some digital software into the radio and use any available
>>bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a
>>filter for each tone.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would
>>estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of
>>trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using
>>the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in
>>and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker
>>out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control,
>>use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the
>>front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC
>>will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set
>>with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for
>>FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go.
>>Have fun!
>>
>>
>>
>>73,
>>
>>Barry
>>
>>K3NDM
>>
>>.
>>
>>------ Original Message ------
>>
>>From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]>
>>
>>To: [hidden email]
>>
>>Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM
>>
>>Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY
>>
>>
>>
>>>I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I
>>>should set
>>>
>>>my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler
>>>exclusively (I
>>>
>>>don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I
>>>have
>>>
>>>the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had
>>>a
>>>
>>>MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll
>>>be
>>>
>>>doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just
>>>in case.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY,
>>>just
>>>
>>>LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built
>>>into the
>>>
>>>K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using
>>>data
>>>
>>>mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the
>>>radio
>>>
>>>using Data mode for FT8.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the
>>>right
>>>
>>>settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as
>>>always.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Peter Dougherty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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k6dgw

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

In reply to this post by Bob McGraw - K4TAX

"The more parts you pile into the rocket, the more likely it will end up
pointy end down somewhere in the western desert."
--NASA proverb from Apollo

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 3/19/2019 7:05 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

> Well it's just me........I don't run any software to run another
> software. Thus no N1MM, no DX Lab, no Winwarbler, no Win4K2 and
> such. If I want to work RTTY the I use MMTTY. If I want to work the
> mode FT-8 or other digital modes, then I run WSJT-X. If I want to
> run PSK-31 or such, I use FLDIGI. If I want to work CW, I have a
> Vibroplex on the desk and the keyer is in the radio. There is no other
> hardware to be configured.
>
> I'm a firm believer that more software running means more issues to
> resolve. I keep mine simple, one at a time.
>
> Just simple old Bob with a system that works, day in and day out.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX

Jim Brown-10

Re: Sending AFSK RTTY

In reply to this post by Richard Ferch-2

I use Winwarbler for all non-contesting RTTY (chasing DX), and I rarely
use Commander. I use VOX to key the radio for SSB and all digital modes
(I work RTTY and several WSJT modes). Indeed, I've never used hardware PTT.

73, Jim K9YC

On 3/20/2019 5:49 AM, Richard Ferch wrote:
> When you are using WinWarbler, all radio control functions are handled by
> Commander.

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