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Hi Rich,
I didn’t realize that the MAIN:MIC+LIN setting is disabled in data modes. Right now, with the radio in Data mode, AFSK-A, Mic Sel is set to LInE In, and Mic+LIN is flagged not APPL. Commander is running and interfaces perfectly with the radio. The RTTY sub-mode box is (and has been) set to AFSK. When I press the TX button in the General tab, or on the Commander application’s main interface the radio switches into transmit, and ditto RX with the RX button. Commander is working fine. I am not using any form of hardware PTT now. Everything is using just the USB port on the K3s. The issue is definitely within WinWarbler in my estimation. I posted this to a relevant thread on the DX Labs reflector, but the upshot is that WinWarbler is forcing the radio into LSB (voice) mode, and does not appear to even try to use DATA mode/AFSK-A within the K3s, and the TX/RX switching in RTTY mode doesn’t work. It DOES work in CW and SSB and both those send macros just fine. With WinWarbler shut down I can manually go select DATA mode on the K3s and it seems to receive fine (can’t test it out because there hasn’t been a real live RTTY signal all day). As soon as I bring WW back up, and select the RTTY mode radio button, the K3s drops into LSB mode. Something I just did notice now, however. On commander, in the mode selection box, if I hit RTTY, the K3s DOES go into AFSK-A RTTY mode, and the TX/RX buttons work (no tones sent, just asserting PTT and that’s it). On the General tab of the WinWarbler config panel I have selected RTTY Transceiver mode for RTTY operating mode but so far no joy. I’m guessing DATA-L and DATA-U are not for RTTY operation in that case. I will try shutting down DX Lab Suite, rebooting the PC, and see if that helps. - pjd From: Richard Ferch <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 8:49 AM To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]> Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY First, in Data modes, do *not* set MAIN:MIC+LIN to ON. As Joe has explained, you need to set MAIN:MIC+LIN to OFF and MAIN:MIC SEL to LINE. When you are using WinWarbler, all radio control functions are handled by Commander. Commander must be running, and must be interfaced with the radio. The RTTY sub-mode selector is on the General tab of Coimmander's Config window (upper right quadrant). If you don't see it, Commander is not communicating with the radio, and you need to correct that first. Unless you are using a hardware PTT method on a separate COM port from rig control, PTT is also handled by Commander (that is what the Xcvr Ctrl App setting in the WinWarbler configuration means). The PTT buttons on the main Commander window need to be working; if they don't switch the radio into and out of transmit, you need to fix that, otherwise WinWarbler will be unable to control PTT via Commander. 73, Rich VE3KI On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 12:12 AM Peter Dougherty <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > wrote: Hi Rich/all, Well I managed to find the thing that was really messing me up overall, but I'm still having massive RTTY issues. What had been happening was no AFSK tones for RTTY were getting through, and no voice files for SSB. The key (as I think you mentioned on the N1MM reflector) was the MENU: MIC+LIN setting on the K3s. Once I set that to ON I got voice files. But there's literally nothing I can do to get out of LSB voice mode when WinWarbler is in RTTY mode. Right now, on the RTTY tab, in the Modulation and Transceiver Mode section I have AFSK with the LSB button ticked. I've tried both RTTY mode and DATA-L, which Joe suggested. As I switch WinWarbler between CW, SSB, and RTTY, when I get to RTTY the radio is placed into LSB (voice) mode, not DATA-A, which is the desired result. There is no PTT either, the radio just stays in LSB receive.There is no RTTY SUB MODE setting on the General tab. I guess Dave removed it after your wrote the wiki; however I changed the DATA-L to RTTY. No change. Since the Elecraft portion of this setup has been solved (Mic+LIN), the rest is related to DX Labs, so I'm going to take this last bit of setup to their groups.io <http://groups.io> forum to conserve bandwidth on this reflector. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > On Behalf Of Richard Ferch Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:27 PM To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY <http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/K3PSKRTTY>. 73, Rich VE3KI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is working fine.
Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s just RTTY (so far) that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will ever use that mode). I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set correctly. - pjd From: Barry <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the receive bandwidth. Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is developed and a level of comfort is built. I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > To: "Barry" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >; [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I’ll have screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off…provided I keep the K3! RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll be. I have little love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now! - pjd From: Barry <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >; [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Peter, For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending. I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be more straight forward. If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function before about noon EDT. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > To: "Barry" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >; [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it. Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are! - pjd From: Barry <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >; [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Peter, I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! 73, Barry K3NDM . ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio using Data mode for FT8. Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Hmmmm. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your
tones are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will turn your radio to transmit. So, if you were planning to use the CAT function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless of a correct set up for the PTT, or not. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY. >Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, >mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct >mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, >so RX is working fine. > >Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, >CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s just >RTTY (so far) that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not >that I will ever use that mode). > >I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I >went through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be >set correctly. > > >- pjd > > > >From: Barry <[hidden email]> >Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM >To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > >I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the >level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital >mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice >DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow >down the receive bandwidth. > > > >Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham >Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just >using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is >developed and a level of comfort is built. > > > >I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get >serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared >to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, >rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for >digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC. > > > >73, > >Barry > >K3NDM > > > >------ Original Message ------ > >From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> > >To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] > >Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM > >Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > >>I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it >>definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of >>software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. >>I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented >>everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild >>pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of >>settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I’ll have >>screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a >>one-off…provided I keep the K3! >> >>RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and >>the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll >>be. I have little love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now! >> >> >> >>- pjd >> >> >> >>From: Barry <[hidden email]> >>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM >>To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >>Peter, >> >> For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever >>you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I >>use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for >>contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. >>With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s >>making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of >>letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB >>CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting >>the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over >>this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot >>to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your >>transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending. >> >> >> >> I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but >>you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then >>they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if >>I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use >>FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup >>should be more straight forward. >> >> >> >> If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really >>shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. >>Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't >>function before about noon EDT. >> >> >> >>73, >> >>Barry >> >>K3NDM >> >> >> >>------ Original Message ------ >> >>From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >> >>To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >> >>Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM >> >>Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >>>Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to >>>get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I >>>mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t >>>(and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do >>>unless there is no way around it. >>> >>>When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY >>>filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and >>>it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have >>>something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the >>>twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY >>>mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it. >>> >>>Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s >>>compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 >>>nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m >>>almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via >>>WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just >>>won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it >>>isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are! >>> >>> >>> >>>- pjd >>> >>> >>> >>>From: Barry <[hidden email]> >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM >>>To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>>Peter, >>> >>> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when >>>using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use >>>the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The >>>set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the >>>radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI >>>just because. >>> >>> >>> >>> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage >>>over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data >>>mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the >>>output of some digital software into the radio and use any available >>>bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has >>>a filter for each tone. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would >>>estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of >>>trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using >>>the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio >>>in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and >>>speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for >>>control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic >>>control on the front of the radio to set the level for the >>>transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The >>>power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This >>>should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is >>>set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! >>> >>> >>> >>>73, >>> >>>Barry >>> >>>K3NDM >>> >>>. >>> >>>------ Original Message ------ >>> >>>From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >>> >>>To: [hidden email] >>> >>>Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM >>> >>>Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>>>I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I >>>>should set >>>> >>>>my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler >>>>exclusively (I >>>> >>>>don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I >>>>have >>>> >>>>the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had >>>>a >>>> >>>>MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt >>>>I'll be >>>> >>>>doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just >>>>in case. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for >>>>RTTY, just >>>> >>>>LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built >>>>into the >>>> >>>>K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using >>>>data >>>> >>>>mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the >>>>radio >>>> >>>>using Data mode for FT8. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the >>>>right >>>> >>>>settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as >>>>always. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>---------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>> >>>>Peter Dougherty >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>______________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>>Elecraft mailing list >>>> >>>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> >>>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> >>>>Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> >>>>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the radio in PTT mode. It’s using the same codec as it does when sending voice keying files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not switching into transmit.
What’s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s into AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what’s set up in the configurator. - pjd From: Barry <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Hmmmm. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your tones are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will turn your radio to transmit. So, if you were planning to use the CAT function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless of a correct set up for the PTT, or not. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > To: "Barry" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >; [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY. Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is working fine. Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s just RTTY (so far) that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will ever use that mode). I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set correctly. - pjd From: Barry <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >; [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the receive bandwidth. Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is developed and a level of comfort is built. I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > To: "Barry" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >; [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I’ll have screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off…provided I keep the K3! RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll be. I have little love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now! - pjd From: Barry <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >; [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Peter, For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending. I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be more straight forward. If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function before about noon EDT. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > To: "Barry" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >; [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it. Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are! - pjd From: Barry <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >; [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY Peter, I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! 73, Barry K3NDM . ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio using Data mode for FT8. Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right settings for everything, with only very limited success. 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Try one more thing. Go into menu and increase the VOX gain, but before
you do that turn up the mic gain; this is actually line in level at this point. I'm suspecting that you might be operating with too low a level going in to the radio or VOX gain is too low. I sure hope this is the fix, 'cuz I've run out of ideas at the moment. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] Sent: 3/20/2019 10:18:37 PM Subject: RE: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the >radio in PTT mode. It’s using the same codec as it does when sending >voice keying files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not >switching into transmit. > >What’s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s >into AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what’s set >up in the configurator. > > > >- pjd > > > >From: Barry <[hidden email]> >Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM >To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > > >Hmmmm. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your >tones are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing >your tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out >on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, >the VOX will turn your radio to transmit. So, if you were planning to >use the CAT function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit >regardless of a correct set up for the PTT, or not. > > > >73, > >Barry > >K3NDM > > > >------ Original Message ------ > >From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> > >To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] > >Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM > >Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY. > > > >>Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, >>mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct >>mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, >>so RX is working fine. >> >>Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, >>CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s >>just RTTY (so far) that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine >>(not that I will ever use that mode). >> >>I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I >>went through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be >>set correctly. >> >>- pjd >> >> >> >>From: Barry <[hidden email]> >>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM >>To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >>I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the >>level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital >>mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice >>DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to >>narrow down the receive bandwidth. >> >> >> >>Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham >>Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just >>using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is >>developed and a level of comfort is built. >> >> >> >>I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get >>serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest >>compared to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, >>tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 >>for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC. >> >> >> >>73, >> >>Barry >> >>K3NDM >> >> >> >>------ Original Message ------ >> >>From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >> >>To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >> >>Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM >> >>Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >>>I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it >>>definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of >>>software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the >>>MK-II. I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I >>>documented everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could >>>rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which >>>dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled >>>I’ll have screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be >>>a one-off…provided I keep the K3! >>> >>>RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and >>>the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll >>>be. I have little love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now! >>> >>> >>>- pjd >>> >>> >>> >>>From: Barry <[hidden email]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM >>>To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>>Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>>Peter, >>> >>> For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is >>>whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the >>>same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with >>>N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of >>>the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are >>>using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a >>>matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, >>>the USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much >>>twisting the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no >>>sleep over this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one >>>thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones >>>turn your transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished >>>sending. >>> >>> >>> >>> I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but >>>you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and >>>then they must all play together. I really suggest not using >>>Winwarbler if I am correct; it will add an additional level of >>>complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W >>>application. The setup should be more straight forward. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really >>>shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. >>>Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't >>>function before about noon EDT. >>> >>> >>> >>>73, >>> >>>Barry >>> >>>K3NDM >>> >>> >>> >>>------ Original Message ------ >>> >>>From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >>> >>>To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>> >>>Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM >>> >>>Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>>>Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to >>>>get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I >>>>mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t >>>>(and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do >>>>unless there is no way around it. >>>> >>>>When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY >>>>filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) >>>>and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have >>>>something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the >>>>twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY >>>>mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it. >>>> >>>>Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s >>>>compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 >>>>nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m >>>>almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW >>>>via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone >>>>just won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that >>>>it isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>- pjd >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>From: Barry <[hidden email]> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM >>>>To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>>>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Peter, >>>> >>>> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when >>>>using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use >>>>the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. >>>>The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using >>>>the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer >>>>FLDIGI just because. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage >>>>over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data >>>>mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed >>>>the output of some digital software into the radio and use any >>>>available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and >>>>compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would >>>>estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of >>>>trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using >>>>the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio >>>>in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and >>>>speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for >>>>control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic >>>>control on the front of the radio to set the level for the >>>>transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The >>>>power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This >>>>should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is >>>>set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>73, >>>> >>>>Barry >>>> >>>>K3NDM >>>> >>>>. >>>> >>>>------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>>From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >>>> >>>>To: [hidden email] >>>> >>>>Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM >>>> >>>>Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I >>>>>should set >>>>> >>>>>my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler >>>>>exclusively (I >>>>> >>>>>don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). >>>>>I have >>>>> >>>>>the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I >>>>>had a >>>>> >>>>>MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt >>>>>I'll be >>>>> >>>>>doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just >>>>>in case. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for >>>>>RTTY, just >>>>> >>>>>LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built >>>>>into the >>>>> >>>>>K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only >>>>>using data >>>>> >>>>>mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the >>>>>radio >>>>> >>>>>using Data mode for FT8. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the >>>>>right >>>>> >>>>>settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as >>>>>always. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>---------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Regards, >>>>> >>>>>Peter Dougherty >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>______________________________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>Elecraft mailing list >>>>> >>>>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> >>>>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> >>>>>Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> >>>>>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I suggest getting each basic application running correct before moving to the next application. When each will run correct then and only bring in the integration application.
CAT control should not need the VOX activated. Using VOX is just another audio level and delay that has to be correctly adjusted. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Try one more thing. Go into menu and increase the VOX gain, but before you do that turn up the mic gain; this is actually line in level at this point. I'm suspecting that you might be operating with too low a level going in to the radio or VOX gain is too low. I sure hope this is the fix, 'cuz I've run out of ideas at the moment. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> > To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] > Sent: 3/20/2019 10:18:37 PM > Subject: RE: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > >> VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the radio in PTT mode. It’s using the same codec as it does when sending voice keying files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not switching into transmit. >> >> What’s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s into AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what’s set up in the configurator. >> >> >> >> - pjd >> >> >> >> From: Barry <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM >> To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >> Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >> Hmmmm. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your tones are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will turn your radio to transmit. So, if you were planning to use the CAT function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless of a correct set up for the PTT, or not. >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Barry >> >> K3NDM >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> >> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >> >> To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >> >> Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM >> >> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY. >> >> >> >>> Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is working fine. >>> >>> Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s just RTTY (so far) that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will ever use that mode). >>> >>> I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set correctly. >>> >>> - pjd >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Barry <[hidden email]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM >>> To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>> Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the receive bandwidth. >>> >>> >>> >>> Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is developed and a level of comfort is built. >>> >>> >>> >>> I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC. >>> >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> K3NDM >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >>> >>> To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>> >>> Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM >>> >>> Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>>> I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I’ll have screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off…provided I keep the K3! >>>> >>>> RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll be. I have little love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now! >>>> >>>> >>>> - pjd >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Barry <[hidden email]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM >>>> To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>>> Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Peter, >>>> >>>> For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be more straight forward. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function before about noon EDT. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Barry >>>> >>>> K3NDM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >>>> >>>> To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>>> >>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. >>>>> >>>>> When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it. >>>>> >>>>> Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - pjd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Barry <[hidden email]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM >>>>> To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter, >>>>> >>>>> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Barry >>>>> >>>>> K3NDM >>>>> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >>>>> >>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>> >>>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I should set >>>>>> >>>>>> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler exclusively (I >>>>>> >>>>>> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with N1MM). I have >>>>>> >>>>>> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I had a >>>>>> >>>>>> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt I'll be >>>>>> >>>>>> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for RTTY, just >>>>>> >>>>>> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode built into the >>>>>> >>>>>> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only using data >>>>>> >>>>>> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have the radio >>>>>> >>>>>> using Data mode for FT8. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find the right >>>>>> >>>>>> settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter Dougherty >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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My understanding is that WinWarbler relies on Commander, so you need both of those up together. I have tried this approach too, without success.
With Barry's help earlier tonight I managed to get the K3s working in AFSK-A mode and successfully able to send and receive conventional 45 Baud RTTY through FLDIGI and N1MM Logger Plus, so we can positively rule out audio issues or transceiver issues, menu setup, etc. So "progress" maybe? - pjd -----Original Message----- From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:17 PM To: Barry <[hidden email]> Cc: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY I suggest getting each basic application running correct before moving to the next application. When each will run correct then and only bring in the integration application. CAT control should not need the VOX activated. Using VOX is just another audio level and delay that has to be correctly adjusted. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Try one more thing. Go into menu and increase the VOX gain, but before you do that turn up the mic gain; this is actually line in level at this point. I'm suspecting that you might be operating with too low a level going in to the radio or VOX gain is too low. I sure hope this is the fix, 'cuz I've run out of ideas at the moment. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> > To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] > Sent: 3/20/2019 10:18:37 PM > Subject: RE: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > >> VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the radio in PTT mode. It’s using the same codec as it does when sending voice keying files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not switching into transmit. >> >> What’s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s into AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what’s set up in the configurator. >> >> >> >> - pjd >> >> >> >> From: Barry <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM >> To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >> Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >> >> >> Hmmmm. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your tones are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will turn your radio to transmit. So, if you were planning to use the CAT function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless of a correct set up for the PTT, or not. >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Barry >> >> K3NDM >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> >> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >> >> To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >> >> Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM >> >> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY. >> >> >> >>> Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is working fine. >>> >>> Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s just RTTY (so far) that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will ever use that mode). >>> >>> I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set correctly. >>> >>> - pjd >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Barry <[hidden email]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM >>> To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>> Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the receive bandwidth. >>> >>> >>> >>> Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is developed and a level of comfort is built. >>> >>> >>> >>> I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC. >>> >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> K3NDM >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >>> >>> To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>> >>> Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM >>> >>> Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>>> I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I’ll have screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off…provided I keep the K3! >>>> >>>> RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll be. I have little love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now! >>>> >>>> >>>> - pjd >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Barry <[hidden email]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM >>>> To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>>> Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Peter, >>>> >>>> For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be more straight forward. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function before about noon EDT. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Barry >>>> >>>> K3NDM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >>>> >>>> To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>>> >>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. >>>>> >>>>> When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it. >>>>> >>>>> Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - pjd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Barry <[hidden email]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM >>>>> To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter, >>>>> >>>>> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would >>>>> estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Barry >>>>> >>>>> K3NDM >>>>> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >>>>> >>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>> >>>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I >>>>>> should set >>>>>> >>>>>> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler >>>>>> exclusively (I >>>>>> >>>>>> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with >>>>>> N1MM). I have >>>>>> >>>>>> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I >>>>>> had a >>>>>> >>>>>> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt >>>>>> I'll be >>>>>> >>>>>> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for >>>>>> RTTY, just >>>>>> >>>>>> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode >>>>>> built into the >>>>>> >>>>>> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only >>>>>> using data >>>>>> >>>>>> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have >>>>>> the radio >>>>>> >>>>>> using Data mode for FT8. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find >>>>>> the right >>>>>> >>>>>> settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter Dougherty >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>> >>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Please help support this email list: >>>>>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Lovin' my K3S (S/N 10023)
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I am still planning on stopping by after work around 3:30 unless I can get out earlier. I’m sure a second set of eyes will help. Dave Sent from my iPad > On Mar 21, 2019, at 1:25 AM, Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]> wrote: > > My understanding is that WinWarbler relies on Commander, so you need both of those up together. I have tried this approach too, without success. > > With Barry's help earlier tonight I managed to get the K3s working in AFSK-A mode and successfully able to send and receive conventional 45 Baud RTTY through FLDIGI and N1MM Logger Plus, so we can positively rule out audio issues or transceiver issues, menu setup, etc. So "progress" maybe? > > - pjd > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:17 PM > To: Barry <[hidden email]> > Cc: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY > > I suggest getting each basic application running correct before moving to the next application. When each will run correct then and only bring in the integration application. > > CAT control should not need the VOX activated. Using VOX is just another audio level and delay that has to be correctly adjusted. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 20, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Try one more thing. Go into menu and increase the VOX gain, but before you do that turn up the mic gain; this is actually line in level at this point. I'm suspecting that you might be operating with too low a level going in to the radio or VOX gain is too low. I sure hope this is the fix, 'cuz I've run out of ideas at the moment. >> >> 73, >> Barry >> K3NDM >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >> To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >> Sent: 3/20/2019 10:18:37 PM >> Subject: RE: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >> >>> VOX is engaged, the correct codec is selected, but nothing puts the radio in PTT mode. It’s using the same codec as it does when sending voice keying files, which transmit just fine. The radio is not switching into transmit. >>> >>> What’s even more worrisome is how WinWarbler is not putting the K3s into AFSK-A mode. It is forcing it into LSB, regardless of what’s set up in the configurator. >>> >>> >>> >>> - pjd >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Barry <[hidden email]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 10:10 PM >>> To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>> Subject: Re[6]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>> >>> >>> >>> Hmmmm. Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind is that your tones are not getting to the radio. Check to see that you are directing your tones to the radio's built in sound card. You should be going out on USB CODEC SPEAKER. Next turn you VOX on. If you are sending tones, the VOX will turn your radio to transmit. So, if you were planning to use the CAT function for PTT, this will allow you to transmit regardless of a correct set up for the PTT, or not. >>> >>> >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Barry >>> >>> K3NDM >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >>> >>> To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>> >>> Sent: 3/20/2019 7:08:53 PM >>> >>> Subject: RE: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Well a very, very small bit of progress. Using Commander’s main page, mode selection box, if I press RTTY then the K3s goes into the correct mode (AFSK-A, with the filters applied). I am able to decode cleanly, so RX is working fine. >>>> >>>> Still unable to go into transmit via DX Labs, however. As a reminder, CW and SSB macros both send find and TX/RX switching is good. It’s just RTTY (so far) that’s the problem. Even PSK-31 seems to be fine (not that I will ever use that mode). >>>> >>>> I think this is a config problem within WinWarbler at this point. I went through Fred’s awesome K3s/P3 manual and everything seems to be set correctly. >>>> >>>> - pjd >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Barry <[hidden email]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:26 AM >>>> To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>>> Subject: Re[4]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't know why setting up RTTY using AFSK and a K3s is yielding the level of problems it appears to be. It should be just another digital mode. The only difference should be is to set the radio to AFSK vice DATA A; Of course, you could just use DATA A, but you do want to narrow down the receive bandwidth. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Layering the software as I do with N1MM + FLDIGI or WSJT-X with Ham Radio Deluxe does add additional complexity, So, I would suggest just using a simple one layer of software until the familiarity for it is developed and a level of comfort is built. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I do like RTTY for contesting. FT8 is OK for DX, but when I get serious, less often these days, I use CW. My station is modest compared to many, just a K3s and some wire in the backyard; no amp, tower, rhombics, etc. I do have DXCC mixed, phone, CW, and am short 23 for digital and 21 on 80 for 5BDXCC. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Barry >>>> >>>> K3NDM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >>>> >>>> To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>>> >>>> Sent: 3/20/2019 1:53:27 AM >>>> >>>> Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I’ve been using WinWarbler for RTTY for almost 10 years now, and it definitely works pretty well with the rest of Dave’s suite of software. Or at least it did with the original MK and later the MK-II. I still had some doozy problems setting it up even then. I documented everything back then so if I experienced a crash I could rebuild pretty quickly. But this is a wholesale change in which dozens of settings are now different. Again, once this is all settled I’ll have screenshot of each setting page so this will (hopefully) be a one-off…provided I keep the K3! >>>>> >>>>> RTTY is always the red-headed stepchild of radio setups for me, and the sooner it fades into oblivion as a digital mode the happier I’ll be. I have little love for FT8, but that’s where the DX is now! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - pjd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Barry <[hidden email]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 1:08 AM >>>>> To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>>>> Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter, >>>>> >>>>> For a simple uncomplicated set up, the software choice is whatever you are familiar with, but the GENERAL set up should be the same. I use FLDIGI for two reasons, I know it and it interfaces with N1MM for contesting. I doubt it works better or worse than most of the others. With software there are no interfaces needed if you are using a K3s making set up easier. Like I said earlier, it's just a matter of letting your software know what sound card you are using, the USB CODEC, and the com port of the radio. The rest is pretty much twisting the knobs on the radio to set levels. You should loose no sleep over this; it's make you tired and mistake prone. Only one thing I forgot to tell you and that is turn your VOX on so the tones turn your transmitter on automatically and off when you're finished sending. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just looked up Winwarbler. It says it can be used for RTTY, but you need either a multimode modem or some additional software and then they must all play together. I really suggest not using Winwarbler if I am correct; it will add an additional level of complexity. Use FLDIGI. MixW, MultiPSK, or another complete S/W application. The setup should be more straight forward. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you want, I can talk you through it via LL phone. It really shouldn't take more than about 30-45 minutes to make it all play. Contact me directly and I'll give you my phone number. But, I don't function before about noon EDT. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 73, >>>>> >>>>> Barry >>>>> >>>>> K3NDM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >>>>> >>>>> To: "Barry" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>>>> >>>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 9:56:10 PM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Before I start messing with FLDigi, I would really rather prefer to get it working with the native DX Lab Suite first, and why I mentioned it in my initial post. Adding more software that I don’t (and will never) understand is the very last thing I want to do unless there is no way around it. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I used FSK with the MicroKeyer it was dead simple, RTTY filtering came up as a default in the radio (twin peak filtering) and it worked with almost no configuration. I would like to have something similar using AFSK and USB connectivity—specifically the twin-peak brick-wall filtering. Right now, just switching in to RTTY mode in WinWarbler just puts the radio into LSB mode and that’s it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Like I said, I really need to get this working with WW if it’s compatible. I’ve had maybe 3 hours of sleep per night for the last 3 nights playing with this radio, N1MM, and DX Lab Suite, and I’m almost no further ahead than I was 3 nights ago. All I have is CW via WinWarbler and full manual control. CW sending and /RTTY tone just won’t work for me so far. Everybody was saying last year that it isn’t that hard to do….yet here we are! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - pjd >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Barry <[hidden email]> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 9:24 PM >>>>>> To: Peter Dougherty <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not that familiar with Winwarbler, but I do run AFSK when using RTTY. You could use DATA A on the K3s or AFSK. I prefer to use the AFSK mode as it appear to work better than just using DATA A. The set up should be about the same as you are using for FT8 using the radio's built in sound card for the software you use; I prefer FLDIGI just because. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The K3s does do FSK, but I'm not sure there is a real advantage over running in the AFSK mode with some digital software. The data mode as you call it is DATA A on the radio. It means you can feed the output of some digital software into the radio and use any available bandwidth. It also turns off the equalizers and compressor. AFSK has a filter for each tone. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure why you have had some much difficulty as I would >>>>>> estimate it shouldn't take more than one day. ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As you have a K3s, the set up really shouldn't be a lot of trouble. Start by downloading FLDIGI and connecting the radio using the USB connector. This allows both control of the radio and audio in and out. Set the sound card in FLDIGI to USB CODEC line in and speaker out. The radio will reflect a com port that will be used for control, use it at 38,400 8N2. Now you're set to go. Use the mic control on the front of the radio to set the level for the transmitter such that ALC will show 4 bars and a flickering 5th. The power level should be set with the knob that controls power. This should be how you set up for FT8 using WSJT-X. All you need to do is set op mode in FLDIGI and go. Have fun! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, >>>>>> >>>>>> Barry >>>>>> >>>>>> K3NDM >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Peter Dougherty" <[hidden email]> >>>>>> >>>>>> To: [hidden email] >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: 3/19/2019 8:59:17 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Sending AFSK RTTY >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I haven't sent AFSK RTTY in almost 18 years so I'm not sure how I >>>>>>> should set >>>>>>> >>>>>>> my K3s up for it. I will be using it with DX Labs WinWarbler >>>>>>> exclusively (I >>>>>>> >>>>>>> don't do RTTY contesting, so no need to get it working with >>>>>>> N1MM). I have >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the radio setup for USB communication exclusively. Before this I >>>>>>> had a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MicroKeyer-II and was sending FSK. Given the rise of FT8 I doubt >>>>>>> I'll be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> doing much RTTY anymore, but I still need to have it available just in case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Using WinWarbler, I don't see any option to use a data mode for >>>>>>> RTTY, just >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LSB (again, we're talking AFSK now). Isn't there a data mode >>>>>>> built into the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> K3s for RTTY? Or is that just for FSK? Or is it a case of only >>>>>>> using data >>>>>>> >>>>>>> mode for one (and only one) data format? At the moment, I have >>>>>>> the radio >>>>>>> >>>>>>> using Data mode for FT8. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry for the confusion-it's been three days of trying to find >>>>>>> the right >>>>>>> >>>>>>> settings for everything, with only very limited success. Thanks as always. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter Dougherty >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please help support this email list: >>>>>>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>>>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On 3/20/2019 10:25 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> My understanding is that WinWarbler relies on Commander, for frequency information. Mostly I use it WITHOUT Commander. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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