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Tim Herrick

Re: Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

Am I led to believe, then, that because you and Toby don't like the subject that it shouldn't be discussed. That sounds good. I
don't like SSB, no one should talk about it!

73,
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-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Chester Alderman
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:22 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

To All:

First, please keep in mind that this is our hobby. Being our hobby, you all know there are many aspects of it that, not all, but
some of us enjoy and there has been a small percentage of us, Toby, myself, and others that have enjoyed running CW speeds in excess
of 50 wpm. It should be quite obvious that as you get higher in CW speed the need for accuracy in sending code becomes more
important. And obviously very few hams can use a hand key and send correctly formed and correctly spaced Morse letters at speeds
exceeding about 40 wpm. Thus the vast majority of us use PC programs and keyboards for talking with each other using CW. When
operating at higher speeds in the non-QRQ mode, the K3 starts sending choppy characters above about 35 wpm. In the QRQ mode, as Toby
stated, the K3 loses some useful functions such as RIT, XIT, split, etc., however it will produce (on my K3) correctly formed CW
characters up to about 94 wpm.

This subject has been discussed on this reflector for the past 3 years and the Elecraft response has been 'we are working on it'.
However those of us who would love to have the QRQ capability without the loss of any useful functions, now pretty much understand
that it is not going to happen, thus Toby's and my conclusion that it is not a worthwhile subject for discussion any longer.

73,
Tom - W4BQF

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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 11:35 AM
To: Stephen Prior
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

Hopefully I will find some time to do more experiments this afternoon (maybe not, it will be a sunny day) but sending at 30 wpm is
always error prone for me and it takes more effort that is not that comfortable. I too am best in the 20 to 25 zone. I think my
error rate goes up substantially above about
28 wpm and also when the speed is dropped below about 16 wpm. Going slower also throws my timing way off.

I use a Begali Magnetic Classic paddle and I love it. I have a Bencher for the pickup truck mobile and portable ops with KX3.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Stephen Prior <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I just tried sending a string of V's at 30 wpm. Normally my maximum
> comfortable sending level is between 20 and 25wpm, so this is
> certainly out of my comfort zone. I am using a Begali Expedition and
iambic mode B.

> With QRQ off I was about 75% accurate in my sending of strings of V's,
> with QRQ on, it was nearer 90%. I'm just listening to the sidetone.
> That was with the delay set to zero.
>
> With the delay at 0.06 I cannot see any difference between accuracy of
> sending with QRQ on or off, again at the 30wpm level.
>
> I must concur with previous comments that I have found the K3 to be a
> wonderful rig to use on CW, but I'm no racer, and never will be!
>
> 73 Stephen G4SJP
>
> K3 #980
>
>
>
>
> On 13 April 2014 15:34, Phil Hystad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Which brings another question --- just when should the QRQ be
>> enabled. I have sent at 30 wpm and that is about the limit of my
>> sending speed and all mistakes are my fault -- but I have never
>> noticed anything choppy or unusual and I have never invoked QRQ.
>> Reason for not invoking QRQ is that I didn't think I needed it and I
>> thought QRQ was meant for something faster than 30 wpm.
>>
>> Question: is this something you hear on the side-tone monitor? Is
>> it the same as sent?
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:03 AM, Toby Pennington <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Fred, I was the one who first started this thread. I think perhaps it
>> may be not affecting that many people, as there was not much support
>> on here about the QRQ deficiencies. I have been running QRQ at
>> around 30

wpm,

>> because IF I don't, I will notice some choppiness in the sent CW. If
>> you operate the rig at speeds greater than 30wpm, then you will
>> notice the choppiness in the cw that is being sent. ( without the QRQ
>> turned on..) When QRQ is ENGAGED, you lose the use of the RIT,
>> Shift, Hi cut and Lo Cut.
>>>
>>> It appears as though nothing has been done to improve on this
>>> situation
>> by Elecraft, as they would would have chimed in with a comment about
>> the QRQ issue. I believe it is their intention to leave the feature
>> as it is and not address anything more concerning it.
>>>
>>> So, this will be my last post about an issue which I think needs to
>>> be
>> worked on further.
>>>
>>> I wish all a Blessed Easter and Passover this coming week! Toby

K4NH

>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/13/2014 2:46 AM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO wrote:
>>>> Fred,
>>>>
>>>> I am sorry if you took my remarks personally. I didn't intend to be
>> 'correct' at anyone's expense. But this is a real issue.
>>>>
>>>> You said "the odds that you'd ever encounter and notice its effects
>>>> are
>> vanishingly small unless you are a 60+ WPM full QSK operator." That
>> is simply not the case: the problem starts showing up around 35 wpm,
>> in either full or semi-QSK.
>>>>
>>>> The only ways to mitigate it are to use QRQ mode or to use manual
>>>> PTT
>> rather than any form of QSK.
>>>>
>>>> If the fellow who started the thread never operates CW over 30 wpm,
>>>> or
>> if he gets used to the limitations of QRQ mode (as I have) or if he
>> uses a foot switch, then, yes, he will not notice the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/12/2014 8:39 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would normally top-post but hard in this case ...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/12/2014 7:48 PM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO wrote:
>>>>>> I don't agree. With ORQ off, once you exceed about 35 wpm it is
>>>>>> not
>> OK
>>>>>> with TX DELAY at 8 ms either. I'm not a perfectionist, it sounds
>> awful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure what you don't agree with. I said I almost never send
>>>>> above 35, and that's N1MM. I rarely paddle above 25, hand
>>>>> dexterity issues caused by a poor choice of Dad. [for those who
>>>>> don't get that, I loved my Dad, he was really good to me, he was

Danish, and it's genetic.

>>>>> Geesh, you never know these days!]
>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian is correct that it doesn't matter whether you are using the
>>>>>> internal keyer or an external paddle or keyboard, as long as you
>>>>>> are using either semi- or full QSK.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I didn't say that, I'm sorry, I know that. I run full QSK all
>>>>> the time, with KPA500, N1MM-Winkey or my paddles. And yes, Brian
>>>>> is
>> correct
>>>>> [well, I think, I haven't actually tried it, and I'm not at all
>>>>> sure I know what TX DLY is], but that's not the list item I was

responding to.
>>>>> Somehow, being "correct," even if it doesn't respond the the
>>>>> original question has become the current badge. Probably not a
>>>>> good
trend.

>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred, I'm willing to bet that you have your WinKey USB set up to
>> control
>>>>>> the PTT -- or maybe you have a foot switch. You are not using
>>>>>> either semi-QSK or full QSK. That is why you don't have the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> How much are you willing to bet? :-))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try this: make sure you are using either full or semi-QSK. Turn
>>>>>> on
>> QRQ
>>>>>> mode and send some V's at about 40 wpm. It should sound fine.
>>>>>> Then
>> hit
>>>>>> RIT and send a few more. You'll see.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vic, I can't send V's at 40 WPM with my paddle any more, too many
>>>>> accumulated birthdays, could when younger.
>>>>>
>>>>> So FOTL ["Folks Of The List"] ... how about we get back to basics.
>>>>> I was responding to David Cole, who has been moderately active on
>>>>> this list recently trying to figure out how to buy a K3 and what
>>>>> he wants with it. I don't know David, but his questions all
>>>>> smacked of sincerity. I think David is more concerned than he
>>>>> needs to be about the K3 he's ordered, probably 99% of us know
>>>>> he's going to love it. He gets concerned about some of the
>>>>> peripheral threads on this list, all welcome, but we're a diverse
>>>>> group and not everything that someone is concerned about is our

concern.
>>>>>
>>>>> Learning how to sort that out takes time and experience, and if
>>>>> we're lucky, some advice. David wants a K3, he's done his
>>>>> research, but he's still sensitive to peripheral posts on the list
>>>>> that suggest he may
>> have
>>>>> made a wrong decision. How about we all have a little compassion
>>>>> for David and all the others like him. This is a hard list to
>>>>> follow, especially if you might not be hugely technically
knowledgeable.

>>>>>
>>>>> David, you will really enjoy your K3. Just use it out of the box
>>>>> for awhile and get to know it. You'll be able to figure out the
>>>>> rest, and you'll always have help here.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred K6DGW
>>>>> - Northern California Contest Club
>>>>> - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
>>>>> - www.cqp.org
>>>>
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Richard-3

Re: Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

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OK, so I'm a 15-20 wpm operator on good days.... How do other popular
radios do at 35-90 wpm? Is this unique to the K3 (and KX3)? Just
curious and hoping to learn a bit.

Rich NU6T
K1, K3, KX3

On 4/13/2014 9:01 AM, W5UXH wrote:

> I will preface this with the comment that I did not order my K3 until Wayne
> did the "QRQ mode" firmware work because I operate a lot of QRQ (the
> definition of this varies of course, for me it is 60+ WPM full QSK).
>
> I believe the speed at which someone starts to hear the inconsistency in the
> K3 Keying in non-QRQ mode is a function of the individual, and also whether
> one is listening in a speaker or headphones.
>
> For me, I just barely start to notice it at 40 wpm with headphones. At 45
> wpm it is intolerable. At 60 wpm it is unintelligible. For those who
> notice it at 30 wpm, my hat is off to your ears capability to detect timing
> variations
>
> I know a few years ago when testing with others, some thought it was fine at
> 45 wpm.
>
> I have no use for RIT or SPLIT, so I am one of the minority who is quite
> happy to stay in QRQ mode 100% of the time. The only time I press RIT is to
> demonstrate the QRQ keying to others in non-QRQ mode. I would like to have
> passband SHIFT available, but my guess is that Wayne would find it very
> difficult to remove the limitations in QRQ mode, and the target market for
> speeds above 40 wpm is extremely tiny. I had not been aware that anyone
> could notice a difference at 30 wpm. I have what I think are pretty picky
> ears so that is interesting to learn.
>
> Chuck, W5UXH
>
>
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NK7Z

Re: Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

I know that if I try full breakin with the Pro3, I get the first
character chopped a bit...

Which brings up my solution to all of this for the Pro3...

I do not run breakin. I set the delay for T/R switching to about .5
seconds. That keeps the transmitter keyed all the time I am sending...
Will I see the distorted CW problem using that mode with the K3?

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On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 09:58 -0700, Rich wrote:

> OK, so I'm a 15-20 wpm operator on good days.... How do other popular
> radios do at 35-90 wpm? Is this unique to the K3 (and KX3)? Just
> curious and hoping to learn a bit.
>
> Rich NU6T
> K1, K3, KX3
>
> On 4/13/2014 9:01 AM, W5UXH wrote:
> > I will preface this with the comment that I did not order my K3 until Wayne
> > did the "QRQ mode" firmware work because I operate a lot of QRQ (the
> > definition of this varies of course, for me it is 60+ WPM full QSK).
> >
> > I believe the speed at which someone starts to hear the inconsistency in the
> > K3 Keying in non-QRQ mode is a function of the individual, and also whether
> > one is listening in a speaker or headphones.
> >
> > For me, I just barely start to notice it at 40 wpm with headphones. At 45
> > wpm it is intolerable. At 60 wpm it is unintelligible. For those who
> > notice it at 30 wpm, my hat is off to your ears capability to detect timing
> > variations
> >
> > I know a few years ago when testing with others, some thought it was fine at
> > 45 wpm.
> >
> > I have no use for RIT or SPLIT, so I am one of the minority who is quite
> > happy to stay in QRQ mode 100% of the time. The only time I press RIT is to
> > demonstrate the QRQ keying to others in non-QRQ mode. I would like to have
> > passband SHIFT available, but my guess is that Wayne would find it very
> > difficult to remove the limitations in QRQ mode, and the target market for
> > speeds above 40 wpm is extremely tiny. I had not been aware that anyone
> > could notice a difference at 30 wpm. I have what I think are pretty picky
> > ears so that is interesting to learn.
> >
> > Chuck, W5UXH
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

Dave,

I have no problems running full breakin at my comfortable speed of 20 to 22 wpm. During a contest I will push the speed up a bit but still have no problems.

I much prefer full breakin though because during some pileups and even during some of the CW nets that I participate -- not hearing the other signals really affects things for me I think.

73, phil, K7PEH

P.S.

I know there are guys who can copy 60 wpm and greater but it is a true mystery to me. I think my absolute limit for copying call signs might be 40 wpm but then I have to hear the call sign several times. Usually picking up the suffix and then going back to get the prefix. Works well in a contest since calls are repeated a lot. I think I can do a simple contest exchange at 40 but only because I know what the other guy is sending before he sends it (or, almost).

A friend of mine was some kind of CW record holder in the army 40 years ago. He was down in Panama or something like that running encrypted messages at extremely fast speeds at 3-digit wpm. He is not a ham though.

On Apr 13, 2014, at 10:08 AM, David Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I know that if I try full breakin with the Pro3, I get the first
> character chopped a bit...
>
> Which brings up my solution to all of this for the Pro3...
>
> I do not run breakin. I set the delay for T/R switching to about .5
> seconds. That keeps the transmitter keyed all the time I am sending...
> Will I see the distorted CW problem using that mode with the K3?
>
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
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> www.nk7z.net
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
>
>
> On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 09:58 -0700, Rich wrote:
>> OK, so I'm a 15-20 wpm operator on good days.... How do other popular
>> radios do at 35-90 wpm? Is this unique to the K3 (and KX3)? Just
>> curious and hoping to learn a bit.
>>
>> Rich NU6T
>> K1, K3, KX3
>>
>> On 4/13/2014 9:01 AM, W5UXH wrote:
>>> I will preface this with the comment that I did not order my K3 until Wayne
>>> did the "QRQ mode" firmware work because I operate a lot of QRQ (the
>>> definition of this varies of course, for me it is 60+ WPM full QSK).
>>>
>>> I believe the speed at which someone starts to hear the inconsistency in the
>>> K3 Keying in non-QRQ mode is a function of the individual, and also whether
>>> one is listening in a speaker or headphones.
>>>
>>> For me, I just barely start to notice it at 40 wpm with headphones. At 45
>>> wpm it is intolerable. At 60 wpm it is unintelligible. For those who
>>> notice it at 30 wpm, my hat is off to your ears capability to detect timing
>>> variations
>>>
>>> I know a few years ago when testing with others, some thought it was fine at
>>> 45 wpm.
>>>
>>> I have no use for RIT or SPLIT, so I am one of the minority who is quite
>>> happy to stay in QRQ mode 100% of the time. The only time I press RIT is to
>>> demonstrate the QRQ keying to others in non-QRQ mode. I would like to have
>>> passband SHIFT available, but my guess is that Wayne would find it very
>>> difficult to remove the limitations in QRQ mode, and the target market for
>>> speeds above 40 wpm is extremely tiny. I had not been aware that anyone
>>> could notice a difference at 30 wpm. I have what I think are pretty picky
>>> ears so that is interesting to learn.
>>>
>>> Chuck, W5UXH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

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David,

I believe the QRQ mode is to fix an apparent change in weighting (or
some other timing consideration) of the dots and dashes as the speed is
increased.
It has nothing to do with the T/R switching, and you should find that to
follow the keying quite nicely at whatever speed you are sending. When
you get the K3, give it a try in VOX mode and then draw your own
conclusions.

Yes, you can run with PTT in CW if you prefer.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/13/2014 1:08 PM, David Cole wrote:
> I know that if I try full breakin with the Pro3, I get the first
> character chopped a bit...
>
> Which brings up my solution to all of this for the Pro3...
>
> I do not run breakin. I set the delay for T/R switching to about .5
> seconds. That keeps the transmitter keyed all the time I am sending...
> Will I see the distorted CW problem using that mode with the K3?
>

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Re: Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

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It's a total non-issue to me. I just wish the discussion was a tiny bit
more civil.

73 -- Lynn

On 4/13/2014 9:48 AM, KQ8M wrote:
> Am I led to believe, then, that because you and Toby don't like the subject that it shouldn't be discussed.

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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

Or given Wayne's "We intend to improve this in a
future firmware release." message of this morning,
maybe the discussion will just end.

73, Phil W7OX

On 4/13/14, 11:17 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> It's a total non-issue to me. I just wish the
> discussion was a tiny bit more civil.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 4/13/2014 9:48 AM, KQ8M wrote:
>> Am I led to believe, then, that because you and
>> Toby don't like the subject that it shouldn't
>> be discussed.

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Re: Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

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Thanks you Wayne for your post indicating that it is still on the list
for improvement!

Toby K4NH

On 4/13/2014 12:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> We intend to improve this in a future firmware release.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Deni F5VJC

Re: Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

Really... how many of us can, or wish to, send CW over 30 WPM?

73, F5VJC

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>> We intend to improve this in a future firmware release.
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Stephen Bloom

Re: Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

Pretty much anyone who contests or chases DX regularly on CW. The K3 is
quite popular with us. It really did a number on one of the W1AW/8 ops as I
recall.

73
Steve KL7SB

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

Really... how many of us can, or wish to, send CW over 30 WPM?

73, F5VJC

On 13 April 2014 20:38, Toby Pennington <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> Toby K4NH
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>> We intend to improve this in a future firmware release.
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>> Wayne
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W7CS

Re: Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

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With all this complaining and extolling the virtues of both the K3
and the 756P &7600 series I would like to say that I'm "downsizing"
to only K3s. One for HF and one used for EME and as a transverter IF.

So I have to offer: A 756PI and a companion PW-1 to make a 1 KW+,
160 - 6M, transceiver. Either are available separately. The PW-1 is
SS and tracks modern ICOMs in frequency, and has the PS and auto ATU
built in. It will also work similarly with a K3 with the proper
interface circuit.

Chuck, W7CS
(520) 850-7730

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Chester Alderman

Re: Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

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During the early 70's through the late 90's, when I was doing QRQ, there
were only between 20 and 50 individuals running QSO's over 60 wpm and there
were about 10 of us running QSO's over 100 wpm. All sending by keyboard and
all receiving only by ear. Then there is the HSC in Germany who had a rather
large membership of QRQ operators.

QRQ is just another fun part of our hobby and is quite interesting if one
wants to put in the work to learn how to copy past about 50 wpm.

73,
Tom - W4BQF

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

Really... how many of us can, or wish to, send CW over 30 WPM?

73, F5VJC

On 13 April 2014 20:38, Toby Pennington <[hidden email]> wrote:

k6dgw

Re: Side Effects of QRQ On The K3

Indeed it is another fun part of the hobby. You're in my log 20 times,
18 CW 2 RTTY. I can assure you none of those Q's were beyond about 40,
that's where my hearing starts to fade.

I met Joe, who is now N8EA, at Keesler AFB in Biloxi MS in the very
early 60's. Joe could copy 50 fairly easily [OK really easily], which
was really amazing to me. I'd done close to a year at a coastal marine
station while I was a senior in HS, and I thought I was pretty good with
Morse. :-))

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

On 4/13/2014 7:54 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:
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> QRQ is just another fun part of our hobby and is quite interesting if one
> wants to put in the work to learn how to copy past about 50 wpm.
>
> 73,
> Tom - W4BQF

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