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Ken G Kopp

Signing "/QRP"

I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.

73

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k4vd

Re: Signing "/QRP"

I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
> respond.
>
> 73
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Chris Tate - N6WM

Re: Signing "/QRP"

I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the log.

If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way. Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.

~C./WM
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I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Dave Heil

Re: Signing "/QRP"

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During my operations from Africa, I had a number of folks send duplicate
QSLs stating that we'd not marked their QSLs with /QRP. My view was
that I couldn't certify that they were QRP as I wasn't in their shack.
Only they could do that. I didn't, however, object to any signing /QRP
although it likely lessens their chances in a pileup.

Dave K8MN

On 26-Jul-17 18:33, Ken G Kopp wrote:

> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.
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Nicklas Johnson

Re: Signing "/QRP"

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I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see how
many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would I care?

I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.

Nick

On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
> log.
>
> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>
> ~C./WM
> ________________________________________
> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]]
> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
> To: Ken G Kopp
> Cc: Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>
> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
> > respond.
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> > 73
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Clay Autery-2

Re: Signing "/QRP"

My sentiments exactly. Thank you!

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On 7/26/2017 2:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:

WB3AAL

Re: Signing "/QRP"

In reply to this post by Ken G Kopp

Hello,

I operate QRP 99% of the time.

I never sign /QRP. It takes skill while operating QRP, 5W CW or SSB, to snag
a QSO that is local in the U.S.A. or a DX station.

73
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
K2 & K1 owner

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I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.

73

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M0XDF

Re: Signing "/QRP"

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Nick, in the UK, /QRP is NOT a valid suffix, so we do hear quite a few ops using it (and I would respond to them), but you shouldn’t hear one of us using it.

73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
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> On 26 Jul 2017, at 20:27, Nicklas Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see how
> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
> stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
> certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would I care?
>
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
>
> Nick
>
> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>> log.
>>
>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>>
>> ~C./WM
>> ________________________________________
>> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]]
>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>> To: Ken G Kopp
>> Cc: Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>>
>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>>
>> 73,
>> Kev K4VD
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>> respond.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> K0PP
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Signing "/QRP"

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On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.

Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a
way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."

It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate
with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does
not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators
acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators
make a special effort "to work the weak station."

In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your
shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in
front of a bull.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:

> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see how
> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
> stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
> certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would I care?
>
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
>
> Nick
>
> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>> log.
>>
>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>>
>> ~C./WM
>> ________________________________________
>> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]]
>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>> To: Ken G Kopp
>> Cc: Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>>
>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>>
>> 73,
>> Kev K4VD
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>> respond.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> K0PP
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NK7Z

Re: Signing "/QRP"

My guess is that this is going to be yet another OFF TOPIC threads that
won't die.

73s and thanks,
Dave
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On 07/26/2017 12:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
> > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> > judgmental about someone signing /QRP.
>
> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a
> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>
> It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate
> with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does
> not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators
> acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators
> make a special effort "to work the weak station."
>
> In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your
> shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in
> front of a bull.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>> judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see how
>> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
>> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
>> stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
>> certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would I care?
>>
>> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or
>> critique
>> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>>> log.
>>>
>>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>>>
>>> ~C./WM
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: [hidden email]
>>> [[hidden email]]
>>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>>> To: Ken G Kopp
>>> Cc: Elecraft
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>>>
>>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Kev K4VD
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>>> respond.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>>
>>>> K0PP
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Dave Belville

Re: Signing "/QRP"

You're right Dave. When did this list become a court used to judge people?
If you don't want to answer someone signing/qrp, then don't! You are in
control and there is probably a big knob on your rig that you can turn. I
would ask the moderators to kill this thread. It is silly and childish.

Dave
KD9VT

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:

> My guess is that this is going to be yet another OFF TOPIC threads that
> won't die.
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 07/26/2017 12:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>> > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>> > judgmental about someone signing /QRP.
>>
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>>
>> It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate
>> with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does
>> not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators
>> acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators
>> make a special effort "to work the weak station."
>>
>> In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your
>> shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in
>> front of a bull.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>>> judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see how
>>> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
>>> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
>>> stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
>>> certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would I care?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or
>>> critique
>>> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>>>> log.
>>>>
>>>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>>>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>>>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>>>>
>>>> ~C./WM
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email].
>>>> net]
>>>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [[hidden email]]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>>>> To: Ken G Kopp
>>>> Cc: Elecraft
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>>>>
>>>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Kev K4VD
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>>>> respond.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>>
>>>>> K0PP
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k5wmg

Re: Signing "/QRP"

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I operated qrp exclusively for 25 years or so chasing DX and I also never
liked hearing the qrp tag on the end. To me, it was a way of trying to get
special treatment - sort of like cheating to me - and I never did it. The
thrill was in the chase and either finding someone down in the mud others
might be passing over and working them qrp or getting through pileups with
skill and not mega-power.

That said, it was fun when I worked a friend's station and got through the
pileup on the first or second call - at least for a while. Now I'm 1 watt
to 500 and I'm finally in a good place location-wise. Unfortunately, the
bands aren't so good, so I operate as conditions require.

Mike, k5wmg

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:

Nicklas Johnson

Re: Signing "/QRP"

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a
> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>
>
I think you are reading waaaaaay more into it than what is actually
there. Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a
pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to
transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz"
factoid about what they're doing. I'm unwilling to assume what someone
else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different
reasons why someone might do a thing. When I see a call sign coming across
from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their
indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're
(probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're
telling me about it.

For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making
assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I
absolutely do not have.

Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza. There's just as
much reason to get mad about that.

Nick
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Re: Signing "/QRP"

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Signing /QRP tells the other station at least two things: (1) your signal is weak because of power level, not propagation, so they don’t have to worry that you can’t copy them; and (2) you’re really excited to work them, even if they’re local :)

For many of us, it’s this enthusiasm and extra effort on both sides that makes QRP contacts enjoyable, at times even mystical. It’s a spontaneous team effort, like quantum entanglement.

Example: I had QSO on 15 meters with Rwanda (from Arizona) running 200 mW to an 8’ wire running directly to the back of a Safari 4. There is no question that *both* of us were ecstatic after he finally copied my callsign.

“/QRP” also often means “I built my own radio!” or “I’m reducing my carbon footprint!” (In my case, both.)

I greatly appreciate it when another station accepts the challenge and opportunity presented by QRP.

72,
Wayne
N6KR

> On Jul 26, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see how
> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
> stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
> certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would I care?
>
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
>
> Nick
>
> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>> log.
>>
>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>>
>> ~C./WM
>> ________________________________________
>> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]]
>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>> To: Ken G Kopp
>> Cc: Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>>
>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>>
>> 73,
>> Kev K4VD
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>> respond.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> K0PP
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Work 'em, Log 'em, move on ...

It's a hobby ...

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Jul 26, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Nicklas Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>>
>>
> I think you are reading waaaaaay more into it than what is actually
> there. Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a
> pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to
> transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz"
> factoid about what they're doing. I'm unwilling to assume what someone
> else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different
> reasons why someone might do a thing. When I see a call sign coming across
> from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their
> indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're
> (probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're
> telling me about it.
>
> For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making
> assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I
> absolutely do not have.
>
> Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza. There's just as
> much reason to get mad about that.
>
> Nick
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Re: Signing "/QRP"

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Mike,
Just as we all should. Regulations are such. Who really cares the power; it's the contact. I love <100 mw when it works. I usually don't bother with the suffix unless it is meaningful and I can claim it once contact is made and is solid.

73,
Bill
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...the bands aren't so good, so I operate as conditions require.

Mike, k5wmg

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Re: Signing "/QRP"

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I respectfully disagree. Why do you think people adding /QRP
want to be treated different or think that they're special? I don't
sense that at all.

It's just to let people know they're using low power. No big deal! It
doesn't bother me. Although I personally don't add anything after my
call on air.

73!

Tom - KB2SMS

KX2 #01927

On 07/26/2017 03:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>
>
> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a
> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>

NK7Z

Re: Signing "/QRP"

But what will the QRO guys that calls /QRP do if this is disallowed?

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 07/26/2017 04:04 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

> I know this OT string is getting long, but I looked this up in the current IARU “Ethics and Operating Procedures for the Radio Amateur”, the Region 2 edition. Some nincompoop generated a PDF that doesn’t allow copying the text, but my Safari browser ignores that bit, so I can quote it here. I’m not sure how much of the formatting will come through, but the rest of this message is copied from section II.9.16 of that document.
>
>
> • Never send your call as ‘ G3ZZZ/QRP’, this is illegal in many countries (e.g. Belgium). The QRP information is not part of your callsign, so it cannot be sent as a part of it. In many countries the only permitted call suffixes are /P, /A, /M, /MM and /AM..
>
> • If you are really a QRP station, chances are that you will be relatively weak with the station you are calling. Adding unnecessary ballast (the slash and the letters QRP) to your callsign will make it even more difficult to decipher your callsign!
>
> • You can of course always mention during the QSO you a re a QRP station, e.g.: ‘...PWR 5W 5W ONLY...’.
>
> • If you call CQ as a QRP station and you want to announce that during your CQ, you can do it as follows: ‘ CQ CQ G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP A R’. Insert a little extra space between the call and ‘ QRP’ and do not send a slash ( DAH DIT DIT DAH DIT) between your call and ‘QRP’.
>
> • If you’re looking for QRP stations specifically, call CQ as follows: ‘ CQ QRP CQ QRP G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP STNS (stations) ONLY AR’.
>
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
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>
>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Tommy <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I respectfully disagree. Why do you think people adding /QRP want to be treated different or think that they're special? I don't sense that at all.
>>
>> It's just to let people know they're using low power. No big deal! It doesn't bother me. Although I personally don't add anything after my call on air.
>>
>> 73!
>>
>> Tom - KB2SMS
>>
>> KX2 #01927
>>
>>
>> On 07/26/2017 03:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a
>>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>
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Re: Signing "/QRP"

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Ultimately, what is the real purpose of signing /QRP ???

The only answer I can think of translates to "give me a break, I want
special treatment".

I've operated many times with a barefoot KX3 and now a KX2 and NEVER signed
/QRP, or even mentioned the power level unless the contact asked what I was
running.

There's so much more to talk about instead of the radio and Wx.

73, Charlie k3ICH

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

Hello,

I operate QRP 99% of the time.

I never sign /QRP. It takes skill while operating QRP, 5W CW or SSB, to snag
a QSO that is local in the U.S.A. or a DX station.

73
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
K2 & K1 owner

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I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.

73

K0PP
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Re: Signing "/QRP"

I recall my first contact after getting my KX3. It was on SSB. I did
not indicate my power level until well into the contact, and the other
operator said "I cannot believe you are running only 10 watts."

So much for the /QRP signing, you can make contacts, and that is what
counts.

It all depends on the attitude of the operator on the far end of the
QSO. There are several who will ignore any operator who signs /QRP, so
in general, I would discourage doing so.

OTOH, if you are looking for only other QRP stations, then by all means
use it.

For brevity of exchanges, I would discourage it in contests and
operations like Field Day - the added suffix will only interfere with
the receiving operator's 'rhythm".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2017 8:10 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> Ultimately, what is the real purpose of signing /QRP ???
>
> The only answer I can think of translates to "give me a break, I want
> special treatment".
>
> I've operated many times with a barefoot KX3 and now a KX2 and NEVER signed
> /QRP, or even mentioned the power level unless the contact asked what I was
> running.
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