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Jim Sheldon

Sound Cards

Anybody know if one of the USB sound card devices can co-exist without conflict along with a Sound Blaster Audigy internal card in a desktop running Win XP Pro?

I'd like to separate my digital modes sound card from the internal by plugging a USB type into one of the many USB ports on this thing if it's possible. That way I don't have to keep changing things around and messing up my home theater settings every time I want to run MMTTY or one of the PSK31 programs.

Thanks for any help,

Jim W0EB
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MontyS

Re: Sound Cards

I do this with Windows 7, and with Windows XP before, without problems. All controls are available in the Windows Sounds Control Panel.
Monty K2DLJ

On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Jim Sheldon wrote:

> Anybody know if one of the USB sound card devices can co-exist without conflict along with a Sound Blaster Audigy internal card in a desktop running Win XP Pro?
>
> I'd like to separate my digital modes sound card from the internal by plugging a USB type into one of the many USB ports on this thing if it's possible. That way I don't have to keep changing things around and messing up my home theater settings every time I want to run MMTTY or one of the PSK31 programs.
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Jim W0EB
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Ed Muns, W0YK

Re: Sound Cards

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That should be fine. Multiple soundcards usually co-exist properly and are listed in the applications so the desired one can be selected independently for that specific application.

Happy Holidays to all!

Ed - W0YK
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Anybody know if one of the USB sound card devices can co-exist without conflict along with a Sound Blaster Audigy internal card in a desktop running Win XP Pro?

I'd like to separate my digital modes sound card from the internal by plugging a USB type into one of the many USB ports on this thing if it's possible. That way I don't have to keep changing things around and messing up my home theater settings every time I want to run MMTTY or one of the PSK31 programs.

Thanks for any help,

Jim W0EB
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K5SM

Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

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I have a new laptop with W7/64bit and can't get my USB/Serial adapter to
work (with my K3). It all works fine on my XP (32bit) computers. Anyone
who can help?

73, Bob K5SM
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Re: Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

Bob, the Prolific converters do not work well with W7. I have been using W7
with my K3 for over a year with a PCIe card RS-232 port. It worked the first
time with no problems. Elecraf has quit selling the Prolific converter, but the
one they were selling two years ago was Prolific. I think that some are having
good results from the FTDI chip set converters which Elecraft is shipping now.
You will need the latest drivers which are available from the FTDI web site.
Surely Prolific will eventually get their act together and publish a driver
which will work with W7, maybe they have by now.
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ

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Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

I have a new laptop with W7/64bit and can't get my USB/Serial adapter to
work (with my K3). It all works fine on my XP (32bit) computers. Anyone
who can help?

73, Bob K5SM
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K5SM

Re: Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

Thanks to all who responded. Apparently my adapter is going to be
useless with my new computer.

73 and Merry Christmas

Bob K5SM
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Dick Dievendorff

Re: Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

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I use an older Prolific based KUSB with my Windows 7 64 bit system that I use to develop and test the various Elecraft Utilities. I got my drivers from the Prolific web site listed in K3 Utility Help, see Troubleshooting USB to serial adapters section.

Dick, K6KR

On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:57, WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Bob, the Prolific converters do not work well with W7. I have been using W7
> with my K3 for over a year with a PCIe card RS-232 port. It worked the first
> time with no problems. Elecraf has quit selling the Prolific converter, but the
> one they were selling two years ago was Prolific. I think that some are having
> good results from the FTDI chip set converters which Elecraft is shipping now.
> You will need the latest drivers which are available from the FTDI web site.
> Surely Prolific will eventually get their act together and publish a driver
> which will work with W7, maybe they have by now.
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
> K5EWJ
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robert Redmon <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 2:26:43 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>
> I have a new laptop with W7/64bit and can't get my USB/Serial adapter to
> work (with my K3). It all works fine on my XP (32bit) computers. Anyone
> who can help?
>
> 73, Bob K5SM
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Re: Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

Dick, I had no difficulty with the Elecraft supplied K3 utilities, but could
not control the K3 from N1MM and XMLog. These logging programs were complied
using Visual Basic and I was told that the Prolific driver and Visual Basic had
a register conflict. When I bought the PCIe RS-232 card it cured my problems
and I have not worried with it since. I got the latest Prolific drivers from
the web site a little over a year ago, but have not updated them since I quit
using the Elecraft supplied Prolific converter.
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ

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From: Dick Dievendorff <[hidden email]>
To: WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]>
Cc: Robert Redmon <[hidden email]>; "[hidden email]"
<[hidden email]>
Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 3:49:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

I use an older Prolific based KUSB with my Windows 7 64 bit system that I use to
develop and test the various Elecraft Utilities. I got my drivers from the
Prolific web site listed in K3 Utility Help, see Troubleshooting USB to serial
adapters section.

Dick, K6KR

On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:57, WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Bob, the Prolific converters do not work well with W7. I have been using W7
> with my K3 for over a year with a PCIe card RS-232 port. It worked the first
> time with no problems. Elecraf has quit selling the Prolific converter, but
>the
>
> one they were selling two years ago was Prolific. I think that some are having
>
> good results from the FTDI chip set converters which Elecraft is shipping now.
>
> You will need the latest drivers which are available from the FTDI web site.
> Surely Prolific will eventually get their act together and publish a driver
> which will work with W7, maybe they have by now.
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
> K5EWJ
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Robert Redmon <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 2:26:43 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>
> I have a new laptop with W7/64bit and can't get my USB/Serial adapter to
> work (with my K3). It all works fine on my XP (32bit) computers. Anyone
> who can help?
>
> 73, Bob K5SM
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Dick Dievendorff

Re: Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

I think I understand that issue. Sometimes the driver issues a data available signal but when you subsequently ask for the data, none is there. My view is that this boundary condition could have been handled a bit better by the MS VB common communications DLL, but my view doesn't help the poor guy using That DLL.

You make a good point, but I'm not sure Prolific is entirely at fault here.

Dick, K6KR

On Dec 25, 2010, at 14:15, WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Dick, I had no difficulty with the Elecraft supplied K3 utilities, but could not control the K3 from N1MM and XMLog. These logging programs were complied using Visual Basic and I was told that the Prolific driver and Visual Basic had a register conflict. When I bought the PCIe RS-232 card it cured my problems and I have not worried with it since. I got the latest Prolific drivers from the web site a little over a year ago, but have not updated them since I quit using the Elecraft supplied Prolific converter.
>
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
> K5EWJ
>
>
> From: Dick Dievendorff <[hidden email]>
> To: WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Robert Redmon <[hidden email]>; "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 3:49:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>
> I use an older Prolific based KUSB with my Windows 7 64 bit system that I use to develop and test the various Elecraft Utilities. I got my drivers from the Prolific web site listed in K3 Utility Help, see Troubleshooting USB to serial adapters section.
>
> Dick, K6KR
>
> On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:57, WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Bob, the Prolific converters do not work well with W7. I have been using W7
> > with my K3 for over a year with a PCIe card RS-232 port. It worked the first
> > time with no problems. Elecraf has quit selling the Prolific converter, but the
> > one they were selling two years ago was Prolific. I think that some are having
> > good results from the FTDI chip set converters which Elecraft is shipping now.
> > You will need the latest drivers which are available from the FTDI web site.
> > Surely Prolific will eventually get their act together and publish a driver
> > which will work with W7, maybe they have by now.
> > Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
> > K5EWJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Robert Redmon <[hidden email]>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 2:26:43 PM
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
> >
> > I have a new laptop with W7/64bit and can't get my USB/Serial adapter to
> > work (with my K3). It all works fine on my XP (32bit) computers. Anyone
> > who can help?
> >
> > 73, Bob K5SM
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Re: Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

True!, but in this conflict Microsoft is the big dog, Prolific is the tail,
Elecraft is the flea and I am probably not even a hair!
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ

________________________________
From: Dick Dievendorff <[hidden email]>
To: WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]>
Cc: Robert Redmon <[hidden email]>; "[hidden email]"
<[hidden email]>
Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 5:06:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

I think I understand that issue. Sometimes the driver issues a data available
signal but when you subsequently ask for the data, none is there. My view is
that this boundary condition could have been handled a bit better by the MS VB
common communications DLL, but my view doesn't help the poor guy using That
DLL.

You make a good point, but I'm not sure Prolific is entirely at fault here.

Dick, K6KR

On Dec 25, 2010, at 14:15, WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dick, I had no difficulty with the Elecraft supplied K3 utilities, but could
not control the K3 from N1MM and XMLog. These logging programs were complied
using Visual Basic and I was told that the Prolific driver and Visual Basic had
a register conflict. When I bought the PCIe RS-232 card it cured my problems
and I have not worried with it since. I got the latest Prolific drivers from
the web site a little over a year ago, but have not updated them since I quit
using the Elecraft supplied Prolific converter.
> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>K5EWJ
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: Dick Dievendorff <[hidden email]>

>To: WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]>
>Cc: Robert Redmon <[hidden email]>; "[hidden email]"
><[hidden email]>
>Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 3:49:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>
>I use an older Prolific based KUSB with my Windows 7 64 bit system that I use to
>develop and test the various Elecraft Utilities. I got my drivers from the
>Prolific web site listed in K3 Utility Help, see Troubleshooting USB to serial
>adapters section.
>
>
>Dick, K6KR
>
>On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:57, WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Bob, the Prolific converters do not work well with W7. I have been using W7
>> with my K3 for over a year with a PCIe card RS-232 port. It worked the first

>> time with no problems. Elecraf has quit selling the Prolific converter, but
>>the
>>
>> one they were selling two years ago was Prolific. I think that some are having
>>
>> good results from the FTDI chip set converters which Elecraft is shipping now.
>>
>> You will need the latest drivers which are available from the FTDI web site.

>> Surely Prolific will eventually get their act together and publish a driver
>> which will work with W7, maybe they have by now.
>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>> K5EWJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Robert Redmon <[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 2:26:43 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>>
>> I have a new laptop with W7/64bit and can't get my USB/Serial adapter to
>> work (with my K3). It all works fine on my XP (32bit) computers. Anyone
>> who can help?
>>
>> 73, Bob K5SM
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K5SM

Re: Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

In reply to this post by Dick Dievendorff

Dick,

I tried the driver on the Elecraft download page first. It loaded okay
and windows recognized the adapter when I connected it, but it could not
communicate with the K3 using the K3 Utility (latest release version). I
will download and try v1.30 of the prolific driver when their download
site is up and working properly again....It isn't right now.

Bob K5SM

On 12/25/2010 5:06 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:

> I think I understand that issue. Sometimes the driver issues a data
> available signal but when you subsequently ask for the data, none is
> there. My view is that this boundary condition could have been
> handled a bit better by the MS VB common communications DLL, but my
> view doesn't help the poor guy using That DLL.
>
> You make a good point, but I'm not sure Prolific is entirely at fault
> here.
>
> Dick, K6KR
>
> On Dec 25, 2010, at 14:15, WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>> Dick, I had no difficulty with the Elecraft supplied K3 utilities,
>> but could not control the K3 from N1MM and XMLog. These logging
>> programs were complied using Visual Basic and I was told that the
>> Prolific driver and Visual Basic had a register conflict. When I
>> bought the PCIe RS-232 card it cured my problems and I have not
>> worried with it since. I got the latest Prolific drivers from the
>> web site a little over a year ago, but have not updated them since I
>> quit using the Elecraft supplied Prolific converter.
>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>> K5EWJ
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Dick Dievendorff <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>> *To:* WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>> *Cc:* Robert Redmon <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>;
>> "[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>"
>> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>> *Sent:* Sat, December 25, 2010 3:49:16 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>>
>> I use an older Prolific based KUSB with my Windows 7 64 bit system
>> that I use to develop and test the various Elecraft Utilities. I got
>> my drivers from the Prolific web site listed in K3 Utility Help, see
>> Troubleshooting USB to serial adapters section.
>>
>> Dick, K6KR
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:57, WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>> > Bob, the Prolific converters do not work well with W7. I have been
>> using W7
>> > with my K3 for over a year with a PCIe card RS-232 port. It worked
>> the first
>> > time with no problems. Elecraf has quit selling the Prolific
>> converter, but the
>> > one they were selling two years ago was Prolific. I think that
>> some are having
>> > good results from the FTDI chip set converters which Elecraft is
>> shipping now.
>> > You will need the latest drivers which are available from the FTDI
>> web site.
>> > Surely Prolific will eventually get their act together and publish
>> a driver
>> > which will work with W7, maybe they have by now.
>> > Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>> > K5EWJ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Robert Redmon <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> > Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 2:26:43 PM
>> > Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>> >
>> > I have a new laptop with W7/64bit and can't get my USB/Serial
>> adapter to
>> > work (with my K3). It all works fine on my XP (32bit) computers.
>> Anyone
>> > who can help?
>> >
>> > 73, Bob K5SM
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George & Jan

Re: Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

In reply to this post by Dick Dievendorff

About mid-2010, when I went from an XP machine to a W7-64bit, I just plugged
in my Prolific USB to RS232 adaptor. W7 then loaded its drivers and off it
went in a matter of seconds.
My SignaLink (USB sound card) worked just as easily.
Both fully interfaced my K3 with the computer with no hassles.

George
AI4VZ

Dick
I use an older Prolific based KUSB with my Windows 7 64 bit system that I
use to develop and test the various Elecraft Utilities. I got my drivers
from the Prolific web site listed in K3 Utility Help, see Troubleshooting
USB to serial adapters section.

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Kok Chen

Re: Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

On Dec 25, 2010, at 3:45 PM, George & Jan wrote:

> My SignaLink (USB sound card) worked just as easily.

It is a completely different story with that one.

16 bit Audio is an integral part of the USB Class specifications.

The chip in the SignaLink (TI/Burr-Brown) is compliant with the USB specification, so it "just works" on Operating Systems that has implemented USB completely. However, you will still expect to need a driver to use 24 bit sound cards. Some sound cards get around this restriction by transferring 16 bits to the computer even though the internal codec is 20 bits or more (the early Griffin Technology iMic was like that).

Common USB classes include Mass Storage (e.g., hard drives, thumb drives, built-in memory in digital cameras), HID (mouse, keyboards), Imaging (still camera image capture), and Audio (sound cards and MIDI).

But Serial Drivers (or Virtual COM Port, as some call it) is not part of the USB specification. If your OS does not already come with the serial adapter manufacturer's driver pre-loaded, you will need to install the driver yourself.

Many people make the mistake of "upgrading" to a different OS without checking if drivers are available. If you depend on serial ports and high end sound cards, it is probably best not to upgrade (or buy a new computer that can only run the new stuff) until you know the drivers which you need are available.

73
Chen, W7AY

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Guy, K2AV

Re: Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

In reply to this post by K5SM

One of the things that Win 7 does a lot is to rearrange com ports.
This may NOT be your trouble, but it certainly happens enough, and is
NOT a driver problem, and can still happen and keep you from talking
to your K3.

After you plug in the USB cable for the USB/serial, bring up the
device manager (type device manager in the start menu search bar and
click on it in the list of candidate programs it generates). Click on
Ports (COM & LPT). Look for the com port THAT WAS ASSIGNED BY
WINDOWS. Start up the K3 utility, click the "Port" tab. Set the COM
port to match what you just found in device manager.

YOU MAY HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY TIME YOU START WINDOWS, particularly if
you have a lot of different USB devices you attach and remove from
time to time. This is one of the reasons I bought a PCI-Ex Serial
Card. It gets registered at bootup and is always in the list. You can
then right click on the device and select properties, click the Port
Settings tab, and then assign a low COM port number that it will
permanently retain. I use COM1 and COM2, and have simply quit having
com port troubles of any kind.

The com ports of Microham devices can be made stable, even though it
uses USB to get to the box, by simply loading the USB Device router at
boot time. So my COM 7 and COM 8 never change, because those numbers
have been set in software before any variable plug and play USB stuff
is run because of whatever USB stuff you have plugged in today.

I don't personally know of a way to fix USB com ports in the registry
or some such, without the device actually active. I did go looking
for that information. Anyone know how to do that?

73, Guy.

On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Robert Redmon <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Dick,
>
> I tried the driver on the Elecraft download page first. It loaded okay
> and windows recognized the adapter when I connected it, but it could not
> communicate with the K3 using the K3 Utility (latest release version). I
> will download and try v1.30 of the prolific driver when their download
> site is up and working properly again....It isn't right now.
>
> Bob K5SM
>
> On 12/25/2010 5:06 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
>> I think I understand that issue. Sometimes the driver issues a data
>> available signal but when you subsequently ask for the data, none is
>> there. My view is that this boundary condition could have been
>> handled a bit better by the MS VB common communications DLL, but my
>> view doesn't help the poor guy using That DLL.
>>
>> You make a good point, but I'm not sure Prolific is entirely at fault
>> here.
>>
>> Dick, K6KR
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2010, at 14:15, WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dick, I had no difficulty with the Elecraft supplied K3 utilities,
>>> but could not control the K3 from N1MM and XMLog. These logging
>>> programs were complied using Visual Basic and I was told that the
>>> Prolific driver and Visual Basic had a register conflict. When I
>>> bought the PCIe RS-232 card it cured my problems and I have not
>>> worried with it since. I got the latest Prolific drivers from the
>>> web site a little over a year ago, but have not updated them since I
>>> quit using the Elecraft supplied Prolific converter.
>>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>>> K5EWJ
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Dick Dievendorff <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>> *To:* WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>> *Cc:* Robert Redmon <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>;
>>> "[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>"
>>> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>> *Sent:* Sat, December 25, 2010 3:49:16 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>>>
>>> I use an older Prolific based KUSB with my Windows 7 64 bit system
>>> that I use to develop and test the various Elecraft Utilities. I got
>>> my drivers from the Prolific web site listed in K3 Utility Help, see
>>> Troubleshooting USB to serial adapters section.
>>>
>>> Dick, K6KR
>>>
>>> On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:57, WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Bob, the Prolific converters do not work well with W7. I have been
>>> using W7
>>> > with my K3 for over a year with a PCIe card RS-232 port. It worked
>>> the first
>>> > time with no problems. Elecraf has quit selling the Prolific
>>> converter, but the
>>> > one they were selling two years ago was Prolific. I think that
>>> some are having
>>> > good results from the FTDI chip set converters which Elecraft is
>>> shipping now.
>>> > You will need the latest drivers which are available from the FTDI
>>> web site.
>>> > Surely Prolific will eventually get their act together and publish
>>> a driver
>>> > which will work with W7, maybe they have by now.
>>> > Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>>> > K5EWJ
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From: Robert Redmon <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>> > Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 2:26:43 PM
>>> > Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>>> >
>>> > I have a new laptop with W7/64bit and can't get my USB/Serial
>>> adapter to
>>> > work (with my K3). It all works fine on my XP (32bit) computers.
>>> Anyone
>>> > who can help?
>>> >
>>> > 73, Bob K5SM
>>> > ______________________________________________________________
>>> > Elecraft mailing list
>>> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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Dick Dievendorff

Re: Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

I haven't done this on Win 7, but I verified that the K3 Utility worked on COM255 by using the device manager property page for a KUSB to change the assigned port number. No registry hack required. But that was on XP. I'm away from machines now or I'd try it again on Win 7.

Dick

On Dec 25, 2010, at 19:22, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> wrote:

> One of the things that Win 7 does a lot is to rearrange com ports.
> This may NOT be your trouble, but it certainly happens enough, and is
> NOT a driver problem, and can still happen and keep you from talking
> to your K3.
>
> After you plug in the USB cable for the USB/serial, bring up the
> device manager (type device manager in the start menu search bar and
> click on it in the list of candidate programs it generates). Click on
> Ports (COM & LPT). Look for the com port THAT WAS ASSIGNED BY
> WINDOWS. Start up the K3 utility, click the "Port" tab. Set the COM
> port to match what you just found in device manager.
>
> YOU MAY HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY TIME YOU START WINDOWS, particularly if
> you have a lot of different USB devices you attach and remove from
> time to time. This is one of the reasons I bought a PCI-Ex Serial
> Card. It gets registered at bootup and is always in the list. You can
> then right click on the device and select properties, click the Port
> Settings tab, and then assign a low COM port number that it will
> permanently retain. I use COM1 and COM2, and have simply quit having
> com port troubles of any kind.
>
> The com ports of Microham devices can be made stable, even though it
> uses USB to get to the box, by simply loading the USB Device router at
> boot time. So my COM 7 and COM 8 never change, because those numbers
> have been set in software before any variable plug and play USB stuff
> is run because of whatever USB stuff you have plugged in today.
>
> I don't personally know of a way to fix USB com ports in the registry
> or some such, without the device actually active. I did go looking
> for that information. Anyone know how to do that?
>
> 73, Guy.
>
> On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Robert Redmon <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Dick,
>>
>> I tried the driver on the Elecraft download page first. It loaded okay
>> and windows recognized the adapter when I connected it, but it could not
>> communicate with the K3 using the K3 Utility (latest release version). I
>> will download and try v1.30 of the prolific driver when their download
>> site is up and working properly again....It isn't right now.
>>
>> Bob K5SM
>>
>> On 12/25/2010 5:06 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
>>> I think I understand that issue. Sometimes the driver issues a data
>>> available signal but when you subsequently ask for the data, none is
>>> there. My view is that this boundary condition could have been
>>> handled a bit better by the MS VB common communications DLL, but my
>>> view doesn't help the poor guy using That DLL.
>>>
>>> You make a good point, but I'm not sure Prolific is entirely at fault
>>> here.
>>>
>>> Dick, K6KR
>>>
>>> On Dec 25, 2010, at 14:15, WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dick, I had no difficulty with the Elecraft supplied K3 utilities,
>>>> but could not control the K3 from N1MM and XMLog. These logging
>>>> programs were complied using Visual Basic and I was told that the
>>>> Prolific driver and Visual Basic had a register conflict. When I
>>>> bought the PCIe RS-232 card it cured my problems and I have not
>>>> worried with it since. I got the latest Prolific drivers from the
>>>> web site a little over a year ago, but have not updated them since I
>>>> quit using the Elecraft supplied Prolific converter.
>>>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>>>> K5EWJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Dick Dievendorff <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>> *To:* WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>> *Cc:* Robert Redmon <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>;
>>>> "[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>"
>>>> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>> *Sent:* Sat, December 25, 2010 3:49:16 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>>>>
>>>> I use an older Prolific based KUSB with my Windows 7 64 bit system
>>>> that I use to develop and test the various Elecraft Utilities. I got
>>>> my drivers from the Prolific web site listed in K3 Utility Help, see
>>>> Troubleshooting USB to serial adapters section.
>>>>
>>>> Dick, K6KR
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:57, WILLIS COOKE <[hidden email]
>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bob, the Prolific converters do not work well with W7. I have been
>>>> using W7
>>>>> with my K3 for over a year with a PCIe card RS-232 port. It worked
>>>> the first
>>>>> time with no problems. Elecraf has quit selling the Prolific
>>>> converter, but the
>>>>> one they were selling two years ago was Prolific. I think that
>>>> some are having
>>>>> good results from the FTDI chip set converters which Elecraft is
>>>> shipping now.
>>>>> You will need the latest drivers which are available from the FTDI
>>>> web site.
>>>>> Surely Prolific will eventually get their act together and publish
>>>> a driver
>>>>> which will work with W7, maybe they have by now.
>>>>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>>>>> K5EWJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Robert Redmon <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>>> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>> Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 2:26:43 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a new laptop with W7/64bit and can't get my USB/Serial
>>>> adapter to
>>>>> work (with my K3). It all works fine on my XP (32bit) computers.
>>>> Anyone
>>>>> who can help?
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Bob K5SM
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

In reply to this post by Guy, K2AV

> The com ports of Microham devices can be made stable, even though it
> uses USB to get to the box, by simply loading the USB Device router at
> boot time. So my COM 7 and COM 8 never change, because those numbers
> have been set in software before any variable plug and play USB stuff
> is run because of whatever USB stuff you have plugged in today.

The COM ports of microHAM hardware are stable because they use serial
numbered devices. Windows will remember a COM assignment if the
device contains a serial number because is associates the serial number
and port assignment no matter which port that device uses.

However, most commodity hardware lacks a serial number and all Windows
can do is assign a new COM number to every new device/new port it sees.
Like everything else, you get what you pay for ... if you are going to
use the lowest cost commodity hardware, you will get commodity level
performance.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 12/25/2010 10:22 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

> One of the things that Win 7 does a lot is to rearrange com ports.
> This may NOT be your trouble, but it certainly happens enough, and is
> NOT a driver problem, and can still happen and keep you from talking
> to your K3.
>
> After you plug in the USB cable for the USB/serial, bring up the
> device manager (type device manager in the start menu search bar and
> click on it in the list of candidate programs it generates). Click on
> Ports (COM& LPT). Look for the com port THAT WAS ASSIGNED BY
> WINDOWS. Start up the K3 utility, click the "Port" tab. Set the COM
> port to match what you just found in device manager.
>
> YOU MAY HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY TIME YOU START WINDOWS, particularly if
> you have a lot of different USB devices you attach and remove from
> time to time. This is one of the reasons I bought a PCI-Ex Serial
> Card. It gets registered at bootup and is always in the list. You can
> then right click on the device and select properties, click the Port
> Settings tab, and then assign a low COM port number that it will
> permanently retain. I use COM1 and COM2, and have simply quit having
> com port troubles of any kind.
>
> The com ports of Microham devices can be made stable, even though it
> uses USB to get to the box, by simply loading the USB Device router at
> boot time. So my COM 7 and COM 8 never change, because those numbers
> have been set in software before any variable plug and play USB stuff
> is run because of whatever USB stuff you have plugged in today.
>
> I don't personally know of a way to fix USB com ports in the registry
> or some such, without the device actually active. I did go looking
> for that information. Anyone know how to do that?
>
> 73, Guy.
>
> On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Robert Redmon<[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Dick,
>>
>> I tried the driver on the Elecraft download page first. It loaded okay
>> and windows recognized the adapter when I connected it, but it could not
>> communicate with the K3 using the K3 Utility (latest release version). I
>> will download and try v1.30 of the prolific driver when their download
>> site is up and working properly again....It isn't right now.
>>
>> Bob K5SM
>>
>> On 12/25/2010 5:06 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
>>> I think I understand that issue. Sometimes the driver issues a data
>>> available signal but when you subsequently ask for the data, none is
>>> there. My view is that this boundary condition could have been
>>> handled a bit better by the MS VB common communications DLL, but my
>>> view doesn't help the poor guy using That DLL.
>>>
>>> You make a good point, but I'm not sure Prolific is entirely at fault
>>> here.
>>>
>>> Dick, K6KR
>>>
>>> On Dec 25, 2010, at 14:15, WILLIS COOKE<[hidden email]
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dick, I had no difficulty with the Elecraft supplied K3 utilities,
>>>> but could not control the K3 from N1MM and XMLog. These logging
>>>> programs were complied using Visual Basic and I was told that the
>>>> Prolific driver and Visual Basic had a register conflict. When I
>>>> bought the PCIe RS-232 card it cured my problems and I have not
>>>> worried with it since. I got the latest Prolific drivers from the
>>>> web site a little over a year ago, but have not updated them since I
>>>> quit using the Elecraft supplied Prolific converter.
>>>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>>>> K5EWJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Dick Dievendorff<[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>> *To:* WILLIS COOKE<[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>> *Cc:* Robert Redmon<[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>;
>>>> "[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>"
>>>> <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>> *Sent:* Sat, December 25, 2010 3:49:16 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>>>>
>>>> I use an older Prolific based KUSB with my Windows 7 64 bit system
>>>> that I use to develop and test the various Elecraft Utilities. I got
>>>> my drivers from the Prolific web site listed in K3 Utility Help, see
>>>> Troubleshooting USB to serial adapters section.
>>>>
>>>> Dick, K6KR
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:57, WILLIS COOKE<[hidden email]
>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bob, the Prolific converters do not work well with W7. I have been
>>>> using W7
>>>>> with my K3 for over a year with a PCIe card RS-232 port. It worked
>>>> the first
>>>>> time with no problems. Elecraf has quit selling the Prolific
>>>> converter, but the
>>>>> one they were selling two years ago was Prolific. I think that
>>>> some are having
>>>>> good results from the FTDI chip set converters which Elecraft is
>>>> shipping now.
>>>>> You will need the latest drivers which are available from the FTDI
>>>> web site.
>>>>> Surely Prolific will eventually get their act together and publish
>>>> a driver
>>>>> which will work with W7, maybe they have by now.
>>>>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>>>>> K5EWJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Robert Redmon<[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>>> To: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>> Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 2:26:43 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a new laptop with W7/64bit and can't get my USB/Serial
>>>> adapter to
>>>>> work (with my K3). It all works fine on my XP (32bit) computers.
>>>> Anyone
>>>>> who can help?
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Bob K5SM
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>>
>>
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Guy, K2AV

Re: Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

Joe,

At some point the advice was to always load the Microham USB router at
boot time. What was the reason for that? Just to make sure that com
ports 8 and under weren't gobbled up?

73, Guy.

On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>> The com ports of Microham devices can be made stable, even though it
>> uses USB to get to the box, by simply loading the USB Device router at
>> boot time. So my COM 7 and COM 8 never change, because those numbers
>> have been set in software before any variable plug and play USB stuff
>> is run because of whatever USB stuff you have plugged in today.
>
> The COM ports of microHAM hardware are stable because they use serial
> numbered devices. Windows will remember a COM assignment if the
> device contains a serial number because is associates the serial number
> and port assignment no matter which port that device uses.
>
> However, most commodity hardware lacks a serial number and all Windows
> can do is assign a new COM number to every new device/new port it sees.
> Like everything else, you get what you pay for ... if you are going to
> use the lowest cost commodity hardware, you will get commodity level
> performance.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
> On 12/25/2010 10:22 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>>
>> One of the things that Win 7 does a lot is to rearrange com ports.
>> This may NOT be your trouble, but it certainly happens enough, and is
>> NOT a driver problem, and can still happen and keep you from talking
>> to your K3.
>>
>> After you plug in the USB cable for the USB/serial, bring up the
>> device manager (type device manager in the start menu search bar and
>> click on it in the list of candidate programs it generates). Click on
>> Ports (COM& LPT). Look for the com port THAT WAS ASSIGNED BY
>> WINDOWS. Start up the K3 utility, click the "Port" tab. Set the COM
>> port to match what you just found in device manager.
>>
>> YOU MAY HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY TIME YOU START WINDOWS, particularly if
>> you have a lot of different USB devices you attach and remove from
>> time to time. This is one of the reasons I bought a PCI-Ex Serial
>> Card. It gets registered at bootup and is always in the list. You can
>> then right click on the device and select properties, click the Port
>> Settings tab, and then assign a low COM port number that it will
>> permanently retain. I use COM1 and COM2, and have simply quit having
>> com port troubles of any kind.
>>
>> The com ports of Microham devices can be made stable, even though it
>> uses USB to get to the box, by simply loading the USB Device router at
>> boot time. So my COM 7 and COM 8 never change, because those numbers
>> have been set in software before any variable plug and play USB stuff
>> is run because of whatever USB stuff you have plugged in today.
>>
>> I don't personally know of a way to fix USB com ports in the registry
>> or some such, without the device actually active. I did go looking
>> for that information. Anyone know how to do that?
>>
>> 73, Guy.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Robert Redmon<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dick,
>>>
>>> I tried the driver on the Elecraft download page first. It loaded okay
>>> and windows recognized the adapter when I connected it, but it could not
>>> communicate with the K3 using the K3 Utility (latest release version). I
>>> will download and try v1.30 of the prolific driver when their download
>>> site is up and working properly again....It isn't right now.
>>>
>>> Bob K5SM
>>>
>>> On 12/25/2010 5:06 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think I understand that issue. Sometimes the driver issues a data
>>>> available signal but when you subsequently ask for the data, none is
>>>> there. My view is that this boundary condition could have been
>>>> handled a bit better by the MS VB common communications DLL, but my
>>>> view doesn't help the poor guy using That DLL.
>>>>
>>>> You make a good point, but I'm not sure Prolific is entirely at fault
>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> Dick, K6KR
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 25, 2010, at 14:15, WILLIS COOKE<[hidden email]
>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dick, I had no difficulty with the Elecraft supplied K3 utilities,
>>>>> but could not control the K3 from N1MM and XMLog. These logging
>>>>> programs were complied using Visual Basic and I was told that the
>>>>> Prolific driver and Visual Basic had a register conflict. When I
>>>>> bought the PCIe RS-232 card it cured my problems and I have not
>>>>> worried with it since. I got the latest Prolific drivers from the
>>>>> web site a little over a year ago, but have not updated them since I
>>>>> quit using the Elecraft supplied Prolific converter.
>>>>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>>>>> K5EWJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Dick Dievendorff<[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>>> *To:* WILLIS COOKE<[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>>> *Cc:* Robert Redmon<[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>;
>>>>> "[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>"
>>>>> <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>>> *Sent:* Sat, December 25, 2010 3:49:16 PM
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>>>>>
>>>>> I use an older Prolific based KUSB with my Windows 7 64 bit system
>>>>> that I use to develop and test the various Elecraft Utilities. I got
>>>>> my drivers from the Prolific web site listed in K3 Utility Help, see
>>>>> Troubleshooting USB to serial adapters section.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick, K6KR
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:57, WILLIS COOKE<[hidden email]
>>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob, the Prolific converters do not work well with W7. I have been
>>>>>
>>>>> using W7
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with my K3 for over a year with a PCIe card RS-232 port. It worked
>>>>>
>>>>> the first
>>>>>>
>>>>>> time with no problems. Elecraf has quit selling the Prolific
>>>>>
>>>>> converter, but the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> one they were selling two years ago was Prolific. I think that
>>>>>
>>>>> some are having
>>>>>>
>>>>>> good results from the FTDI chip set converters which Elecraft is
>>>>>
>>>>> shipping now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You will need the latest drivers which are available from the FTDI
>>>>>
>>>>> web site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Surely Prolific will eventually get their act together and publish
>>>>>
>>>>> a driver
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which will work with W7, maybe they have by now.
>>>>>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>>>>>> K5EWJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Robert Redmon<[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>>>> To: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>>> Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 2:26:43 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a new laptop with W7/64bit and can't get my USB/Serial
>>>>>
>>>>> adapter to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> work (with my K3). It all works fine on my XP (32bit) computers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> who can help?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73, Bob K5SM
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Re: Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter

>
> At some point the advice was to always load the Microham USB router at
> boot time. What was the reason for that?

Convenience ... it was there when the user wanted to use it without
the need to wait for it to load.

> Just to make sure that com ports 8 and under weren't gobbled up?

That doesn't always work. Windows has been known to load other devices
right over the Eltima drivers. It appears to depend in the driver and
how it finds "open" COM numbers.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 12/26/2010 6:51 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

> Joe,
>
> At some point the advice was to always load the Microham USB router at
> boot time. What was the reason for that? Just to make sure that com
> ports 8 and under weren't gobbled up?
>
> 73, Guy.
>
> On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> The com ports of Microham devices can be made stable, even though it
>>> uses USB to get to the box, by simply loading the USB Device router at
>>> boot time. So my COM 7 and COM 8 never change, because those numbers
>>> have been set in software before any variable plug and play USB stuff
>>> is run because of whatever USB stuff you have plugged in today.
>>
>> The COM ports of microHAM hardware are stable because they use serial
>> numbered devices. Windows will remember a COM assignment if the
>> device contains a serial number because is associates the serial number
>> and port assignment no matter which port that device uses.
>>
>> However, most commodity hardware lacks a serial number and all Windows
>> can do is assign a new COM number to every new device/new port it sees.
>> Like everything else, you get what you pay for ... if you are going to
>> use the lowest cost commodity hardware, you will get commodity level
>> performance.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/25/2010 10:22 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
>>>
>>> One of the things that Win 7 does a lot is to rearrange com ports.
>>> This may NOT be your trouble, but it certainly happens enough, and is
>>> NOT a driver problem, and can still happen and keep you from talking
>>> to your K3.
>>>
>>> After you plug in the USB cable for the USB/serial, bring up the
>>> device manager (type device manager in the start menu search bar and
>>> click on it in the list of candidate programs it generates). Click on
>>> Ports (COM& LPT). Look for the com port THAT WAS ASSIGNED BY
>>> WINDOWS. Start up the K3 utility, click the "Port" tab. Set the COM
>>> port to match what you just found in device manager.
>>>
>>> YOU MAY HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY TIME YOU START WINDOWS, particularly if
>>> you have a lot of different USB devices you attach and remove from
>>> time to time. This is one of the reasons I bought a PCI-Ex Serial
>>> Card. It gets registered at bootup and is always in the list. You can
>>> then right click on the device and select properties, click the Port
>>> Settings tab, and then assign a low COM port number that it will
>>> permanently retain. I use COM1 and COM2, and have simply quit having
>>> com port troubles of any kind.
>>>
>>> The com ports of Microham devices can be made stable, even though it
>>> uses USB to get to the box, by simply loading the USB Device router at
>>> boot time. So my COM 7 and COM 8 never change, because those numbers
>>> have been set in software before any variable plug and play USB stuff
>>> is run because of whatever USB stuff you have plugged in today.
>>>
>>> I don't personally know of a way to fix USB com ports in the registry
>>> or some such, without the device actually active. I did go looking
>>> for that information. Anyone know how to do that?
>>>
>>> 73, Guy.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Robert Redmon<[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dick,
>>>>
>>>> I tried the driver on the Elecraft download page first. It loaded okay
>>>> and windows recognized the adapter when I connected it, but it could not
>>>> communicate with the K3 using the K3 Utility (latest release version). I
>>>> will download and try v1.30 of the prolific driver when their download
>>>> site is up and working properly again....It isn't right now.
>>>>
>>>> Bob K5SM
>>>>
>>>> On 12/25/2010 5:06 PM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I understand that issue. Sometimes the driver issues a data
>>>>> available signal but when you subsequently ask for the data, none is
>>>>> there. My view is that this boundary condition could have been
>>>>> handled a bit better by the MS VB common communications DLL, but my
>>>>> view doesn't help the poor guy using That DLL.
>>>>>
>>>>> You make a good point, but I'm not sure Prolific is entirely at fault
>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick, K6KR
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 25, 2010, at 14:15, WILLIS COOKE<[hidden email]
>>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dick, I had no difficulty with the Elecraft supplied K3 utilities,
>>>>>> but could not control the K3 from N1MM and XMLog. These logging
>>>>>> programs were complied using Visual Basic and I was told that the
>>>>>> Prolific driver and Visual Basic had a register conflict. When I
>>>>>> bought the PCIe RS-232 card it cured my problems and I have not
>>>>>> worried with it since. I got the latest Prolific drivers from the
>>>>>> web site a little over a year ago, but have not updated them since I
>>>>>> quit using the Elecraft supplied Prolific converter.
>>>>>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>>>>>> K5EWJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* Dick Dievendorff<[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>>>> *To:* WILLIS COOKE<[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>>>> *Cc:* Robert Redmon<[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>;
>>>>>> "[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>"
>>>>>> <[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Sat, December 25, 2010 3:49:16 PM
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use an older Prolific based KUSB with my Windows 7 64 bit system
>>>>>> that I use to develop and test the various Elecraft Utilities. I got
>>>>>> my drivers from the Prolific web site listed in K3 Utility Help, see
>>>>>> Troubleshooting USB to serial adapters section.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dick, K6KR
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 25, 2010, at 12:57, WILLIS COOKE<[hidden email]
>>>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob, the Prolific converters do not work well with W7. I have been
>>>>>>
>>>>>> using W7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with my K3 for over a year with a PCIe card RS-232 port. It worked
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the first
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> time with no problems. Elecraf has quit selling the Prolific
>>>>>>
>>>>>> converter, but the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> one they were selling two years ago was Prolific. I think that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> some are having
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> good results from the FTDI chip set converters which Elecraft is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> shipping now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You will need the latest drivers which are available from the FTDI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> web site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Surely Prolific will eventually get their act together and publish
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a driver
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which will work with W7, maybe they have by now.
>>>>>>> Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
>>>>>>> K5EWJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Robert Redmon<[hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>>>>>> To: [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 2:26:43 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Windows 7 64bit and USB to RS232 adapter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a new laptop with W7/64bit and can't get my USB/Serial
>>>>>>
>>>>>> adapter to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> work (with my K3). It all works fine on my XP (32bit) computers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> who can help?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 73, Bob K5SM
>>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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