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Last night my personal e-mail in box was spammed by a purveyor of an after-market item for Elecraft radios...I strongly resent this intrusion...
I am a listed Elecraft builder who specializes in service to those who cannot build their own radios, with particular attention given to the blind, handicapped and elderly...My service is of high quality and is unadvertised, non-commercial, and without compensation...I will not put myself in the position of hawking an outside vendor's product, for the vendor's profit, to my ham radio friends... Jerry McCarthy, wa2dkg _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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>Last night my personal e-mail in box was spammed by a purveyor
>of an after-market item for Elecraft radios...I strongly resent this intrusion... Gee Jerry, welcome to e-mail. Unwanted e-mail messages appear in everyone's in-box. That in itself should be no big deal. > I am a listed Elecraft builder...I will not put myself in the > position of hawking an outside vendor's product, for the vendor's > profit, to my ham radio friends... I think that's a great approach. Bravo. You sound upset and I'm wondering why. How does receiving an unwanted e-mail ad put you in the position of hawking someone else's products to your customers? The ad arrived, you didn't want it, you deleted. No further action is required. I received the same e-mail message. I was glad to see it and am considering doing the upgrade. To me it isn't spam at all. 73 - Keith KD1E - - K2 5411 - _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Jeremiah McCarthy
I echo Keith's sentiment ... these 'after-market' announcements are
welcome to at least some, if not many, readers of the site (myself included, obviously). It is very easy for those individuals not interested in these solicitations to ... delete ... one keystroke .... but if these types of emails were banned from the reflector, many of us would miss them. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Darwin, Keith Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:22 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Spam >Last night my personal e-mail in box was spammed by a purveyor >of an after-market item for Elecraft radios...I strongly resent this intrusion... Gee Jerry, welcome to e-mail. Unwanted e-mail messages appear in everyone's in-box. That in itself should be no big deal. > I am a listed Elecraft builder...I will not put myself in the > position of hawking an outside vendor's product, for the vendor's > profit, to my ham radio friends... I think that's a great approach. Bravo. You sound upset and I'm wondering why. How does receiving an unwanted e-mail ad put you in the position of hawking someone else's products to your customers? The ad arrived, you didn't want it, you deleted. No further action is required. I received the same e-mail message. I was glad to see it and am considering doing the upgrade. To me it isn't spam at all. 73 - Keith KD1E - - K2 5411 - _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is proprietary, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender by return email and delete the original message. Please note, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The organization accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. ============================================================================== _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Darwin, Keith
> I received the same e-mail message. I was glad to see it and am
> considering doing the upgrade. To me it isn't spam at all. Fortunately, the definition of spam is not subjective. Spam is unsolicited commercial email, whether you appreciate receiving it or not. Harvesting names from Web sites, email lists, and other sources where you don't have the permission of the recipient is illegal in the United States. Subscribers to the Elecraft reflector who offer other commercial products need to be careful not to harvest names from the list or from the Elecraft Web site. Even though some may welcome the email, it is still spam by definition and illegal under CAN-SPAM laws. On the other hand, sending an offer directly to the reflector for an Elecraft-related product is allowed and encouraged under my understanding of the rules. (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV.) Craig NZ0R K1 #1966 K2/100 #4941 KX1 #1499 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I do not mind so much Elecraft builders advertising their wares via the
list or even directly. What I do not like, although I accept it is an inevitable consequence of belonging to an email list, is getting spam from some organisation or individual hawking something which has nothing to do with the Elecraft range of products. I got one such from a jewelry outfit recently. I viewed the headers and copied them and the entire message and pasted it into the Spamcop site. Spamcop replied with the address of the address to which complaints of abuse should be addressed. I had the satisfaction of subsequently being informed by that ISP that they had terminated the spammer's account. Have a look at http://www.spamcop.com It is not often you apparently win against spammers, but it is sweet when you even think that you may have. 73 Kevin VK3DAP / ZL2DAP _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Darwin, Keith
Darwin, Keith wrote:
> I received the same e-mail message. I was glad to see it and am > considering doing the upgrade. To me it isn't spam at all. One man's spam is another man's, er, you get the idea. I personally enjoy getting email advertising ham radio equipment. I do not care to get messages about ways to increase the size of various body parts. I think, though, that the only correct approach for people selling things is the following: never send an advertisement to someone who has not explicitly indicated to you that he wants to receive such advertisements. Reflectors like this are a gray area in which it's not so obvious what to do. By joining, I indicate that I'm interested in Elecraft products. Does this also apply to accessories specifically designed for Elecraft radios? My guess is yes, if the messages are not excessive. However the final decision is up to the list manager, who will probably tell us to end this thread soon! -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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One of the things many of us have that some do not, is a high speed
connection; to those that are bound to a phone line and modem, wasting time just for downloading SPAM is irritating enough. Add to that the rest of the reasons why SPAM is illegal, and you have more irritation that those who have a high bandwidth connection. While an IMAP account might be better than the old POP3 in this respect, most ISPs that offer modem lines do not offer pop3, leaving the folks on low bandwidth connections trapped into wasting time downloading stuff they are uninterested in rather than just the headers and making "delete" decisions at that point. Perhaps we can accept this irritation as "reasonable" for some people to feel? I do... 73 de Dave, W5SV _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Sorry for not proof reading well enough... I have tried to correct it in
this resend... One of the things many of us have that some do not, is a high speed connection; to those that are bound to a phone line and modem, wasting time just for downloading SPAM is irritating enough. Add to that the rest of the reasons why SPAM is illegal, and you have more irritation that those who have a high bandwidth connection _*endure. *_ While an IMAP account might be better than the old POP3 in this respect, most ISPs that offer modem lines do not offer *_IMAP _* leaving the folks on low bandwidth connections trapped into wasting time downloading stuff they are uninterested in rather than just the headers and making "delete" decisions at that point. Perhaps we can accept this irritation as "reasonable" for some people to feel? I do... 73 de Dave, W5SV _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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