Spilling the HF beans .....

[Thom LaCosta]

On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, W2AGN wrote:

> on many email reflectors. I have determined that a topic will be quashed as
> "off-topic" IF:
>
> 1. It expresses an opinion contrary to that of the list owner/moderator.
> 2. It criticizes a "Scared Cow" such as ARRL, etc.
> 3. It upsets someone enough that they send complaints to the list
> owner/moderator, thereby causing him work.
> 4. It is initiated/continued by an individual who is viewed as a
> "troublemaker."

The true Off-Topic post would satisfy ALL of the elements listed above.

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[Sandy W5TVW]

Unfortunately, for the customersw/patrons, Bill has continued screwing us
all with "imperfect" and buggy operating systems!  Too bad he doesn't
improve and debug the old Windows systems instead of foisting newer and
still buggy systems on us!  To add to our misery, he has seen fit to invest
his billions in India where he gets programmers cheaper.  (The ones you
can't understand on technical Help!)

I have heard real horror stories about the "Consumer" version of VISTA!

73,

Sandy W5TVW
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> Bill Gates has written lots of code.  He is (or at least was) a truly
> outstanding programmer.  Years ago he was known to review code, find
> something he didn't like and call up the programmer and give 'em hell.  MS
> Programmers have also been known to suddenly receive bonuses as stock
> options because Bill liked their code.  The very highest status a
> programmer could hope to achieve was having been recognized by Bill in
> this way.
>
> Also, PC-DOS has always been on the market. In fact you can still buy a
> copy (version 8.0). It has always been maintained separately from MS-DOS
> since its inception.  A significant portion of PC-DOS was (and still is)
> strictly blue-code.
>
> Bill bought QDOS for $40,000 cash and some vague promises about further
> deals.  Many, many companies have looked back at their dealings with Bill
> and realized they've been had. BigTime.  The dirty dealings with IBM are
> by far the worst thing on Bill's list of dirty tricks and double-crosses.
>
> 73, Doug -- K0DXV
>
> [hidden email] wrote:
>> That's the story I remember. Gates has been great at acquiring other
>> peoples projects and turning them into gold..I'm not sure he's ever
>> actually written a line of code!
>>
>> Doug
>> W6JD
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: Brian Lloyd <[hidden email]>
>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Fred (FL) wrote:
>>>
>>>> And Bill Gates empire was launched, and IBM got its first DOS contract
>>>> from Gates - and IBM's PC was launched.
>>> The way I remember it, IBM decided they wanted a version of CP/M for
>>> their new Intel 8086-based system and went to Digital Research. Somehow
>>> the folks at DR managed to really annoy the folks from IBM. (I heard it
>>> that Gary Kildall's wife wouldn't deal with them because Gary was
>>> out-of-town.) So IBM turned to the small company that was supposed to
>>> provide the BASIC interpreter for the new "PC": Microsoft.
>>> Bill Gates of Microsoft assured IBM that Microsoft had a replacement for
>>> CP/M-86 even though they really didn't. (Ah, vapor-ware has been with us
>>> for a LONG time.) Microsoft then quickly purchased the rights to a CP/M
>>> lookalike called QDOS. That became IBM's PC-DOS which Microsoft then
>>> renamed MS-DOS. The rest is history.
>>> 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com
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[Julian, G4ILO]

On 6/3/07, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
> That's the story I remember. Gates has been great at acquiring other peoples projects and turning them into gold..I'm not sure he's ever actually written a line of code!
>
> Doug
> W6JD

I know this is off-topic, and I'm no big fan of Microsoft, but I can't
let this one pass without correction. Bill Gates wrote most of the
original Microsoft Basic. I have a book "Programmers at Work" that has
an interview with him where he writes about hos programming methods.
It even has copies of some of his original notes. Some people might
not like to admit it, but Gates was succesful because he is brighter
and sharper than 99.9% of us.

This Gmail account is working really well for this reflector. The way
it automatically threads messages means it's easy to ignore threads
you aren't interested in. I have about 98 invitations to give away, so
if anyone would like a Gmail account just drop me an email (but not as
a reply to this thread or I might miss it!)

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[dave.wilburn]

I worked at IBM in Boca Raton at the time.  An acquaintance, broke into
the section behind where our systems were (at the time IBM had just
started their luggable, to compete with Osbourne) and stole engineering
diagrams and system information.  He flew to California, and tried to
sell it to Osbourne.  Osbourne talked with the FBI, and he had the
opportunity to sell the items to the FBI.

David Wilburn
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Bill Coleman wrote:

>
> On Mar 3, 2007, at 11:23 AM, John Young wrote:
>
>> If my memory is still working I recall Osbone made a very nice CP/M
>> computer in the dark ages.  When the owner announced that the next
>> model would be IBM PC compatible, all orders for the CP/M system ended
>> and the company went broke.
>
> In the business literature, this is known as the "Osbourne Effect" for
> this reason.
>
>
> Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: [hidden email]
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[dave.wilburn]

You mean beside their decision to integrate the browser with the
operating system????  Bad Bill, no cookie...

David Wilburn
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> Doug Person wrote:
>> Bill Gates has written lots of code.  He is (or at least was) a truly
>> outstanding programmer.  Years ago he was known to review code, find
>> something he didn't like and call up the programmer and give 'em
>> hell.  MS Programmers have also been known to suddenly receive bonuses
>> as stock options because Bill liked their code.  The very highest
>> status a programmer could hope to achieve was having been recognized
>> by Bill in this way.
>>
>> Also, PC-DOS has always been on the market. In fact you can still buy
>> a copy (version 8.0). It has always been maintained separately from
>> MS-DOS since its inception.  A significant portion of PC-DOS was (and
>> still is) strictly blue-code.
>>
>> Bill bought QDOS for $40,000 cash and some vague promises about
>> further deals.  Many, many companies have looked back at their
>> dealings with Bill and realized they've been had. BigTime.  The dirty
>> dealings with IBM are by far the worst thing on Bill's list of dirty
>> tricks and double-crosses.
>>
>> 73, Doug -- K0DXV
>>
>> [hidden email] wrote:
>>> That's the story I remember. Gates has been great at acquiring other
>>> peoples projects and turning them into gold..I'm not sure he's ever
>>> actually written a line of code!
>>>
>>> Doug
>>> W6JD
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Brian Lloyd
>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>  
>>>> On Jun 3, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Fred (FL) wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>> And Bill Gates empire was launched, and IBM got its first DOS
>>>>> contract from Gates - and IBM's PC was launched.      
>>>> The way I remember it, IBM decided they wanted a version of CP/M for
>>>> their new Intel 8086-based system and went to Digital Research.
>>>> Somehow the folks at DR managed to really annoy the folks from IBM.
>>>> (I heard it that Gary Kildall's wife wouldn't deal with them because
>>>> Gary was out-of-town.) So IBM turned to the small company that was
>>>> supposed to provide the BASIC interpreter for the new "PC": Microsoft.
>>>> Bill Gates of Microsoft assured IBM that Microsoft had a replacement
>>>> for CP/M-86 even though they really didn't. (Ah, vapor-ware has been
>>>> with us for a LONG time.) Microsoft then quickly purchased the
>>>> rights to a CP/M lookalike called QDOS. That became IBM's PC-DOS
>>>> which Microsoft then renamed MS-DOS. The rest is history.
>>>> 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com
>>>>
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[Mark Bayern]

> I wasn't really complaining. I just am trying to figure out what is considered
> "off-topic" and what is not. It appears to be a perplexing puzzle on many email
> reflectors. I have determined that a topic will be quashed as "off-topic" IF:
> ...

No need to be so cynical.

My guess (and it is just a guess) is that Eric actually spends some
time away from the mail list, and he hasn't seen this thread yet.

I expect it will be put back on topic, or ended in a day or two.

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[W2AGN-2]

"Mark Bayern" <[hidden email]> wrote:
(06/03/2007 22:18)

>No need to be so cynical.
>
>My guess (and it is just a guess) is that Eric actually spends some
>time away from the mail list, and he hasn't seen this thread yet.
>
>I expect it will be put back on topic, or ended in a day or two.
>
>Mark AD5SS


Cynical ? Moi? Not at all. Just a realist.

John - W2AGN
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[Michael B-6]

So how many people on this reflector haven't posted to this thread?


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[Craig Rairdin]

> So how many people on this reflector haven't posted to this thread?

Most. <30 posts >2000 members.

But at last: A hot, off-topic thread that I neither started nor threw
gasoline on. :-)

Craig
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[Don Rasmussen]

This is the unfortunate result of too many folks
waiting too long for some new scrap of information
about their new K3 radios. Off topic posts and even
worse, people choosing up sides over Bill Gates.

Man, that's boredom. Possibly also mixed with a
liberal dose of new radio anxiety.

Please Eric, Wayne, or even Lisa at this point, throw
us a bone or some tasty morsel before these posts
deteriorate any further. I for one promise to be
grateful and not to make any extreme off topic posts
for at least a day or two.

Thanks!  ;-)


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"Mark Bayern" <[hidden email]> wrote:
(06/03/2007 22:18)

>No need to be so cynical.
>
>My guess (and it is just a guess) is that Eric
actually spends some
>time away from the mail list, and he hasn't seen this
thread yet.
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>I expect it will be put back on topic, or ended in a
day or two.
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>Mark AD5SS

 

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[Julian, G4ILO]

On 6/4/07, Don Rasmussen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> This is the unfortunate result of too many folks
> waiting too long for some new scrap of information
> about their new K3 radios. Off topic posts and even
> worse, people choosing up sides over Bill Gates.

This is very true. A solution might be for those who want to kill time
speculating, theorising, fantasising or otherwise discussing the K3 to
join the Elecraft K3 Yahoo Group at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elecraft_K3/ and lighten the load of
this reflector.

It wasn't me that set it up, but it seems a good idea, considering.

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[Bill Coleman-2]

On Jun 3, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Fred (FL) wrote:

> And Bill Gates empire was launched, and IBM got
> its first DOS contract from Gates - and IBM's PC was
> launched.  And in 1981 - the whole PC world,
> as we now know it was started.  CP/M was also
> on the runway - but big blue, killed it at the
> gate. Supposedly Gates bought the guts of DOS
> or PC BASIC, from a college friend, for a
> pittance.

It's important to remember the history correctly. In 1981, Microsoft  
was a dominant supplier of microcomputer BASIC. IBM was already going  
to talk to them about that.

IBM also wanted CP/M, and Gates assured them he could deliver that,  
too. What he ended up doing was buying QDOS from Seattle Softworks  
(for a pittance, really), and then re-working it into PCDOS. The rest  
is history.

>   Had nothing to do with the Osborne
> Computer Inc. company.  They just happened to
> be one of several companies; Heath, Osborne,
> ..... - who at that time ran under CP/M.  So
> I'd call it the Gates effect.

The Osborne Effect came later. It happened when Osborne pre-announced  
a PC-compatible portable computer. Once they did that, all sales of  
their CP/M portable virtually stopped. The reduction in sales  
bankrupted the company before they could finish and ship their PC-
compatible design.

Of course, the wikipedia entry indicates that perhaps the role of the  
pre-announcement was overstated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
Osborne_effect

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[Bill Coleman-2]

On Jun 3, 2007, at 1:54 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> That's the story I remember. Gates has been great at acquiring  
> other peoples projects and turning them into gold..I'm not sure  
> he's ever actually written a line of code!

Gates certainly did write code back in the early, early days of  
Microsoft. As late as the mid-90's, he also performed code-reviews of  
various programmers. (A good review from Gates was apparently a good  
career boost)

 From the book "Programmers at Work" (c 1985), Gates talked at length  
about some of his programming and design tasks. One that stays with  
me is the bit about how Excel implements Cut, Copy, Paste. He came up  
with some clever behavior to limit the amount of temporary memory  
needed.

Of course, 22 years later, that non-standard behavior is the bane of  
anyone using Excel. I know it causes me frustration every time I use  
Excel....

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[Bill Coleman-2]

On Jun 3, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Doug Person wrote:

> Bill bought QDOS for $40,000 cash and some vague promises about  
> further deals.  Many, many companies have looked back at their  
> dealings with Bill and realized they've been had. BigTime.  The  
> dirty dealings with IBM are by far the worst thing on Bill's list  
> of dirty tricks and double-crosses.

Oh, yeah. How about OS/2 -- Microsoft contracted with IBM to build  
it, took everything they learned from building it to create Windows  
95, and then offered with IBM to do OS/2 v5 for $400 million....

Or how about how Gates in 1985 used the AppleSoft BASIC license  
renewal to extort a license to the Macintosh UI elements? This  
agreement basically allowed Microsoft to rip off any part of the  
Macintosh design for Windows 3.1.

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[Gary Montalbine]

Bill Coleman wrote:
>

>  From the book "Programmers at Work" (c 1985), Gates talked at length
> about some of his programming and design tasks. One that stays with me
> is the bit about how Excel implements Cut, Copy, Paste. He came up with
> some clever behavior to limit the amount of temporary memory needed.
>
> Of course, 22 years later, that non-standard behavior is the bane of
> anyone using Excel. I know it causes me frustration every time I use
> Excel....
>

Switch to OpenOffice. Its free and works.

Gary, WA4SZI
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[Bill Coleman-2]

On Jul 13, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Gary Montalbine wrote:

> Switch to OpenOffice. Its free and works.

I'm really hoping the next version of iWork includes a spreadsheet....


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[Mike B-12]

Gentlemen, not to be a list cop, but good grief.  Eric closed this
thread over a month ago.  Let it die, or take it to some Yahoo group.
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[w5tvw]

Was there anything about Bill stealing the "Windows" system.  I think he
screwed the "Apple twins" as well didn't he?  It WOULD be nice and also
retribution, if someone would come up with a better "windows" like system
and blow Gates and his patched up code off the market.  He MUST have enough
money by now?

73,
Sandy W5TVW

Used to love playing with Zilog Z-80 machine code.
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>
> On Jun 3, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Fred (FL) wrote:
>
>> And Bill Gates empire was launched, and IBM got
>> its first DOS contract from Gates - and IBM's PC was
>> launched.  And in 1981 - the whole PC world,
>> as we now know it was started.  CP/M was also
>> on the runway - but big blue, killed it at the
>> gate. Supposedly Gates bought the guts of DOS
>> or PC BASIC, from a college friend, for a
>> pittance.
>
> It's important to remember the history correctly. In 1981, Microsoft  was
> a dominant supplier of microcomputer BASIC. IBM was already going  to talk
> to them about that.
>
> IBM also wanted CP/M, and Gates assured them he could deliver that,  too.
> What he ended up doing was buying QDOS from Seattle Softworks  (for a
> pittance, really), and then re-working it into PCDOS. The rest  is
> history.
>
>>   Had nothing to do with the Osborne
>> Computer Inc. company.  They just happened to
>> be one of several companies; Heath, Osborne,
>> ..... - who at that time ran under CP/M.  So
>> I'd call it the Gates effect.
>
> The Osborne Effect came later. It happened when Osborne pre-announced  a
> PC-compatible portable computer. Once they did that, all sales of  their
> CP/M portable virtually stopped. The reduction in sales  bankrupted the
> company before they could finish and ship their PC- compatible design.
>
> Of course, the wikipedia entry indicates that perhaps the role of the
> pre-announcement was overstated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
> Osborne_effect
>
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