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It is encouraging to see Elecraft prosper and
expand, in manufacturing and engineering. Expansion usually means new products, new features, new kits. I put on my "read between the lines glasses", when I read Eric's message about Elecraft's future goals. (Re: [Elecraft] KPA800/KPA1500 Status Update) Without spilling the beans, or showing one's hand - could Elecraft give us a better view of how new products may happen in the future? Does Elecraft have a goal of other transceivers, updated transceiver products? Could (could) there be new near-term HF product kits in the future. Or is the K2, it? Could there be a K3 kit, sometime in the near future? Elecraft has always seemed to keep their product plans very guarded. Even IBM in its heyday - could always be counted on to come out with that next computer processor or mainframe product. We just knew it. And Intel, after the 4004 and 8008 - we soon found they had the 8080 and 8086 already on the runway. For sure Chevy and Nissan - can pretty much be 99% counted on to come out with that new next model, next October. Unfortunately, or fortunately, I'm more of a SSB ham. Just CW QRP doesn't do it for me. I know this topic comes up frequently, on the list - people are interested in what HF products might come on the market next. Frankly, a new K3-like HF would be a welcome kit for me. If I knew it was coming fairly soon, in this retired engineer's future - I'd put my new IC-7000 on the block, easily! I think that much of Elecraft's products and kits. And I continue to have that hands-on building urge in me. Could you give us a view of Elecraft's new HF product(s) goals, and perhaps plans. For whatever the reason - Elecraft was very vocal and open about their work in new HF amps. With Elecrat's known expertise and skills in HF transceiver design and manufacture - I guess I'm praying that there is a natural K1, K2, KX progression. Or am I only dreaming? Fred, N3CSY ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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They could tell you .. but then they'd have to kill you :)
de w1rt/john On 3/3/07, Fred (FL) <[hidden email]> wrote: > Could you give us a view of Elecraft's new HF > product(s) goals, and perhaps plans. For whatever the > reason - Elecraft was very vocal and open about > their work in new HF amps. With Elecrat's known > expertise and skills in HF transceiver design and > manufacture - I guess I'm praying that there is a > natural K1, K2, KX progression. Or am I only > dreaming? _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I hope Elecraft doesn't get too carried away with new
products ... to their detriment ... like Detroit. Detroit's attitude guarnteed the German and Japanese auto manufacturer's success. (I've owned 17 VW's) One doesn't have to look very far to see companies that have gone too far too fast only to trip over their success. Perhaps it's difficult to throttle success and not grow too big and lose control. Simply put, Elecraft is CLASS. I hope they resist calls to expand and offer products for "everyone". They're unique in the ham radio equipment arena. I've lusted for a K2 for several years ... even sold my FT-1000D to fund mine. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [hidden email] or [hidden email] _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Fred (FL) wrote:
> Without spilling the beans, or showing one's hand - > could Elecraft give us a better view of how new > products may happen in the future? Does Elecraft > have a goal of other transceivers, updated transceiver > products? Could (could) there be new near-term > HF product kits in the future. Or is the K2, it? > Could there be a K3 kit, sometime in the near future? > What, and then have to patiently endure the unending masses of emails about it being all empty boxes, vaporware, and how it really should have been done this way or that? If I were them, I would never announce anything ever again, until it was ready to go up for sale! Thank goodness they are much better mannered than I am. ;-) -- GB & 73's KA5OAI Sam Morgan _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On 3/3/07, Sam Morgan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Fred (FL) wrote: > > Without spilling the beans, or showing one's hand - > > could Elecraft give us a better view of how new > > products may happen in the future? Does Elecraft > > have a goal of other transceivers, updated transceiver > > products? Could (could) there be new near-term > > HF product kits in the future. Or is the K2, it? > > Could there be a K3 kit, sometime in the near future? If my memory is still working I recall Osbone made a very nice CP/M computer in the dark ages. When the owner announced that the next model would be IBM PC compatible, all orders for the CP/M system ended and the company went broke. I would rather had a good company like Elecraft than know surprises they have for us. 72 John K1 and KX1 -- John D Young WA8KNE ETC USN retired _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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NO BEANS .......
Sounds like everyone is a happy camper. Forget the new products. I'm about the same vintage as Don. I recall my Dad, W2PZW, never got past his treasured Halicrafters receiver, end fed Zep, and plate modulator .......... that's all the technology he wanted. His best ham buddy had a 40 foot wooden home made tower - and they used to talk up a storm on AM. Sounding like if I want to build something, it might better be another boat. I could start that tomorrow. LOL, Fred N3CSY ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: Spilling the HF beans ..... NEW STUFF
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what fun would it be to go to DAYTON and the
QRP FDIM "four days in May" conference and NOT see the latest new stuff from Elecraft. opportunities such as Dayton ALWAYS have held the initial introduction of BIG NEW PRODUCTS..... companies strive to "get er done" to show at Dayton, whether it be ICOM, or Elecraft....... one of the reasons we make the trek... right ???? bill ny9h _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Mar 3, 2007, at 11:23 AM, John Young wrote: > If my memory is still working I recall Osbone made a very nice CP/M > computer in the dark ages. When the owner announced that the next > model would be IBM PC compatible, all orders for the CP/M system ended > and the company went broke. In the business literature, this is known as the "Osbourne Effect" for this reason. Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: [hidden email] Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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And Bill Gates empire was launched, and IBM got
its first DOS contract from Gates - and IBM's PC was launched. And in 1981 - the whole PC world, as we now know it was started. CP/M was also on the runway - but big blue, killed it at the gate. Supposedly Gates bought the guts of DOS or PC BASIC, from a college friend, for a pittance. Had nothing to do with the Osborne Computer Inc. company. They just happened to be one of several companies; Heath, Osborne, ..... - who at that time ran under CP/M. So I'd call it the Gates effect. N3CSY ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Fred (FL) wrote:
> And Bill Gates empire was launched, and IBM got > its first DOS contract from Gates - and IBM's PC was > launched. And in 1981 - the whole PC world, > as we now know it was started. CP/M was also > on the runway - but big blue, killed it at the > gate. Supposedly Gates bought the guts of DOS > or PC BASIC, from a college friend, for a > pittance. Had nothing to do with the Osborne > Computer Inc. company. They just happened to > be one of several companies; Heath, Osborne, > ..... - who at that time ran under CP/M. So > I'd call it the Gates effect. > > N3CSY IBM came calling to the CP/M folks looking for an OS for the PC. Gary Kildahl blew them off and didn't show for the meeting. IBM went "elsewhere" and the rest was history. > -- > R. Kevin Stover > AC0H > [hidden email] > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Jun 3, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Fred (FL) wrote: > And Bill Gates empire was launched, and IBM got > its first DOS contract from Gates - and IBM's PC was > launched. The way I remember it, IBM decided they wanted a version of CP/M for their new Intel 8086-based system and went to Digital Research. Somehow the folks at DR managed to really annoy the folks from IBM. (I heard it that Gary Kildall's wife wouldn't deal with them because Gary was out-of-town.) So IBM turned to the small company that was supposed to provide the BASIC interpreter for the new "PC": Microsoft. Bill Gates of Microsoft assured IBM that Microsoft had a replacement for CP/M-86 even though they really didn't. (Ah, vapor-ware has been with us for a LONG time.) Microsoft then quickly purchased the rights to a CP/M lookalike called QDOS. That became IBM's PC-DOS which Microsoft then renamed MS-DOS. The rest is history. 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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That's the story I remember. Gates has been great at acquiring other peoples projects and turning them into gold..I'm not sure he's ever actually written a line of code!
Doug W6JD -------------- Original message -------------- From: Brian Lloyd <[hidden email]> > > On Jun 3, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Fred (FL) wrote: > > > And Bill Gates empire was launched, and IBM got > > its first DOS contract from Gates - and IBM's PC was > > launched. > > The way I remember it, IBM decided they wanted a version of CP/M for > their new Intel 8086-based system and went to Digital Research. > Somehow the folks at DR managed to really annoy the folks from IBM. > (I heard it that Gary Kildall's wife wouldn't deal with them because > Gary was out-of-town.) So IBM turned to the small company that was > supposed to provide the BASIC interpreter for the new "PC": Microsoft. > > Bill Gates of Microsoft assured IBM that Microsoft had a replacement > for CP/M-86 even though they really didn't. (Ah, vapor-ware has been > with us for a LONG time.) Microsoft then quickly purchased the rights > to a CP/M lookalike called QDOS. That became IBM's PC-DOS which > Microsoft then renamed MS-DOS. The rest is history. > > 73 de Brian, WB6RQN > Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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It's also worth mention that Bill Gates father is among the best
Intellectual Property attorneys in the country. Bill didn't have the legal bill when beginning his business that many start-ups face. Microsoft like Dolby Labs etc. is all about Intellectual Property. Pete kn6bi -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:55 PM To: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Spilling the HF beans ..... That's the story I remember. Gates has been great at acquiring other peoples projects and turning them into gold..I'm not sure he's ever actually written a line of code! Doug W6JD -------------- Original message -------------- From: Brian Lloyd <[hidden email]> > > On Jun 3, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Fred (FL) wrote: > > > And Bill Gates empire was launched, and IBM got > > its first DOS contract from Gates - and IBM's PC was > > launched. > > The way I remember it, IBM decided they wanted a version of CP/M for > their new Intel 8086-based system and went to Digital Research. > Somehow the folks at DR managed to really annoy the folks from IBM. > (I heard it that Gary Kildall's wife wouldn't deal with them because > Gary was out-of-town.) So IBM turned to the small company that was > supposed to provide the BASIC interpreter for the new "PC": Microsoft. > > Bill Gates of Microsoft assured IBM that Microsoft had a replacement > for CP/M-86 even though they really didn't. (Ah, vapor-ware has been > with us for a LONG time.) Microsoft then quickly purchased the rights > to a CP/M lookalike called QDOS. That became IBM's PC-DOS which > Microsoft then renamed MS-DOS. The rest is history. > > 73 de Brian, WB6RQN > Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com __________ NOD32 2305 (20070601) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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When I worked for Dominion Semiconductor (Toshiba/IBM joint venture) one of
the IBM engineers related that same story to me. Basically Gates didn't have anything but knew where to get it. Even as an 18 year old geek is was a shrewd businessman. Tom kf4yyd > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Brian Lloyd <[hidden email]> > > > > > On Jun 3, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Fred (FL) wrote: > > > > > And Bill Gates empire was launched, and IBM got > > > its first DOS contract from Gates - and IBM's PC was > > > launched. > > > > The way I remember it, IBM decided they wanted a version of CP/M for > > their new Intel 8086-based system and went to Digital Research. > > Somehow the folks at DR managed to really annoy the folks from IBM. > > (I heard it that Gary Kildall's wife wouldn't deal with them because > > Gary was out-of-town.) So IBM turned to the small company that was > > supposed to provide the BASIC interpreter for the new "PC": Microsoft. > > > > Bill Gates of Microsoft assured IBM that Microsoft had a replacement > > for CP/M-86 even though they really didn't. (Ah, vapor-ware has been > > with us for a LONG time.) Microsoft then quickly purchased the rights > > to a CP/M lookalike called QDOS. That became IBM's PC-DOS which > > Microsoft then renamed MS-DOS. The rest is history. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/829 - Release Date: 6/2/2007 5:26 PM _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In a message dated 6/3/07 1:44:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes: > Bill Gates of Microsoft assured IBM that Microsoft had a replacement > for CP/M-86 even though they really didn't. (Ah, vapor-ware has been > with us for a LONG time.) Microsoft then quickly purchased the rights > to a CP/M lookalike called QDOS. That became IBM's PC-DOS which > Microsoft then renamed MS-DOS. The rest is history. > That's the story I heard, too. Microsoft had to do some things to QDOS, particularly writing documentation and following up with later versions, but that's a far cry from developing an OS from the ground up. But for me, the early success of Microsoft was based on some smart business choices by Bill Gates & friends, and by a court decision. The court decision was the one involving Franklin computers, (remember them?) which involved the 'clean room' method of reverse-engineering the IBM-PC's BIOS. The courts made it possible for true IBM-PC compatible clones to be made and sold legally. The smart business choice went like this, as I heard it: IBM did not buy exclusive rights to MS-DOS. Gates could sell DOS to anybody else who wanted it. If a company wanted DOS, they could buy it two ways: 1) Pay a certain fee per copy 2) Pay a fixed fee up front, and then a much lower fee per copy. But the buyer had to agree to include MS-DOS with every computer they made. Other OS's could be included as well, just so long as MS-DOS was part of the deal. The pricing was adjusted so that option 2) was by far the least expensive for the computer makers. This gave Microsoft big bucks upfront from the fixed fees, which was good. But even better, it caused millions of first-time computer buyers to adopt DOS as their default OS, simply because "it came with the computer". 73 de Jim, N2EY ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I can remember when I started writing in assembler for my IBMPC that came
with PCDOS 1.0. The calls to the operating system were exactly like CP/M. All you had to do was load a memory address (I forget which one) with a value that defined the type of system you call you were making and then execute a CALL to address 0004 and away you went. PCDOS 2.0 change all of that. John [K7SVV] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd" <[hidden email]> To: "Fred (FL)" <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Spilling the HF beans ..... > > On Jun 3, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Fred (FL) wrote: > >> And Bill Gates empire was launched, and IBM got >> its first DOS contract from Gates - and IBM's PC was >> launched. > > The way I remember it, IBM decided they wanted a version of CP/M for > their new Intel 8086-based system and went to Digital Research. Somehow > the folks at DR managed to really annoy the folks from IBM. (I heard it > that Gary Kildall's wife wouldn't deal with them because Gary was > out-of-town.) So IBM turned to the small company that was supposed to > provide the BASIC interpreter for the new "PC": Microsoft. > > Bill Gates of Microsoft assured IBM that Microsoft had a replacement for > CP/M-86 even though they really didn't. (Ah, vapor-ware has been with us > for a LONG time.) Microsoft then quickly purchased the rights to a CP/M > lookalike called QDOS. That became IBM's PC-DOS which Microsoft then > renamed MS-DOS. The rest is history. > > 73 de Brian, WB6RQN > Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: > 269.8.7/829 - Release Date: 6/2/2007 5:26 PM > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I know I must be missing something. I see this thread going on and on. I note
Eric hasn't jumped on it and ordered its termination, so it must have a relationship to Elecraft, or at least Ham Radio, but I am too dumb to see it. Is the K3 going to have MSDOS built in? Did Bill Gates design the K3 software? Is Bill Gates buying Elecraft? Inquiring minds want to know. -- --- _ _ _ _ _ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ http://www.blurty.com/users/w2agn check out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QRPariahs/ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Bill Gates has written lots of code. He is (or at least was) a truly
outstanding programmer. Years ago he was known to review code, find something he didn't like and call up the programmer and give 'em hell. MS Programmers have also been known to suddenly receive bonuses as stock options because Bill liked their code. The very highest status a programmer could hope to achieve was having been recognized by Bill in this way. Also, PC-DOS has always been on the market. In fact you can still buy a copy (version 8.0). It has always been maintained separately from MS-DOS since its inception. A significant portion of PC-DOS was (and still is) strictly blue-code. Bill bought QDOS for $40,000 cash and some vague promises about further deals. Many, many companies have looked back at their dealings with Bill and realized they've been had. BigTime. The dirty dealings with IBM are by far the worst thing on Bill's list of dirty tricks and double-crosses. 73, Doug -- K0DXV [hidden email] wrote: > That's the story I remember. Gates has been great at acquiring other peoples projects and turning them into gold..I'm not sure he's ever actually written a line of code! > > Doug > W6JD > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Brian Lloyd <[hidden email]> > > >> On Jun 3, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Fred (FL) wrote: >> >> >>> And Bill Gates empire was launched, and IBM got >>> its first DOS contract from Gates - and IBM's PC was >>> launched. >>> >> The way I remember it, IBM decided they wanted a version of CP/M for >> their new Intel 8086-based system and went to Digital Research. >> Somehow the folks at DR managed to really annoy the folks from IBM. >> (I heard it that Gary Kildall's wife wouldn't deal with them because >> Gary was out-of-town.) So IBM turned to the small company that was >> supposed to provide the BASIC interpreter for the new "PC": Microsoft. >> >> Bill Gates of Microsoft assured IBM that Microsoft had a replacement >> for CP/M-86 even though they really didn't. (Ah, vapor-ware has been >> with us for a LONG time.) Microsoft then quickly purchased the rights >> to a CP/M lookalike called QDOS. That became IBM's PC-DOS which >> Microsoft then renamed MS-DOS. The rest is history. >> >> 73 de Brian, WB6RQN >> Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, W2AGN wrote:
> I know I must be missing something. I see this thread going on and on. I note > Eric hasn't jumped on it and ordered its termination, so it must have a > relationship to Elecraft, or at least Ham Radio, but I am too dumb to see it. You need to open your horizons John > > Is the K3 going to have MSDOS built in? You may specify Windows or Linux > > Did Bill Gates design the K3 software? No, but he gets a royalty. > > Is Bill Gates buying Elecraft? Rumor has it that the deposits for the K3 will be used to nuy Microsoft. Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/ Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Thom LaCosta wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jun 2007, W2AGN wrote: > >> I know I must be missing something. I see this thread going on and on. >> I note Eric hasn't jumped on it and ordered its termination, so it >> must have a relationship to Elecraft, or at least Ham Radio, but I am >> too dumb to see it. > > You need to open your horizons John >> >> Is the K3 going to have MSDOS built in? > > You may specify Windows or Linux > >> >> Did Bill Gates design the K3 software? > > No, but he gets a royalty. > >> >> Is Bill Gates buying Elecraft? > > Rumor has it that the deposits for the K3 will be used to nuy Microsoft. > > > Thom,EIEIO I wasn't really complaining. I just am trying to figure out what is considered "off-topic" and what is not. It appears to be a perplexing puzzle on many email reflectors. I have determined that a topic will be quashed as "off-topic" IF: 1. It expresses an opinion contrary to that of the list owner/moderator. 2. It criticizes a "Scared Cow" such as ARRL, etc. 3. It upsets someone enough that they send complaints to the list owner/moderator, thereby causing him work. 4. It is initiated/continued by an individual who is viewed as a "troublemaker." There must be others I haven't figured out yet. --- _ _ _ _ _ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ http://www.blurty.com/users/w2agn Member screwed by QRP-ARCI! http://w2agn.net/noarci.html _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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