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Tom Skinner
Hello Group,

Please excuse this slightly OT post.

Since my LASIK, my close up vision has tanked, and before I tackle the K2 I
need a really good swing arm magnifier - looking at the type that has a ring
fluorescent lamp around it - but that's not an absolute requirement.

I've had poor ones in the past and they are a pain to keep stationary. I
can't find anything in local stores and while I have no problem ordering one
over the internet, it's difficult to winnow the wheat from the chaff.

Anyone got any leads on good ones?

Thanks es 73

Tom, W3QS

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Re: Swing Arm Magnifiers -OT

Vic K2VCO
Tom Skinner wrote:

>  I
> need a really good swing arm magnifier - looking at the type that has a ring
> fluorescent lamp around it - but that's not an absolute requirement.
>
> I've had poor ones in the past and they are a pain to keep stationary. I
> can't find anything in local stores and while I have no problem ordering one
> over the internet, it's difficult to winnow the wheat from the chaff.

I've whiled away countless hours in fabric stores with the XYL, and they often
have such things at reasonable prices.  They also sell lamps that supposedly
have a daylight spectrum so that you can see true colors, which I suspect might
help with color-coded parts.

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Re: Swing Arm Magnifiers -OT

zeke7237
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You might want to consider Optivisors (no connection) .. very
comfortable, interchangable lenses, relatively inexpensive. I hate
fluorescent light, a halogen plus Optivisors is cheaper and you can
use light and optics seperately ..

de John/W1RT

On 5/4/05, Tom Skinner <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello Group,
>
> Please excuse this slightly OT post.
>
> Since my LASIK, my close up vision has tanked, and before I tackle the K2 I
> need a really good swing arm magnifier - looking at the type that has a ring
> fluorescent lamp around it - but that's not an absolute requirement.
>
> I've had poor ones in the past and they are a pain to keep stationary. I
> can't find anything in local stores and while I have no problem ordering one
> over the internet, it's difficult to winnow the wheat from the chaff.
>
> Anyone got any leads on good ones?
>
> Thanks es 73
>
> Tom, W3QS
>
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Re: Swing Arm Magnifiers -OT

KK7P
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> ...before I tackle the K2 I
> need a really good swing arm magnifier - looking at the type that has a ring
> fluorescent lamp around it - but that's not an absolute requirement.

I have never had good luck with these, and long ago I settled on the
Optivisor with "5" (diopter?) lensplate.  They cost about $29 and are
easy to find at this price with a web search.  I also have some $10
knock-offs, but they aren't nearly as good.

YMMV

Lyle KK7P

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Re: Swing Arm Magnifiers -OT

k0wa@swbell.net
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I agree with the Optivisor type of device.  I have
both and I love the Optivisor.  I do not use the swing
arm magnifying unit now except for a light source.  I
get so use to it that I forget to take it off and
several times my wife has burst out in laughter when I
come in from the shack with the Optivisor on my head.

Picked one up for very cheap at Dayton two years ago.

Lee - k0WA


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RE: Swing Arm Magnifiers -OT

EricJ-2
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One problem with Optivisors is being able to TRY one first. They come with a
range of magnifications, and what SEEMS to be the best, may not be for YOU.
I would not order one on the Internet until I had tried it first. Plus, the
interchangeable lenses are EXPENSIVE. The Optivisor with one lens (any
magnification) is in the $40+ range. A different lens pack is almost another
$30 so you really want to be right the first time.

Also, not everyone finds them comfortable. I don't. I hate to wear hats,
too, so I might just be more sensitive to this issue. After a short time, I
feel like my head is in a vice. Again, you gotta try it first. Also when you
need to look up at something else, you have to flip them out of the way or
take them off. With a lighted magnifier, I can just look away and I'm on my
regular glasses.

I use a magifier with circular flourescent bulb. I don't object to
flourescent bulbs, but some do. You gotta try it for yourself. Mine sayss
"LTS" on it. I've had it for 15 or 20 years. It's pretty heavy duty compared
to the ones I saw at Harbor Freight. It stays put, but can be moved easily
which you will do often. I like it 'cuz I can still wear my regular reading
glasses, where I usually have to take my reading glasses off to use my
optical visor.

Heh heh. Optical visor. Oh yeah. I have one. I bought a "Made Somewhere in
China" ripoff of the Optivisor at Harbor Freight for something like 5 bucks.
I wouldn't recommend it at all. If you find you like an optical visor, get
the real thing. However, when I am inspecting SMD solder joints, I use this
thing with the little flip-down loup. Then I take it off before I get a
splitting headache.

I'm not touting one way over the other. I'm saying, try it. Don't buy on the
Internet unless you know what you are getting and it is suitable for you.

Eric
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To: Tom Skinner
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Swing Arm Magnifiers -OT

You might want to consider Optivisors (no connection) .. very comfortable,
interchangable lenses, relatively inexpensive. I hate fluorescent light, a
halogen plus Optivisors is cheaper and you can use light and optics
seperately ..

de John/W1RT

On 5/4/05, Tom Skinner <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hello Group,
>
> Please excuse this slightly OT post.
>
> Since my LASIK, my close up vision has tanked, and before I tackle the
> K2 I need a really good swing arm magnifier - looking at the type that
> has a ring fluorescent lamp around it - but that's not an absolute
requirement.
>
> I've had poor ones in the past and they are a pain to keep stationary.
> I can't find anything in local stores and while I have no problem
> ordering one over the internet, it's difficult to winnow the wheat from
the chaff.

>
> Anyone got any leads on good ones?
>
> Thanks es 73
>
> Tom, W3QS
>
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RE: Swing Arm Magnifiers -OT

Craig Rairdin
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> Since my LASIK, my close up vision has tanked, and before I tackle the K2
> I need a really good swing arm magnifier

Skip the fourescent and go for a daylight spectrum bulb in an articulating
arm lamp. I use clip on magnifying lenses that clip to my reading glasses.
For most a lot of the building activity I can look "under" the magnifying
lenses to see through the reading glasses. When I need the magnification
it's right there. No problems reading the numbers on those tiny glass
diodes.

Craig
NZ0R
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RE: Swing Arm Magnifiers -OT

Ron D'Eau Claire-2
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This is equally off of your request Tom but have you considered an
OptiVisor? (http://tinyurl.com/d5gwe)

I've suffered the swing-arm magnifiers like you, but I find an OptiVisor far
superior to even the best swing-arm magnifiers. I have used an OptiVisor
with a 4-diopter lens set in it for over 20 years now!

Ron AC7AC


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RE: Swing Arm Magnifiers -OT

Don Wilhelm-3
Tom,

I normally don't use magnification except for really small stuff and
examining boards,  but my experience has not been good with the swing arm
magnifiers - if they are of sufficient power to do any good, I find I cannot
hold the soldering iron under them and work.  Many OptiVisors suffer from
the same problem for me, but I do use a knockoff with lens stamped "3" which
gives me a 12 to 14 inch working distance - that does work for me.

73,
Don W3FPR

> -----Original Message-----
>
> This is equally off of your request Tom but have you considered an
> OptiVisor? (http://tinyurl.com/d5gwe)
>
> I've suffered the swing-arm magnifiers like you, but I find an
> OptiVisor far
> superior to even the best swing-arm magnifiers. I have used an OptiVisor
> with a 4-diopter lens set in it for over 20 years now!
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
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Changing the power of an OptiVisor

Ron D'Eau Claire-2
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Several people mentioned the issue of getting the right magnification with
an OptiVisor. I found mine in an Hobby store, so I was able to try them on.

You can vary the magnification without buying new lenses. Like most of us
over 40-something, I have "presbyopia" (old eyes) that won't focus up close
any longer so I wear reading glasses. They work very well under the
OptiVisor. In fact, it's designed for them. I have a 4 diopter lens in my
OptiVisor, and I add or remove my reading glasses as needed for more or less
power. If you have bifocals or graduated lenses, you can get graduated
magnifying power the same way!

If you don't need glasses, reading glasses are available in drug stores,
book stores, etc. that will do the trick. Get good ones that have decent
lenses. Ignore the looks from the clerks as you try them on under the
OptiVisor in the store!

Ron AC7AC


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RE: Swing Arm Magnifiers -OT

Gary Thurmond
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I have used several "Swing Arm Magnifier" for about thirty years.
Like them very much. Built several Downeast Microwave SMT projects and
my KX1. Can't solder without it.
The mechanical sturdiness of some is less than desired. I found that the
use of a little Kentucky Windage puts it right on the spot when swinging
it back to the work position.
You get use to this and soon it becomes as automatic as using any other
hand tool.
I like the previous suggestion of using a Day Light bulb to help read
the new funny colors on resistors.

My second use of the Illuminated Magnifier is for taking close up
documentation photos of  PC boards and other small objects that need
oblique uniform illumination.
Just put the automatic digital camera (flash off) to the center of the
magnifier, frame the object in the LCD viewer and shoot the picture.
Almost always the lighting is perfect and no strong reflection of light
from the flat metal surfaces.

73,  Gary  W6STR


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RE: Swing Arm Magnifiers -OT

srife
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        Luxo is probably one of the better ones. As I remember, prices are
around a hundred bucks for a decent one.

Stan Rife
W5EWA
Houston, TX
K2 S/N 4216
 

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Subject: [Elecraft] Swing Arm Magnifiers -OT

Hello Group,

Please excuse this slightly OT post.

Since my LASIK, my close up vision has tanked, and before I tackle the K2 I
need a really good swing arm magnifier - looking at the type that has a ring
fluorescent lamp around it - but that's not an absolute requirement.

I've had poor ones in the past and they are a pain to keep stationary. I
can't find anything in local stores and while I have no problem ordering one
over the internet, it's difficult to winnow the wheat from the chaff.

Anyone got any leads on good ones?

Thanks es 73

Tom, W3QS

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RE: Swing Arm Magnifiers -OT

aa7jc
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Ebay has a couple of stores for us blinding folks..  Gotta love perfection!

"Precision*World" and "The Microscope Store"

Something on the order of Ebay Item number 7511214006 would be VERY useful..

After having looked through a set, I am excited how good it can get.
SMT kits are showing up and I have already built a few (from AMQRP).

In the mean time here in the real world, I use an Optivisor with #10 lens
(3.5X) and a halogen lamp for every single solder joint.   I have a pair of
Optivisors with #4 lens as well but I use the #10 set 99% of the time.
Vision is priceless..   If my soldering iron is hot, the Optivisors are on
my head ready to be used.  Here in AZ I have to be careful if I walk
outdoors with them flipped up (HI).  Twice now they caught the sun while
sitting on the kitchen table and I have the burn marks to prove it!

Ken Lotts
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Re: Changing the power of an OptiVisor

Thom LaCosta
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On Wed, 4 May 2005, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

>
> If you don't need glasses, reading glasses are available in drug stores,
> book stores, etc. that will do the trick.

At a buck a pair....buy a selection of strengths.


> lenses. Ignore the looks from the clerks as you try them on under the
> OptiVisor in the store!

But be very careful that you do not make Darth Vader-like noises while
wearing the Optivisor.

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RE: Swing Arm Magnifiers - OT

Tom Hammond-3
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Gotta agree with most of the posts here... regardless of whether I use a
MagniFocuser (my personal preference) or an Optivisor, I find the
head-mounted magnifier to be MUCH more suitable for my particular type of
building than the swing-arm-type lighted magnifiers... T

he swing-arm maggies just always seem to be in the wrong place every time I
need to use them, and always in the way when I don't need them at that
instant. They also seem to tend to be 'jiggley' and never remain as stable
as I need them to be. As a result, I've never found a swing-arm maggie
(with all due respect to K3XS <G>) that I've liked or found to be useful in
my personal manner of building.

Regarding magnification level...

I recently bought a second head-mounted (MagniFocuser) magnifier. This one
was a bit 'hotter' (#10 lens, 3.50X) than my venerable older one (#7 lens,
2.75X) of about 25 years. What I found when I put it on, however was that I
kept trying to solder my nose!!!  I found the 3.50X lens has a focal length
of 4", while the 2.75X lens has a focal length of 6", which put the nose
and soldering iron at much safer distances between each other!!!

I now use the 3.50X lens for close-up examination, and the 2.75X lens for
building... MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE.

What I'd REALLY LIKE is one of those eyeglasses with the specially mounted
lens magnifier which allows for relatively high magnification (say, 3.5X),
BUT at a longer focal length... say 10" - 12" instead of risking more 'nose
branding' by the soldering iron tip.  But all of those I've found are much
too costly for my
cheapskate wallet.

73,

Tom Hammond   N0SS

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RE: Changing the power of an OptiVisor

EricJ-2
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Good luck finding them for a "buck a pair". More like $12-20/pair. Even at
that, they are relatively inexpensive. I use them all the time.

Eric
KE6US

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On Wed, 4 May 2005, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

>
> If you don't need glasses, reading glasses are available in drug
> stores, book stores, etc. that will do the trick.

At a buck a pair....buy a selection of strengths.


> lenses. Ignore the looks from the clerks as you try them on under the
> OptiVisor in the store!

But be very careful that you do not make Darth Vader-like noises while
wearing the Optivisor.

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RE: Changing the power of an OptiVisor

Thom LaCosta
On Thu, 5 May 2005, EricJ wrote:

> Good luck finding them for a "buck a pair". More like $12-20/pair. Even at
> that, they are relatively inexpensive. I use them all the time.

Most of the dollar store chains carry reading glasses.  Dollar Tree usually has
Foster Grants for a buck.

My eye doctor has yet to find a pair that I get for a dollar that he cand find
as bad, and encourages folks who don't need corrections for astigmatisim(sp?) to
try the dollar glasses.

At a buck a pair, I have pairs all over the place, the car, my Mom's, My
Daughter's....and when I sit on one or loose them, I can't get upset.

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RE: Swing Arm Magnifiers -OT

Bill Johnson-10
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I also did Lasik, and at my age, I went to the drug store and tested the
"reading" glasses that worked best and I found the 2.0 - 2.5 do the job for
soldering.  I am selling off some used tuners to make room for the T1!  Or,
perhaps its time to sell serial #35 and build the next unit, just to build
again.

Bill
 
K9YEQ
 
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Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Swing Arm Magnifiers -OT

> Since my LASIK, my close up vision has tanked, and before I tackle the K2
> I need a really good swing arm magnifier

Skip the fourescent and go for a daylight spectrum bulb in an articulating
arm lamp. I use clip on magnifying lenses that clip to my reading glasses.
For most a lot of the building activity I can look "under" the magnifying
lenses to see through the reading glasses. When I need the magnification
it's right there. No problems reading the numbers on those tiny glass
diodes.

Craig
NZ0R
K1 #1966

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RE: Swing Arm Magnifiers - OT

Harvey, Stephen P.
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I got one of these about 6 mos. Ago.  It is excellent, with 4 interchangeable pairs of lenses in two mounts that can be flipped up or down in combination to provide varying magnifications.  The only problem is the *current* price.  When I bought, it cost $17.50, including shipping.  Maybe they'll have another special sometime.

http://www.seelarger.com/magnifiers/headvisorwc.htm

BTW, I agree about the benefits of a visor over a swing arm magnifier.  My bench is cluttered enough with obstacles and I don't need to insert another one between me and my target.

73 de NNĂ˜B

--Steve




 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Hammond [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 06:57
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Swing Arm Magnifiers - OT

Gotta agree with most of the posts here... regardless of whether I use a MagniFocuser (my personal preference) or an Optivisor, I find the head-mounted magnifier to be MUCH more suitable for my particular type of building than the swing-arm-type lighted magnifiers... T

he swing-arm maggies just always seem to be in the wrong place every time I need to use them, and always in the way when I don't need them at that instant. They also seem to tend to be 'jiggley' and never remain as stable as I need them to be. As a result, I've never found a swing-arm maggie (with all due respect to K3XS <G>) that I've liked or found to be useful in my personal manner of building.

Regarding magnification level...

I recently bought a second head-mounted (MagniFocuser) magnifier. This one was a bit 'hotter' (#10 lens, 3.50X) than my venerable older one (#7 lens,
2.75X) of about 25 years. What I found when I put it on, however was that I kept trying to solder my nose!!!  I found the 3.50X lens has a focal length of 4", while the 2.75X lens has a focal length of 6", which put the nose and soldering iron at much safer distances between each other!!!

I now use the 3.50X lens for close-up examination, and the 2.75X lens for building... MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE.

What I'd REALLY LIKE is one of those eyeglasses with the specially mounted lens magnifier which allows for relatively high magnification (say, 3.5X), BUT at a longer focal length... say 10" - 12" instead of risking more 'nose branding' by the soldering iron tip.  But all of those I've found are much too costly for my cheapskate wallet.

73,

Tom Hammond   N0SS




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