Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation

[Tom K4AEN]

I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on the legalities?

Thanks.

Tom
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[Ken Alexander-2]

Hi Tom,

My first reaction is that they won’t charge you anything unless you plan on selling it there, i.e., you’re not importing it.  If it’s your personal property and you’re taking it home with you it’s the same as all the other things you’re bringing with you.

Of greater importance is knowing about licensing agreements and what you need to know to legally operate from Italy.

Others may know better, but that’s my take on it.

73,

Ken Alexander
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> On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Tom Morehouse <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on the legalities?
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> Tom
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[Peter Lambert]

You should have a copy of your license with you that should be marked with something like "This license accords with the requirements of the European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administration (CEPT)".  This should be printed on all US licenses.  I'd also carry a copy of the relevant documentation for the countries you're visiting that indicates that they're a signatory to CPET requirement and allow foreign visitors with reciprocal CEPT licensing arrangements just in case you do get quizzed by someone.

Apart from that, if you’re a casual visitor (on holidays or don’t have heaps of stamps for the country you're visiting in your passport) it'll be seen as personal property.

It should go in you packed baggage.  Some places get very funny about radio equipment in carry-on luggage.  It's definite no no in the middle east where you could easily find yourself under interrogation if it's found.

73's Peter VK4JD

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation

Hi Tom,

My first reaction is that they won’t charge you anything unless you plan on selling it there, i.e., you’re not importing it.  If it’s your personal property and you’re taking it home with you it’s the same as all the other things you’re bringing with you.

Of greater importance is knowing about licensing agreements and what you need to know to legally operate from Italy.

Others may know better, but that’s my take on it.

73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Tom Morehouse <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on the legalities?
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> Thanks.
>
> Tom
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[Pierfrancesco Caci]

On 29 August 2015 05:56:38 CEST, Peter Lambert <[hidden email]> wrote:

>You should have a copy of your license with you that should be marked
>with something like "This license accords with the requirements of the
>European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administration
>(CEPT)".  This should be printed on all US licenses.  I'd also carry a
>copy of the relevant documentation for the countries you're visiting
>that indicates that they're a signatory to CPET requirement and allow
>foreign visitors with reciprocal CEPT licensing arrangements just in
>case you do get quizzed by someone.
>
>Apart from that, if you’re a casual visitor (on holidays or don’t have
>heaps of stamps for the country you're visiting in your passport) it'll
>be seen as personal property.
>
>It should go in you packed baggage.  Some places get very funny about
>radio equipment in carry-on luggage.  It's definite no no in the middle
>east where you could easily find yourself under interrogation if it's
>found.
>
>73's Peter VK4JD

There will be no import duties as it is personal property. If you want to be extra cautious, bring a copy of your purchase receipt, but my bet is you will not be questioned at all, just exit the green nothing to declare lane and be happy.

I would definitely NOT put it in the shipped luggage. Put it in a backpack and keep it with you in cabin. Especially if you arrive in Rome airport.

Have some alkaline batteries with you
in case security at departure asks you to turn it on. Remember that you can't put lithium batteries in shipped luggage, and there are restrictions on what you can have in cabin (size, type acceptance).

When operating in Italy, have your license with you along with your passport, in case some nosey passer by calls city police on you.

Have fun

Pf
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Pierfrancesco Caci

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[Doug Turnbull]

Hi Tom,
    I have travelled to Italy on two occasions by plane with my KX3.   I
will be going to IT9 land later this autumn.

     Take your license with you.   I always take my original license not a
copy.   Have your passport but whilst travelling around in Italy/Europe keep
your passport in the hotel safe and carry a photocopy with you of the main
passport identity page.  

     I have travelled with the KX3 always with Lithium batteries inside and
never had any problem!   My understanding is that these batteries are okay
in equipment they are used with but should not be carried separately.   Keep
you lithium batteries in the radio.    I travel around Europe plus to and
from the States on a pretty regular basis and have never had any trouble
with KX3 in carry on or luggage.    I like to pack my KX3 into the luggage
though I have also taken it in my carry on.   If the KX3 is in the luggage
there is even less of a hold up at security if there is any holdup at all.
Both ways have always been just fine.   Okay maybe Rome airport could be a
problem but I have not had any trouble anywhere with theft and this includes
JFK once infamous but seemingly fine these days.

      Take a European to North American power adaptor with you.   I use a
small MFJ-4103 power supply originally made for the FT817 but fine for the
KX3.   Being a switching supply it runs from 100 to 240 VAC at 50 or 60 Hz.


      I like to use an AlexLoop whilst travelling but this is not a big
issue.   Pack the antenna in your main luggage.

      You are going to have a good time and you have nothing to be losing
sleep over.   Chill out and have pleasant dreams of good food, warm weather,
good wine, wonderful culture, great scenery and beautiful people.   Enjoy!

              73 Doug EI2CN  

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Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation

I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a
consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on
the legalities?

Thanks.

Tom
K4AEN

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[Doug Turnbull]

Tom,
    Besides what I wrote previously you might go to the A.R.I Italian ARRL
website and print out their instructions for reciprocal operation in Italy.
Your prefix will change depending on where you are operating from in Italy.
It is also handy to have this even if in English in your possession.   I
have never been questioned but this gives you an additional piece of paper.

               73 Doug EI2CN

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Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation

I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a
consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on
the legalities?

Thanks.

Tom
K4AEN

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[Ian]

CEPT is pretty easy, see http://www.arrl.org/us-amateurs-operating-overseas
73, Ian N8IK


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Tom,
    Besides what I wrote previously you might go to the A.R.I Italian ARRL
website and print out their instructions for reciprocal operation in Italy.
Your prefix will change depending on where you are operating from in Italy.
It is also handy to have this even if in English in your possession.   I
have never been questioned but this gives you an additional piece of paper.

               73 Doug EI2CN

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Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 to Italy on vacation

I was planning to take my KX3 to Italy next week on vacation, but a
consideration of import duties gives me pause.  Does any have knowledge on
the legalities?

Thanks.

Tom
K4AEN

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[Tom K4AEN]

Mille grazie- Thanks to all who responded. Good advice - I think I have everything necessary - and hope to see you on the air!  

A week in Piemonte and a week in Umbria with wonderful people, food, wine and ham radio!

73

Tom
K4AEN


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[Brian Hunt]

You should take a copy of your purchase receipt with you. That way it won't be questioned when you come home. I've never had a problem but I always carry the receipts for high value camera equipment.

Have a great trip!
73,
Brian, K0DTJ
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[Edward R Cole]

Two things:
1.  Good idea to have proof of purchase that has date.  Not for
traveling abroad but so you can show upon re-entry to the US at
Customs, previous ownership and prove its not something you bought in
Italy.  Ele-craft sounds pretty Italian to me.
2.  Do not put in checked luggage.  Read the fine print from US
airlines "do not place valuables like jewelry, cash, or electronics
in checked luggage (there is no coverage for such items in checked
luggage).  I had a brand new DEMI item bought at a conference stolen
from my luggage and was told they would not compensate me for
electronics.  Fortunately it was hdwr and an enclosure kit which I
convinced them to pay me...took six months.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
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