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Mike Markowski-2

Re: The 1500 watt amp

Jer & Fred,

You're right from a certain point of view. But also consider more
generally that it's about link budget; maximize gains, minimize losses.
How much of each a ham can do comes down to money & motivation within
lifestyle (& FCC!) constraints.

73,
Mike ab3ap

On 08/01/2016 01:47 PM, Fred Moore wrote:

> I'm with you Jer..
>
> I always wonder that some of you guys "cost/QSO" is.. it only a hobby,
> [...]
>
> Fred
>
>
> On 8/1/16 9:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
>> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help receive.
>> [...]
>>
>> Just my view.
>> Jer

Ken G Kopp

Re: Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp

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I have no interest in a 1500W amp ... even one made by Elecraft.

73

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Re: Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

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Wayne, if it turns out to be a survey, put me down for a NO vote. I run my station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas. I’m surprised they don’t vaporize as it is with the 500 watts or so coming out of my KPA500 - on the rare occasions when I do run QRO!

Jim / W6JHB

(p.s. - and another reason for a no vote is that I’d be talking in a much higher tone if I told my XYL (KF6ZNT) if I was gonna buy a big buck amp!)

> On Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at Monday, 9:55 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
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>
> On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going again on a big amp.
>> Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's you could sell in the market as it is today.
>>
>> 73
>> Arie PA3A
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

Another strong NO.

Phil W7OX

On 8/1/16 11:23 AM, James Bennett wrote:

> Wayne, if it turns out to be a survey, put me down for a NO vote. I run my station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas. I’m surprised they don’t vaporize as it is with the 500 watts or so coming out of my KPA500 - on the rare occasions when I do run QRO!
>
> Jim / W6JHB
>
> (p.s. - and another reason for a no vote is that I’d be talking in a much higher tone if I told my XYL (KF6ZNT) if I was gonna buy a big buck amp!)
>
>
>
>> On Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at Monday, 9:55 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead.
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going again on a big amp.
>>> Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's you could sell in the market as it is today.
>>>
>>> 73
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James Austin

Re: Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

No for me, thinking about a KXPA100 in the near future, but that will be
plenty for my needs.

Jim KA2RVO

On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Another strong NO.
>
> Phil W7OX
>
> On 8/1/16 11:23 AM, James Bennett wrote:
>
>> Wayne, if it turns out to be a survey, put me down for a NO vote. I run
>> my station in a HOA/CCR neighborhood and use thin, stealthy wire antennas.
>> I’m surprised they don’t vaporize as it is with the 500 watts or so coming
>> out of my KPA500 - on the rare occasions when I do run QRO!
>>
>> Jim / W6JHB
>>
>> (p.s. - and another reason for a no vote is that I’d be talking in a much
>> higher tone if I told my XYL (KF6ZNT) if I was gonna buy a big buck amp!)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at Monday, 9:55 AM, Wayne Burdick <
>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think that crowdfunding a KPA1500 would help to get Elecraft going
>>>> again on a big amp.
>>>> Crowdfunding would also give a good indication on how many KPA1500's
>>>> you could sell in the market as it is today.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Arie PA3A
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Bill-3

Re: Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

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A 500 Watt station suits my needs well. I will not be purchasing a
larger amplifier.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Ken Arck

Re: Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

I'll just throw this out there

What ever happened to the Ham Spirit of rolling your own? With the
new MOSFETS devices out, it is not that expensive (nor difficult) to
"roll your own"

Here's what I did for 6 & 2 meters:

http://ah6le.net/index.php/vhf-solid-state-kilowatts

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EricJ-2

Re: The 1500 watt amp

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Ha ha. Yeah. Like I said, same as in life.

Eric KE6US

On 8/1/2016 9:54 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> I wrote an epic poem on this subject :) See:
>
> http://www.qsotoday.com/n6kr-poetry.html
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2016, at 9:04 AM, EricJ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> The point is dominance. If you are the strongest signal, the DX hears you better. If you are the strongest, you hear the DX better because everyone else stands by until you make the contact and go away. I lived among the legendary California Kilowatts when I was a DXer. Letting them in and letting them chat about their vacation at that location with the DX because they could was the only way you could work the DX eventually yourself. Same as in life.
>>
>> Eric KE6US
>>
>>
>> On 8/1/2016 6:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
>>> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help receive.
>>> My whole Ham life I've been told to put the money into antennas, better
>>> feedlines, and a better receiver.
>>> If you are a skilled operator then you'll make the contact if band
>>> conditions permit.
>>> Doing the math I really don't see why anyone "needs" an amp past
>>> 500-600watts. Maybe on 60/160?
>>> If a QRP /Low power station can make the contact but you can't then maybe
>>> you need to ask for help getting your station optimized a bit better.
>>> Just my view.
>>> I used to run an SB220 and loved it when I made the contact. I later came to
>>> resent Ops I heard running power just to get over the pileup.
>>> I sold the Amp and don't regret it for a minute. If I were to get another
>>> amp the math shows 500w to be the sweet spot, however, I have so much
>>> opportunity to improve feedlines and antenna it doesn't makes sense to run
>>> power at this time.
>>>
>>> Just my view.
>>> Jer
>>>
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Deni F5VJC

Re: The 1500 watt amp

Why hasn't this thread been terminated? It's getting boring now. Much more
interesting threads are quickly closed.

There is no 1500W Amp guys.

73 F5VJC

On 1 August 2016 at 21:56, EricJ <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Ha ha. Yeah. Like I said, same as in life.
>
> Eric KE6US
>
>
>
> On 8/1/2016 9:54 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>
>> I wrote an epic poem on this subject :) See:
>>
>> http://www.qsotoday.com/n6kr-poetry.html
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2016, at 9:04 AM, EricJ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> The point is dominance. If you are the strongest signal, the DX hears you
>>> better. If you are the strongest, you hear the DX better because everyone
>>> else stands by until you make the contact and go away. I lived among the
>>> legendary California Kilowatts when I was a DXer. Letting them in and
>>> letting them chat about their vacation at that location with the DX because
>>> they could was the only way you could work the DX eventually yourself. Same
>>> as in life.
>>>
>>> Eric KE6US
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/1/2016 6:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help
>>>> receive.
>>>> My whole Ham life I've been told to put the money into antennas, better
>>>> feedlines, and a better receiver.
>>>> If you are a skilled operator then you'll make the contact if band
>>>> conditions permit.
>>>> Doing the math I really don't see why anyone "needs" an amp past
>>>> 500-600watts. Maybe on 60/160?
>>>> If a QRP /Low power station can make the contact but you can't then
>>>> maybe
>>>> you need to ask for help getting your station optimized a bit better.
>>>> Just my view.
>>>> I used to run an SB220 and loved it when I made the contact. I later
>>>> came to
>>>> resent Ops I heard running power just to get over the pileup.
>>>> I sold the Amp and don't regret it for a minute. If I were to get
>>>> another
>>>> amp the math shows 500w to be the sweet spot, however, I have so much
>>>> opportunity to improve feedlines and antenna it doesn't makes sense to
>>>> run
>>>> power at this time.
>>>>
>>>> Just my view.
>>>> Jer
>>>>
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EricJ

Re: Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

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Nice work, Ken. On the amps and the cars. I was wondering the same thing
about "rolling your own". I suggested that doctor who said he could
build pretty much what he wanted could build the enclosure. He owns an
electronic lab which builds his stuff and farms the enclosures out to
another professional. Not sure subcontracting is the Ham Spirit, but
we're all in this hobby for different reasons.

Eric KE6US

On 8/1/2016 12:21 PM, Ken Arck wrote:

> I'll just throw this out there
>
> What ever happened to the Ham Spirit of rolling your own? With the new
> MOSFETS devices out, it is not that expensive (nor difficult) to "roll
> your own"
>
> Here's what I did for 6 & 2 meters:
>
> http://ah6le.net/index.php/vhf-solid-state-kilowatts
>
> Ken
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> President and CTO - Arcom Communications
> Makers of repeater controllers and accessories.
> http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/
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Jerry Moore

Re: The 1500 watt amp

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We just differ in opinion and I’m happy for everyone to enjoy the hobby as they are able. The issues I see is where the Amateur code is broken. Just listen on DX pileups sometime and you’ll hear guys that really make us look bad as a community.

About the only time I can imagine someone needing power is perhaps a DX station but that’s IF they can actually hear.
Doing the math I am probably missing something because I don’t see much of a gain from 500w to 1.5kw into the same antenna system.
From memory 500w to 1k is 3db and 1k to 1.5kw is 1.5 db, so 500w to 1.5kw is 4.5db
6db is 1 S unit (from memory) so running a 1.5kw amp gives just less than 1 S unit.

Now start factoring up the DB gain/loss for antennas/feedline.

Which gives the best bang for the buck??

Maybe I’m just slow. Seems to me a nice, instant on 500w solid state with quality low loss feed line into a matched antenna should rock and roll.

This thread should probably die.

Enjoy the hobby as you wish. Just know any station who worked em with less power just owned you regardless of your budget 😊

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From: Mike Markowski
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp

Jer & Fred,

You're right from a certain point of view. But also consider more
generally that it's about link budget; maximize gains, minimize losses.
How much of each a ham can do comes down to money & motivation within
lifestyle (& FCC!) constraints.

73,
Mike ab3ap

On 08/01/2016 01:47 PM, Fred Moore wrote:

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N2TK

Re: The 1500 watt amp

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Wayne,
It is nice you were able to write a couple poems based on your own
experience with QRP :-)
Do I detect another hobby or stress reliever?

73,
N2TK, Tony

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The 1500 watt amp

I wrote an epic poem on this subject :) See:

http://www.qsotoday.com/n6kr-poetry.html

Wayne
N6KR

On Aug 1, 2016, at 9:04 AM, EricJ <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The point is dominance. If you are the strongest signal, the DX hears you
better. If you are the strongest, you hear the DX better because everyone
else stands by until you make the contact and go away. I lived among the
legendary California Kilowatts when I was a DXer. Letting them in and
letting them chat about their vacation at that location with the DX because
they could was the only way you could work the DX eventually yourself. Same
as in life.
>
> Eric KE6US
>
>
> On 8/1/2016 6:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
>> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help
receive.
>> My whole Ham life I've been told to put the money into antennas,
>> better feedlines, and a better receiver.
>> If you are a skilled operator then you'll make the contact if band
>> conditions permit.
>> Doing the math I really don't see why anyone "needs" an amp past
>> 500-600watts. Maybe on 60/160?
>> If a QRP /Low power station can make the contact but you can't then
>> maybe you need to ask for help getting your station optimized a bit
better.

>> Just my view.
>> I used to run an SB220 and loved it when I made the contact. I later
>> came to resent Ops I heard running power just to get over the pileup.
>> I sold the Amp and don't regret it for a minute. If I were to get
>> another amp the math shows 500w to be the sweet spot, however, I have
>> so much opportunity to improve feedlines and antenna it doesn't makes
>> sense to run power at this time.
>>
>> Just my view.
>> Jer
>>
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Tom Azlin W7SUA

Re: Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp

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That would be a no for me. Money is not the issue. Just do not need more
than the KPA500 I now have. Only use it now for skeds when conditions do
not support a contact at 100 watts.

73, tom w7sua

On 8/1/2016 9:55 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> This would be extreme overkill, IMHO. I suggest a simple survey instead.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR

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James Bennett

Re: Crowdfunding a 1500 watt amp - SURVEY?

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Huh????? How does my situation even closely border on producing “ill effects”? This is NOT the situation here, so let’s set the record straight.

1) My stealthy wire doublet is 45 feet in the air. I experience ZERO RFI problems even at the 500 watt level. Nor do my neighbors, who I’ve asked several times if there are issues.

2) I would be interested to see what sort of person or animal is going to come into contact with an antenna at that height. Actually, maybe I don’t want to see - might be pretty scary sight.

3) Don’t know where my post mentioned whips or short wires. None here at this station.

4) True, but again, not here.

My post simply was intended to convey my desire and reason why I do NOT want to run any more power than I already do, and any correlation of my installation to someone with a dipole five feet off the ground or experiencing RFI is off the mark. And not fully appreciated.

> On Monday, Aug 1, 2016, at Monday, 2:28 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> ... A situation like Jim brings up would likely produce a number of ill effects such as:
>
> 1) Producing interference in many nearby pieces of equipment from Hi-Fi systems to DVRs, broadcast receivers, etc.
>
> 2) If the antenna is not carefully insulated and isolated, animals and people can receive very painful RF burns and in the extreme set fires. For those who have not experienced a severe RF burn, it instantly creates deep tissue damage that is very painful for days or weeks afterward.
>
> 3) Short antennas (whips, short wires, etc.) easily produce corona discharges at their ends that distorts the transmitted signal and creates broadband Hash across the ham bands.
>
> 4) It becomes very difficult to ensure people are not subjected to excessive RF exposure if the antenna is not up high and in the clear.

W1GO (Joe)

Re: The 1500 watt amp

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Thread hasn't closed because it's free market research from a very targeted audience. Companies pay big bucks in order to hear "the voice of the customer."

> On Aug 1, 2016, at 16:12, F5vjc <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Why hasn't this thread been terminated? It's getting boring now. Much more
> interesting threads are quickly closed.
>
> There is no 1500W Amp guys.
>
> 73 F5VJC
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Wes Stewart-2

Re: EC2 Clone (Was The 1500 watt amp)

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Nice work!

I too have built my own enclosures with similar techniques. A couple of my
projects can be seen here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html#amp

Although at the time I had access to a prototype workshop, I have done similar
work at home with comparable results. If possible, I avoid bends. In all of
this stuff I used 0.062" 6061-T6 material so it wasn't going to bend anyway.
The harder alloy drills like a dream. For all of the corner joinery I used 3/8"
square stock, 8/32 threads and stainless steel screws

In the protoshop, I had access to a shear but all of the sheared edges were
still smoothed by hand. I had a granite surface plate and used a vernier height
gauge for layout so similar parts were interchangeable. In the home shop I lay
out as carefully as possible and match drill on a drill press. Most people can't
tell the difference. With a lot of elbow grease a hacksaw works, although after
a lot of furniture building and finish sanding, I needed rotator cuff surgery so
I don't do that anymore. With extreme care and I do mean extreme, a carbide
toothed blade on a table saw will cut aluminum if it's thick enough and the
blade has fine enough teeth. Otherwise I use a bandsaw, which is always safer,
if less precise.

In the protoshop I had access to chemical dip baths for passivating the
aluminum, silver plating the RF parts and a panograph engraver for panel
lettering. Silver looks nice, but is highly overrated as an RF conductor.* In
the home shop, before the un-elected bureaucrats in DC decided we were too
stupid to handle lye (judging by the electorate they may be right), I would etch
aluminum in a lye bath, rinse and neutralize with vinegar and a final water
rinse. This would yield a nice satin finish. The best I have found since is
oven cleaner.

Another finish, if you like the look, can be had by using a random-orbit sander
Play with the grit until you find something you like. Sanding it wet with a
little cutting oil can be fun, albeit messy, too.

Tube amplifier still have their virtues and, along with antennas, can be great
roll-your-own projects that can work better than what you can buy.

Wes N7Ws

* http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Plating.pdf

On 8/1/2016 9:36 AM, EricJ wrote:

> If you can build whatever you want, you can easily build the enclosure. Here
> is an EC2 clone I built last week in about 6 hours. I made the side panels
> with a hacksaw, file and drill press. The front panel I cut and formed with an
> inexpensive 8" shear/brake. This one is branded Grizzly, but Harbor Freight
> has them as well. I didn't use the Elecraft 2D fasteners because I only had 2
> on hand and didn't want to make a bunch of little fussy pieces. I used 4 long
> sections of 1/4" square aluminum stock and drilled them with the same hole
> pattern as the 2D fasteners. The front panel will get painted after I drill
> and punch it for the current project.
>
> https://flic.kr/p/KBivtc
>
> The smaller K1 enclosure is nearly the same design (slightly different top
> cover) so it scales down easily. It would scale up for a large amp just as
> easily. The cost of the EC2-clone was about $4 in materials (0.080" and 0.050"
> sheet and 1/4" bar stock). All can be built with a hacksaw, file and a hand
> drill. A bandsaw and a drill press make it more precise. A shear/brake makes
> it even easier.
>
> Eric KE6US

Wes Stewart-2

Re: The 1500 watt amp

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It sure does at the other end :-)

On 8/1/2016 6:50 AM, Jerry Moore wrote:
> I don't see the point of having a large power amp. It doesn't help receive.

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k6dgw

Re: The 1500 watt amp

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Nice variation on "It was a dark and stormy night ..." Bulwer-Lytton
award candidate if I've ever seen one. Snoopy would be proud. :-)

73,

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV
Washoe County DM09dn

On 8/1/2016 2:03 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:

> Wayne,
> It is nice you were able to write a couple poems based on your own
> experience with QRP :-)
> Do I detect another hobby or stress reliever?
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wayne
> Burdick
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 12:55 PM
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>
> I wrote an epic poem on this subject :) See:
>
> http://www.qsotoday.com/n6kr-poetry.html
>
> Wayne
> N6KR

Josh Fiden

Re: The 1500 watt amp

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If cost per QSO were a concern, no one would ever work EME. Just sayin'.

Back to waiting for this thread to die!

73,
Josh W6XU

On 8/1/2016 10:47 AM, Fred Moore wrote:
> I always wonder that some of you guys "cost/QSO" is..

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Re: The 1500 watt amp

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On Aug 1, 2016, at 2:03 PM, "N2TK, Tony" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Wayne,
> It is nice you were able to write a couple poems based on your own
> experience with QRP :-)
> Do I detect another hobby or stress reliever?

You do. My alter ego is a wannabe author. Unfortunately time is a zero-sum game (think Jake and his Avatar). Cloning would be a better solution, but it's not in my budget.

Wayne

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