The Believers

[Steve Sacco NN4X]

Hi Tom -


Thanks for your thoughts.  I've renamed the Subject line to split
this response from the rest of the "TRANSLATION" thread.

Yes, the 60's...we had the insect name phase, and the animal name
phases, among others.  Turns out, there's folk group called "The
Believers" http://cdbaby.com/cd/believers

Anyway, "The Believers" is a tag to those who embrace something
beyond what folks of a more normal passion level might.  No
reasonable person could deny that there are a significant number of
those in the Elecraft camp.

Tom, if you want "the simple truth", it's this: There are TWO
separate and distinct issues here.  I'm trying to be careful to give
them the benefit of the doubt on the first, but will cut them no
slack on that later, because, by any definition, it's wrong.

Issue 1: The K3 and selected accessories are not available as
promised.  Yes, "bumps in the road" happen.  Understood.

Issue 2: Elecraft has consistently and apparently with forethought
knowingly kept their customers (both perspective and paying) in the
dark about the status of the K3.  Additionally, it appears that
they've misrepresented the actual development status of the K3, the
KRX3 and the KDVR3.  The details have been discussed many times
before, and it should be obvious to anyone.

I can accept the "We're a small company" song and dance - to a
point.  Who doesn't like to root for the underdog, right?   I LIKE
the story ("Wild-eyed hams", etc.), but I'm BUYING the
product...and...last time I checked, Elecraft *IS* looking to profit
from their business (rightfully so!), and that means they have to step up.

There is no excuse to misrepresent the status of the product to those
very same customers whom they claim to embrace.  Bumps in the road
will happen, but that's not the point.

There is even less excuse for those customers to willingly accept
being treated in that way. Only a "Believer" would drink that KOOL AID.


All IMO, naturally.


73,
Steve NN4X











http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodwill_%28accounting%29  also
http://www.nysscpa.org/cpajournal/old/14152806.htm

 > Tom AK2B wrote:
 >
 >>Hi Steve,
 >>
 >>"The Believers" sounds more like a 60's rock group than a description of
 >>Elecraft customers. From my perspective, working for a small business, you
 >>become well acquainted with your customers over a period of time. A lot of
 >>these customers come back because they trust you based upon their past
 >>experiences. So, you are absolutely correct when you say that a company's
 >>word and reputation are paramount. I've been dealing with Elecraft since
 >>2004. In that time I've had numerous occasions where I had to contact the
 >>company for a variety of reasons. In no case were my e-mails or phone
 >>calls
 >>ignored or sidetracked to a foreign country. Every experience I've had
 >>with
 >>Elecraft whether through their products or customer support has been
 >>positive. (I wish I could say that about more than a handful of the
 >>companies I do business with.)
 >>
 >>The simple truth is, any company can hit a bump in the road and will. At
 >>that point, they have to rely on their word and past reputation. Based
 >>upon
 >>Elecraft's track record, I don't feel the least worried. When I read posts
 >>like yours, I just assume you haven't any prior experience with the
 >>company
 >>in which to base your comments. It is very easy to look with a jaundiced
 >>eye
 >>towards a lot of disreputable businesses these days and then lump them all
 >>together. In the long run, though, it is not fair to those that who have
 >>done nothing to warrant it.
 >>I don't see Elecraft as a religion to which your "Believers" tag implies.
 >>They are a COMPANY of people of which I have had the pleasure of doing
 >>business with. I like what they sell and I like the way the treat me. It's
 >>that simple.
 >>
 >>The K3 is as a major undertaking by a couple of wide eyed hams in Aptos
 >>who
 >>think they can build the world's best amateur transceiver. I think they
 >>have
 >>done it – even though there remain a few bumps. I think they also feel a
 >>strong sense of responsibility in making sure that you not only get what
 >>they have advertised but that it also works as advertised.
 >>Frankly, I see it all as rather exciting that the K3 is still undergoing
 >>so
 >>many changes right before my eyes and that it only takes a few mouse
 >>clicks
 >>to implement them. But, make no mistake, the K3 as it sits is a remarkable
 >>product - maybe not finished - but, none-the-less, remarkable. The fact
 >>that
 >>the K3 will be getting even better with time leaves me feeling that my
 >>money
 >>was not only well spent – but is also producing dividends.
 >>Come to think of it, maybe I am a Believer.
 >>
 >>Tom, AK2B
 >>

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[Tom AK2B]

<quote author="Steve Sacco NN4X">
“Issue 2: Elecraft has consistently and apparently with forethought
knowingly kept their customers (both perspective and paying) in the
dark about the status of the K3.  Additionally, it appears that
they've misrepresented the actual development status of the K3, the
KRX3 and the KDVR3.  The details have been discussed many times
before, and it should be obvious to anyone.”

Hi Steve,

There is no shortage of people whose chests swell an entire cup size with moral indignation at the mere whiff of conspiracy. And, according to you, at the other end of the scale, are those who accept the word of Elecraft as gospel. If in fact there are such “Believers”, what do I care? Is it my job to set them straight?

I don't know Wayne or Eric but I am sure if they were given the benefit of hindsight that might have gone back and changed a few things. To those disappointed about the sub receiver - I can understand that. I understand the complaints. Wayne and Eric are big boys and I sure they know that it all comes with the territory.  As a result of being a customer for the past four years with Elecraft - I just don't see them creating deception as part of their business plan.

If Elecraft is guilty of anything it may be all due to a conflict over their exuberance for the K3 and a release date. Frankly, if I could build a radio like that I would find it very difficult to contain myself and would have stood no chance of keeping it a secret for as long as they did.

Tom, AK2B

[texasexpediter]

I don't read every word of every post so I missed this lawyerly krap
when it first appeared. I'm not yet an owner and haven't consumed any
koolaid. I'm just someone who realizes the extremely excessive intrusion
of lawyers and legal speak into every possible area. If only we were
blessed with a mere fraction of the lawyer pool so those extant only had
time to be useful and productive rather than an immense glut so they
chase every ambulance and intrude in everyone's business. There's no
conspiracy and no need for lawyerly intrusion where unneeded or unwanted.
> “Issue 2: Elecraft has consistently and apparently with forethought
> knowingly kept their customers (both perspective and paying) in the
> dark about the status of the K3.  Additionally, it appears that
> they've misrepresented the actual development status of the K3, the
> KRX3 and the KDVR3.  The details have been discussed many times
> before, and it should be obvious to anyone.”
>  
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[Steve Sacco NN4X]

Hi Tom -


Someone can be a believer, or not, and whether you care or not is up to you.

However, at the risk of being accused (again) of being "on my high
horse", we all share a obligation to guide behavior towards something
acceptable to our society.  Don't you agree?   You see someone
breaking into a car, you call 911...right?  If you don't you're part
of the problem...right?   Do you *LIKE* being lied to?  I'm not
talking about Elecraft, I'm talking in general terms:  Do you find
that there's a benefit to you to business with a company which takes
that approach?  Would you tolerate that from someone who claims to be
your friend?  Your family?  Is there any condition where that's a
tolerable behavior?

Personally, I don't think so, and I'm voicing my opinion.

Now, if I was absolutely, 100% morally outraged, I'd cancel my order,
and go buy something else.  Due ONLY to what I've read/heard about
Elecraft's previous customer support, and radio performance, I'm
giving them the benefit of the doubt.

That doesn't mean I have to accept what they're doing, or pretend
that it isn't happening, or, WORSE, try to minimize it by explaining
it away, as The Believers do.

Given that Elecraft has the ability at any time to change their
behavior with respect to keeping their customers and perspective
customers informed regarding the status of the K3, and they have
barely changed, I'd have to take a guess that they wouldn't change a
thing, if given a chance at "do over".

Again, there's a difference between "Things happen", and being
"exuberant", and keeping customers informed.  I'm calling them out on
the later, not the former.

All IMO...


73,

Steve NN4X









"Issue 2: Elecraft has consistently and apparently with forethought
knowingly kept their customers (both perspective and paying) in the
dark about the status of the K3.  Additionally, it appears that
they've misrepresented the actual development status of the K3, the
KRX3 and the KDVR3.  The details have been discussed many times
before, and it should be obvious to anyone."

Hi Steve,

There is no shortage of people whose chests swell an entire cup size
with moral indignation at the mere whiff of conspiracy. And,
according to you, at the other end of the scale, are those who accept
the word of Elecraft as gospel. If in fact there are such
"Believers", what do I care? Is it my job to set them straight?

I don't know Wayne or Eric but I am sure if they were given the
benefit of hindsight that might have gone back and changed a few
things. To those disappointed about the sub receiver - I can
understand that. I understand the complaints. Wayne and Eric are big
boys and I sure they know that it all comes with the territory.  As a
result of being a customer for the past four years with Elecraft - I
just don't see them creating deception as part of their business plan.

If Elecraft is guilty of anything it may be all due to a conflict
over their exuberance for the K3 and a release date. Frankly, if I
could build a radio like that I would find it very difficult to
contain myself and would have stood no chance of keeping it a secret
for as long as they did.

Tom, AK2B



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[k7svv]

I think some of you have taught Wayne a lesson.  It is a lot less painful to
keep them in the dark than it is to keep them informed.  Damned if you do
and damned if you don't.

John    [K7SVV]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Sacco NN4X" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 12:44 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Re: The Believers

> Hi Tom -
>
>
> Someone can be a believer, or not, and whether you care or not is up to
> you.
>
> However, at the risk of being accused (again) of being "on my high horse",
> we all share a obligation to guide behavior towards something acceptable
> to our society.  Don't you agree?   You see someone breaking into a car,
> you call 911...right?  If you don't you're part of the problem...right?
> Do you *LIKE* being lied to?  I'm not talking about Elecraft, I'm talking
> in general terms:  Do you find that there's a benefit to you to business
> with a company which takes that approach?  Would you tolerate that from
> someone who claims to be your friend?  Your family?  Is there any
> condition where that's a tolerable behavior?
>
> Personally, I don't think so, and I'm voicing my opinion.
>
> Now, if I was absolutely, 100% morally outraged, I'd cancel my order, and
> go buy something else.  Due ONLY to what I've read/heard about Elecraft's
> previous customer support, and radio performance, I'm giving them the
> benefit of the doubt.
>
> That doesn't mean I have to accept what they're doing, or pretend that it
> isn't happening, or, WORSE, try to minimize it by explaining it away, as
> The Believers do.
>
> Given that Elecraft has the ability at any time to change their behavior
> with respect to keeping their customers and perspective customers informed
> regarding the status of the K3, and they have barely changed, I'd have to
> take a guess that they wouldn't change a thing, if given a chance at "do
> over".
>
> Again, there's a difference between "Things happen", and being
> "exuberant", and keeping customers informed.  I'm calling them out on the
> later, not the former.
>
> All IMO...
>
>
> 73,
>
> Steve NN4X
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Issue 2: Elecraft has consistently and apparently with forethought
> knowingly kept their customers (both perspective and paying) in the
> dark about the status of the K3.  Additionally, it appears that
> they've misrepresented the actual development status of the K3, the
> KRX3 and the KDVR3.  The details have been discussed many times
> before, and it should be obvious to anyone."
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> There is no shortage of people whose chests swell an entire cup size with
> moral indignation at the mere whiff of conspiracy. And, according to you,
> at the other end of the scale, are those who accept the word of Elecraft
> as gospel. If in fact there are such "Believers", what do I care? Is it my
> job to set them straight?
>
> I don't know Wayne or Eric but I am sure if they were given the benefit of
> hindsight that might have gone back and changed a few things. To those
> disappointed about the sub receiver - I can understand that. I understand
> the complaints. Wayne and Eric are big boys and I sure they know that it
> all comes with the territory.  As a result of being a customer for the
> past four years with Elecraft - I just don't see them creating deception
> as part of their business plan.
>
> If Elecraft is guilty of anything it may be all due to a conflict over
> their exuberance for the K3 and a release date. Frankly, if I could build
> a radio like that I would find it very difficult to contain myself and
> would have stood no chance of keeping it a secret for as long as they did.
>
> Tom, AK2B
>
>
>
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[Charlotte & Bob Higgins]

Seems to me that you are taking the rhetoric up a notch. When you start
using words like misrepresentation you are charging Elecraft with unethical,
possibly illegal acts. I think you need to turn it down a bit before things
get out of hand.

73
Bob K4LW


> Issue 2: Elecraft has consistently and apparently with forethought
> knowingly kept their customers (both perspective and paying) in the dark
> about the status of the K3.  Additionally, it appears that they've
> misrepresented the actual development status of the K3, the KRX3 and the
> KDVR3.  The details have been discussed many times before, and it should
> be obvious to anyone.


> There is no excuse to misrepresent the status of the product to those very
> same customers whom they claim to embrace.  Bumps in the road will happen,
> but that's not the point.

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[Jim Brewster]

Gentlemen
I have been on this list for about two days and have collected innumerable
(and that's more than enough) gripes, complaints, whinges, whines, etc. to
outfit the neighborhood kindergarten class for a school year.  I did not
know that this list was created for barracks room lawyers, sea lawyers and
just plain soreheads to sound off with their opinions about Elecraft..
Please see your pastor, rabbi, preacher or whomever you do most of your
griping to.  If you had come into my office when I was practicing law I
would have had you thrown out.  I would be much happier representing
Elecraft in its libel suit; remember, truth is not a defense to libel.  I
would much rather have seen you in court (my Municipal Court) charged with
interfering with my Elecraft kit construction.  Can't we all just get along.
Your obedient servant, Jim - KE0NE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Sacco NN4X" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:44 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Re: The Believers

> Hi Tom -
>
>
> Someone can be a believer, or not, and whether you care or not is up to
> you.
>
> However, at the risk of being accused (again) of being "on my high horse",
> we all share a obligation to guide behavior towards something acceptable
> to our society.  Don't you agree?   You see someone breaking into a car,
> you call 911...right?  If you don't you're part of the problem...right?
> Do you *LIKE* being lied to?  I'm not talking about Elecraft, I'm talking
> in general terms:  Do you find that there's a benefit to you to business
> with a company which takes that approach?  Would you tolerate that from
> someone who claims to be your friend?  Your family?  Is there any
> condition where that's a tolerable behavior?
>
> Personally, I don't think so, and I'm voicing my opinion.
>
> Now, if I was absolutely, 100% morally outraged, I'd cancel my order, and
> go buy something else.  Due ONLY to what I've read/heard about Elecraft's
> previous customer support, and radio performance, I'm giving them the
> benefit of the doubt.
>
> That doesn't mean I have to accept what they're doing, or pretend that it
> isn't happening, or, WORSE, try to minimize it by explaining it away, as
> The Believers do.
>
> Given that Elecraft has the ability at any time to change their behavior
> with respect to keeping their customers and perspective customers informed
> regarding the status of the K3, and they have barely changed, I'd have to
> take a guess that they wouldn't change a thing, if given a chance at "do
> over".
>
> Again, there's a difference between "Things happen", and being
> "exuberant", and keeping customers informed.  I'm calling them out on the
> later, not the former.
>
> All IMO...
>
>
> 73,
>
> Steve NN4X
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Issue 2: Elecraft has consistently and apparently with forethought
> knowingly kept their customers (both perspective and paying) in the
> dark about the status of the K3.  Additionally, it appears that
> they've misrepresented the actual development status of the K3, the
> KRX3 and the KDVR3.  The details have been discussed many times
> before, and it should be obvious to anyone."
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> There is no shortage of people whose chests swell an entire cup size with
> moral indignation at the mere whiff of conspiracy. And, according to you,
> at the other end of the scale, are those who accept the word of Elecraft
> as gospel. If in fact there are such "Believers", what do I care? Is it my
> job to set them straight?
>
> I don't know Wayne or Eric but I am sure if they were given the benefit of
> hindsight that might have gone back and changed a few things. To those
> disappointed about the sub receiver - I can understand that. I understand
> the complaints. Wayne and Eric are big boys and I sure they know that it
> all comes with the territory.  As a result of being a customer for the
> past four years with Elecraft - I just don't see them creating deception
> as part of their business plan.
>
> If Elecraft is guilty of anything it may be all due to a conflict over
> their exuberance for the K3 and a release date. Frankly, if I could build
> a radio like that I would find it very difficult to contain myself and
> would have stood no chance of keeping it a secret for as long as they did.
>
> Tom, AK2B
>
>
>
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[Simon Lewis-7]

I am highly disappointed with the whole situation regards the K3 additions

The sub rx was one of the main reasons why I purchased so early.

Same for the digital recorder. And filters.



If someone is looking for one then please email off list - no doubt some one
will be interested???

I guess EU prospective owners best. Overseas shipping ok at cost.


Perhaps I will come back in a year or so and see how things are doing then.

Sorry guys you blew it for me this time. Having deposited a chunk of cash
for 9 mnths for this I feel highly upset just now. Cheated even.

Perhaps some one else would like to continue with #114 - I have something
else I can be using right now.

Please email off list - first come first served

Rgds

Simon








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[Julian, G4ILO]

Charlotte & Bob Higgins wrote

Seems to me that you are taking the rhetoric up a notch. When you start
using words like misrepresentation you are charging Elecraft with unethical,
possibly illegal acts. I think you need to turn it down a bit before things
get out of hand.

Hmm. I don't really want to throw more fuel on the fire, but if you forget for a moment that Wayne and Eric are fellow hams and, as far as I can tell, nice guys with no previous record of trying to cheat people, it's hard to deny they are selling a product that does not, yet, do everything that is advertised. It's difficult to imagine so many people condoning the situation if the product was a car or a TV set instead of a radio.

I think Steve is right: there are two camps: the "believers" who are happy to accept that things don't always go to plan, and whose previous experience of Elecraft gives them the faith that what was promised will eventually be delivered, and the "consumers" who saw a product announcement, thought "I want that", placed their order and expected to receive what was advertised or else exercise their right to complain about it.

It's perfectly OK for people to be believers, but I don't think that gives them the right to criticize people who expected to get what was written in black and white right from the start. In the end, though, the latter group can always ask for their deposits back. I am not aware that Elecraft has ever refused such a request, which perhaps shows they are not trying to do anything illegal.

Still, I think the truth is at the moment, those of us who have a K3 have what in software terms would be called a beta version, not a release product. I can live with that, since after all it's only a hobby, and it's still more fun to have a beta K3 to play with than not to have one at all.

Either Elecraft grossly underestimated the things that could go wrong and the amount of work to be done to deliver the K3 as advertised, or they set out to deliberately mislead people. Personally I think it's the former, which is just bad luck for them, and for us. But it seems to be there are only two choices: either you be patient and wait for it to all come right or you take your money and spend it on something else.

[Bill VanAlstyne W5WVO]

Well, as we say here in the Colonies...

Wo, DUDE!!!

So come on, who's the lucky bloke who nailed Simon's K3? Come out and show
yourself, so we can all give you a hearty virtual slap on the back and an
atta-boy!

Bill W5WVO
K3 in April 2008


Simon Lewis wrote:

> I am highly disappointed with the whole situation regards the K3
> additions
>
> The sub rx was one of the main reasons why I purchased so early.
>
> Same for the digital recorder. And filters.
>
>
>
> If someone is looking for one then please email off list - no doubt
> some one will be interested???
>
> I guess EU prospective owners best. Overseas shipping ok at cost.
>
>
> Perhaps I will come back in a year or so and see how things are doing
> then.
>
> Sorry guys you blew it for me this time. Having deposited a chunk of
> cash for 9 mnths for this I feel highly upset just now. Cheated even.
>
> Perhaps some one else would like to continue with #114 - I have
> something else I can be using right now.
>
> Please email off list - first come first served
>
> Rgds
>
> Simon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Simon Lewis
> GM4PLM/DL4PLM
> http://www.dl4plm.net
>
>
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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Simon Lewis
Sent: Sonntag, 20. Januar 2008 23:28
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a K3 - buy mine


I am highly disappointed with the whole situation regards the K3 additions

The sub rx was one of the main reasons why I purchased so early.

Same for the digital recorder. And filters.



If someone is looking for one then please email off list - no doubt some one
will be interested???

I guess EU prospective owners best. Overseas shipping ok at cost.


Perhaps I will come back in a year or so and see how things are doing then.

Sorry guys you blew it for me this time. Having deposited a chunk of cash
for 9 mnths for this I feel highly upset just now. Cheated even.

Perhaps some one else would like to continue with #114 - I have something
else I can be using right now.

Please email off list - first come first served

Rgds

Simon








Simon Lewis
GM4PLM/DL4PLM
http://www.dl4plm.net


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[Stewart Baker]

Please don't be patronising...
Personal comments have no place on this or any other reflector.
Options held on both sides are genuine.

Stewart G3RXQ
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:33:15 -0600, Jim Brewster wrote:
> Gentlemen
> I have been on this list for about two days and have collected
innumerable
> (and that's more than enough) gripes, complaints, whinges,
whines, etc. to
> outfit the neighborhood kindergarten class for a school year.  I
did not
> know that this list was created for barracks room lawyers, sea
lawyers and
> just plain soreheads to sound off with their opinions about
Elecraft..
> Please see your pastor, rabbi, preacher or whomever you do most
of your
> griping to.  If you had come into my office when I was
practicing law I
> would have had you thrown out.  I would be much happier
representing
> Elecraft in its libel suit; remember, truth is not a defense to
libel.  I
> would much rather have seen you in court (my Municipal Court)
charged with
> interfering with my Elecraft kit construction.  Can't we all
just get along.

> Your obedient servant, Jim - KE0NE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Sacco NN4X" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:44 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Re: The Believers
>
>
>> Hi Tom -
>>
>>
>> Someone can be a believer, or not, and whether you care or not

is up to
>> you.
>>
>> However, at the risk of being accused (again) of being "on my
high horse",
>> we all share a obligation to guide behavior towards something
acceptable
>> to our society.  Don't you agree?   You see someone breaking
into a car,
>> you call 911...right?  If you don't you're part of the
problem...right?
>> Do you *LIKE* being lied to?  I'm not talking about Elecraft,
I'm talking
>> in general terms:  Do you find that there's a benefit to you to
business
>> with a company which takes that approach?  Would you tolerate
that from
>> someone who claims to be your friend?  Your family?  Is there
any
>> condition where that's a tolerable behavior?
>>
>> Personally, I don't think so, and I'm voicing my opinion.
>>
>> Now, if I was absolutely, 100% morally outraged, I'd cancel my
order, and
>> go buy something else.  Due ONLY to what I've read/heard about
Elecraft's
>> previous customer support, and radio performance, I'm giving
them the
>> benefit of the doubt.
>>
>> That doesn't mean I have to accept what they're doing, or
pretend that it
>> isn't happening, or, WORSE, try to minimize it by explaining it
away, as
>> The Believers do.
>>
>> Given that Elecraft has the ability at any time to change their
behavior
>> with respect to keeping their customers and perspective
customers informed
>> regarding the status of the K3, and they have barely changed,
I'd have to
>> take a guess that they wouldn't change a thing, if given a
chance at "do
>> over".
>>
>> Again, there's a difference between "Things happen", and being
>> "exuberant", and keeping customers informed.  I'm calling them
out on the

>> later, not the former.
>>
>> All IMO...
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Steve NN4X
>>
>>
>> "Issue 2: Elecraft has consistently and apparently with

forethought
>> knowingly kept their customers (both perspective and paying) in
the
>> dark about the status of the K3.  Additionally, it appears that
>> they've misrepresented the actual development status of the K3,
the
>> KRX3 and the KDVR3.  The details have been discussed many times
>> before, and it should be obvious to anyone."
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> There is no shortage of people whose chests swell an entire cup
size with
>> moral indignation at the mere whiff of conspiracy. And,
according to you,
>> at the other end of the scale, are those who accept the word of
Elecraft
>> as gospel. If in fact there are such "Believers", what do I
care? Is it my
>> job to set them straight?
>>
>> I don't know Wayne or Eric but I am sure if they were given the
benefit of
>> hindsight that might have gone back and changed a few things.
To those
>> disappointed about the sub receiver - I can understand that. I
understand
>> the complaints. Wayne and Eric are big boys and I sure they
know that it
>> all comes with the territory.  As a result of being a customer
for the
>> past four years with Elecraft - I just don't see them creating
deception
>> as part of their business plan.
>>
>> If Elecraft is guilty of anything it may be all due to a
conflict over
>> their exuberance for the K3 and a release date. Frankly, if I
could build
>> a radio like that I would find it very difficult to contain
myself and
>> would have stood no chance of keeping it a secret for as long
as they did.

>>
>> Tom, AK2B
>>
>>
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