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Dick Dickinson

The Big Three...

The Big Three Automobile manufacturers often looked towards peaks in Monday
auto sales after their models performed well in NASCAR races over the
weekend.

I wonder if amateur radio manufacturers look for similar peaks following
contest events.

As ever,

Dick - KA5KKT

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Scott Manthe-2

Re: The Big Three...

Not unless they start televising contests... :-) Of course, during this
sportsless pandemic, this possibility becomes a little more plausible.
Radiosports, live on ESPN!

73,
Scott N9AA

On 3/28/20 10:17 PM, Dick Dickinson wrote:

> The Big Three Automobile manufacturers often looked towards peaks in Monday
> auto sales after their models performed well in NASCAR races over the
> weekend.
>
>
>
> I wonder if amateur radio manufacturers look for similar peaks following
> contest events.
>
>
>
>
>
> As ever,
>
> Dick - KA5KKT
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>

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Re: The Big Three...

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Dick:

> On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Dick Dickinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The Big Three Automobile manufacturers often looked towards peaks in Monday
> auto sales after their models performed well in NASCAR races over the
> weekend.
>
>
>
> I wonder if amateur radio manufacturers look for similar peaks following
> contest events.

Interesting question, but there are huge differences in events:

1. The NASCAR race itself is very public and the results are known at the end of the race (contest). Such races are publicized through news media so that even those that don’t watch the race live can easily find out the results after the race. As part of the publicity, each team is described as a ‘Ford”, “GM”, “Honda”, team etc. even though the cars themselves are indistinguishable except for the label that is slapped on them. NASCAR fans indeed have ‘brand loyalty’ and may well be influenced by racing results.

2 An amateur contest is conducted in closed hamshacks running for significant periods of time (over a weekend) and no one necessarily knows who is competing until logs are submitted. Generally, no one knows (including the contestants) the results for a month or more after the event. And when the results are announced, the contestants are described by their name/call, location and perhaps club affiliation. No one is highlighting their equipment unless a photo is included in the article providing the contest results that provides a glimpse of their shack.

Consequently, I seriously doubt that there are peaks in sales due to the results of specific contest events themselves.

That said, we are seeing some equipment touted based upon advertising conducted by the manufacturers themselves:

1. Flex Radio touts their “SO2R” solution for contesters and others highlighting the ease of Flex products being able to operate SO2R with relatively minimal wiring/cabling. This includes having contesters explaining how they're benefiting competitively from Flex product offerings.

2. Manufacturers are supporting DXpeditions where the manufacturers themselves publicize their support for a particular operating group from some rare location. Both Elecraft and Flex have done this. In addition, the DX Team publicly highlights the financial support provided by major donors, including equipping their team with the equipment that is utilized.

I can’t say that there is a direct correlation between specific contesting and DX events as having a correlation with amateur radio equipment sales. However, it is probably fair to say that manufacturers are now paying attention to contesters in helping to determine the features/bells & whistles being put into their products. Flex in particular has been doing that with their SmartSDR development. Their transceivers and PGXL amplifier are based in part of meeting contester preferences. Their strategy is presumably based in part of two factors:

1. Contesters are spending real $$$ on their stations to develop a competitive edge. When your focus is on the contest and not the wallet, they’re more likely to spend money on technology that will enhance their capabilities or provide ease of finding and making QSOs.

2 There is indeed a ’trickle down’ impact where the capabilities introduced to support contesters becomes available to other amateur operators. Again, Flex touts their focus on contesters because the contesters are in a sense underwriting the development effort by being ‘early adopters.’ However, once developed, features/capabilities become available to a wider audience who may be interested in taking advantage of particular new features that appeal to them.

BTW, this isn’t necessarily a new phenomena. There has been plenty of technology developed for other markets over the past 10 years or so that have been introduced into amateur radio products (e.g. DOD/NSA-> amateur radio). Software Defined Radio has grown tremendously because organizations with ‘real money’ underwrite technology and product development that later gets introduced into the amateur radio market.

FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
Keller, TX

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Re: The Big Three...

If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018 participant teams used.

Lots of K3.

http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php

Paul
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> On Mar 28, 2020, at 8:22 PM, Barry Baines via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Dick:
>
>> On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Dick Dickinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> The Big Three Automobile manufacturers often looked towards peaks in Monday
>> auto sales after their models performed well in NASCAR races over the
>> weekend.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder if amateur radio manufacturers look for similar peaks following
>> contest events.
>
> Interesting question, but there are huge differences in events:
>
> 1. The NASCAR race itself is very public and the results are known at the end of the race (contest). Such races are publicized through news media so that even those that don’t watch the race live can easily find out the results after the race. As part of the publicity, each team is described as a ‘Ford”, “GM”, “Honda”, team etc. even though the cars themselves are indistinguishable except for the label that is slapped on them. NASCAR fans indeed have ‘brand loyalty’ and may well be influenced by racing results.
>
> 2 An amateur contest is conducted in closed hamshacks running for significant periods of time (over a weekend) and no one necessarily knows who is competing until logs are submitted. Generally, no one knows (including the contestants) the results for a month or more after the event. And when the results are announced, the contestants are described by their name/call, location and perhaps club affiliation. No one is highlighting their equipment unless a photo is included in the article providing the contest results that provides a glimpse of their shack.
>
> Consequently, I seriously doubt that there are peaks in sales due to the results of specific contest events themselves.
>
> That said, we are seeing some equipment touted based upon advertising conducted by the manufacturers themselves:
>
> 1. Flex Radio touts their “SO2R” solution for contesters and others highlighting the ease of Flex products being able to operate SO2R with relatively minimal wiring/cabling. This includes having contesters explaining how they're benefiting competitively from Flex product offerings.
>
> 2. Manufacturers are supporting DXpeditions where the manufacturers themselves publicize their support for a particular operating group from some rare location. Both Elecraft and Flex have done this. In addition, the DX Team publicly highlights the financial support provided by major donors, including equipping their team with the equipment that is utilized.
>
>
> I can’t say that there is a direct correlation between specific contesting and DX events as having a correlation with amateur radio equipment sales. However, it is probably fair to say that manufacturers are now paying attention to contesters in helping to determine the features/bells & whistles being put into their products. Flex in particular has been doing that with their SmartSDR development. Their transceivers and PGXL amplifier are based in part of meeting contester preferences. Their strategy is presumably based in part of two factors:
>
> 1. Contesters are spending real $$$ on their stations to develop a competitive edge. When your focus is on the contest and not the wallet, they’re more likely to spend money on technology that will enhance their capabilities or provide ease of finding and making QSOs.
>
> 2 There is indeed a ’trickle down’ impact where the capabilities introduced to support contesters becomes available to other amateur operators. Again, Flex touts their focus on contesters because the contesters are in a sense underwriting the development effort by being ‘early adopters.’ However, once developed, features/capabilities become available to a wider audience who may be interested in taking advantage of particular new features that appeal to them.
>
>
> BTW, this isn’t necessarily a new phenomena. There has been plenty of technology developed for other markets over the past 10 years or so that have been introduced into amateur radio products (e.g. DOD/NSA-> amateur radio). Software Defined Radio has grown tremendously because organizations with ‘real money’ underwrite technology and product development that later gets introduced into the amateur radio market.
>
>
> FWIW,
>
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
> Keller, TX
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> As ever,
>>
>> Dick - KA5KKT
>>
>>
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Chris_DL2MDU

Re: The Big Three...

"The Big Three Automobile manufacturers often looked towards peaks in Monday
auto sales after their models performed well in NASCAR races over the
weekend"

That must have been long before the internet

73 Chris, DL2MDU

Am 29.03.2020 um 11:50 schrieb Paul Gacek via Elecraft:

> If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018 participant teams used.
>
> Lots of K3.
>
> http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php
>
> Paul
> W6PNG/M0SNA
> www.nomadic.blog
>
>> On Mar 28, 2020, at 8:22 PM, Barry Baines via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Dick:
>>
>>> On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Dick Dickinson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Big Three Automobile manufacturers often looked towards peaks in Monday
>>> auto sales after their models performed well in NASCAR races over the
>>> weekend.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if amateur radio manufacturers look for similar peaks following
>>> contest events.
>> Interesting question, but there are huge differences in events:
>>
>> 1. The NASCAR race itself is very public and the results are known at the end of the race (contest). Such races are publicized through news media so that even those that don’t watch the race live can easily find out the results after the race. As part of the publicity, each team is described as a ‘Ford”, “GM”, “Honda”, team etc. even though the cars themselves are indistinguishable except for the label that is slapped on them. NASCAR fans indeed have ‘brand loyalty’ and may well be influenced by racing results.
>>
>> 2 An amateur contest is conducted in closed hamshacks running for significant periods of time (over a weekend) and no one necessarily knows who is competing until logs are submitted. Generally, no one knows (including the contestants) the results for a month or more after the event. And when the results are announced, the contestants are described by their name/call, location and perhaps club affiliation. No one is highlighting their equipment unless a photo is included in the article providing the contest results that provides a glimpse of their shack.
>>
>> Consequently, I seriously doubt that there are peaks in sales due to the results of specific contest events themselves.
>>
>> That said, we are seeing some equipment touted based upon advertising conducted by the manufacturers themselves:
>>
>> 1. Flex Radio touts their “SO2R” solution for contesters and others highlighting the ease of Flex products being able to operate SO2R with relatively minimal wiring/cabling. This includes having contesters explaining how they're benefiting competitively from Flex product offerings.
>>
>> 2. Manufacturers are supporting DXpeditions where the manufacturers themselves publicize their support for a particular operating group from some rare location. Both Elecraft and Flex have done this. In addition, the DX Team publicly highlights the financial support provided by major donors, including equipping their team with the equipment that is utilized.
>>
>>
>> I can’t say that there is a direct correlation between specific contesting and DX events as having a correlation with amateur radio equipment sales. However, it is probably fair to say that manufacturers are now paying attention to contesters in helping to determine the features/bells & whistles being put into their products. Flex in particular has been doing that with their SmartSDR development. Their transceivers and PGXL amplifier are based in part of meeting contester preferences. Their strategy is presumably based in part of two factors:
>>
>> 1. Contesters are spending real $$$ on their stations to develop a competitive edge. When your focus is on the contest and not the wallet, they’re more likely to spend money on technology that will enhance their capabilities or provide ease of finding and making QSOs.
>>
>> 2 There is indeed a ’trickle down’ impact where the capabilities introduced to support contesters becomes available to other amateur operators. Again, Flex touts their focus on contesters because the contesters are in a sense underwriting the development effort by being ‘early adopters.’ However, once developed, features/capabilities become available to a wider audience who may be interested in taking advantage of particular new features that appeal to them.
>>
>>
>> BTW, this isn’t necessarily a new phenomena. There has been plenty of technology developed for other markets over the past 10 years or so that have been introduced into amateur radio products (e.g. DOD/NSA-> amateur radio). Software Defined Radio has grown tremendously because organizations with ‘real money’ underwrite technology and product development that later gets introduced into the amateur radio market.
>>
>>
>> FWIW,
>>
>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>> Keller, TX
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As ever,
>>>
>>> Dick - KA5KKT
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: The Big Three...

This doesn't happen anymore..Not in the last ten years..Turn your K3 on and call CQ!! This helps with being bored..

73s Bob W5RG

On Sunday, March 29, 2020, 7:48:13 AM CDT, Christian Friess <[hidden email]> wrote:

"The Big Three Automobile manufacturers often looked towards peaks in Monday
auto sales after their models performed well in NASCAR races over the
weekend"

That must have been long before the internet

73 Chris, DL2MDU

Am 29.03.2020 um 11:50 schrieb Paul Gacek via Elecraft:

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Wes Stewart-2

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FWIW. I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were using.

You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s. Sixth and 7th places use
one K3 and something else for the second radio.

So four out of 20 radios were K3s.

Also of interest 6 out of 10 used WinTest with 4 using N1MM+.

Wes N7WS

On 3/29/2020 2:50 AM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
> If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018 participant teams used.
>
> Lots of K3.
>
> http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php
>
> Paul
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Re: The Big Three...

Wes

I think virtually all of the ~134 participants are by definition are top contesters and not just the top 10 of the 67 teams but you are correct that the top 10 aren’t dyed in the wool Elecrafters.

I did a quick mental tally and think 50% of the rigs are K3 (~67 out of 134). The next largest group are IC7xxx for about 17.

Paul Gacek
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> On Mar 29, 2020, at 6:32 AM, Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> FWIW. I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were using.
>
> You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s. Sixth and 7th places use one K3 and something else for the second radio.
>
> So four out of 20 radios were K3s.
>
> Also of interest 6 out of 10 used WinTest with 4 using N1MM+.
>
> Wes N7WS
>
>
>> On 3/29/2020 2:50 AM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
>> If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018 participant teams used.
>>
>> Lots of K3.
>>
>> http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php
>>
>> Paul
>> W6PNG/M0SNA
>> www.nomadic.blog
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Michael Walker

Re: The Big Three...

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I find you mention the big 3, but it is really the big 4.

Mike va3mw

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:28 AM Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:

> FWIW. I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were using.
>
> You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s. Sixth and 7th places
> use
> one K3 and something else for the second radio.
>
> So four out of 20 radios were K3s.
>
> Also of interest 6 out of 10 used WinTest with 4 using N1MM+.
>
> Wes N7WS
>
>
> On 3/29/2020 2:50 AM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
> > If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018
> participant teams used.
> >
> > Lots of K3.
> >
> > http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php
> >
> > Paul
> > W6PNG/M0SNA
> > www.nomadic.blog
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John K9UWA-2

Re: The Big Three...

I get 66 Elecraft K3 radios out of a possible 126. That leaves 60 radios total split
between the Other Companies Radios.
John k9uwa

On 29 Mar 2020 at 9:55, Michael Walker wrote:

> I find you mention the big 3, but it is really the big 4.
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:28 AM Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > FWIW. I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were using.
> >
> > You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s. Sixth and 7th places use
> > one K3 and something else for the second radio.
> >
> > So four out of 20 radios were K3s.
> >
> > Also of interest 6 out of 10 used WinTest with 4 using N1MM+.
> >
> > Wes N7WS

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Wes Stewart-2

Re: The Big Three...

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I suppose that as a sometimes NASCAR fan, I gravitate to the top ten :-)

Wes N7WS

On 3/29/2020 6:52 AM, Paul Gacek wrote:

> Wes
>
> I think virtually all of the ~134 participants are by definition are top contesters and not just the top 10 of the 67 teams but you are correct that the top 10 aren’t dyed in the wool Elecrafters.
>
> I did a quick mental tally and think 50% of the rigs are K3 (~67 out of 134). The next largest group are IC7xxx for about 17.
>
> Paul Gacek
> W6PNG/M0SNA
> www.nomadic.blog
>
>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 6:32 AM, Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW. I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were using.
>>
>> You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s. Sixth and 7th places use one K3 and something else for the second radio.
>>
>> So four out of 20 radios were K3s.
>>
>> Also of interest 6 out of 10 used WinTest with 4 using N1MM+.
>>
>> Wes N7WS
>>
>>
>>> On 3/29/2020 2:50 AM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
>>> If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018 participant teams used.
>>>
>>> Lots of K3.
>>>
>>> http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> W6PNG/M0SNA
>>> www.nomadic.blog
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Re: The Big Three...

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Wasn't my subject line. But I'll see your four and raise it to five: Elecraft,
Flex, Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu.

Wes N7WS

On 3/29/2020 6:55 AM, Michael Walker wrote:

> I find you mention the big 3, but it is really the big 4.
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:28 AM Wes <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> FWIW. I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were using.
>
> You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s. Sixth and 7th places use
> one K3 and something else for the second radio.
>
> So four out of 20 radios were K3s.
>
> Also of interest 6 out of 10 used WinTest with 4 using N1MM+.
>
> Wes N7WS
>
>
> On 3/29/2020 2:50 AM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
> > If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018
> participant teams used.
> >
> > Lots of K3.
> >
> > http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php
> >
> > Paul
> > W6PNG/M0SNA
> > www.nomadic.blog
>
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K9FD

Re: The Big Three...

SO lets see, we are saying that 50 percent used Elecraft, and out of
the top 3 no one did,
and most who used Elecraft were in the bottom.
So was it the radio or the operator?
If you look at it from one point of view, loosers used Elecraft..

Merv K9FD, and I own 3 - k3 radios so not biased.

> Wasn't my subject line. But I'll see your four and raise it to five:
> Elecraft, Flex, Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu.
>
> Wes N7WS
>
> On 3/29/2020 6:55 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>> I find you mention the big 3, but it is really the big 4.
>>
>> Mike va3mw
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:28 AM Wes <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>     FWIW. I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were
>> using.
>>
>>     You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s. Sixth and
>> 7th places use
>>     one K3 and something else for the second radio.
>>
>>     So four out of 20 radios were K3s.
>>
>>     Also of interest 6 out of 10 used WinTest with 4 using N1MM+.
>>
>>     Wes N7WS
>>
>>
>>     On 3/29/2020 2:50 AM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
>>     > If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018
>>     participant teams used.
>>     >
>>     > Lots of K3.
>>     >
>>     > http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php
>>     >
>>     > Paul
>>     > W6PNG/M0SNA
>>     > www.nomadic.blog
>>
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Re: The Big Three...

Put all the stations in the same tent and then see who wins :-)

73,

Dave, K4TO

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:47 AM K9FD <[hidden email]> wrote:

> SO lets see, we are saying that 50 percent used Elecraft, and out of
> the top 3 no one did,
> and most who used Elecraft were in the bottom.
> So was it the radio or the operator?
> If you look at it from one point of view, loosers used Elecraft..
>
> Merv K9FD, and I own 3 - k3 radios so not biased.
>
>
> > Wasn't my subject line. But I'll see your four and raise it to five:
> > Elecraft, Flex, Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu.
> >
> > Wes N7WS
> >
> > On 3/29/2020 6:55 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> >> I find you mention the big 3, but it is really the big 4.
> >>
> >> Mike va3mw
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:28 AM Wes <[hidden email]
> >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> >>
> >> FWIW. I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were
> >> using.
> >>
> >> You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s. Sixth and
> >> 7th places use
> >> one K3 and something else for the second radio.
> >>
> >> So four out of 20 radios were K3s.
> >>
> >> Also of interest 6 out of 10 used WinTest with 4 using N1MM+.
> >>
> >> Wes N7WS
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/29/2020 2:50 AM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
> >> > If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018
> >> participant teams used.
> >> >
> >> > Lots of K3.
> >> >
> >> > http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php
> >> >
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Re: The Big Three...

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But.......with that logic,.........there was ONE winner, the rest were
losers.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 3/29/2020 10:47 AM, K9FD wrote:

> SO lets see, we are saying that 50 percent used Elecraft, and out of
> the top 3 no one did,
> and most who used Elecraft were in the bottom.
> So was it the radio or the operator?
> If you look at it from one point of view, loosers used Elecraft..
>
> Merv K9FD,   and I own 3 - k3 radios so not biased.
>
>
>> Wasn't my subject line. But I'll see your four and raise it to five:
>> Elecraft, Flex, Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu.
>>
>> Wes N7WS
>>
>> On 3/29/2020 6:55 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>>> I find you mention the big 3, but it is really the big 4.
>>>
>>> Mike va3mw
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:28 AM Wes <[hidden email]
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     FWIW. I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were
>>> using.
>>>
>>>     You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s. Sixth and
>>> 7th places use
>>>     one K3 and something else for the second radio.
>>>
>>>     So four out of 20 radios were K3s.
>>>
>>>     Also of interest 6 out of 10 used WinTest with 4 using N1MM+.
>>>
>>>     Wes N7WS
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 3/29/2020 2:50 AM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
>>>     > If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018
>>>     participant teams used.
>>>     >
>>>     > Lots of K3.
>>>     >
>>>     > http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php
>>>     >
>>>     > Paul
>>>     > W6PNG/M0SNA
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Re: The Big Three...

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Merv

Now we entering the arena of stats can tell you whatever you want them to tell you!

In fairness only one of the top teams was a US team (I think) and 3 of the top 15 were US. Maybe radio choice for the Europeans is more to do with ICOM et al possibly having a more direct sales and support presence in EU versus Elecraft which is via local distributors and possibly requiring the gear to return to Cal for repair. Just a guess ....

I think the WRTC leader role for the Boston/NE one had more US teams placing. I’m sure a story exists around home team advantage.

I can only reiterate that anyone who participates in WRTC has to be pretty awesome and I wish I had 1% of their skills!!

Stats are fun.

Paul Gacek

> On Mar 29, 2020, at 8:50 AM, K9FD <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> SO lets see, we are saying that 50 percent used Elecraft, and out of the top 3 no one did,
> and most who used Elecraft were in the bottom.
> So was it the radio or the operator?
> If you look at it from one point of view, loosers used Elecraft..
>
> Merv K9FD, and I own 3 - k3 radios so not biased.
>
>
>> Wasn't my subject line. But I'll see your four and raise it to five: Elecraft, Flex, Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu.
>>
>> Wes N7WS
>>
>>> On 3/29/2020 6:55 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>>> I find you mention the big 3, but it is really the big 4.
>>>
>>> Mike va3mw
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:28 AM Wes <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW. I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were using.
>>>
>>> You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s. Sixth and 7th places use
>>> one K3 and something else for the second radio.
>>>
>>> So four out of 20 radios were K3s.
>>>
>>> Also of interest 6 out of 10 used WinTest with 4 using N1MM+.
>>>
>>> Wes N7WS
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 3/29/2020 2:50 AM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
>>> > If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018
>>> participant teams used.
>>> >
>>> > Lots of K3.
>>> >
>>> > http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php
>>> >
>>> > Paul
>>> > W6PNG/M0SNA
>>> > www.nomadic.blog
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Re: The Big Three...

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This is a senseless comparison. In a NASCAR race, it’s driver/car against driver/car. But with radio contests it’s only operator against operator. There’s no easy way to play radio against radio. Nowhere in the log for radio mfg to be logged.

Maybe a new contest. Exchange might be RS(T), first letter of mfg name, and model number; like “59 E K3S”. I feel sorry for guys using some Yeasu rigs!

QWH?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill

> On Mar 29, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Wasn't my subject line. But I'll see your four and raise it to five: Elecraft, Flex, Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu.
>
> Wes N7WS
>
>> On 3/29/2020 6:55 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>> I find you mention the big 3, but it is really the big 4.
>>
>> Mike va3mw
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:28 AM Wes <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW. I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were using.
>>
>> You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s. Sixth and 7th places use
>> one K3 and something else for the second radio.
>>
>> So four out of 20 radios were K3s.
>>
>> Also of interest 6 out of 10 used WinTest with 4 using N1MM+.
>>
>> Wes N7WS
>>
>>
>> On 3/29/2020 2:50 AM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
>> > If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018
>> participant teams used.
>> >
>> > Lots of K3.
>> >
>> > http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php
>> >
>> > Paul
>> > W6PNG/M0SNA
>> > www.nomadic.blog
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Re: The Big Three...

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Yes, and isnt that radical, what a thought, a pair of guys were better
than
everyone else.
Its called exceptionalism. It actually works.

> But.......with that logic,.........there was ONE winner, the rest were
> losers.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 3/29/2020 10:47 AM, K9FD wrote:
>> SO lets see, we are saying that 50 percent used Elecraft, and out
>> of the top 3 no one did,
>> and most who used Elecraft were in the bottom.
>> So was it the radio or the operator?
>> If you look at it from one point of view, loosers used Elecraft..
>>
>> Merv K9FD,   and I own 3 - k3 radios so not biased.
>>
>>
>>> Wasn't my subject line. But I'll see your four and raise it to five:
>>> Elecraft, Flex, Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu.
>>>
>>> Wes N7WS
>>>
>>> On 3/29/2020 6:55 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>>>> I find you mention the big 3, but it is really the big 4.
>>>>
>>>> Mike va3mw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:28 AM Wes <[hidden email]
>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     FWIW. I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were
>>>> using.
>>>>
>>>>     You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s. Sixth and
>>>> 7th places use
>>>>     one K3 and something else for the second radio.
>>>>
>>>>     So four out of 20 radios were K3s.
>>>>
>>>>     Also of interest 6 out of 10 used WinTest with 4 using N1MM+.
>>>>
>>>>     Wes N7WS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 3/29/2020 2:50 AM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
>>>>     > If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018
>>>>     participant teams used.
>>>>     >
>>>>     > Lots of K3.
>>>>     >
>>>>     > http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php
>>>>     >
>>>>     > Paul
>>>>     > W6PNG/M0SNA
>>>>     > www.nomadic.blog
>>>>
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Re: The Big Three...

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Since WRTC operators are already considered top-notch, I would interpret
that data as indicating almost half of the rigs used by top operators
are the Elecraft K3/K3S.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/29/2020 10:32 AM, John K9UWA wrote:
>
> I get 66 Elecraft K3 radios out of a possible 126. That leaves 60 radios total split
> between the Other Companies Radios.
> John k9uwa
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Re: The Big Three...

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Right on Bill, the radio has only a small part to play in these contests,
if it provides the basic operation thats all thats needed, the operator
is the key. They all are as equal as possible with the same antennas
same locations etc.
Contests for a number of years at K4VX multi-multi and I observed and
learned the operator was the winning key.
Have seen good operators sit down with a "poor" radio and make double
the contacts another op with the best radio available made.

I was addressing the use of Elecraft being with mostly "losers" in jest,
seems many are out of work and nothing to do but think seriously,
many have lost all sense of humor and reading comprehension as well,

> This is a senseless comparison. In a NASCAR race, it’s driver/car against driver/car. But with radio contests it’s only operator against operator. There’s no easy way to play radio against radio. Nowhere in the log for radio mfg to be logged.
>
> Maybe a new contest. Exchange might be RS(T), first letter of mfg name, and model number; like “59 E K3S”. I feel sorry for guys using some Yeasu rigs!
>
> QWH?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Wes <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Wasn't my subject line. But I'll see your four and raise it to five: Elecraft, Flex, Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu.
>>
>> Wes N7WS
>>
>>> On 3/29/2020 6:55 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>>> I find you mention the big 3, but it is really the big 4.
>>>
>>> Mike va3mw
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:28 AM Wes <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW. I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were using.
>>>
>>> You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s. Sixth and 7th places use
>>> one K3 and something else for the second radio.
>>>
>>> So four out of 20 radios were K3s.
>>>
>>> Also of interest 6 out of 10 used WinTest with 4 using N1MM+.
>>>
>>> Wes N7WS
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/29/2020 2:50 AM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
>>> > If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018
>>> participant teams used.
>>> >
>>> > Lots of K3.
>>> >
>>> > http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php
>>> >
>>> > Paul
>>> > W6PNG/M0SNA
>>> > www.nomadic.blog
>>>
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