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I also enjoyed the daily 'Dilbertisms' even if they did sometimes hit close
to home. Had a few of them stuck to the walls of my cubicle back in the day. Joe K2UF No trees were harmed in the sending of this e-mail; however, many electrons were inconvenienced. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:43 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator Apologies to those on the list who are not familiar with the Dilbert comic strip. It is one of my favorites, even though I no longer work in the "captive office" world - I am a "free agent". 73, Don W3FPR On 4/13/2012 6:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > The Far East Government is too sophisticated to accomplish a sale. You > might want to try to sell if to the Elbonian nation although Dilbert and > "Pointy Hair Boss" should be consulted for permission prior to any contact. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 4/13/2012 6:31 PM, Joe K2UF wrote: >> I built a 1/10th scale model of a similar device in my basement woodshop. >> It is very inefficient. I don't have the metal working skills to duplicate >> it full size. Maybe I could sell it to a far east government as a satellite >> delivery guidance system. >> >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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*James,
You are engaging in an argument (constructive one that is) where there is NO difinitive answer. It's must always be about 'choice'..Heil headsets are to me expensive when you import them to VK, CM-500's represents 'value for money' to many on this list, some prefer the Heil models..it is all about choice. Dare I say 'visual appeal' and 'I want the best' are also thoughts in folks mind when they select their purchase, some look at 3rd party test results as a buying guide, again, it's all about choice. Wouxon, kenwood, Yaesu, Icom, Ten Tec, Elecraft and the list goes on, it still comes back to individual choice and that is good for consumers. I would hate to see a contraction of manufacturers as this would lead to a less competitive market and then we the consumer would be in a less than enviable situation. Sure I love my Elecraft products, they all do what i want and more which leaves me a very satisfied customer and Elecraft have a proven track record on support. Did I pay too much for the products I have purchased from Elecraft?...I don't believe so. Did I pay too much for products from 'other' radio manufacturers...i sure did much to my continued angst. 20/20 hindsight can sometimes be a bummer.... 73's Gary * On 14 April 2012 08:49, James Rodenkirch <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Elecraft follows the Apple model - or vice versa...who knows! Basic > "product" is sorta "ok" from a costing perspective but one starts to > "cringe" at $60.00 microphones and $170.00 20 watt antenna tuners and > $170.00 iambic keys...just sorta seems high end pricing... I could go and > price out external versions but that would detract from the Elecraft model > - purchase the basic rig and toss in lots of extras that fit into the rig > and keep you one of the "Elecraft faithful." > > Your statement, "Generally, the Chinese versions are reasonable value for > money but the equation generally does include a much lower build quality > and feature set and a much lower support level" is sorta intriguing....just > what is a "lower build quality" and "feature set" and "lower support level" > mean? > > Quote me some numbers and we can chat further....Jim R. > > > > From: [hidden email] > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:02:25 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3 > To: [hidden email] > CC: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; [hidden email]; > [hidden email] > > Jim, > > > > What exactly is absurd about the add on costs that Elecraft charges, in > your opinion ??? > > > That's the statement that sticks out to me as being absurd in your mail. > You buy the accessories you want/need and add it up. The total KX3 price > after doing that doesn't seem absurd to me. Not extremely cheap either, I'd > agree, but most certainly not absurdly expensive. > > > There are Chinese knock-offs of many product categories. Generally, the > Chinese versions are reasonable value for money but the equation generally > does include a much lower build quality and feature set and a much lower > support level. > > > To take the Wouxuns for example, they are great rigs for the price, but > the more expensive ones from Yaewoodcom do have a definitive edge on > quality and how well they are thought out. It's just questionable if they > are worth paying so much extra for, and personally I'm happy with my > Wouxun. But for something as primary to my ham operating as my main > portable HF rig, I won't settle for such a compromise. > > > 73, Thomas M0TRN > > > On 13 April 2012 21:55, James Rodenkirch <[hidden email]> wrote: > > If - IF - they can produce a similar product at a reduced cost, including > the absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft charges, good for > them! > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 Living the dream!!! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Tony, I aim to please. :-)
/(Please insert standard disclaimer of your choice here...)/ --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA [hidden email] K3 #281, P3 #688 On 4/13/2012 4:13 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Ian Kahn - Ham<[hidden email]> wrote: > >> ...none of the percentages provided above are in any way >> statistically/scientifically generated. They are my observations... > ======== > Ah Ian, you set a splendid example for the rest of us. > > Tony KT0NY > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
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Folks - This thread has already been closed.
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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory Sent: Saturday, 14 April 2012 7:37 AM To: Wayne Burdick Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator *Wayne, What impressed me the most was that the spokesperson was able to say all that without cracking a hint of a smile..:-) You so right, it is a hoot....grin Gary * You mean that things not real Gary !!! I just ordered one online for $9998.00 & gst. I have looking for something to synchronise my Cardinal Grammeter for a long time. I'll do a straight swap for a KX3 then. Adrian ... vk4tux ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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In about 1999 or 2000 the FT-817 came out with an entry price of
$799. The KX3 (kit) is $899. That is an increase of 899/788 = 1.13 or 13% over ten+ years. Sounds close to inflation for the period. I sold my FT-817 to buy the KX3 as it looks to be a much superior radio. It cost me about the same for mic and CW filter for the FT-817 as those are for the KX3. I like the modularity concept offered by Elecraft as I can "build" the radio to suit my goals without buying stuff I do not need. I'm sure there may be cheaper mobile HF rigs...you get what you pay for (at least that is true with Elecraft). 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 ====================================== BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-QRT, 1296-?, 3400-? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep [hidden email] "Kits made by KL7UW" http://www.kl7uw.com/kits.htm ====================================== ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Operating Instructions for the new Chinese CN3 PQR Transciever...
CN3是非常简单的操作说明。 1号）打开收音机。第 2号）连接天线。 3号）工作的DX。喜喜 |
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But just try to get the tech data for them, Fred. It's blocked by ITARS.
73, Gary VE1RGB -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: April 13, 2012 6:53 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator Dingle Arms are still legal for import into the US however Panametric Phams do not meet Part 15 requirements and may only be imported by BPL providers. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org On 4/13/2012 2:49 PM, David Fleming wrote: > Hehe. He said "Panametric Pham" and "Dingle Arm". ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Try this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0bx_Ooq4 It's the Chrysler Turbo Encabulator, and is followed with a Chrysler technician giving training on how to diagnose one, including hooking a DRB-II to the unit. A real double-hoot. I'm currently employed by Chrysler (in Wireless Body & Security), since before the 2007 release date of this one, and never came across it. You can bet that this will get passed around amongst my colleagues come Monday.... Thanks, -- Dave, N8SBE > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator > From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> > Date: Fri, April 13, 2012 4:44 pm > To: [hidden email] > Cc: [hidden email] > > > Fred Jensen wrote: > > > Retro Encabulator > > This is about as OT as it gets, folks, but in case you missed it, > here's the video: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w > > It's a hoot. > > Wayne > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
[somewhat K3]Radio User Interfaces
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Many people who are involved with User Interface (UI) design
think that user errors frequently reflect design flaws in the UI. While I wouldn't go as far as to say all user errors result from UI flaws, I do think that better UI design can significantly reduce the number or severity of user errors. My wife (KI6SLX), a retired Apple quality assurance manager, had a long conversation with an Elecraft representative at RadioFest in Monterey recently. Her interest was whether she could learn to use the radio. (She has no HF operating experience. Her 2+ year use of a FT-60 has been punctuated with frequent screams of anguish.) As he led her through the UI, she noticed that there was a logic to the way things worked. She realized she could build a mental model of the radio's operation and possibly even use it without constant reference to the manual. That conversation is one of the reasons I now have a K3. Is the K3 UI perfect? Of course not. But, it is quite good. One way to make it better is to look at user errors and ask, "How can we change the UI to reduce the chance of this error occurring?" Cheers - Bill, AE6JV On 4/13/12 at 12:47, [hidden email] (Ian Kahn - Ham) wrote: >It's a safe (but unscientifically generated statistic) bet that >70-80% of the issues/problems reported on this forum are user >error or lack of knowledge/understanding about the rig. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Privacy is dead, get over | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | it. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Scott McNealy | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: [somewhat K3]Radio User Interfaces
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My chief problem (which is not at all troublesome!) is with my fat
fingers. The front panel buttons are somewhat small, and if one is not sure about whether a putative "push" has worked, one is likely to go from "touch" to "hold." Clearly, making the buttons and the front panel larger is an inappropriate solution to this problem, although the button spacing on the P3 is a bit easier to use...that extra millimeter or two makes quite a difference. I do much better with a mouse on a screen image. There has been, off and on, some discussion of a screen GUI for the K2 & K3, though I haven't seen any contributions to this thread for months. Utilities like FLDIGI and FLRIG contain a few of the front panel functions such as volume, power, etc. as well as frequency, and it would not be difficult to write some parody of a complete interface, using the scripting language for the K3. I am not sure just how practical the result would be to use; there are many functions on the front panel. It would probably be possible to use the <shift> and <ctrl> keys to duplicate the touch/hold dichotomy of the actual front panel. Has anyone given substantial thought to this? It is tantamount to designing a remote software control panel for the K3... Please, no flames...I can already hear the screams of anguish from those K3 users who do not want their box soiled by contact with a computer, e.g. "why did you buy a K3 if you hate it so much?" [I don't hate my K3, I love it.] John Ragle -- W1ZI ===== On 4/15/2012 4:57 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > Many people who are involved with User Interface (UI) design > think that user errors frequently reflect design flaws in the > UI. While I wouldn't go as far as to say all user errors result > from UI flaws, I do think that better UI design can > significantly reduce the number or severity of user errors. > > My wife (KI6SLX), a retired Apple quality assurance manager, had > a long conversation with an Elecraft representative at RadioFest > in Monterey recently. Her interest was whether she could learn > to use the radio. (She has no HF operating experience. Her 2+ > year use of a FT-60 has been punctuated with frequent screams of > anguish.) As he led her through the UI, she noticed that there > was a logic to the way things worked. She realized she could > build a mental model of the radio's operation and possibly even > use it without constant reference to the manual. That > conversation is one of the reasons I now have a K3. > > Is the K3 UI perfect? Of course not. But, it is quite good. One > way to make it better is to look at user errors and ask, "How > can we change the UI to reduce the chance of this error occurring?" > > Cheers - Bill, AE6JV > > On 4/13/12 at 12:47,[hidden email] (Ian Kahn - Ham) wrote: > >> It's a safe (but unscientifically generated statistic) bet that >> 70-80% of the issues/problems reported on this forum are user >> error or lack of knowledge/understanding about the rig. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | Privacy is dead, get over | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | it. | 16345 > Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | - Scott McNealy | Los Gatos, > CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post:mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > -- Sent from my lovely old Dell XPS 420 -- Sent from my lovely old Dell XPS 420 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: [somewhat K3]Radio User Interfaces
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John,
If you are happy with the mouse on the screen image, I suggest you try DXLab suite, or Ham Radio Deluxe, or TRX-Manager, or N4PY software. Each has their own pros and cons, so try them all and pick the one that suits you best. There is also the possibility of doing your functions through macros in a logger such as N1MM - use the K3 Programmer's Reference for a comprehensive guide to what can be done. K3Utility help file contains a great number of suggestions for writing macros. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/15/2012 5:30 PM, John Ragle wrote: > My chief problem (which is not at all troublesome!) is with my fat > fingers. The front panel buttons are somewhat small, and if one is not > sure about whether a putative "push" has worked, one is likely to go > from "touch" to "hold." > > Clearly, making the buttons and the front panel larger is an > inappropriate solution to this problem, although the button spacing on > the P3 is a bit easier to use...that extra millimeter or two makes quite > a difference. > > I do much better with a mouse on a screen image. There has been, off and > on, some discussion of a screen GUI for the K2& K3, though I haven't > seen any contributions to this thread for months. Utilities like FLDIGI > and FLRIG contain a few of the front panel functions such as volume, > power, etc. as well as frequency, and it would not be difficult to write > some parody of a complete interface, using the scripting language for > the K3. > > I am not sure just how practical the result would be to use; there are > many functions on the front panel. It would probably be possible to use > the<shift> and<ctrl> keys to duplicate the touch/hold dichotomy of the > actual front panel. > > Has anyone given substantial thought to this? It is tantamount to > designing a remote software control panel for the K3... > > Please, no flames...I can already hear the screams of anguish from those > K3 users who do not want their box soiled by contact with a computer, > e.g. "why did you buy a K3 if you hate it so much?" [I don't hate my K3, > I love it.] > > John Ragle -- W1ZI > > ===== > > On 4/15/2012 4:57 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >> Many people who are involved with User Interface (UI) design >> think that user errors frequently reflect design flaws in the >> UI. While I wouldn't go as far as to say all user errors result >> from UI flaws, I do think that better UI design can >> significantly reduce the number or severity of user errors. >> >> My wife (KI6SLX), a retired Apple quality assurance manager, had >> a long conversation with an Elecraft representative at RadioFest >> in Monterey recently. Her interest was whether she could learn >> to use the radio. (She has no HF operating experience. Her 2+ >> year use of a FT-60 has been punctuated with frequent screams of >> anguish.) As he led her through the UI, she noticed that there >> was a logic to the way things worked. She realized she could >> build a mental model of the radio's operation and possibly even >> use it without constant reference to the manual. That >> conversation is one of the reasons I now have a K3. >> >> Is the K3 UI perfect? Of course not. But, it is quite good. One >> way to make it better is to look at user errors and ask, "How >> can we change the UI to reduce the chance of this error occurring?" >> >> Cheers - Bill, AE6JV >> >> On 4/13/12 at 12:47,[hidden email] (Ian Kahn - Ham) wrote: >> >>> It's a safe (but unscientifically generated statistic) bet that >>> 70-80% of the issues/problems reported on this forum are user >>> error or lack of knowledge/understanding about the rig. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bill Frantz | Privacy is dead, get over | Periwinkle >> (408)356-8506 | it. | 16345 >> Englewood Ave >> www.pwpconsult.com | - Scott McNealy | Los Gatos, >> CA 95032 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post:mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >> Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: [somewhat K3]Radio User Interfaces
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I did two things to improve the user interface of my K3. My guess is that this eliminated
95% of my serious user errors: 1) Put a piece of tape over the V->M button. Now I don't mistake it for M->V. 2) Created SPLIT and UNSPLIT macros, operated by one of the memory buttons. SPLIT activates SPLIT, turns on the subreceiver and sets VFO B up 2 kHz; unsplit undoes it. No more "VCO UP UP LID!" On 4/15/2012 1:57 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > Is the K3 UI perfect? Of course not. But, it is quite good. One > way to make it better is to look at user errors and ask, "How > can we change the UI to reduce the chance of this error occurring?" > > Cheers - Bill, AE6JV -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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