The MOJO explained

[GW0ETF]

Fellow Elecrafters,

No black holes yet from the Large Hadron Collider at CERN in HB9 land but seems the first discovery may have been made. It's claimed by some that a new energy form has been found; it's called Elecrafticity.

Apparently it's a new type of wave particle in the Kth dimension and is all pervading. Cool...

Simon, is your K3 feeling heavier and looking smaller? Simon....are you there??

73 and let the force be with us all,

Stewart, GW0ETF
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[KBG Luxford]

Yeah, but didn't they find a piece of string?

73
Kevin

stewart rolfe wrote:

> Fellow Elecrafters,
>
> No black holes yet from the Large Hadron Collider at CERN in HB9 land but seems the first discovery may have been made. It's claimed by some that a new energy form has been found; it's called Elecrafticity.
>
> Apparently it's a new type of wave particle in the Kth dimension and is all pervading. Cool...
>
> Simon, is your K3 feeling heavier and looking smaller? Simon....are you there??
>
> 73 and let the force be with us all,
>
> Stewart, GW0ETF
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[Charly]

First pass at USER evaluation of FT-9000d, K3, ORION 1.

Settings were as alike as possible, band had 5 signals from S-7 to S-1 (in QSO).  20m ssb.

Same speakers, same ant.

Sensitivity:  9=hiss was high pitched and somewhat irritating (no sig)
                      with sig, hiss not discernable.

                 3= most quiet with no sig, more base in audio.

                  1=similar base, higher hiss than 3, but sigs above S-6 sounded vy natural.

All three on vy weak sig.... could not discern any difference.

NR alone:   9= good result but slow processor (?) caused some "blasting" when NR knob turned.

               highest setting kills most hiss. Irritating when knob turned.

         3=  good result, vy vy small processor delay, highest setting kills most hiss.

          1= great result, vy vy small proc. delay, highest setting kills all hiss.

NB alone:  9=vy gud on ignition noise, kills all;  no effect on other noises all knob settings.

               3= IF "wide 7" gives some chop on sigs, otherwise good.

                      DSP "T3-7" same chop.  Lower both settings-no effect on no signal condx.
       
                      no automobile near by.

                1= H only- no effect on no sig condx;  H + 9 gave same result, no car near.


"u Tune"     9=Absolutly great, kills many kinds of noise and BCI.  A "must have" feature!

                 3 and 1 = no have.

Quiet idle (ant connected, no sigs.):  9, 3, 1=  all same,    3 and 1 more bassy.

Controls:   9= Unequalled for controls of vast number on front panel... Built in Display etc.,

                       great fun to use.  Bandscope great for this kind with jagged peaks from bottom

                        of the scale (like all of them now days).  Very useful.

                 3= Bare bones with lots of multi function knobs, This one is not for the knob twiddler.

                 1= Two huge tuning knobs good, but weak weak usefulness of band scope... mostly useless.

                         strange sometimes Cut & BW & PBT interact (turn one affects the other in a bad way)

                         sometimes does not do this.  AF is more base thus less hiss seems to be there.

Overall score:   9= Best base rig, super fun to play with, performance within others' range.

                        3= marginally better on sensitivity but too close to really call;  not enuf knobs.

                        1= dull looking, hard to love, but lots of info on-screen;

                                 Very flexible Ant and VFO A/B and Sub. handling.

Can I keep them all, please mom?


Charles Harpole

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[Charly]

CW OPERATIONAL test---

9= difficult to tune in S-2 CW sig to get rid of strong SSB on nearly same freq.  Never got as good as

the K3, and ringing sets in at 300 and below.  Add DNR with little help if any.  "uTune" is big help but not enuf.

K3= snap to tune out QRM to the level that the CW was ok copy.  Easy to adjust to copyable sig.

NR and NB both on at mid settings yielded even better CW copy (40cw with pirate ssb).  NO ringing

down to .05..... this deserves a "wow".

1=  I just never could get the CW sig clearly despite turning all knobs.  A surprise.  Irritating is the

Hi Cut tracking changing the PBT setting.... I guess this is a "feature" but the K3 same controls are

so much easier to use.  ORION guys--I really tried again and again.

Clear winner:  the K3 on CW....

on to difficult ssb test.


Charles Harpole

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> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: 3 rigs compared
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:09:45 +0000
>
>
> First pass at USER evaluation of FT-9000d, K3, ORION 1.
>
> Settings were as alike as possible, band had 5 signals from S-7 to S-1 (in QSO). 20m ssb.
>
> Same speakers, same ant.
>
> Sensitivity: 9=hiss was high pitched and somewhat irritating (no sig)
> with sig, hiss not discernable.
>
> 3= most quiet with no sig, more base in audio.
>
> 1=similar base, higher hiss than 3, but sigs above S-6 sounded vy natural.
>
> All three on vy weak sig.... could not discern any difference.
>
> NR alone: 9= good result but slow processor (?) caused some "blasting" when NR knob turned.
>
> highest setting kills most hiss. Irritating when knob turned.
>
> 3= good result, vy vy small processor delay, highest setting kills most hiss.
>
> 1= great result, vy vy small proc. delay, highest setting kills all hiss.
>
> NB alone: 9=vy gud on ignition noise, kills all; no effect on other noises all knob settings.
>
> 3= IF "wide 7" gives some chop on sigs, otherwise good.
>
> DSP "T3-7" same chop. Lower both settings-no effect on no signal condx.
>
> no automobile near by.
>
> 1= H only- no effect on no sig condx; H + 9 gave same result, no car near.
>
>
> "u Tune" 9=Absolutly great, kills many kinds of noise and BCI. A "must have" feature!
>
> 3 and 1 = no have.
>
> Quiet idle (ant connected, no sigs.): 9, 3, 1= all same, 3 and 1 more bassy.
>
> Controls: 9= Unequalled for controls of vast number on front panel... Built in Display etc.,
>
> great fun to use. Bandscope great for this kind with jagged peaks from bottom
>
> of the scale (like all of them now days). Very useful.
>
> 3= Bare bones with lots of multi function knobs, This one is not for the knob twiddler.
>
> 1= Two huge tuning knobs good, but weak weak usefulness of band scope... mostly useless.
>
> strange sometimes Cut & BW & PBT interact (turn one affects the other in a bad way)
>
> sometimes does not do this. AF is more base thus less hiss seems to be there.
>
> Overall score: 9= Best base rig, super fun to play with, performance within others' range.
>
> 3= marginally better on sensitivity but too close to really call; not enuf knobs.
>
> 1= dull looking, hard to love, but lots of info on-screen;
>
> Very flexible Ant and VFO A/B and Sub. handling.
>
> Can I keep them all, please mom?
>
>
> Charles Harpole
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
>

ele
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[N5GE]

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:38:46 +0000, Charles Harpole <[hidden email]> wrote:

In Line:

>
>CW OPERATIONAL test---
>
>9= difficult to tune in S-2 CW sig to get rid of strong SSB on nearly same freq.  Never got as good as
>
>the K3, and ringing sets in at 300 and below.  Add DNR with little help if any.  "uTune" is big help but not enuf.
>
>K3= snap to tune out QRM to the level that the CW was ok copy.  Easy to adjust to copyable sig.
>
>NR and NB both on at mid settings yielded even better CW copy (40cw with pirate ssb).  NO ringing
>
>down to .05..... this deserves a "wow".

Since I rarely work SSB this must be the reason the O II here is on the shelf
and the K3 rules the operating position here at N5GE.

>
>1=  I just never could get the CW sig clearly despite turning all knobs.  A surprise.  Irritating is the
>
>Hi Cut tracking changing the PBT setting.... I guess this is a "feature" but the K3 same controls are
>
>so much easier to use.  ORION guys--I really tried again and again.

Same experience with the O II...

>
>Clear winner:  the K3 on CW....

Yep

>
>on to difficult ssb test.
>
>
>Charles Harpole
>
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[Simon (HB9DRV)]

The new FTDX-9000 hardware is far better from what I hear, should ship later
this year.

I like the (odd) ergonomics of the FTDX-9000. Don't like the price :-)

Simon Brown, HB9DRV
www.ham-radio-deluxe.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Childers, N5GE" <[hidden email]>

>
>CW OPERATIONAL test---
>

[snip]

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[Joe Subich, W4TV-3]

> "u Tune"     9=Absolutly great, kills many kinds of noise and
> BCI.  A "must have" feature!

If "u Tune" reduces noise, the receiver is suffering from intermod
or "window AGC" issues.  Simply tightening the front end (a preselector)
should not decrease the noise within the detector bandwidth.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
   

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Charles Harpole
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 6:10 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] 3 rigs compared
>
>
>
> First pass at USER evaluation of FT-9000d, K3, ORION 1.
>
> Settings were as alike as possible, band had 5 signals from
> S-7 to S-1 (in QSO).  20m ssb.
>
> Same speakers, same ant.
>
> Sensitivity:  9=hiss was high pitched and somewhat irritating (no sig)
>                       with sig, hiss not discernable.
>
>                  3= most quiet with no sig, more base in audio.
>
>                   1=similar base, higher hiss than 3, but
> sigs above S-6 sounded vy natural.
>
> All three on vy weak sig.... could not discern any difference.
>
> NR alone:   9= good result but slow processor (?) caused some
> "blasting" when NR knob turned.
>
>                highest setting kills most hiss. Irritating
> when knob turned.
>
>          3=  good result, vy vy small processor delay,
> highest setting kills most hiss.
>
>           1= great result, vy vy small proc. delay, highest
> setting kills all hiss.
>
> NB alone:  9=vy gud on ignition noise, kills all;  no effect
> on other noises all knob settings.
>
>                3= IF "wide 7" gives some chop on sigs, otherwise good.
>
>                       DSP "T3-7" same chop.  Lower both
> settings-no effect on no signal condx.
>        
>                       no automobile near by.
>
>                 1= H only- no effect on no sig condx;  H + 9
> gave same result, no car near.
>
>
> "u Tune"     9=Absolutly great, kills many kinds of noise and
> BCI.  A "must have" feature!
>
>                  3 and 1 = no have.
>
> Quiet idle (ant connected, no sigs.):  9, 3, 1=  all same,    
> 3 and 1 more bassy.
>
> Controls:   9= Unequalled for controls of vast number on
> front panel... Built in Display etc.,
>
>                        great fun to use.  Bandscope great for
> this kind with jagged peaks from bottom
>
>                         of the scale (like all of them now
> days).  Very useful.
>
>                  3= Bare bones with lots of multi function
> knobs, This one is not for the knob twiddler.
>
>                  1= Two huge tuning knobs good, but weak weak
> usefulness of band scope... mostly useless.
>
>                          strange sometimes Cut & BW & PBT
> interact (turn one affects the other in a bad way)
>
>                          sometimes does not do this.  AF is
> more base thus less hiss seems to be there.
>
> Overall score:   9= Best base rig, super fun to play with,
> performance within others' range.
>
>                         3= marginally better on sensitivity
> but too close to really call;  not enuf knobs.
>
>                         1= dull looking, hard to love, but
> lots of info on-screen;
>
>                                  Very flexible Ant and VFO
> A/B and Sub. handling.
>
> Can I keep them all, please mom?
>
>
> Charles Harpole
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
>
>
>
>
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see the rare data at:
http://www.remeeus.eu/hamradio/pa1hr/productreview.htm
9) 78 dbm
3) 102 dbm


73
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K2 1331
K3 115

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
> [hidden email]] Im Auftrag von Joe Subich, W4TV
> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. September 2008 16:20
> An: 'Charles Harpole'; [hidden email]
> Betreff: RE: [Elecraft] 3 rigs compared
>
>
> > "u Tune"     9=Absolutly great, kills many kinds of noise and
> > BCI.  A "must have" feature!
>
> If "u Tune" reduces noise, the receiver is suffering from intermod
> or "window AGC" issues.  Simply tightening the front end (a preselector)
> should not decrease the noise within the detector bandwidth.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Charles Harpole
> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 6:10 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [Elecraft] 3 rigs compared
> >
> >
> >
> > First pass at USER evaluation of FT-9000d, K3, ORION 1.
> >
> > Settings were as alike as possible, band had 5 signals from
> > S-7 to S-1 (in QSO).  20m ssb.
> >
> > Same speakers, same ant.
> >
> > Sensitivity:  9=hiss was high pitched and somewhat irritating (no sig)
> >                       with sig, hiss not discernable.
> >
> >                  3= most quiet with no sig, more base in audio.
> >
> >                   1=similar base, higher hiss than 3, but
> > sigs above S-6 sounded vy natural.
> >
> > All three on vy weak sig.... could not discern any difference.
> >
> > NR alone:   9= good result but slow processor (?) caused some
> > "blasting" when NR knob turned.
> >
> >                highest setting kills most hiss. Irritating
> > when knob turned.
> >
> >          3=  good result, vy vy small processor delay,
> > highest setting kills most hiss.
> >
> >           1= great result, vy vy small proc. delay, highest
> > setting kills all hiss.
> >
> > NB alone:  9=vy gud on ignition noise, kills all;  no effect
> > on other noises all knob settings.
> >
> >                3= IF "wide 7" gives some chop on sigs, otherwise good.
> >
> >                       DSP "T3-7" same chop.  Lower both
> > settings-no effect on no signal condx.
> >
> >                       no automobile near by.
> >
> >                 1= H only- no effect on no sig condx;  H + 9
> > gave same result, no car near.
> >
> >
> > "u Tune"     9=Absolutly great, kills many kinds of noise and
> > BCI.  A "must have" feature!
> >
> >                  3 and 1 = no have.
> >
> > Quiet idle (ant connected, no sigs.):  9, 3, 1=  all same,
> > 3 and 1 more bassy.
> >
> > Controls:   9= Unequalled for controls of vast number on
> > front panel... Built in Display etc.,
> >
> >                        great fun to use.  Bandscope great for
> > this kind with jagged peaks from bottom
> >
> >                         of the scale (like all of them now
> > days).  Very useful.
> >
> >                  3= Bare bones with lots of multi function
> > knobs, This one is not for the knob twiddler.
> >
> >                  1= Two huge tuning knobs good, but weak weak
> > usefulness of band scope... mostly useless.
> >
> >                          strange sometimes Cut & BW & PBT
> > interact (turn one affects the other in a bad way)
> >
> >                          sometimes does not do this.  AF is
> > more base thus less hiss seems to be there.
> >
> > Overall score:   9= Best base rig, super fun to play with,
> > performance within others' range.
> >
> >                         3= marginally better on sensitivity
> > but too close to really call;  not enuf knobs.
> >
> >                         1= dull looking, hard to love, but
> > lots of info on-screen;
> >
> >                                  Very flexible Ant and VFO
> > A/B and Sub. handling.
> >
> > Can I keep them all, please mom?
> >
> >
> > Charles Harpole
> >
> > [hidden email]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[Charly]

SSB OPERATIONAL test opinion--

All tests done with max use of all controls to give best sig... so each rig was adjusted differently but to the best function I could obtain for each rig:


First test is on a very weak ssb sig with qsb (just barely readable):

9= fully readable for a good contest exchange, ng for rag chew.  DNR slow on uptake (a fraction of

time before DNR kicked in when the sig first comes on, but after that, very readable with "pinched"

audio range).   DNR used with Contour which boosted audio output and increased copy. Without DNR, wider audio

but reduced readability and no delay.  "u-Tune" always on at center setting.

3=  ok for contest, ng rag chew.  K3 had to have a discernable level of more band noises to give same readabilty,

and with NR on, audio is also decidedly  "pinched."  NB on mid-range;  NR made copy discernably worse at all

settings, some more than others.

1= Just not as sensitive,  about 80% where other two were 90%;  using NB at 5H worked better,  NR no help at

all, so was kept off.  Listening included lots

of "live band" noise to go with lesser signal.  When "live band" noise went down (as tho band is going

out), the desired sig was more readable proportionally --readable beyond what one would expect.

 As on CW, the ONE delivered a more pleasant sounding sig than the

other two, but only when the sig built up to move the S meter;  otherwise, I missed more % of copy.

Weak sig sum... 9 most comfortable to listen to, but 3 very close behind.  1 got nice only with stronger sigs.


Lightning on horizon and other Noises:

9= "Pinched audio" is there, but the punch of the static crashes were bearable.  "u-Tune" and DNR and Contour on.

3=Static crashes caused a kind of pumping with NB and NR on and adjusted to damp the crashes (AGC on fast

 really was uncomfortable; slow, more bearable).  NB alone was best for readability, but the crashes were definitely

worse in sharp peaks of noise.  Higher pitch band noise than other two, ORION 1 bass helped somewhat, see below.

1= More bass made noise more bearable.  Used NB 5H; but switching the NR1 on with this vy weak sig just cut the

rcvr output to zero.  With only NB 5H, bass crashes hurt ears less than 9 and K3.  However, total sig readability was

not as good, and in fact, the reallyweak sig was discernable but not readable in QSB nulls (not as gud as other two).


Overall SSB usage:  The FT9000d was the SSB rig I wanted to listen to for weak sigs on 20m SSB.  K3 was a close

second, but the K3 will spoil u with its superior CW rcvr and leave you wanting on SSBdue to the contrast with CW

if nothing else.  Strong sigs sounded more natural and pleasant on the Orion One where the strong sig overcame

band noise and lightning static.  


IF I HAD TO KEEP ONLY ONE:  it would be the 9000d because I do mostly SSB and I REALLY enjoy all the knobs

and especially the reasonably functional bandscope.  Using the K3 after the 9000 made me search the k3 dial for

more info.  

If I did CW mostly, I would try to add more visuals, remote keypad/tune knob etc. to the K3 via after

market gagets and use only the K3 because it is a CW dream machine.  

ORION has vy nice remote keypad/tuning knob and is unique with TWO amplifier keying lines, vy vy nice.

Overall, for this appliance operator speaking, the FT9000d is just plain

more fun, looking at it, touching it, and using it.   73, end of this opinion stuff.

PS: Tnx to DF0HQ whose CQ contest calls provided over 4 hours of perfectly consistent sig levels--weak with QSB,

and thanks too to the weather for the correctly-distant lightning static.  FT-9000d just in from factory;  K3 just back

from factory;  and ORION ONE is old and using version 1.373b5 (sure wish I cudda included a brand new O TWO).

Only other rigs that shoulda been included are IC-7800, 7700, and maybe the OMNI 7.


Charles Harpole

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> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:38:46 +0000
> Subject: [Elecraft] CW version: 3 rigs compared
>
>
> CW OPERATIONAL test---
>
> 9= difficult to tune in S-2 CW sig to get rid of strong SSB on nearly same freq. Never got as good as
>
> the K3, and ringing sets in at 300 and below. Add DNR with little help if any. "uTune" is big help but not enuf.
>
> K3= snap to tune out QRM to the level that the CW was ok copy. Easy to adjust to copyable sig.
>
> NR and NB both on at mid settings yielded even better CW copy (40cw with pirate ssb). NO ringing
>
> down to .05..... this deserves a "wow".
>
> 1= I just never could get the CW sig clearly despite turning all knobs. A surprise. Irritating is the
>
> Hi Cut tracking changing the PBT setting.... I guess this is a "feature" but the K3 same controls are
>
> so much easier to use. ORION guys--I really tried again and again.
>
> Clear winner: the K3 on CW....
>
> on to difficult ssb test.
>
>
> Charles Harpole
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>> From: [hidden email]
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: 3 rigs compared
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:09:45 +0000
>>
>>
>> First pass at USER evaluation of FT-9000d, K3, ORION 1.
>>
>> Settings were as alike as possible, band had 5 signals from S-7 to S-1 (in QSO). 20m ssb.
>>
>> Same speakers, same ant.
>>
>> Sensitivity: 9=hiss was high pitched and somewhat irritating (no sig)
>> with sig, hiss not discernable.
>>
>> 3= most quiet with no sig, more base in audio.
>>
>> 1=similar base, higher hiss than 3, but sigs above S-6 sounded vy natural.
>>
>> All three on vy weak sig.... could not discern any difference.
>>
>> NR alone: 9= good result but slow processor (?) caused some "blasting" when NR knob turned.
>>
>> highest setting kills most hiss. Irritating when knob turned.
>>
>> 3= good result, vy vy small processor delay, highest setting kills most hiss.
>>
>> 1= great result, vy vy small proc. delay, highest setting kills all hiss.
>>
>> NB alone: 9=vy gud on ignition noise, kills all; no effect on other noises all knob settings.
>>
>> 3= IF "wide 7" gives some chop on sigs, otherwise good.
>>
>> DSP "T3-7" same chop. Lower both settings-no effect on no signal condx.
>>
>> no automobile near by.
>>
>> 1= H only- no effect on no sig condx; H + 9 gave same result, no car near.
>>
>>
>> "u Tune" 9=Absolutly great, kills many kinds of noise and BCI. A "must have" feature!
>>
>> 3 and 1 = no have.
>>
>> Quiet idle (ant connected, no sigs.): 9, 3, 1= all same, 3 and 1 more bassy.
>>
>> Controls: 9= Unequalled for controls of vast number on front panel... Built in Display etc.,
>>
>> great fun to use. Bandscope great for this kind with jagged peaks from bottom
>>
>> of the scale (like all of them now days). Very useful.
>>
>> 3= Bare bones with lots of multi function knobs, This one is not for the knob twiddler.
>>
>> 1= Two huge tuning knobs good, but weak weak usefulness of band scope... mostly useless.
>>
>> strange sometimes Cut & BW & PBT interact (turn one affects the other in a bad way)
>>
>> sometimes does not do this. AF is more base thus less hiss seems to be there.
>>
>> Overall score: 9= Best base rig, super fun to play with, performance within others' range.
>>
>> 3= marginally better on sensitivity but too close to really call; not enuf knobs.
>>
>> 1= dull looking, hard to love, but lots of info on-screen;
>>
>> Very flexible Ant and VFO A/B and Sub. handling.
>>
>> Can I keep them all, please mom?
>>
>>
>> Charles Harpole
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Just a word of Thanks to Charles.  I enjoyed reading the informal A/B/C
test results.  It took me a while to figure out what 9, 3, and 1 meant
but I got it!

- Keith N1AS -
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SSB OPERATIONAL test opinion--

All tests done with max use of all controls to give best sig... so each
rig was adjusted differently but to the best function I could obtain for
each rig:

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