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Richard Squire - HB9ANM

Transferring Configuration to another K3

Trying to transfer my configuration to my second K3, K3 Utility taught me this was not possible because serial numbers were not consistent... After four years using the K3, I still have a lot to learn :-)

So I copied all the menus and Configs one by one, this took nearly an hour but my two K3's now have identical settings.

I wonder whether anyone has found a way to "cheat" on the Utility to make it believe it's the same transceiver? Or what is the reason why this apparently is not allowed?

I'm just curious...

73
Richard - HB9ANM

Richard - HB9ANM

Gary Gregory

Re: Transferring Configuration to another K3

*Richard,

Same here BUT it would be nice if we could "swap" K3 configurations so I
hope somebody figures it out.

I wanted to set up a 2nd K3 the same as mine for a new owner and so i was
forced to do it manually for every setting as the other op didn't have a
laptop either.

Gary
*
On 13 August 2012 19:49, Richard Squire - HB9ANM <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Trying to transfer my configuration to my second K3, K3 Utility taught me
> this was not possible because serial numbers were not consistent... After
> four years using the K3, I still have a lot to learn :-)
>
> So I copied all the menus and Configs one by one, this took nearly an hour
> but my two K3's now have identical settings.
>
> I wonder whether anyone has found a way to "cheat" on the Utility to make
> it
> believe it's the same transceiver? Or what is the reason why this
> apparently
> is not allowed?
>
> I'm just curious...
>
> 73
> Richard - HB9ANM
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Richard - HB9ANM
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Matt Maguire

Re: Transferring Configuration to another K3

In reply to this post by Richard Squire - HB9ANM

Don't forget that the configuration will contain calibration settings that are specific to the hardware on a particular radio -- if you try to transfer them to a different radio, they will not be valid for the new hardware, and you'll need to repeat the alignment procedures. I am guessing that this is why a copy operation is not allowed.

73, Matt VK2ACL.

On 13/08/2012, at 7:49 PM, Richard Squire - HB9ANM <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Trying to transfer my configuration to my second K3, K3 Utility taught me
> this was not possible because serial numbers were not consistent... After
> four years using the K3, I still have a lot to learn :-)
>
> So I copied all the menus and Configs one by one, this took nearly an hour
> but my two K3's now have identical settings.
>
> I wonder whether anyone has found a way to "cheat" on the Utility to make it
> believe it's the same transceiver? Or what is the reason why this apparently
> is not allowed?
>
> I'm just curious...
>
> 73
> Richard - HB9ANM
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Richard - HB9ANM
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Holger Schurig-2

Re: Transferring Configuration to another K3

So what he obviously asked (between the line) is a configuration
transfer of all the settings that are NOT transceiver dependend. E.g.
such a function coult transfer memory settings, but not filter
installation or calibration data.
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Gary Gregory

Re: Transferring Configuration to another K3

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*Matt,

DOH!..I missed that also. You are correct I suspect.

Come to think of it, the two K3's I was using had similar HW specs and
options but were not identical and therefore would not have worked the same.

It did me good to go through the procedure of setting up all the K3 'user'
settings and I helped with the EQ settings and all worked well through the
RD contest.

Regards,
Gary
*
On 13 August 2012 20:11, Matt Maguire <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Don't forget that the configuration will contain calibration settings that
> are specific to the hardware on a particular radio -- if you try to
> transfer them to a different radio, they will not be valid for the new
> hardware, and you'll need to repeat the alignment procedures. I am guessing
> that this is why a copy operation is not allowed.
>
> 73, Matt VK2ACL.
>
>
> On 13/08/2012, at 7:49 PM, Richard Squire - HB9ANM <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Trying to transfer my configuration to my second K3, K3 Utility taught me
> > this was not possible because serial numbers were not consistent... After
> > four years using the K3, I still have a lot to learn :-)
> >
> > So I copied all the menus and Configs one by one, this took nearly an
> hour
> > but my two K3's now have identical settings.
> >
> > I wonder whether anyone has found a way to "cheat" on the Utility to
> make it
> > believe it's the same transceiver? Or what is the reason why this
> apparently
> > is not allowed?
> >
> > I'm just curious...
> >
> > 73
> > Richard - HB9ANM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Richard - HB9ANM
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Thomas Norff

Re: Transferring Configuration to another K3

In reply to this post by Gary Gregory

Hi,
i invested a bit of time to analyze the config-file ..

There are different information inside this file
- some are dedicated to a single device (calibration values,...) and should never be shared
- some are interchangeable (settings, ... ) and could be shared, but had to be rearranged dependant on the konfiguration of the K3
otherwise one could only share configurations between equal configured K3
- ...

One possible way would be to use a webpage to describe the configuration (modules, settings, ...) and upload the config.
Each config would have to be separated into transverable peaces (by software ...)

Based on this peaces one could create a new config, or mix it with an existing config.

This is technically possible but there is still a chance to 'scramble' your K3.

Maybe it would be better to use a software to control the K3, like a user in front of the K3, to modify settings.

73 de Thomas, DM7TN (K3 #078)

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An: Richard Squire - HB9ANM <[hidden email]>
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Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] Transferring Configuration to another K3
Datum: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:09:08 +0200

*Richard,

Same here BUT it would be nice if we could "swap" K3 configurations so I
hope somebody figures it out.

I wanted to set up a 2nd K3 the same as mine for a new owner and so i was
forced to do it manually for every setting as the other op didn't have a
laptop either.

Gary
*
On 13 August 2012 19:49, Richard Squire - HB9ANM <[hidden email]> wrote:

--
*Gary*
*Start the day off slow, then taper off.........*
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Richard Squire - HB9ANM

Re: Transferring Configuration to another K3

In reply to this post by Holger Schurig-2

That was not quite the idea "between the lines", Holger, but you are right: I was only thinking of my two K3's which are software- and hardwarewise 100% identical. Otherwise, I wouldn't have tried to configure a transceiver with different options installed.
Thanks for pointing that out and thanks to all who responded.

73
Richard

Richard - HB9ANM

Matt Zilmer

Re: Transferring Configuration to another K3

I examined the config files for both K3 and KX3. They're both similar
in that each contains human-readable storage cell contents. KX3 is
done line-by-line with 16 or 32 bytes of stored config per line, and
the K3 file shows one line per byte of stored config info. They're
not compatible, which makes sense if you think about it. The content
(regardless of format) is also not compatible to a large extent;
they're two different radio architectures and cal data is mostly
different between them.

Memory files are a different matter entirely. These are written to
file as XML, so they're an abstraction rather than the radio's stored
contents cell-by-cell. I don't know if Dick made them compatible
between radios, but I suspect he did (he may care to comment, and may
have already done so). Since we have a common K3/KX3 memory utility
now, all that makes sense - the common format. The storage
abstraction between the two radios seems to be identical (100 regular
memories, per-band quick memories, transverter memories). So memory
files between the KX3 and K3 ought to be compatible, and portable
between rigs of same or different type.

Maybe one of the Elecraft gang will clear this up.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 04:40:25 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>That was not quite the idea "between the lines", Holger, but you are right: I
>was only thinking of my two K3's which are software- and hardwarewise 100%
>identical. Otherwise, I wouldn't have tried to configure a transceiver with
>different options installed.
>Thanks for pointing that out and thanks to all who responded.
>
>73
>Richard
>
>
>
>-----
>Richard - HB9ANM

marcelo

KX3+Remoterig > K3

Has anyone managed to use a KX3 to control a remote K3 via remoterig interfaces?

Marcelo, PY1KN

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Dick Dievendorff

Re: Transferring Configuration to another K3

In reply to this post by Matt Zilmer

The XML files written and read by the K3 Frequency Memory Editor can be used
for both the K3 and KX3 and can be used to copy frequency memories from K3
to KX3 and KX3 to K3.

73 de Dick, K6KR

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To: Richard Squire - HB9ANM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Transferring Configuration to another K3

I examined the config files for both K3 and KX3. They're both similar in
that each contains human-readable storage cell contents. KX3 is done
line-by-line with 16 or 32 bytes of stored config per line, and the K3 file
shows one line per byte of stored config info. They're not compatible,
which makes sense if you think about it. The content (regardless of format)
is also not compatible to a large extent; they're two different radio
architectures and cal data is mostly different between them.

Memory files are a different matter entirely. These are written to file as
XML, so they're an abstraction rather than the radio's stored contents
cell-by-cell. I don't know if Dick made them compatible between radios, but
I suspect he did (he may care to comment, and may have already done so).
Since we have a common K3/KX3 memory utility now, all that makes sense - the
common format. The storage abstraction between the two radios seems to be
identical (100 regular memories, per-band quick memories, transverter
memories). So memory files between the KX3 and K3 ought to be compatible,
and portable between rigs of same or different type.

Maybe one of the Elecraft gang will clear this up.

73,
matt W6NIA

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 04:40:25 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>That was not quite the idea "between the lines", Holger, but you are
>right: I was only thinking of my two K3's which are software- and
>hardwarewise 100% identical. Otherwise, I wouldn't have tried to
>configure a transceiver with different options installed.
>Thanks for pointing that out and thanks to all who responded.
>
>73
>Richard
>
>
>
>-----
>Richard - HB9ANM

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N5GE-2

Re: Transferring Configuration to another K3

In reply to this post by Richard Squire - HB9ANM

I browsed the Config files for both of my K3's and saw no noticeable difference
except the serial numbers in the file, but there is a checksum at the bottom of
the file that contains more than meets the eye. Besides, I did not compare the
two with comparison software like UltraCompare, so I don't recommend trying it
to anyone...PERIOD!

Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
ARRL Lifetime Member
QCWA Lifetime Member

On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 02:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Richard Squire - HB9ANM
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