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Bruce Sawyer

Using the Sub Receiver

Apologies in advance if I am misusing this reflector. I just joined it a
moment ago in an effort to get some help.

I recently upgraded my K3 by adding the sub receiver to it. I built the rig
myself, then used it for 5 months without the sub receiver, and just last
week had the sub receiver installed and tested by Elecraft. That gives me
some confidence that it should be working.except that I absolutely cannot
figure out how to use it. Initially I tried to use it the same way I did
the sub receiver in my old FT-1000MP, but I can tell this one doesn't work
that way. If I simply tap SUB, which is what I would have expected, then
the VFO B knob has no effect on what I'm hearing through the right
headphone. The only way I have been able to get the sub receiver to behave
like a sub receiver has been as follows:

a. Set CONFIG:VFO IND to YES. Then set VFO's A and B to different
bands.

b. Tap SUB to turn the sub receiver on, then press and hold SUB to put
it into diversity mode, then tap SUB again.

If I do all of that, then I can hear a different frequency in each ear and
the VFO A and VFO B knobs are respectively controlling the frequencies of
what I hear in each ear. But that is nonsense! I have not been able to get
the rig to do this when both are on the same band. What I want is to have
both VFO's on the same band so that I can listen to the calling station on A
and tune around on the pile-up with B, all the while being able to hear
both frequencies. How do you do that?

It is slowly becoming apparent to me that VFO A, VFO B, and SUB are three
different things. I guess what I'm really asking is how do I get the VFO B
knob to control the frequency of SUB? I have practically memorized pages
37-38 of the user manual and it's still not coming through for me. Help!

Bruce, N6NT

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Matt Zilmer-3

Re: Using the Sub Receiver

Have you tried using SPLIT?

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 16:08:08 -0700, you wrote:

>Apologies in advance if I am misusing this reflector. I just joined it a
>moment ago in an effort to get some help.
>
>
>
>I recently upgraded my K3 by adding the sub receiver to it. I built the rig
>myself, then used it for 5 months without the sub receiver, and just last
>week had the sub receiver installed and tested by Elecraft. That gives me
>some confidence that it should be working.except that I absolutely cannot
>figure out how to use it. Initially I tried to use it the same way I did
>the sub receiver in my old FT-1000MP, but I can tell this one doesn't work
>that way. If I simply tap SUB, which is what I would have expected, then
>the VFO B knob has no effect on what I'm hearing through the right
>headphone. The only way I have been able to get the sub receiver to behave
>like a sub receiver has been as follows:
>
>a. Set CONFIG:VFO IND to YES. Then set VFO's A and B to different
>bands.
>
>b. Tap SUB to turn the sub receiver on, then press and hold SUB to put
>it into diversity mode, then tap SUB again.
>
>If I do all of that, then I can hear a different frequency in each ear and
>the VFO A and VFO B knobs are respectively controlling the frequencies of
>what I hear in each ear. But that is nonsense! I have not been able to get
>the rig to do this when both are on the same band. What I want is to have
>both VFO's on the same band so that I can listen to the calling station on A
>and tune around on the pile-up with B, all the while being able to hear
>both frequencies. How do you do that?
>
>
>
>It is slowly becoming apparent to me that VFO A, VFO B, and SUB are three
>different things. I guess what I'm really asking is how do I get the VFO B
>knob to control the frequency of SUB? I have practically memorized pages
>37-38 of the user manual and it's still not coming through for me. Help!
>
>
>
>Bruce, N6NT
>
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Bruce Sawyer

Re: Using the Sub Receiver

In reply to this post by Bruce Sawyer

Here's a quick update, just to save people from sending me more replies.
Right after I posted I received email from K6KR, an old friend. Dick asked
the right question: "Do you have the KRX3 enabled? Hold the MENU/CONFIG
button for a half second or so, then rotate VFO B to "KRX3", and VFO A to
either "Ant=BNC" or "ANT=ATU". You don't want "not inst"." The answer was
that it was installed, but set to "ANT=BNC". Of course! That's how
Elecraft would have tested it. Once I set it to "ANT=ATU", it immediately
began behaving correctly. Problem solved!

Bruce, N6NT

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bruce
Sawyer
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 4:08 PM
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Subject: [Elecraft] Using the Sub Receiver

Apologies in advance if I am misusing this reflector. I just joined it a
moment ago in an effort to get some help.

I recently upgraded my K3 by adding the sub receiver to it. I built the rig
myself, then used it for 5 months without the sub receiver, and just last
week had the sub receiver installed and tested by Elecraft. That gives me
some confidence that it should be working.except that I absolutely cannot
figure out how to use it. Initially I tried to use it the same way I did
the sub receiver in my old FT-1000MP, but I can tell this one doesn't work
that way. If I simply tap SUB, which is what I would have expected, then
the VFO B knob has no effect on what I'm hearing through the right
headphone. The only way I have been able to get the sub receiver to behave
like a sub receiver has been as follows:

a. Set CONFIG:VFO IND to YES. Then set VFO's A and B to different
bands.

b. Tap SUB to turn the sub receiver on, then press and hold SUB to put
it into diversity mode, then tap SUB again.

If I do all of that, then I can hear a different frequency in each ear and
the VFO A and VFO B knobs are respectively controlling the frequencies of
what I hear in each ear. But that is nonsense! I have not been able to get
the rig to do this when both are on the same band. What I want is to have
both VFO's on the same band so that I can listen to the calling station on A
and tune around on the pile-up with B, all the while being able to hear
both frequencies. How do you do that?

It is slowly becoming apparent to me that VFO A, VFO B, and SUB are three
different things. I guess what I'm really asking is how do I get the VFO B
knob to control the frequency of SUB? I have practically memorized pages
37-38 of the user manual and it's still not coming through for me. Help!

Bruce, N6NT

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Michael Eberle

Re: Using the Sub Receiver

Another thing that you may want to check and/or experiment with is
CONFIG: L-MIX-R which will let you select which VFO(s) you hear in which
ear of your headphones.

Mike
KI0HA

On 4/18/2015 6:29 PM, Bruce Sawyer wrote:

> Here's a quick update, just to save people from sending me more replies.
> Right after I posted I received email from K6KR, an old friend. Dick asked
> the right question: "Do you have the KRX3 enabled? Hold the MENU/CONFIG
> button for a half second or so, then rotate VFO B to "KRX3", and VFO A to
> either "Ant=BNC" or "ANT=ATU". You don't want "not inst"." The answer was
> that it was installed, but set to "ANT=BNC". Of course! That's how
> Elecraft would have tested it. Once I set it to "ANT=ATU", it immediately
> began behaving correctly. Problem solved!
>
> Bruce, N6NT
>
>

Vic Rosenthal

Re: Using the Sub Receiver

In reply to this post by Bruce Sawyer

Setting up the subreceiver can be quite confusing, especially if you are using it both for diversity and for pileups. The Fred Cady KE7X manual has a very good discussion of this, with several diagrams.

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO

> On Apr 19, 2015, at 2:29 AM, Bruce Sawyer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Here's a quick update, just to save people from sending me more replies.
> Right after I posted I received email from K6KR, an old friend. Dick asked
> the right question: "Do you have the KRX3 enabled? Hold the MENU/CONFIG
> button for a half second or so, then rotate VFO B to "KRX3", and VFO A to
> either "Ant=BNC" or "ANT=ATU". You don't want "not inst"." The answer was
> that it was installed, but set to "ANT=BNC". Of course! That's how
> Elecraft would have tested it. Once I set it to "ANT=ATU", it immediately
> began behaving correctly. Problem solved!
>
> Bruce, N6NT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bruce
> Sawyer
> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 4:08 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] Using the Sub Receiver
>
> Apologies in advance if I am misusing this reflector. I just joined it a
> moment ago in an effort to get some help.
>
>
>
> I recently upgraded my K3 by adding the sub receiver to it. I built the rig
> myself, then used it for 5 months without the sub receiver, and just last
> week had the sub receiver installed and tested by Elecraft. That gives me
> some confidence that it should be working.except that I absolutely cannot
> figure out how to use it. Initially I tried to use it the same way I did
> the sub receiver in my old FT-1000MP, but I can tell this one doesn't work
> that way. If I simply tap SUB, which is what I would have expected, then
> the VFO B knob has no effect on what I'm hearing through the right
> headphone. The only way I have been able to get the sub receiver to behave
> like a sub receiver has been as follows:
>
> a. Set CONFIG:VFO IND to YES. Then set VFO's A and B to different
> bands.
>
> b. Tap SUB to turn the sub receiver on, then press and hold SUB to put
> it into diversity mode, then tap SUB again.
>
> If I do all of that, then I can hear a different frequency in each ear and
> the VFO A and VFO B knobs are respectively controlling the frequencies of
> what I hear in each ear. But that is nonsense! I have not been able to get
> the rig to do this when both are on the same band. What I want is to have
> both VFO's on the same band so that I can listen to the calling station on A
> and tune around on the pile-up with B, all the while being able to hear
> both frequencies. How do you do that?
>
>
>
> It is slowly becoming apparent to me that VFO A, VFO B, and SUB are three
> different things. I guess what I'm really asking is how do I get the VFO B
> knob to control the frequency of SUB? I have practically memorized pages
> 37-38 of the user manual and it's still not coming through for me. Help!
>
>
>
> Bruce, N6NT
>
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Chester Alderman

Re: Using the Sub Receiver

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Bruce,
You obviously did not get a K3 user manual with your K3? It probably would
be very helpful if you called Elecraft and asked them to send you one....and
oh yea, it would really help with these simple issues if you would read it.

73,
Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bruce
Sawyer
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 7:29 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Using the Sub Receiver

Here's a quick update, just to save people from sending me more replies.
Right after I posted I received email from K6KR, an old friend. Dick asked
the right question: "Do you have the KRX3 enabled? Hold the MENU/CONFIG
button for a half second or so, then rotate VFO B to "KRX3", and VFO A to
either "Ant=BNC" or "ANT=ATU". You don't want "not inst"." The answer was
that it was installed, but set to "ANT=BNC". Of course! That's how
Elecraft would have tested it. Once I set it to "ANT=ATU", it immediately
began behaving correctly. Problem solved!

Bruce, N6NT

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bruce
Sawyer
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 4:08 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] Using the Sub Receiver

Apologies in advance if I am misusing this reflector. I just joined it a
moment ago in an effort to get some help.

I recently upgraded my K3 by adding the sub receiver to it. I built the rig
myself, then used it for 5 months without the sub receiver, and just last
week had the sub receiver installed and tested by Elecraft. That gives me
some confidence that it should be working.except that I absolutely cannot
figure out how to use it. Initially I tried to use it the same way I did
the sub receiver in my old FT-1000MP, but I can tell this one doesn't work
that way. If I simply tap SUB, which is what I would have expected, then
the VFO B knob has no effect on what I'm hearing through the right
headphone. The only way I have been able to get the sub receiver to behave
like a sub receiver has been as follows:

a. Set CONFIG:VFO IND to YES. Then set VFO's A and B to different
bands.

b. Tap SUB to turn the sub receiver on, then press and hold SUB to put
it into diversity mode, then tap SUB again.

If I do all of that, then I can hear a different frequency in each ear and
the VFO A and VFO B knobs are respectively controlling the frequencies of
what I hear in each ear. But that is nonsense! I have not been able to get
the rig to do this when both are on the same band. What I want is to have
both VFO's on the same band so that I can listen to the calling station on A
and tune around on the pile-up with B, all the while being able to hear
both frequencies. How do you do that?

It is slowly becoming apparent to me that VFO A, VFO B, and SUB are three
different things. I guess what I'm really asking is how do I get the VFO B
knob to control the frequency of SUB? I have practically memorized pages
37-38 of the user manual and it's still not coming through for me. Help!

Bruce, N6NT

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Raymond Sills

Re: Using the Sub Receiver

IIRC, all the Elecraft Manuals are available as a PDF download. That
said... sometimes just "reading the manual" isn't enough. Having a
helpful elmer is sometimes even better. :)

73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211

On Apr 18, 2015, at 11:38 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:

> Bruce,
> You obviously did not get a K3 user manual with your K3? It probably
> would
> be very helpful if you called Elecraft and asked them to send you
> one....and
> oh yea, it would really help with these simple issues if you would
> read it.
>
> 73,
> Tom - W4BQF

joemoffatt

Re: Using the Sub Receiver

The manual was so good and in depth that Fred Cady had to write an almost 300 page book about the radio expounding on it to make things more clear!

The K3 is a design marvel and a very sophisticated radio. Sometimes everyone needs a little guidance.

Joe
AB5OR

-------- Original message --------
From: Ray Sills <[hidden email]>
Date: 04/19/2015 7:46 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: W4MIL via Elecraft <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Using the Sub Receiver

IIRC, all the Elecraft Manuals are available as a PDF download. That
said... sometimes just "reading the manual" isn't enough. Having a
helpful elmer is sometimes even better. :)

73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211

On Apr 18, 2015, at 11:38 PM, Chester Alderman wrote:

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Kevin Stover

Re: Using the Sub Receiver

On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 13:55:50 +0000
Joe Moffatt <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The manual was so good and in depth that Fred Cady had to write an almost 300 page book about the radio expounding on it to make things more clear!
>
> The K3 is a design marvel and a very sophisticated radio. Sometimes everyone needs a little guidance.
>
> Joe
> AB5OR

Not exactly true.

I have Fred's books on all the K3, KX3, KPA500, etc..., and they are very good. In several places in Fred's book about the K3 he specifically tells the reader to read the owners manual. If I recall correctly the parts about configuration and calibration are two such spots.

IMHO the sequence of events for a new K3 owner should be Aaaembly Manual if you bought the kit, Operators Manual and Fred's books in that order, before ever turning the radio on.

For technical support Elecraft support, either email or telephone, and this reflector last. The first two will put you in touch with experts, the last, unless you get answers from about a half dozen or so people, and we all know who they are, not so much answers as guesses.

Maybe it was a mistake for Elecraft to offer factory built K3's. People would be forced to RTFM to get the rig built.

--
R. Kevin Stover
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Phil Kane-2

Re: Using the Sub Receiver

On 4/19/2015 7:58 AM, Kevin Stover wrote:

> Maybe it was a mistake for Elecraft to offer factory built K3's.

I can certainly disagree with that. I'm no longer able to do close-in
work and in the absence of someone who is willing to take the time and
effort to built a kit for me (I lucked out on the K2) factory-built is
the only real option for a new rig.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Chester Alderman

Re: Using the Sub Receiver

I also disagree with that statement! Elecraft has the necessary calibrated
(non amateur calibrated) test equipment and the necessary detailed technical
expertise to do the job right. The majority of us hams no longer have
calibrated test equipment and very little technical knowledge to do the job
correct.

73,
Tom - W4BQF

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Using the Sub Receiver

On 4/19/2015 7:58 AM, Kevin Stover wrote:

> Maybe it was a mistake for Elecraft to offer factory built K3's.

I can certainly disagree with that. I'm no longer able to do close-in work
and in the absence of someone who is willing to take the time and effort to
built a kit for me (I lucked out on the K2) factory-built is the only real
option for a new rig.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Kevin Stover

Re: Using the Sub Receiver

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On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 10:58:07 -0700
Phil Kane <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 4/19/2015 7:58 AM, Kevin Stover wrote:
>
> > Maybe it was a mistake for Elecraft to offer factory built K3's.
>
> I can certainly disagree with that. I'm no longer able to do close-in
> work and in the absence of someone who is willing to take the time and
> effort to built a kit for me (I lucked out on the K2) factory-built is
> the only real option for a new rig.
>
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402
>

Building a K3 kit is nothing compared to building the K1 or K2. All of the boards of a K3 kit are already factory alighned and calibrated. No fancy test equipement neccesary. If you can run a screwdriver, ruler, and follow follow instructions you can build a K3 kit.

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Deni F5VJC

Re: Using the Sub Receiver

YES stop the whinging and paranoia. If you choose Elecraft and can't be
bothered to read (and understand) the manual, what can one say?

Guys it's dumbed down as far as possible!

Are we not Radio Amateurs?

73, Deni - F5VJC

On 19 April 2015 at 21:38, Kevin Stover <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 10:58:07 -0700
> Phil Kane <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > On 4/19/2015 7:58 AM, Kevin Stover wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe it was a mistake for Elecraft to offer factory built K3's.
> >
> > I can certainly disagree with that. I'm no longer able to do close-in
> > work and in the absence of someone who is willing to take the time and
> > effort to built a kit for me (I lucked out on the K2) factory-built is
> > the only real option for a new rig.
> >
> > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402
> >
>
> Building a K3 kit is nothing compared to building the K1 or K2. All of the
> boards of a K3 kit are already factory alighned and calibrated. No fancy
> test equipement neccesary. If you can run a screwdriver, ruler, and follow
> follow instructions you can build a K3 kit.
>
>
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> R. Kevin Stover
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Re: Using the Sub Receiver

In reply to this post by Kevin Stover

One small addition to the tool set: You do however need to have a
digital volt meter and know how to use it.

That is one of the basic tools that should be available to anyone that
owns a screwdriver. ;o)

A more elegant tool box would contain surgical clamps (hemostats) and
other similar tools for the fat fingered among us (yes, me), along with
a head worn magnifier for the finer viewing (eyes never improve).

Rick nhc

On 4/19/2015 12:38 PM, Kevin Stover wrote:
> Building a K3 kit is nothing compared to building the K1 or K2. All of
> the boards of a K3 kit are already factory alighned and calibrated. No
> fancy test equipement neccesary. If you can run a screwdriver, ruler,
> and follow follow instructions you can build a K3 kit.

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Re: Using the Sub Receiver

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http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740107%20K3%20Owner's%20man%20D10.pdf

Sat, 18 Apr 2015 23:38:36 -0400 "Chester Alderman"
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