I have been looking through the options, and the manual however I can't
seem to find an option to force VFO B to stay on decode instead of switching back to the frequency. I have been using 0 PWR and the decode to practice CW however since VFO B switches back it makes it difficult to see what I have typed unless I am actively looking at it. Additionally I thought it might be interesting to allow for VFO B knob while on "decode" mode to allow you to scroll back in a conversation ( to a certain buffer limit ). Thank you and I hope to hear if there are any solutions to keep the VFO B on decode, or if this could be a feature that could be added. -- --Zac 858-888-6090 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Hi Zac,
You can use the K3 Utility program and its Terminal window to show the decoded characters when you have decode turned on. You can operate CW, RTTY (FSK D) and PSK (PSK D). You can define 16 memories for each of the modes by clicking Edit Memories. Cheers and 73, Fred KE7X For info on all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com. ________________________________ From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> on behalf of zachary petersen <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:57 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] VFO B / Decode I have been looking through the options, and the manual however I can't seem to find an option to force VFO B to stay on decode instead of switching back to the frequency. I have been using 0 PWR and the decode to practice CW however since VFO B switches back it makes it difficult to see what I have typed unless I am actively looking at it. Additionally I thought it might be interesting to allow for VFO B knob while on "decode" mode to allow you to scroll back in a conversation ( to a certain buffer limit ). Thank you and I hope to hear if there are any solutions to keep the VFO B on decode, or if this could be a feature that could be added. -- --Zac 858-888-6090 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Fred,
I have a KX3 I thought this mailing list was specific to KX3. I did however try the K3 Utility to see if the terminal would output the decoded text however that didn't work. Additionally while in the field you can't / don't always have a computer availble for you to decode the text you are sending, or something that was said a few minutes before. On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:49 PM, Cady, Fred <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Zac, > > You can use the K3 Utility program and its Terminal window to show the > decoded characters when you have decode turned on. You can operate CW, > RTTY (FSK D) and PSK (PSK D). You can define 16 memories for each of the > modes by clicking * Edit Memories*. > > Cheers and 73, > > Fred KE7X > > > For info on all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* [hidden email] <[hidden email]> > on behalf of zachary petersen <[hidden email]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:57 PM > *To:* [hidden email] > *Subject:* [Elecraft] VFO B / Decode > > I have been looking through the options, and the manual however I can't > seem to find an option to force VFO B to stay on decode instead of > switching back to the frequency. I have been using 0 PWR and the decode to > practice CW however since VFO B switches back it makes it difficult to see > what I have typed unless I am actively looking at it. > > Additionally I thought it might be interesting to allow for VFO B knob > while on "decode" mode to allow you to scroll back in a conversation ( to a > certain buffer limit ). > > Thank you and I hope to hear if there are any solutions to keep the VFO B > on decode, or if this could be a feature that could be added. > > -- > --Zac > 858-888-6090 <(858)%20888-6090> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] <[hidden email]> > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > -- --Zac 858-888-6090 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
You’re not the first person to request that we have a choice of Decode OR Frequency in VFO B window.
Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 8, 2017, at 11:51 AM, zachary petersen <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Fred, > I have a KX3 I thought this mailing list was specific to KX3. I did however > try the K3 Utility to see if the terminal would output the decoded text > however that didn't work. Additionally while in the field you can't / don't > always have a computer availble for you to decode the text you are sending, > or something that was said a few minutes before. > > >> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:49 PM, Cady, Fred <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Hi Zac, >> >> You can use the K3 Utility program and its Terminal window to show the >> decoded characters when you have decode turned on. You can operate CW, >> RTTY (FSK D) and PSK (PSK D). You can define 16 memories for each of the >> modes by clicking * Edit Memories*. >> >> Cheers and 73, >> >> Fred KE7X >> >> >> For info on all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* [hidden email] <[hidden email]> >> on behalf of zachary petersen <[hidden email]> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:57 PM >> *To:* [hidden email] >> *Subject:* [Elecraft] VFO B / Decode >> >> I have been looking through the options, and the manual however I can't >> seem to find an option to force VFO B to stay on decode instead of >> switching back to the frequency. I have been using 0 PWR and the decode to >> practice CW however since VFO B switches back it makes it difficult to see >> what I have typed unless I am actively looking at it. >> >> Additionally I thought it might be interesting to allow for VFO B knob >> while on "decode" mode to allow you to scroll back in a conversation ( to a ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Bill,
Thanks for responding. What I am mainly referring to is the fact that it switches from decode back to the frequency. I would like it to stay on decode 100%. Is that possible? On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote: > You’re not the first person to request that we have a choice of Decode OR > Frequency in VFO B window. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Dec 8, 2017, at 11:51 AM, zachary petersen <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > > Fred, > > I have a KX3 I thought this mailing list was specific to KX3. I did > however > > try the K3 Utility to see if the terminal would output the decoded text > > however that didn't work. Additionally while in the field you can't / > don't > > always have a computer availble for you to decode the text you are > sending, > > or something that was said a few minutes before. > > > > > >> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:49 PM, Cady, Fred <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Zac, > >> > >> You can use the K3 Utility program and its Terminal window to show the > >> decoded characters when you have decode turned on. You can operate CW, > >> RTTY (FSK D) and PSK (PSK D). You can define 16 memories for each of > the > >> modes by clicking * Edit Memories*. > >> > >> Cheers and 73, > >> > >> Fred KE7X > >> > >> > >> For info on all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com. > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> *From:* [hidden email] <[hidden email]. > net> > >> on behalf of zachary petersen <[hidden email]> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:57 PM > >> *To:* [hidden email] > >> *Subject:* [Elecraft] VFO B / Decode > >> > >> I have been looking through the options, and the manual however I can't > >> seem to find an option to force VFO B to stay on decode instead of > >> switching back to the frequency. I have been using 0 PWR and the decode > to > >> practice CW however since VFO B switches back it makes it difficult to > see > >> what I have typed unless I am actively looking at it. > >> > >> Additionally I thought it might be interesting to allow for VFO B knob > >> while on "decode" mode to allow you to scroll back in a conversation ( > to a > > -- --Zac 858-888-6090 <(858)%20888-6090> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
I have the same complaint about time, when displaying time in VFO B - it toggles between time and frequency. I'd like it to stick to what I set it to! Bob W3DK
-----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of zachary petersen Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 12:21 PM To: Nr4c; Cady, Fred; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VFO B / Decode Bill, Thanks for responding. What I am mainly referring to is the fact that it switches from decode back to the frequency. I would like it to stay on decode 100%. Is that possible? On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote: > You’re not the first person to request that we have a choice of Decode > OR Frequency in VFO B window. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Dec 8, 2017, at 11:51 AM, zachary petersen > > <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > > Fred, > > I have a KX3 I thought this mailing list was specific to KX3. I did > however > > try the K3 Utility to see if the terminal would output the decoded > > text however that didn't work. Additionally while in the field you > > can't / > don't > > always have a computer availble for you to decode the text you are > sending, > > or something that was said a few minutes before. > > > > > >> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:49 PM, Cady, Fred <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Zac, > >> > >> You can use the K3 Utility program and its Terminal window to show > >> the decoded characters when you have decode turned on. You can > >> operate CW, RTTY (FSK D) and PSK (PSK D). You can define 16 > >> memories for each of > the > >> modes by clicking * Edit Memories*. > >> > >> Cheers and 73, > >> > >> Fred KE7X > >> > >> > >> For info on all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com. > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> *From:* [hidden email] <[hidden email]. > net> > >> on behalf of zachary petersen <[hidden email]> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:57 PM > >> *To:* [hidden email] > >> *Subject:* [Elecraft] VFO B / Decode > >> > >> I have been looking through the options, and the manual however I > >> can't seem to find an option to force VFO B to stay on decode > >> instead of switching back to the frequency. I have been using 0 PWR > >> and the decode > to > >> practice CW however since VFO B switches back it makes it difficult > >> to > see > >> what I have typed unless I am actively looking at it. > >> > >> Additionally I thought it might be interesting to allow for VFO B > >> knob while on "decode" mode to allow you to scroll back in a > >> conversation ( > to a > > -- --Zac 858-888-6090 <(858)%20888-6090> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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That’s what I want too.
But, alas, it’s not possible until Elecraft makes it so. I’d settle for a menu choice. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Dec 8, 2017, at 12:20 PM, zachary petersen <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Bill, > Thanks for responding. What I am mainly referring to is the fact that it switches from decode back to the frequency. I would like it to stay on decode 100%. Is that possible? > >> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote: >> You’re not the first person to request that we have a choice of Decode OR Frequency in VFO B window. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill >> >> >> > On Dec 8, 2017, at 11:51 AM, zachary petersen <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > >> > Fred, >> > I have a KX3 I thought this mailing list was specific to KX3. I did however >> > try the K3 Utility to see if the terminal would output the decoded text >> > however that didn't work. Additionally while in the field you can't / don't >> > always have a computer availble for you to decode the text you are sending, >> > or something that was said a few minutes before. >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:49 PM, Cady, Fred <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Zac, >> >> >> >> You can use the K3 Utility program and its Terminal window to show the >> >> decoded characters when you have decode turned on. You can operate CW, >> >> RTTY (FSK D) and PSK (PSK D). You can define 16 memories for each of the >> >> modes by clicking * Edit Memories*. >> >> >> >> Cheers and 73, >> >> >> >> Fred KE7X >> >> >> >> >> >> For info on all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [hidden email] <[hidden email]> >> >> on behalf of zachary petersen <[hidden email]> >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:57 PM >> >> *To:* [hidden email] >> >> *Subject:* [Elecraft] VFO B / Decode >> >> >> >> I have been looking through the options, and the manual however I can't >> >> seem to find an option to force VFO B to stay on decode instead of >> >> switching back to the frequency. I have been using 0 PWR and the decode to >> >> practice CW however since VFO B switches back it makes it difficult to see >> >> what I have typed unless I am actively looking at it. >> >> >> >> Additionally I thought it might be interesting to allow for VFO B knob >> >> while on "decode" mode to allow you to scroll back in a conversation ( to a >> > > > > -- > --Zac > 858-888-6090 Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Re: I’d settle for a menu choice.
That would be nice. Something like "STKY DECODE ON/OFF". Read that as: Sticky decode display on or off. The KX3 Utility works well, but requires a compurer. The PX3 will give you several lines, the Ham Central Terminal and Sidekar give you many more, but detract from the KX3's ability to operate stand alone. I never use DECODE for CW, but I would consider it for stand alone RTTY or PSK if it wasn't so distracting. Mark KE6BB null ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Dear all,
I am trying to understand if it is possible to get a kx2 decode cw tx for code practising purposes if using a straight key. I get everything working nicely using the internal paddle but I cannot get it working with an external straight key connected to the 3.5mm key contact. I do manage to get the monitoring side tone but I get no decoding. Anyone knows if this soukld be possible and how? Bjorn/sa0bxi . ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Sorry, Bjorn, transmit text decode only works with the internal keyer.
There is another way. You could build a simple crystal oscillator that puts out a weak signal somewhere in the KX2’s receive tuning range. Once you tune into that signal, the decoder could track your CW regardless of how you send it. I believe it will go down to about 8 WPM. You’ll need to experiment with the decoder’s RX THR setting. 73, Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Dec 27, 2017, at 9:35 AM, Bjorn Pehrson <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am trying to understand if it is possible to get a kx2 decode cw tx for code practising purposes if using a straight key. > I get everything working nicely using the internal paddle but I cannot get it working with an external straight key connected to the 3.5mm key contact. > > I do manage to get the monitoring side tone but I get no decoding. > > Anyone knows if this soukld be possible and how? > > Bjorn/sa0bxi > . > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Hi Bjorn:
Personally, I think the best way to practice morse using a hand key, is to simply get on the air and make QSOs. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Tnx for info and tip Wayne. Will try.
Bjorn/sa0bxi On 2017-12-27 19:05, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Sorry, Bjorn, transmit text decode only works with the internal keyer. > > There is another way. You could build a simple crystal oscillator that puts out a weak signal somewhere in the KX2’s receive tuning range. Once you tune into that signal, the decoder could track your CW regardless of how you send it. I believe it will go down to about 8 WPM. You’ll need to experiment with the decoder’s RX THR setting. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > >> On Dec 27, 2017, at 9:35 AM, Bjorn Pehrson <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> I am trying to understand if it is possible to get a kx2 decode cw tx for code practising purposes if using a straight key. >> I get everything working nicely using the internal paddle but I cannot get it working with an external straight key connected to the 3.5mm key contact. >> >> I do manage to get the monitoring side tone but I get no decoding. >> >> Anyone knows if this soukld be possible and how? >> >> Bjorn/sa0bxi >> . >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > . > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Bjorn,
theoretically, it would be possible. However, our human ability to recognize patterns is remarkably good; and therefore our ‘wetware’ can hear things (such as straight key) without special effort, whereas the machine may see only gibberish. In principle, machine learning could be applied to this task; but, to my knowledge, none has. I’ve read that the Morse decoding integrated into the Elecraft firmware is very, very good; however, I would wager a Left Hand Milk Stout that it would fail to decode all but the most precise straight key sending 73 de KX2CW kn ~joan Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet. Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh. > On Dec 27, 2017, at 09:35, Bjorn Pehrson <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am trying to understand if it is possible to get a kx2 decode cw tx for code practising purposes if using a straight key. > I get everything working nicely using the internal paddle but I cannot get it working with an external straight key connected to the 3.5mm key contact. > > I do manage to get the monitoring side tone but I get no decoding. > > Anyone knows if this soukld be possible and how? > > Bjorn/sa0bxi > . > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Jim, Joan, Ray, Ron, Wayne,
Thanks a lot for broadening my perspectives on cw code practicing, including prompting me to learn some Tamarian language and find out what a Left Hand Milk Stout is. I am currently somewhere between 13-15 wpm receiving but know little about what I sound like when transmitting, and I feel I should explore that a bit before going on the air. I could try recording/playback but a more interactive way would be nice. And if there is a tool available, I might as well use it rather than reinventing the wheel. However, Jim, I cannot find an app called "Morse Code Agent" in the Google Play Store. Do you have a pointer? I have gone through some of the many Morse code apps in there but have not yet found anyone offering the functionality that you mention. Anyway, I wish you all a Happy New Year 2018. Bjorn/sa0bxi ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Fine business, Bjorn ^_^
One my fav ways to elmer the Morse code as practiced is, in fact, to set folx around a table and pass the ‘transmitting station’ around the table and have a real roundtable QSO (albeit only acoustically) You can use your KX2 as the code practice oscillator by turning VOX off (or even just dialing the power down to 0.0, although the finals will still draw some power even at zero final output). You could just set the rig in the middle and then pass the key around. I’ve used this method for decades tnx fer the chat es c u dn the log = 73 all de KX2CW Joan sk . . PS: Left Hand is a brewery in Colorado (I believe), and their’s is my favourite American-brewed stout ^_^ Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet. Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh. > On Dec 30, 2017, at 13:58, Bjorn Pehrson <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Jim, Joan, Ray, Ron, Wayne, > > Thanks a lot for broadening my perspectives on cw code practicing, including prompting me to learn some Tamarian language and find out what a Left Hand Milk Stout is. > > I am currently somewhere between 13-15 wpm receiving but know little about what I sound like when transmitting, and I feel I should explore that a bit before going on the air. > > I could try recording/playback but a more interactive way would be nice. And if there is a tool available, I might as well use it rather than reinventing the wheel. > > However, Jim, I cannot find an app called "Morse Code Agent" in the Google Play Store. Do you have a pointer? I have gone through some of the many Morse code apps in there but have not yet found anyone offering the functionality that you mention. > > Anyway, I wish you all a Happy New Year 2018. > > Bjorn/sa0bxi > > > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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