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VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

wayne burdick
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Several of us have worked Dulcie Island (VP6DX -- seven K3s!) in RTTY
mode using the K3's CW-to-RTTY feature. This would be an auspicious
occasion to give it a try, if you haven't already. It's quiet easy to
do, as explained in one of our Operating Tips. See:

    http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_operating_tips.htm

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

w7aqk
Hopefully you won't think I "cheated", but I put a message
in one of the memory cells  to use for calling.  Working a
pile-up can get a bit tiresome sending by hand all the time.
So I put "DE W7AQK W7AQK W7AQK K K K"  in memory to do my
calling.  Then when VP6DX came back (after several tries) I
retuned using the paddle.  I guess you could even put the
sig report response in a memory, but I chose not to.

But I have a question!  At what baud rate does a message
come out of memory on RTTY?  On CW its at the rate you have
your keyer set.  So, should I turn the speed up on RTTY?

Dave W7AQK


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Subject: [Elecraft] VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a
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> Several of us have worked Dulcie Island (VP6DX -- seven
> K3s!) in RTTY mode using the K3's CW-to-RTTY feature. This
> would be an auspicious occasion to give it a try, if you
> haven't already. It's quiet easy to do, as explained in
> one of our Operating Tips. See:
>
>    http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_operating_tips.htm
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

wayne burdick
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Hi Dave,

David Yarnes wrote:

> Hopefully you won't think I "cheated", but I put a message in one of
> the memory cells  to use for calling.

We planned it this way  :)  I also recommend that you insert an "IM"
prosign (..--) at the end of any message used in DATA modes to truncate
the usual CW-to-DATA timeout from 4 seconds to about 1 second. The IM
character is ignored in CW mode.


> But I have a question!  At what baud rate does a message come out of
> memory on RTTY?
> On CW its at the rate you have your keyer set.  So, should I turn the
> speed up on RTTY?

It's fixed at 45.45 BPS, or about 60 WPM, the most common RTTY
standard. The keyer speed control has no impact on this. We may support
other standard RTTY speeds in the future.

73,
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Re: VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer


> Hi Dave,

> We planned it this way  :)  I also recommend that you
> insert an "IM" prosign (..--) at the end of any message
> used in DATA modes to truncate the usual CW-to-DATA
> timeout from 4 seconds to about 1 second. The IM character
> is ignored in CW mode.

Perfect!  Guess I missed that little tidbit in the manual!
Works great too.  I have now changed my message to include
the "IM" prosign, and it cuts off instantly--doesn't even
seem like 1 second--more like a few milliseconds.
Previously I had been manually hitting the "XMIT" button to
override the delay.  Too bad it doesn't work on CW, as I
also have a "CQ" message.  Although I'm not typically a
"CQer", but I've found that when the band is quiet
(particularly 30 meters) calling  CQ can liven things up now
and then!

Thanks for the tip Wayne.  Have you thought about having an
"operating hints" class for K3 owners? ( :  Maybe at Dayton
over wine and cheese!

Dave W7AQK


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RE: Re: VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

Greg - AB7R
Dave,

There's a growing Operating Tips page on the ELecraft website.  :)

73
Greg


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Subject: Re: VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer


> Hi Dave,

> We planned it this way  :)  I also recommend that you
> insert an "IM" prosign (..--) at the end of any message
> used in DATA modes to truncate the usual CW-to-DATA
> timeout from 4 seconds to about 1 second. The IM character
> is ignored in CW mode.

Perfect!  Guess I missed that little tidbit in the manual!
Works great too.  I have now changed my message to include
the "IM" prosign, and it cuts off instantly--doesn't even
seem like 1 second--more like a few milliseconds.
Previously I had been manually hitting the "XMIT" button to
override the delay.  Too bad it doesn't work on CW, as I
also have a "CQ" message.  Although I'm not typically a
"CQer", but I've found that when the band is quiet
(particularly 30 meters) calling  CQ can liven things up now
and then!

Thanks for the tip Wayne.  Have you thought about having an
"operating hints" class for K3 owners? ( :  Maybe at Dayton
over wine and cheese!

Dave W7AQK


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Re: Re: VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

Bill Steffey NY9H
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you can just put you call into the memory space  with the IM...
then hitting it several times, as many as you need for repeat ,,,,
( chaining ) ...  the display even tells you it's " chaining" the
memory hits together;

then take over with the paddle...

got ducie rtty today ... on 20 ...

I discovered it dropped the "im" on cw ... by experimenting in the
test mode...guess i could have read it somewhere.

still learniing...

                                  com'on ballistic vfo control........

bill

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RE: VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

N2TK
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Made my first RTTY QSO ever using the CW-to-RTTY feature to work VP6DX.
Neat. Programmed M1 for my send message and programmed M2 with my response.
Also got into a QSO with a CE last night. I need to hook up to a PC or
something so I can use a keyboard. This should make it easier when
"chatting".

73,
N2TK, Tony
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Subject: [Elecraft] VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

Several of us have worked Dulcie Island (VP6DX -- seven K3s!) in RTTY
mode using the K3's CW-to-RTTY feature. This would be an auspicious
occasion to give it a try, if you haven't already. It's quiet easy to
do, as explained in one of our Operating Tips. See:

    http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_operating_tips.htm

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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K3 adjust advice

Charly

Pse some K3 adjustment advice to this appliance operator:
 
1.  My K3-100 factory blt # 309 has vy loud brief noise bursts... specifically the effect if a vfo were transmitting and vy rapidly swished past my rcve freq. The resulting blast of tone is much louder than the voice I am listening to and hurts my ears with headphones on.  What to do?
 
2.  S-3 to 7 BCI on 160-80-40 and 20 with 2.0 filter setting (wider is worse)... I hear AM voice syllibants (puff sounds) and plosives and occasionally distorted music.  This mostly across the bands and definitely is not a single harmonic, altho those come and go from time to time, also.  I have the ICE BCI filter in ant. line just behind rig.  Using 4 different antennas. OK station gnd.  What to do?
 
Gripes:
-Info line on the B VFO space disappears too fast for me after pushing a button and getting info in that line.
-Auto notch on hetrodyne not effective with BW wider than 2.6... no notching.
-Do not know how to adjust the manual notch.
-rig needs a balance control (is it there???) to compensate for one ear being less sensitive than the other (got old fast).
-Heard a 10 over 9 signal ELEVEN kc below its fundamental.... splatter or deficient selectivity??? BW 1.9 and 1.60 settings.
-Auto SPOT seems not to work every time (may be operator error)... Same is true with CW or RTTY decoding read-out.
 
Brags:
-VOX on ssb is really super, best I have ever used and best I can imagine.
-AGC is vy nice except for pops in #1 above.
-CW speed and RF power read-out on the dial... nice.
-Delta f amber light is nice reminder.
-The ATU is lightning fast.... amazing.
-Main knob feel is a delight and tuning rates (selectable) are perfect.  Too, nice to hv the rapid QSY also on the RIT knob!-AF selectable volume boost is needed and is good.
-Rig is physically beautiful and control layout is super... any smaller and trouble, tho.
-Really tacky feet keep light weight rig on the table ok.
-Band width graphic on the big dial.... and many others being there is great.  Dial color is vy nice and vy adjustable.
 
Needs:
-Video output of main dial info and a panadapter (bandscope).... big and urgent need for me.
-Direct keybrd input to send CW and RTTY (is it there now?) to go with the nice CW/RTTY reader.
-Individual band select buttons for direct one-push entry.
-Book needs a list of the front and rear controls by name, number on the illustrations and brief function description (separate from the narrative version that is in the book now).
-Book needs a good index.  Contents page is not enuf.
 
73,
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Re: VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

Tom Hammond-2
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Hi Dave:

The 'baud rate' is always that user for RTTY( 45.45 bauds), BUT the RATE at
which the characters are actually SENT depends upon how fast you can send
them to the K3 using the internal keyer...

If you send CW at 20 WPM to the K3, then each character will be sent at 45.45
baud, but there will be a lot of dead space between each sent character. If you
send CW to the K3 at, say 40 WPM, the characters will still go out at 45.45
bauds, but there'll be less dead time between them...

RTTY sent from MEMORY is converted into RTTY at a character speed somewhat less
that 'full RTTY character speed' because of the conversion process required to
generate the RTTY, but it's probably faster than most of us can (accurately)
send CW by hand via a keyer.

73,

Tom Hammond   N0SS

At 19:45 02/14/2008, T. David Yarnes wrote:

>Hopefully you won't think I "cheated", but I put a message in one of
>the memory cells  to use for calling.  Working a pile-up can get a
>bit tiresome sending by hand all the time. So I put "DE W7AQK W7AQK
>W7AQK K K K"  in memory to do my calling.  Then when VP6DX came back
>(after several tries) I retuned using the paddle.  I guess you could
>even put the sig report response in a memory, but I chose not to.
>
>But I have a question!  At what baud rate does a message come out of
>memory on RTTY?  On CW its at the rate you have your keyer set.  So,
>should I turn the speed up on RTTY?
>
>Dave W7AQK
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "wayne burdick" <[hidden email]>
>To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
>Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:30 PM
>Subject: [Elecraft] VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer
>
>
>>Several of us have worked Dulcie Island (VP6DX -- seven K3s!) in
>>RTTY mode using the K3's CW-to-RTTY feature. This would be an
>>auspicious occasion to give it a try, if you haven't already. It's
>>quiet easy to do, as explained in one of our Operating Tips. See:
>>
>>    http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_operating_tips.htm
>>
>>73,
>>Wayne
>>N6KR
>>
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Re: K3 adjust advice

dj7mgq
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Hi Charles,

You might want to try <[hidden email]> (or  
<[hidden email]>) for numbers one and two.


Concerning #1) Do you have NR turned on when you hear the bursts?  
There was a problem with this several firmware revisions ago.


Concerning #2) Here in Europe I have not noticed anything like this,  
and there are medium and short wave transmitters roughly 4 to 5 miles  
from our club station, where I usually have my K3. Are you sure that  
these products are being produced in your K3 and, for example, not by  
oxidized connectors or the like?


> Do not know how to adjust the manual notch.

It's in the manual, page 24: Hold MAN to adjust the manual notch frequency
using VFO B. This also selects manual notch.


> Auto SPOT seems not to work every time

My experience is, if a signal is not strong enough or if there is more  
than one signal audible then it does have problems auto-tuning.


vy 73 de toby

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RE: VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

Darwin, Keith
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I'm absolutely clueless when it comes to RTTY (call me a RTTY-iot :-).
When doing RTTY the old fashioned way (with a teletype machine) how fast
are chars sent?  I'm assuming they are sent at the operator's typing
speed.  With a computer, are RTTY messages buffered and sent in a burst
when the OP hits send or are they sent 1 char at a time?

If a person generates RTTY from the K3's keyer at 20 wpm is the RTTY
going to look odd to the receiver because of excessive inter-char gaps
or are those gaps rather common since many of us type slower than 60
wpm?

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
- K3 Wave 3 -

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From: Tom Hammond

The 'baud rate' is always that user for RTTY( 45.45 bauds), BUT the RATE
at which the characters are actually SENT depends upon how fast you can
send them to the K3 using the internal keyer...
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Re: VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

w7aqk
Keith,

See the post by Tom Hammond about an hour before your post.
Tom explains it pretty well I think.

Dave W7AQK

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Subject: RE: [Elecraft] VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without
a computer


I'm absolutely clueless when it comes to RTTY (call me a
RTTY-iot :-).
When doing RTTY the old fashioned way (with a teletype
machine) how fast
are chars sent?  I'm assuming they are sent at the
operator's typing
speed.  With a computer, are RTTY messages buffered and sent
in a burst
when the OP hits send or are they sent 1 char at a time?

If a person generates RTTY from the K3's keyer at 20 wpm is
the RTTY
going to look odd to the receiver because of excessive
inter-char gaps
or are those gaps rather common since many of us type slower
than 60
wpm?

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
- K3 Wave 3 -

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Hammond

The 'baud rate' is always that user for RTTY( 45.45 bauds),
BUT the RATE
at which the characters are actually SENT depends upon how
fast you can
send them to the K3 using the internal keyer...
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RE: VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

dj7mgq
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Hi Keith,

> When doing RTTY the old fashioned way (with a teletype machine) how fast
> are chars sent?

Depends on how you look at it. The speed of a character is always the  
same (bit speed) and this defines the baud rate. The number of  
characters per minute depend on your typing speed, assuming that you  
can not type so fast that the machine no longer has enough time to get  
the 5 bits per character out.

> If a person generates RTTY from the K3's keyer at 20 wpm is the RTTY
> going to look odd to the receiver because of excessive inter-char gaps
> or are those gaps rather common since many of us type slower than 60
> wpm?

If you are not transmitting from a stored text (paper strips with  
holes were used for this on the old machines), then gaps are normal.  
Many people feel it is good to use the "shift to letter" character as  
a "diddle" during the gaps.

vy 73 de toby

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Tom Hammond-2
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Hi Keith:

Back in 'the good/bad old days'... when we used model 43 teleprinters,
well before computers, 60 WPM RTTY (45.45 baud) characters were SENT
at 45.45 bauds, but they were generated at or below the speed at which
the operator could type. If he could type 60 WPM, then there was a
steady (60 WPM) stream of characters sent out... if he typed at 20 WPM,
then there was a stream of 45.45 baud characters... spaced out more
widely between each (sent) character. When we started using paper tapes,
the stream of 45.45 baud characters was continuous while the tape was
being read and sent.

With a computer, if text is 'buffered' for sending, then it will be
sent out (still at 45.45 baud character generation speed) but also at
60 WPM character speed.

If someone is using the K3's CW-to-RTTY feature, and sending at 20 WPM,
it will be much akin to watching someone TYPING RTTY using the hunt 'n
peck typing method... maybe the 1-finger typing method.  There will NOT
be added <spaces> between characters (as long at the CW-sending operator
sends good clean CW at whatever speed he's sending. IF, however the CW
op allows excessive spaces between characters within a word (e.g. sends
"HEL LO" instead of "HELLO" the K3 will interpret the first attempt to be
two words and it WILL 'force' a word space between the two chunks of
the intended single word, so the RTTY op will receive "HEL LO" instead of
"HELLO".

So... the name of the game when using the K3's CW-to-RTTY conversion
feature is to SEND AT A SPEED AT WHICH YOU CAN SEND COMFORTABLY _AND_
CLEANLY, WHILE GENERATING CLEAN, WELL-FORMED WORDS AND SENTENCES.

The K3 can't 'guess' at what you wanted to send, nor can it guess at
whether the text you sent was properly spaced... it will send WHAT YOU
SEND! So there's not reason to try to impress anyone with sending faster
than YOU can send cleanly... because your fist WILL be reflected in what
the K3 spits out...!  A good way to tell, is to have CW DECODE enabled
while you are sending... if you see garbage being decoded on-screen
while you're sending, then you're probably the cause of that garbage.
BACK OFF and regroup!

73,

Tom   N0SS


>I'm absolutely clueless when it comes to RTTY (call me a RTTY-iot :-).
>When doing RTTY the old fashioned way (with a teletype machine) how fast
>are chars sent?  I'm assuming they are sent at the operator's typing
>speed.  With a computer, are RTTY messages buffered and sent in a burst
>when the OP hits send or are they sent 1 char at a time?
>
>If a person generates RTTY from the K3's keyer at 20 wpm is the RTTY
>going to look odd to the receiver because of excessive inter-char gaps
>or are those gaps rather common since many of us type slower than 60
>wpm?
>
>- Keith N1AS -
>- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
>- K3 Wave 3 -
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Hammond
>
>The 'baud rate' is always that user for RTTY( 45.45 bauds), BUT the RATE
>at which the characters are actually SENT depends upon how fast you can
>send them to the K3 using the internal keyer...
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VP6DX K3 to K3 on 160

Chris G3SJJ
My 160m QSO is in the log, VP6DX-K3 to G3SJJ-K3. Nice one.

Currently listening to them on 40m at s7 long path, s3 on short path.
1454z. Pair phased gp.

Chris G3SJJ
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Re: VP6DX RTTY QSOs on the K3 -- without a computer

Niel Skousen-2
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I assume that the VP6DX RTTY is being computer generated for the most
part...

Any idea if the CW-RTTY feature is being used on their end ?

Niel
WA7SSA
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K2 #096
(waiting for my K3, ordered last day of '07...)
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Re: K3 adjust advice

Greg - AB7R
In reply to this post by Charly
The Auto-Spot function performs best when the filter is narrow.  I find no problems
when the filter is set at 500 Hz.  It also works in PSK but not (yet) for FSK.

-------------------------
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065
K3#0009

On Fri Feb 15  5:46 , [hidden email] sent:

>Hi Charles,
>
>You might want to try [hidden email]> (or  
>[hidden email]>) for numbers one and two.
>
>
>Concerning #1) Do you have NR turned on when you hear the bursts?  
>There was a problem with this several firmware revisions ago.
>
>
>Concerning #2) Here in Europe I have not noticed anything like this,  
>and there are medium and short wave transmitters roughly 4 to 5 miles  
>from our club station, where I usually have my K3. Are you sure that  
>these products are being produced in your K3 and, for example, not by  
>oxidized connectors or the like?
>
>
>> Do not know how to adjust the manual notch.
>
>It's in the manual, page 24: Hold MAN to adjust the manual notch frequency
>using VFO B. This also selects manual notch.
>
>
>> Auto SPOT seems not to work every time
>
>My experience is, if a signal is not strong enough or if there is more  
>than one signal audible then it does have problems auto-tuning.
>
>
>vy 73 de toby
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