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Rick Tavan N6XI

WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!

The official tally of rigs used by the 59 M/2 teams at WRTC 2014 in New
England includes 75 K3s out of 118 rigs, 63.6%. Way to go, gang!

/Rick

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Truckee, CA
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Bill W4ZV

Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

Below is the actual data and link to the public source of Rick's comment about rigs used in WRTC.

73, Bill W4ZV

P.S. In case others missed it there was a major firmware update (MCU 4.86 DSP 2.83) on June 10. For some reason there was no announcement about it (see http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm )

WRTC data:

http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/aocc/2014-July/016712.html

Andy N2NT is still collecting data, but his preliminary release showed the
following breakdown of radios used at WRTC2014 for 91 radios he compiled.
I'll show the final when he releases it, maybe later this week.

Not surprising figures, as the K3 has a lot of features in a small
package. Great for worldwide travel.

It should be noted that at least 2 of the IC7600's were loaners from
sponsor Icom. One pair went to the YL Team of DL1QQ/DL8DYL, who finished well,
21st.

More when I know more.

73, Bob K8IA

---------------------

K3 63

IC7600 6

TS590 5

FTdx5000 5

FT1000MP 3

IC7800 2

FT1000D 2

IC756pro3 2

Other (IC7700, FT3000, TS850) 3

91

Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

That's more lopsided (2/3 K3's) than the first WRTC after the K3 came
out (1/2 K3's).

73, Guy.

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Bill W4ZV <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Below is the actual data and link to the public source of Rick's comment
> about rigs used in WRTC.
>
> 73, Bill W4ZV
>
> P.S. In case others missed it there was a major firmware update (MCU 4.86
> DSP 2.83) on June 10. For some reason there was no announcement about it
> (see http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm )
>
> WRTC data:
>
> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/aocc/2014-July/016712.html
>
> Andy N2NT is still collecting data, but his preliminary release showed the
> following breakdown of radios used at WRTC2014 for 91 radios he compiled.
> I'll show the final when he releases it, maybe later this week.
>
> Not surprising figures, as the K3 has a lot of features in a small
> package. Great for worldwide travel.
>
> It should be noted that at least 2 of the IC7600's were loaners from
> sponsor Icom. One pair went to the YL Team of DL1QQ/DL8DYL, who finished
> well,
> 21st.
>
> More when I know more.
>
> 73, Bob K8IA
>
> ---------------------
>
>
> K3 63
>
> IC7600 6
>
> TS590 5
>
> FTdx5000 5
>
> FT1000MP 3
>
> IC7800 2
>
> FT1000D 2
>
> IC756pro3 2
>
> Other (IC7700, FT3000, TS850) 3
>
> 91
>
>
>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV

It appears the official report of transceivers and software is here:
http://www.wrtc2014.org/radios-and-software-used/

The K3 was used by more than four times as many competitors than rigs
from any other manufacturer (Elecraft: 75, Yaesu: 16, Icom: 15,
Kenwood: 8, Ten-Tec: 2). Interestingly, 41 of the 59 teams (nearly
70%) used a K3.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2014-07-24 5:57 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:

Dave-7

Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

Here they are sorted in order of finish:

# Call Team RADIO 1 RADIO 2 SOFTWARE
1 K1A N6MJ / KL9A IC7800 IC7800 WINTEST
2 W1L OM3BH / OM3GI K3 IC7600 WINTEST
3 W1P DJ5MW / DL1IAO IC756-3 IC756-3 WINTEST
4 W1Z N5DX / N2IC K3 K3 N1MM
5 N1M K9VV / VE3EJ K3 K3 N1MM
6 W1A LY9A / LY4L FT3000 FT1000MP WINTEST
7 W1D K1LZ / YT6W IC7800 IC7800 WINTEST
8 N1K DK6XZ / DK9IP K3 K3 WINTEST
9 K1D UR0MC / VE3DZ K3 K3 N1MM
10 K1V G0CKV / M0DXR K3 K3 WINTEST
11 K1L S50A / S57AW K3 K3 N1MM
12 K1S W2SC / N2NL K3 K3 WRITELOG
13 K1K RL3FT / RA3CO K3 K3 WINTEST
14 W1S F8DBF / F1AKK TS590 TS850 WINTEST
15 W1M 4O3A / HA1AG K3 K3 WINTEST
16 N1F RW1A / RA1A FTDX5000 FT1000MP WINTEST
17 N1G RX3APM / RV1AW K3 K3 WINTEST
18 N1Z PY1NX / LZ3YY K3 K3 N1MM
19 N1R UA3DPX / UA4FER K3 K3 WINTEST
20 K1R N4YDU / N3KS K3 K3 N1MM
21 N1A DL1QQ / DL8DYL IC7600 IC7600 WINTEST
22 K1N OE3DIA / E77DX K3 K3 WINTEST
23 K1I UU4JMG / UU0JM K3 K3 WINTEST
24 W1W OH2UA / OH6KZP FTDX5000 FTDX5000 WINTEST
25 W1C 9A5K / 9A1TT IC756-3 IC756-3 DXLOG
26 K1G 9A6XX / 9A1UN FT1000MP FT1000MP WINTEST
27 K1P M0CFW / GI0RTN K3 K3 WINTEST
28 K1C KE3X / K0DQ K3 FTDX5000 WINTEST
29 K1T IZ1LBG / WQ2N K3 IC7600 WINTEST
30 N1O RC9O / UA9PM K3 K3 WINTEST
31 N1T ES5TV / ES2RR FTDX5000 FTDX5000 WINTEST
32 W1U LZ4AX / LZ3FN K3 K3 N1MM
33 K1Z VE7CC / VE7SV K3 K3 N1MM
34 K1W K6AM / N6AN K3 K3 WINTEST
35 N1V K7RL / KL2A K3 K3 N1MM
36 N1U K8MR / K9NW K3 K3 WINTEST
37 N1L KU1CW / EA5GTQ K3 K3 N1MM
38 N1W PY2YU / PY2NDX K3 K3 WINTEST
39 W1F CT1ILT / CT1BOH K3 TS590 WINTEST
40 W1O OM2VL / OM3RM K3 IC7600 WINTEST
41 W1N 5B4WN / 5B4AFM K3 K3 WINTEST
42 W1V R9DX / UA9CDV K3 K3 WINTEST
43 W1G F4DXW / F8CMF K3 K3 WINTEST
44 N1S LX2A / YO3JR TS590 TS590 WINTEST
45 N1D NR5M / W2GD K3 IC7700 WINTEST
46 W1T AD4Z / W4UH Orion II Orion II N1MM
47 W1R OH2BH / OH2MM FTDX5000 FTDX5000 WINTEST
48 W1B OE2VEL / OE5OHO FT3000 K3 WINTEST
49 N1C IK2NCJ / IK2QEI K3 K3 WINTEST
50 N1P CX6VM / LU1FAM K3 K3 N1MM
51 N1B YL1ZF / YL2GQT k3 k3 WINTEST
52 W1I W2RE / WW2DX K3 K3 N1MM
53 N1N KH6ND / KH6SH FT1000MP FT1000MP WRITELOG
54 K1B W9RE / N5OT K3 K3 N1MM
55 K1F VY2ZM / KK6ZM FT1000D FT1000D WINTEST
56 W1K BA5CW / BA7IO K3 K3 N1MM
57 K1O JH5GHM / JA1OJE TS590 IC7600 SKOOKUMLOGGER
58 K1M IK1HJS / I4UFH K3 K3 WINTEST
59 K1U KF5EYY / YT1AD TS590 TS590 WINTEST

73 de dave
ab9ca/4

On 7/24/14 6:44 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
> It appears the official report of transceivers and software is here:
> http://www.wrtc2014.org/radios-and-software-used/
>
> The K3 was used by more than four times as many competitors than rigs
> from any other manufacturer (Elecraft: 75, Yaesu: 16, Icom: 15,
> Kenwood: 8, Ten-Tec: 2). Interestingly, 41 of the 59 teams (nearly
> 70%) used a K3.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2014-07-24 5:57 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
>> Below is the actual data and link to the public source of Rick's
>> comment
>> about rigs used in WRTC.
>>
>> 73, Bill W4ZV
>>
>> P.S. In case others missed it there was a major firmware update
>> (MCU 4.86
>> DSP 2.83) on June 10. For some reason there was no announcement
>> about it
>> (see http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm )
>>
>> WRTC data:
>>
>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/aocc/2014-July/016712.html
>>
>> Andy N2NT is still collecting data, but his preliminary release
>> showed the
>> following breakdown of radios used at WRTC2014 for 91 radios he
>> compiled.
>> I'll show the final when he releases it, maybe later this week.
>>
>> Not surprising figures, as the K3 has a lot of features in a small
>> package. Great for worldwide travel.
>>
>> It should be noted that at least 2 of the IC7600's were loaners from
>> sponsor Icom. One pair went to the YL Team of DL1QQ/DL8DYL, who
>> finished
>> well,
>> 21st.
>>
>> More when I know more.
>>
>> 73, Bob K8IA
>>
>> ---------------------
>>
>>
>> K3 63
>>
>> IC7600 6
>>
>> TS590 5
>>
>> FTdx5000 5
>>
>> FT1000MP 3
>>
>> IC7800 2
>>
>> FT1000D 2
>>
>> IC756pro3 2
>>
>> Other (IC7700, FT3000, TS850) 3
>>
>> 91
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

And also note that WinTest was number one logging software. 73, Guy

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:35 AM, dave <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Here they are sorted in order of finish:
>
> # Call Team RADIO 1 RADIO 2 SOFTWARE
> 1 K1A N6MJ / KL9A IC7800 IC7800 WINTEST
> 2 W1L OM3BH / OM3GI K3 IC7600 WINTEST
> 3 W1P DJ5MW / DL1IAO IC756-3 IC756-3 WINTEST
> 4 W1Z N5DX / N2IC K3 K3 N1MM
> 5 N1M K9VV / VE3EJ K3 K3 N1MM
> 6 W1A LY9A / LY4L FT3000 FT1000MP WINTEST
> 7 W1D K1LZ / YT6W IC7800 IC7800 WINTEST
> 8 N1K DK6XZ / DK9IP K3 K3 WINTEST
> 9 K1D UR0MC / VE3DZ K3 K3 N1MM
> 10 K1V G0CKV / M0DXR K3 K3 WINTEST
> 11 K1L S50A / S57AW K3 K3 N1MM
> 12 K1S W2SC / N2NL K3 K3 WRITELOG
> 13 K1K RL3FT / RA3CO K3 K3 WINTEST
> 14 W1S F8DBF / F1AKK TS590 TS850 WINTEST
> 15 W1M 4O3A / HA1AG K3 K3 WINTEST
> 16 N1F RW1A / RA1A FTDX5000 FT1000MP WINTEST
> 17 N1G RX3APM / RV1AW K3 K3 WINTEST
> 18 N1Z PY1NX / LZ3YY K3 K3 N1MM
> 19 N1R UA3DPX / UA4FER K3 K3 WINTEST
> 20 K1R N4YDU / N3KS K3 K3 N1MM
> 21 N1A DL1QQ / DL8DYL IC7600 IC7600 WINTEST
> 22 K1N OE3DIA / E77DX K3 K3 WINTEST
> 23 K1I UU4JMG / UU0JM K3 K3 WINTEST
> 24 W1W OH2UA / OH6KZP FTDX5000 FTDX5000 WINTEST
> 25 W1C 9A5K / 9A1TT IC756-3 IC756-3 DXLOG
> 26 K1G 9A6XX / 9A1UN FT1000MP FT1000MP WINTEST
> 27 K1P M0CFW / GI0RTN K3 K3 WINTEST
> 28 K1C KE3X / K0DQ K3 FTDX5000 WINTEST
> 29 K1T IZ1LBG / WQ2N K3 IC7600 WINTEST
> 30 N1O RC9O / UA9PM K3 K3 WINTEST
> 31 N1T ES5TV / ES2RR FTDX5000 FTDX5000 WINTEST
> 32 W1U LZ4AX / LZ3FN K3 K3 N1MM
> 33 K1Z VE7CC / VE7SV K3 K3 N1MM
> 34 K1W K6AM / N6AN K3 K3 WINTEST
> 35 N1V K7RL / KL2A K3 K3 N1MM
> 36 N1U K8MR / K9NW K3 K3 WINTEST
> 37 N1L KU1CW / EA5GTQ K3 K3 N1MM
> 38 N1W PY2YU / PY2NDX K3 K3 WINTEST
> 39 W1F CT1ILT / CT1BOH K3 TS590 WINTEST
> 40 W1O OM2VL / OM3RM K3 IC7600 WINTEST
> 41 W1N 5B4WN / 5B4AFM K3 K3 WINTEST
> 42 W1V R9DX / UA9CDV K3 K3 WINTEST
> 43 W1G F4DXW / F8CMF K3 K3 WINTEST
> 44 N1S LX2A / YO3JR TS590 TS590 WINTEST
> 45 N1D NR5M / W2GD K3 IC7700 WINTEST
> 46 W1T AD4Z / W4UH Orion II Orion II N1MM
> 47 W1R OH2BH / OH2MM FTDX5000 FTDX5000 WINTEST
> 48 W1B OE2VEL / OE5OHO FT3000 K3 WINTEST
> 49 N1C IK2NCJ / IK2QEI K3 K3 WINTEST
> 50 N1P CX6VM / LU1FAM K3 K3 N1MM
> 51 N1B YL1ZF / YL2GQT k3 k3 WINTEST
> 52 W1I W2RE / WW2DX K3 K3 N1MM
> 53 N1N KH6ND / KH6SH FT1000MP FT1000MP WRITELOG
> 54 K1B W9RE / N5OT K3 K3 N1MM
> 55 K1F VY2ZM / KK6ZM FT1000D FT1000D WINTEST
> 56 W1K BA5CW / BA7IO K3 K3 N1MM
> 57 K1O JH5GHM / JA1OJE TS590 IC7600 SKOOKUMLOGGER
> 58 K1M IK1HJS / I4UFH K3 K3 WINTEST
> 59 K1U KF5EYY / YT1AD TS590 TS590 WINTEST
>
> 73 de dave
> ab9ca/4
>
>
>
>
> On 7/24/14 6:44 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>>
>> It appears the official report of transceivers and software is here:
>> http://www.wrtc2014.org/radios-and-software-used/
>>
>> The K3 was used by more than four times as many competitors than rigs
>> from any other manufacturer (Elecraft: 75, Yaesu: 16, Icom: 15,
>> Kenwood: 8, Ten-Tec: 2). Interestingly, 41 of the 59 teams (nearly
>> 70%) used a K3.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 2014-07-24 5:57 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
>>>
>>> Below is the actual data and link to the public source of Rick's
>>> comment
>>> about rigs used in WRTC.
>>>
>>> 73, Bill W4ZV
>>>
>>> P.S. In case others missed it there was a major firmware update
>>> (MCU 4.86
>>> DSP 2.83) on June 10. For some reason there was no announcement
>>> about it
>>> (see http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm )
>>>
>>> WRTC data:
>>>
>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/aocc/2014-July/016712.html
>>>
>>> Andy N2NT is still collecting data, but his preliminary release
>>> showed the
>>> following breakdown of radios used at WRTC2014 for 91 radios he
>>> compiled.
>>> I'll show the final when he releases it, maybe later this week.
>>>
>>> Not surprising figures, as the K3 has a lot of features in a small
>>> package. Great for worldwide travel.
>>>
>>> It should be noted that at least 2 of the IC7600's were loaners from
>>> sponsor Icom. One pair went to the YL Team of DL1QQ/DL8DYL, who
>>> finished
>>> well,
>>> 21st.
>>>
>>> More when I know more.
>>>
>>> 73, Bob K8IA
>>>
>>> ---------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> K3 63
>>>
>>> IC7600 6
>>>
>>> TS590 5
>>>
>>> FTdx5000 5
>>>
>>> FT1000MP 3
>>>
>>> IC7800 2
>>>
>>> FT1000D 2
>>>
>>> IC756pro3 2
>>>
>>> Other (IC7700, FT3000, TS850) 3
>>>
>>> 91
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>>
>>> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/WRTC-2014-Congratulations-Elecraft-tp7591534p7591535.html
>>>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

On 2014-07-24 12:56 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> And also note that WinTest was number one logging software.

Only due to two accidents - the large number of European teams and that
WRTC does not include any RTTY component. When one looks at teams from
the Americas, N1MM Logger was the more popular logger. When one looks
at the top performers in digital mode contests the results show a much
higher percentage of N1MM logger and WriteLog users.

Win-Test has its pace if one is stuck on a user interface from the last
century and is only concerned for CW (not that either is necessarily
bad).

73,

... Joe, W4TV

>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:35 AM, dave <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Here they are sorted in order of finish:
>>
>> # Call Team RADIO 1 RADIO 2 SOFTWARE
>> 1 K1A N6MJ / KL9A IC7800 IC7800 WINTEST
>> 2 W1L OM3BH / OM3GI K3 IC7600 WINTEST
>> 3 W1P DJ5MW / DL1IAO IC756-3 IC756-3 WINTEST
>> 4 W1Z N5DX / N2IC K3 K3 N1MM
>> 5 N1M K9VV / VE3EJ K3 K3 N1MM
>> 6 W1A LY9A / LY4L FT3000 FT1000MP WINTEST
>> 7 W1D K1LZ / YT6W IC7800 IC7800 WINTEST
>> 8 N1K DK6XZ / DK9IP K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 9 K1D UR0MC / VE3DZ K3 K3 N1MM
>> 10 K1V G0CKV / M0DXR K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 11 K1L S50A / S57AW K3 K3 N1MM
>> 12 K1S W2SC / N2NL K3 K3 WRITELOG
>> 13 K1K RL3FT / RA3CO K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 14 W1S F8DBF / F1AKK TS590 TS850 WINTEST
>> 15 W1M 4O3A / HA1AG K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 16 N1F RW1A / RA1A FTDX5000 FT1000MP WINTEST
>> 17 N1G RX3APM / RV1AW K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 18 N1Z PY1NX / LZ3YY K3 K3 N1MM
>> 19 N1R UA3DPX / UA4FER K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 20 K1R N4YDU / N3KS K3 K3 N1MM
>> 21 N1A DL1QQ / DL8DYL IC7600 IC7600 WINTEST
>> 22 K1N OE3DIA / E77DX K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 23 K1I UU4JMG / UU0JM K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 24 W1W OH2UA / OH6KZP FTDX5000 FTDX5000 WINTEST
>> 25 W1C 9A5K / 9A1TT IC756-3 IC756-3 DXLOG
>> 26 K1G 9A6XX / 9A1UN FT1000MP FT1000MP WINTEST
>> 27 K1P M0CFW / GI0RTN K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 28 K1C KE3X / K0DQ K3 FTDX5000 WINTEST
>> 29 K1T IZ1LBG / WQ2N K3 IC7600 WINTEST
>> 30 N1O RC9O / UA9PM K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 31 N1T ES5TV / ES2RR FTDX5000 FTDX5000 WINTEST
>> 32 W1U LZ4AX / LZ3FN K3 K3 N1MM
>> 33 K1Z VE7CC / VE7SV K3 K3 N1MM
>> 34 K1W K6AM / N6AN K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 35 N1V K7RL / KL2A K3 K3 N1MM
>> 36 N1U K8MR / K9NW K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 37 N1L KU1CW / EA5GTQ K3 K3 N1MM
>> 38 N1W PY2YU / PY2NDX K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 39 W1F CT1ILT / CT1BOH K3 TS590 WINTEST
>> 40 W1O OM2VL / OM3RM K3 IC7600 WINTEST
>> 41 W1N 5B4WN / 5B4AFM K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 42 W1V R9DX / UA9CDV K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 43 W1G F4DXW / F8CMF K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 44 N1S LX2A / YO3JR TS590 TS590 WINTEST
>> 45 N1D NR5M / W2GD K3 IC7700 WINTEST
>> 46 W1T AD4Z / W4UH Orion II Orion II N1MM
>> 47 W1R OH2BH / OH2MM FTDX5000 FTDX5000 WINTEST
>> 48 W1B OE2VEL / OE5OHO FT3000 K3 WINTEST
>> 49 N1C IK2NCJ / IK2QEI K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 50 N1P CX6VM / LU1FAM K3 K3 N1MM
>> 51 N1B YL1ZF / YL2GQT k3 k3 WINTEST
>> 52 W1I W2RE / WW2DX K3 K3 N1MM
>> 53 N1N KH6ND / KH6SH FT1000MP FT1000MP WRITELOG
>> 54 K1B W9RE / N5OT K3 K3 N1MM
>> 55 K1F VY2ZM / KK6ZM FT1000D FT1000D WINTEST
>> 56 W1K BA5CW / BA7IO K3 K3 N1MM
>> 57 K1O JH5GHM / JA1OJE TS590 IC7600 SKOOKUMLOGGER
>> 58 K1M IK1HJS / I4UFH K3 K3 WINTEST
>> 59 K1U KF5EYY / YT1AD TS590 TS590 WINTEST
>>
>> 73 de dave
>> ab9ca/4
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/24/14 6:44 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It appears the official report of transceivers and software is here:
>>> http://www.wrtc2014.org/radios-and-software-used/
>>>
>>> The K3 was used by more than four times as many competitors than rigs
>>> from any other manufacturer (Elecraft: 75, Yaesu: 16, Icom: 15,
>>> Kenwood: 8, Ten-Tec: 2). Interestingly, 41 of the 59 teams (nearly
>>> 70%) used a K3.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2014-07-24 5:57 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Below is the actual data and link to the public source of Rick's
>>>> comment
>>>> about rigs used in WRTC.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Bill W4ZV
>>>>
>>>> P.S. In case others missed it there was a major firmware update
>>>> (MCU 4.86
>>>> DSP 2.83) on June 10. For some reason there was no announcement
>>>> about it
>>>> (see http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm )
>>>>
>>>> WRTC data:
>>>>
>>>> http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/aocc/2014-July/016712.html
>>>>
>>>> Andy N2NT is still collecting data, but his preliminary release
>>>> showed the
>>>> following breakdown of radios used at WRTC2014 for 91 radios he
>>>> compiled.
>>>> I'll show the final when he releases it, maybe later this week.
>>>>
>>>> Not surprising figures, as the K3 has a lot of features in a small
>>>> package. Great for worldwide travel.
>>>>
>>>> It should be noted that at least 2 of the IC7600's were loaners from
>>>> sponsor Icom. One pair went to the YL Team of DL1QQ/DL8DYL, who
>>>> finished
>>>> well,
>>>> 21st.
>>>>
>>>> More when I know more.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Bob K8IA
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> K3 63
>>>>
>>>> IC7600 6
>>>>
>>>> TS590 5
>>>>
>>>> FTdx5000 5
>>>>
>>>> FT1000MP 3
>>>>
>>>> IC7800 2
>>>>
>>>> FT1000D 2
>>>>
>>>> IC756pro3 2
>>>>
>>>> Other (IC7700, FT3000, TS850) 3
>>>>
>>>> 91
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

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This is very interesting. I've been thinking of all the ways you could spin this data other than simply counting radios. For example, Icom could say, "Five out of the top six winning radios were Icoms." Yaesu could say, "When Elecraft owner Martti Laine needed a top performer for WRTC... he reached for his Yaesu!", Kenwood could say, "Think a Kenwood can't beat an Elecraft in a tough contesting situation? Think again." &c.

I think what this all really means is that it comes down to the operator, not the radio... which is the whole reason for WRTC in the first place.

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Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

* On 2014 24 Jul 14:16 -0500, Al Lorona wrote:
>
> This is very interesting. I've been thinking of all the ways you could spin this data other than simply counting radios. For example, Icom could say, "Five out of the top six winning radios were Icoms." Yaesu could say, "When Elecraft owner Martti Laine needed a top performer for WRTC... he reached for his Yaesu!", Kenwood could say, "Think a Kenwood can't beat an Elecraft in a tough contesting situation? Think again." &c.

The months ahead will likely treat us to much advertising spin.

> I think what this all really means is that it comes down to the operator, not the radio... which is the whole reason for WRTC in the first place.

To a point. Supposing the WRTC could be done all over again but the
winning team were given the TS-590S radios instead of the Icoms, would
they still win? Of course, that is impossible to answer, but I will
note that no one showed up with an HW-101!

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Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

In reply to this post by alorona

Yeah, it all depends on how you look at it. Back in the 2010 WRTC it
was pretty much all Elecraft and Yeasu. Icom was there but not nearly
as strong as this year.

When I look over these results I think of the way the drivers finish
in NASCAR races. You pretty much know who the top drivers are, but the
exact order of finish remains to be seen. And this is strongly
affected by luck in a lot of cases.

I think the same here. The top 20 or 25 teams are all excellent ops
with excellent rigs. But who snags a few rare multipliers is often
more luck than skill. Gotta be in the right spot at the right time.

I note that the Russian team that won in '10 finished 16th this time
around. A very respectable showing, but no longer 1st.

73 de dave
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On 7/24/14 2:15 PM, Al Lorona wrote:

>
> This is very interesting. I've been thinking of all the ways you could spin this data other than simply counting radios. For example, Icom could say, "Five out of the top six winning radios were Icoms." Yaesu could say, "When Elecraft owner Martti Laine needed a top performer for WRTC... he reached for his Yaesu!", Kenwood could say, "Think a Kenwood can't beat an Elecraft in a tough contesting situation? Think again." &c.
>
> I think what this all really means is that it comes down to the operator, not the radio... which is the whole reason for WRTC in the first place.
>
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Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

In reply to this post by alorona

Yes, very interesting, and I think most of the credit goes to the
operators, rather than the radios.

However, the fact that a very large percentage of these top operators
*choose* to use the Elecraft K3 does say a lot about the desirability of
the K3 for contesting. Whether that be because of the weight, or
because of the performance and operating interface, you would probably
have to ask each K3 operator about his choice.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/24/2014 3:15 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
>
> This is very interesting. I've been thinking of all the ways you could spin this data other than simply counting radios. For example, Icom could say, "Five out of the top six winning radios were Icoms." Yaesu could say, "When Elecraft owner Martti Laine needed a top performer for WRTC... he reached for his Yaesu!", Kenwood could say, "Think a Kenwood can't beat an Elecraft in a tough contesting situation? Think again." &c.
>
> I think what this all really means is that it comes down to the operator, not the radio... which is the whole reason for WRTC in the first place.
>

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Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

I agree completely. The rig and logging software have very to do with the outcome.

The #1 team probably has a sore back and sore arms, from lugging 7800s there :-)

Barry W2UP

Don Wilhelm-4 wrote

Yes, very interesting, and I think most of the credit goes to the
operators, rather than the radios.

However, the fact that a very large percentage of these top operators
*choose* to use the Elecraft K3 does say a lot about the desirability of
the K3 for contesting. Whether that be because of the weight, or
because of the performance and operating interface, you would probably
have to ask each K3 operator about his choice.

73,
Don W3FPR

JHRichards

Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

Shucks, fellers. All that does not add up.

WE can rationalize this any way we like, but the fact is, 5 of the 6
best operators did not choose a K3, and I know least one other happy K3
owner used a Brand-X radio for the competition, and in all of his
qualifying rounds.

Logically - If you say the rig does not matter, and it all turns on
operator skill ... then no one can brag about any particular radio used
in the competition for any reason. We cannot have it both ways.
We cannot say the K3 is best because 70 percent of the field used one,
but it does not matter what the winners used, because after all, it all
turns on operator skill. If the rig does not matter for the winners,
it does not matter for anyone.

So the unfortunate bottom line take-away is the top three teams used 5 5
ICOMS and one K3.

Again, if you claim the radio does not matter, then it does not matter,
and we cannot claim any victory for any rig used in the contest. That
would be inconsistent.

Personally, I think the fact 70 percent of the field used the same model
radio is significant, although it may just prove it is easier than other
radios to ship and travel with. Still... it is a big number.

Just MY take.
----------------------- K8JHR ---------------------

On 7/25/2014 8:27 AM, Barry wrote:

> I agree completely. The rig and logging software have very to do with the
> outcome.
>
> The #1 team probably has a sore back and sore arms, from lugging 7800s there
> :-)
>
> Barry W2UP
>
>
>
> Don Wilhelm-4 wrote
>> Yes, very interesting, and I think most of the credit goes to the
>> operators, rather than the radios.
>>
>> However, the fact that a very large percentage of these top operators
>> *choose* to use the Elecraft K3 does say a lot about the desirability of
>> the K3 for contesting. Whether that be because of the weight, or
>> because of the performance and operating interface, you would probably
>> have to ask each K3 operator about his choice.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>
>
>
>
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Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

I think that the rig is not very important. One tidbit to support this
theory, although far from conclusive, is to compare what happened to
the OE3DIA team in 2010 vs 2014.

In 2010 there was a nasty lightning storm the took out both of this
teams K3's. They were knocked out about 1 hour into the contest. But
Yaesu had some reps on site and they had a pair of FT857's which they
loaned to the team. They lost about an hour in the switchover. So they
ran for 23 hours while the other teams ran for 24.

If you compare their score at the end of the contest to the other
teams after 23 hours (the hour-by-hour scores was available on the
Russian web site for a while after the contest) they were in about the
middle of the pack. This is using K3's for 1 hour and FT857's for 22
hours.

In 2014 I see no notes about anyone suffering such a loss and the
OE3DIA team finished 22nd out of 59. Again about the middle of the
pack. I think this somewhat better than their 23 hour comparison in
2010, but not a lot better.

This would tend to indicate that - when in the hands of very competent
operators - a pair of lowly FT857's is nearly as good as a pair of K3's.

Now, don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying the FT857 is as good as a
K3, it is *not*. No doubt about that. In fact, it is not as good as a
K2. I have those two sitting here side by side and I can assure you
that the K2 is the superior rig. What it says to me is that the K3 and
others of its class are somewhat overkill. The lowly FT857 is 'nearly
good enough'. Certainly not great, but 'nearly good enough'.

73 de dave
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On 7/25/14 2:44 PM, K8JHR wrote:

> Shucks, fellers. All that does not add up.
>
> WE can rationalize this any way we like, but the fact is, 5 of the 6
> best operators did not choose a K3, and I know least one other happy
> K3 owner used a Brand-X radio for the competition, and in all of his
> qualifying rounds.
>
> Logically - If you say the rig does not matter, and it all turns on
> operator skill ... then no one can brag about any particular radio
> used in the competition for any reason. We cannot have it both ways.
> We cannot say the K3 is best because 70 percent of the field used one,
> but it does not matter what the winners used, because after all, it
> all turns on operator skill. If the rig does not matter for the
> winners, it does not matter for anyone.
>
> So the unfortunate bottom line take-away is the top three teams used 5
> 5 ICOMS and one K3.
>
> Again, if you claim the radio does not matter, then it does not
> matter, and we cannot claim any victory for any rig used in the
> contest. That would be inconsistent.
>
>
>
> Personally, I think the fact 70 percent of the field used the same
> model radio is significant, although it may just prove it is easier
> than other radios to ship and travel with. Still... it is a big number.
>
> Just MY take.
> ----------------------- K8JHR ---------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/25/2014 8:27 AM, Barry wrote:
>> I agree completely. The rig and logging software have very to do
>> with the
>> outcome.
>>
>> The #1 team probably has a sore back and sore arms, from lugging
>> 7800s there
>> :-)
>>
>> Barry W2UP
>>
>>
>>
>> Don Wilhelm-4 wrote
>>> Yes, very interesting, and I think most of the credit goes to the
>>> operators, rather than the radios.
>>>
>>> However, the fact that a very large percentage of these top operators
>>> *choose* to use the Elecraft K3 does say a lot about the
>>> desirability of
>>> the K3 for contesting. Whether that be because of the weight, or
>>> because of the performance and operating interface, you would probably
>>> have to ask each K3 operator about his choice.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

I think you're correct Dave. Unlike all other contests, WRTC is
refereed and everyone uses identical antennas and power ... about as
level a playing field as you could ever create. WRTC *is* structured to
focus on operator skills vs station excellence, 100W is 100W in that
situation, it doesn't really matter which rig generated the RF.
Mandating a specific radio would put all the ops who don't use that
radio in everyday contesting at a big disadvantage.

There could be some small advantages on receive, I imagine they were
confronted with pile-ups earlier in the contest, but eventually, they
likely worked everyone they heard, and I doubt there would be much
difference in what one could hear on a K3 vs a 7600, FT1000, or other
radios. They're all either current state-of-the-art radios or close.

The one factor that using different radios does not control for is
spurious emissions such as key clicks and phase noise. There *is* a
wide difference in those between the radios. Don't know if that would
turn out to be an issue in the WRTC environment, although I sure know it
was when my "neighbor" Jack, KF6T, was running a Yaesu rig with serious
phase noise problems. Of course, if clicks and phase noise was an issue
at WRTC, it would impact everyone else negatively.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 7/25/2014 3:43 PM, dave wrote:

> I think that the rig is not very important. One tidbit to support this
> theory, although far from conclusive, is to compare what happened to the
> OE3DIA team in 2010 vs 2014.
>
> In 2010 there was a nasty lightning storm the took out both of this
> teams K3's. They were knocked out about 1 hour into the contest. But
> Yaesu had some reps on site and they had a pair of FT857's which they
> loaned to the team. They lost about an hour in the switchover. So they
> ran for 23 hours while the other teams ran for 24.
>
> If you compare their score at the end of the contest to the other teams
> after 23 hours (the hour-by-hour scores was available on the Russian web
> site for a while after the contest) they were in about the middle of the
> pack. This is using K3's for 1 hour and FT857's for 22 hours.
>
> In 2014 I see no notes about anyone suffering such a loss and the OE3DIA
> team finished 22nd out of 59. Again about the middle of the pack. I
> think this somewhat better than their 23 hour comparison in 2010, but
> not a lot better.
>
> This would tend to indicate that - when in the hands of very competent
> operators - a pair of lowly FT857's is nearly as good as a pair of K3's.
>
> Now, don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying the FT857 is as good as a
> K3, it is *not*. No doubt about that. In fact, it is not as good as a
> K2. I have those two sitting here side by side and I can assure you that
> the K2 is the superior rig. What it says to me is that the K3 and others
> of its class are somewhat overkill. The lowly FT857 is 'nearly good
> enough'. Certainly not great, but 'nearly good enough'.
>
> 73 de dave
> ab9ca/4

Milt -- N5IA

Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

Fred,

Not really. It would very much effect those individual stations in the
respective close area 'group' of the offending transmitter. And there were
three of four fairly large 'groups' of stations.

The other groups and the more widely spread stations would not be affected
with the exception of perhaps on 80 Meters.

73 de Milt, N5IA

=============================================================

Fred, K6DGW commented:

Of course, if clicks and phase noise was an issue
at WRTC, it would impact everyone else negatively.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

IMHO the most of those participants who had to travel long way have chosen
the lightest out of the best radios. And K3 is unbeatable in that respect.

Unfortunately in WRTC2014, locations were much different and very often
that was the most important factor affecting the final standing.
"You can't work them if you don't hear them"
See these HFTA plots for comparison.

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According to those who participated both in WRTC 2010 and WRTC 2014, the
former was much more level field in that respect.
Besides radio and operating skill one had to pull out right operating
position. And this explains why some top notch ops like for example CT1BOH
or ES5TV are well below the middle of the list in the final standing this
year.

73, Igor UA9CDC

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Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

In reply to this post by Dave-7

I think that most are looking for something the K3 WRTC numbers are
not telling. I rather doubt that people went out and bought them for
the WRTC. With those kinds of numbers, the market had already made
its decision a long time ago.

I know some who borrowed K3 and/or P3 for the contest. That means
those skilled operators had other rigs but *wanted* the K3/P3.

The rest (vast majority) already owned them. In those cases, it's the
rig they bought for themselves, or they had multiple rigs and *wanted*
the K3/P3 for the WRTC.

As a piece of market research, that list should be (and is) terrifying
to other manufacturers. Usually when a single brand/model has such a
huge penetration of top echelon operators, the competition will take
decades to change minds in the market. The only comparable historical
dominance of this sort is Collins Radio, which eventually lost out to
Yakencom because the Collins transistor offerings were ridiculously
expensive. The Yakencom radio which pushed up market penetration among
contesters was the FT1000MP. Interestingly, among all I know who
do/did have MP's for contesting and upgraded, 90+ percent of those
went to K3's.

As to the technical advantages of the K3, most of my own K3's observed
advantages probably would not show up using the WRTC antenna package.
That is after all an intentional "little pistol" setup. The well known
clean performance of K3's in multi- and close station immunity is very
useful there, but some newer Yakencom are quite good there as well.

If you run a five element 40m wide spaced quad on a 190 foot catenary
trained on Europe, and place an MP side-by-side with a K3, the
enormous difference shows immediately. Even if Yakencom comes out with
an intermediate price unit with somewhat better performance there, The
K3 has a better version of the VHS over Betamax advantage, plus the
huge advantage of the proven, now trusted Elecraft responsiveness to
customer issues. A case can be made that the latter was the biggest K3
competitive advantage.

It should be obvious and without argument that the K3 far and away has
THE market penetration among serious contesters, regardless of how one
might explain it. That is true even without the WRTC numbers, just not
so visible and in-your-face obvious.

73, Guy K2AV

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in any kind of radios. The inference that all KoolAid is spiked with
Cyanide is an insult to the memory of my registered nurse mother, who
would do just about anything to keep her kids hydrated out in the hot
New Mexico desert sun, sometimes including her own variety of KoolAid
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concept.

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Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

On 7/27/2014 3:19 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> I think that most are looking for something the K3 WRTC numbers are
> not telling. I rather doubt that people went out and bought them for
> the WRTC. With those kinds of numbers, the market had already made
> its decision a long time ago.

Well, a certain portion of the market certainly has -- those need a high
performance rig for use under demanding conditions, including those of a
contest multi-op.

Egged on by a discussion on another email relector, I replotted ARRL
test data for key clicks and TX phase noise. I'm not going to stop
there, but the results so far tell a large part of the story.

k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf

Consider it a work in progress. ARRL publishes its data in the form of
graphs pretty small, and in some cases with too-wide ranging scales, so
it takes a lot of practice to get data within +/- 1.5 dB.

73, Jim K9YC
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Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: WRTC 2014 - Congratulations, Elecraft!...(and firmware update)

Thank you for the graphs.

This is something the North Carolina PVRC group that did field day
together north of Raleigh already knew about K3's vs. the world from a
pile of experiences. We had five or six K3's available to us, and we
went purely with the K3's on HF in the 3A class. We had a little
horizontal physical spread to help out, but we often had both CW and
SSB on the same band at the same time due to the conditions, and one
could not hear the co-band K3.

So I knew what to expect from your curves on the K3.

73, Guy K2AV

> Egged on by a discussion on another email relector, I replotted ARRL test
> data for key clicks and TX phase noise. I'm not going to stop there, but the
> results so far tell a large part of the story.
>
> k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf
>
> Consider it a work in progress. ARRL publishes its data in the form of
> graphs pretty small, and in some cases with too-wide ranging scales, so it
> takes a lot of practice to get data within +/- 1.5 dB.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC