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WWV/WWVH Closure

k1tl
This may not be the appropriate place for this but need to have amateur
radio ops read this as many rely on the "time standards" for our radios.

 

"NIST station WWV and sister stations are among the oldest radio stations in
the United States, having been in continuous operation since May 1920. The
station has transmitted the official US Time for nearly 100 years, and is an
instrumental part in the telecommunications field, ranging from broadcasting
to scientific research and education. Additionally, these stations transmit
marine storm warnings from the National Weather Service, GPS satellite
health reports, and specific information concerning current solar activity,
and radio propagation conditions. These broadcasts are an essential resource
to the worldwide communications industry. This petition requests continued
funding of these stations be maintained into the 21st century and beyond to
ensure future operations."

 

They need 100K signatures by 15Sep2018...gonna be tough !

 

Here is a link to the petition if you wish to sign it:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv
-wwvh

 

No flames, please !

 

73

Tom/K1TL...

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Re: WWV/WWVH Closure

Michael Poteet
By the way, I had to login directly to my gmail account in order for the
"Confirm your signature by clicking here" action to work.  I initially tried
from my Microsoft Outlook email client and the "Click Here" did not work.

Mike    W5FTD


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> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tom Lizak
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 12:31
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure
>
> This may not be the appropriate place for this but need to have amateur
> radio ops read this as many rely on the "time standards" for our radios.
>
>
>
> "NIST station WWV and sister stations are among the oldest radio
> stations in
> the United States, having been in continuous operation since May 1920.
> The
> station has transmitted the official US Time for nearly 100 years, and
> is an
> instrumental part in the telecommunications field, ranging from
> broaConform dcasting
> to scientific research and education. Additionally, these stations
> transmit
> marine storm warnings from the National Weather Service, GPS satellite
> health reports, and specific information concerning current solar
> activity,
> and radio propagation conditions. These broadcasts are an essential
> resource
> to the worldwide communications industry. This petition requests
> continued
> funding of these stations be maintained into the 21st century and beyond
> to
> ensure future operations."
>
>
>
> They need 100K signatures by 15Sep2018...gonna be tough !
>
>
>
> Here is a link to the petition if you wish to sign it:
> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist-
> stations-wwv
> -wwvh
>
>
>
> No flames, please !
>
>
>
> 73
>
> Tom/K1TL...
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Re: WWV/WWVH Closure

Clay Autery-2
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Error 404 on that link...

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On 19-Aug-18 12:30, Tom Lizak wrote:

> This may not be the appropriate place for this but need to have amateur
> radio ops read this as many rely on the "time standards" for our radios.
>
>  
>
> "NIST station WWV and sister stations are among the oldest radio stations in
> the United States, having been in continuous operation since May 1920. The
> station has transmitted the official US Time for nearly 100 years, and is an
> instrumental part in the telecommunications field, ranging from broadcasting
> to scientific research and education. Additionally, these stations transmit
> marine storm warnings from the National Weather Service, GPS satellite
> health reports, and specific information concerning current solar activity,
> and radio propagation conditions. These broadcasts are an essential resource
> to the worldwide communications industry. This petition requests continued
> funding of these stations be maintained into the 21st century and beyond to
> ensure future operations."
>
>  
>
> They need 100K signatures by 15Sep2018...gonna be tough !
>
>  
>
> Here is a link to the petition if you wish to sign it:
> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv
> -wwvh
>
>  
>
> No flames, please !
>
>  
>
> 73
>
> Tom/K1TL...
>

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Re: WWV/WWVH Closure

NK7Z
Mail wrapping cut off the end for you...

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist

On 08/19/2018 11:08 AM, Clay Autery wrote:

> Error 404 on that link...
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 19-Aug-18 12:30, Tom Lizak wrote:
>> This may not be the appropriate place for this but need to have amateur
>> radio ops read this as many rely on the "time standards" for our radios.
>>
>>
>> "NIST station WWV and sister stations are among the oldest radio
>> stations in
>> the United States, having been in continuous operation since May 1920.
>> The
>> station has transmitted the official US Time for nearly 100 years, and
>> is an
>> instrumental part in the telecommunications field, ranging from
>> broadcasting
>> to scientific research and education. Additionally, these stations
>> transmit
>> marine storm warnings from the National Weather Service, GPS satellite
>> health reports, and specific information concerning current solar
>> activity,
>> and radio propagation conditions. These broadcasts are an essential
>> resource
>> to the worldwide communications industry. This petition requests
>> continued
>> funding of these stations be maintained into the 21st century and
>> beyond to
>> ensure future operations."
>>
>>
>> They need 100K signatures by 15Sep2018...gonna be tough !
>>
>>
>> Here is a link to the petition if you wish to sign it:
>> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv 
>>
>> -wwvh
>>
>>
>> No flames, please !
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Tom/K1TL...
>>
>
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Re: WWV/WWVH Closure

ab2tc
Hi,

Just copy and paste the entire link. I am in and counted. WWV possibly
closing! What a horrible thought! What are we going to do to check our
radios' calibration?

AB2TC - Knut


NK7Z wrote

> Mail wrapping cut off the end for you...
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Technical Specialist
>
> On 08/19/2018 11:08 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> Error 404 on that link...
>>
>> ______________________
>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>> (318) 518-1389
>>
> <snip>





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Re: WWV/WWVH Closure

Kevin Cozens-2
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On 2018-08-19 01:30 PM, Tom Lizak wrote:
> They need 100K signatures by 15Sep2018...gonna be tough !

I was only the 1,011th person to sign.

We have already lost so many international broadcasters. If we lose WWV/WWVH
we lose a lot more. They provided known very accurate frequencies, time
information, propagation information, and marine weather. I'll still have
CHU Canada for time but it isn't always heard as easily as WWV/WWVH.

Most of what I find left on shortwave is religious broadcasters and stations
in Spanish.

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Re: WWV/WWVH Closure

Bob McGraw - K4TAX
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More info on the topic.  I view the loss of WWV, WWVH and possibly WWVB
to have a major impact on world wide communication technology in many
ways.  If WWVB operation is suspended, where would be the reference for
many of our atomic clocks?

73

Bob, K4TAX


The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST
<https://www.nist.gov/>) FY 2019 budget request includes shutting down
“NIST radio stations in Colorado and Hawaii” — in other words, WWV and
WWVH. Radio amateurs, HF listeners, and others around the world
routinely make use of the time and frequency standard signals, which
also include propagation information. NIST said eliminating funding
currently “supporting fundamental measurement dissemination” would
include putting WWV and WWVH off the air for a saving of $6.3
million. The NIST FY 2019 budget request for efforts related to
Fundamental Measurement, Quantum Science and Measurement
Dissemination is $127 million, which, the agency said, is a net decrease
of $49 million from FY 2018 levels. The Administration's overall NIST
budget
<https://www.nist.gov/fy-2019-presidential-budget-request-summary/budget-tables> request
is more than $629 million.

“The proposed reductions will allow NIST to consolidate and focus on
narrower core [fundamental] measurement programs while meeting budget
levels,” the agency said in its FY 2019 budget summary
<https://www.nist.gov/director/fy-2019-presidential-budget-request-summary/fundamental-measurement-quantum-science-and>.
“NIST will focus on basic research while reducing funding for efforts
applying some of its breakthroughs into new measurement applications.

The FY 2019 proposed budget cuts developed earlier this year came to
light via Tom Witherspoon, K4SWL, who maintains The SWLing Post
<https://swling.com/> website, after a number of viewers called it to
his attention. He posted an article
<https://swling.com/blog/2018/08/nist-fy2019-budget-includes-request-to-shutdown-wwv-and-wwvh/> on
his blog.

“I’ve always considered WWV and WWVH to be the heartbeat of the
shortwaves here in North America — a constant, timely companion and
brilliant gauge of HF propagation,” Witherspoon wrote. I assumed both
stations would be some of the last to go silent on the shortwaves.”

NIST said other “illustrative” cuts in the FY 2019 budget include:

  * $3.5 million for Lab to Market, which seeks to accelerate technology
    transfer from federal laboratories
  * $6.6 million in environmental measurements projects across NIST
    laboratories, including work measuring the impact of aerosols on
    pollution and climate change, and gas reference materials used by
    industry to reduce costs of complying with regulations
  * $5.8 million eliminating the NIST Greenhouse Gas (GHG) Measurements
    program, including Urban Dome research grants to advance the direct
    measurement of GHG emissions on the scale of cities or regions.
  * $6.7 million in forensic science, reducing the program size to $7.3
    million by prioritizing measurement science in the NIST labs and
    eliminating program management functions and external grants for the
    Organization of Scientific Area Committees for Forensic Science and
    the Forensic Science Center of Excellence
  * $4.1 million in R&D targeting application of NIST quantum
    breakthroughs to applied measurement needs, including temperature
    and atmospheric gas metrology

“I find this budget request very disappointing,” Witherspoon said with
respect to the proposed elimination of WWV and WWVH. “Let’s hope,
somehow, this does not come to fruition.” He said The SWLing Post would
be tracking and posting any new developments.


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Re: WWV/WWVH Closure

aj4tf
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Since the White House does not control appropriations, it is probably more
"appropriate" to contact your representative and senators than to sign a
White House petition that doesn't have much chance of getting addressed.

73,  David AJ4TF  (writing a letter to my Congress members)




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Re: WWV/WWVH Closure

tomb18
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Need to get casio, citizen and seiko to make a fuss....my watch will no longer work right


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-------- Original message --------From: aj4tf <[hidden email]> Date: 2018-08-19  3:18 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure
Since the White House does not control appropriations, it is probably more
"appropriate" to contact your representative and senators than to sign a
White House petition that doesn't have much chance of getting addressed.

73,  David AJ4TF  (writing a letter to my Congress members)




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Re: WWV/WWVH Closure

Leroy
In reply to this post by Bob McGraw - K4TAX
NIST went GPS long before I retired.The Cesium and Rubidium Clocks I
calibrated  for Space Command had to degrade the accuracy requirements from
10 to the -12  to 10 to -10 to accommodate GPS .  Made no real difference to
the end users at the time.

Leroy AB7CE

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 12:57 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure

More info on the topic.  I view the loss of WWV, WWVH and possibly WWVB
to have a major impact on world wide communication technology in many
ways.  If WWVB operation is suspended, where would be the reference for
many of our atomic clocks?

73

Bob, K4TAX


The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST
<https://www.nist.gov/>) FY 2019 budget request includes shutting down
“NIST radio stations in Colorado and Hawaii” — in other words, WWV and
WWVH. Radio amateurs, HF listeners, and others around the world
routinely make use of the time and frequency standard signals, which
also include propagation information. NIST said eliminating funding
currently “supporting fundamental measurement dissemination” would
include putting WWV and WWVH off the air for a saving of $6.3
million. The NIST FY 2019 budget request for efforts related to
Fundamental Measurement, Quantum Science and Measurement
Dissemination is $127 million, which, the agency said, is a net decrease
of $49 million from FY 2018 levels. The Administration's overall NIST
budget
<https://www.nist.gov/fy-2019-presidential-budget-request-summary/budget-tables>
request
is more than $629 million.

“The proposed reductions will allow NIST to consolidate and focus on
narrower core [fundamental] measurement programs while meeting budget
levels,” the agency said in its FY 2019 budget summary
<https://www.nist.gov/director/fy-2019-presidential-budget-request-summary/fundamental-measurement-quantum-science-and>.
“NIST will focus on basic research while reducing funding for efforts
applying some of its breakthroughs into new measurement applications.

The FY 2019 proposed budget cuts developed earlier this year came to
light via Tom Witherspoon, K4SWL, who maintains The SWLing Post
<https://swling.com/> website, after a number of viewers called it to
his attention. He posted an article
<https://swling.com/blog/2018/08/nist-fy2019-budget-includes-request-to-shutdown-wwv-and-wwvh/>
on
his blog.

“I’ve always considered WWV and WWVH to be the heartbeat of the
shortwaves here in North America — a constant, timely companion and
brilliant gauge of HF propagation,” Witherspoon wrote. I assumed both
stations would be some of the last to go silent on the shortwaves.”

NIST said other “illustrative” cuts in the FY 2019 budget include:

  * $3.5 million for Lab to Market, which seeks to accelerate technology
    transfer from federal laboratories
  * $6.6 million in environmental measurements projects across NIST
    laboratories, including work measuring the impact of aerosols on
    pollution and climate change, and gas reference materials used by
    industry to reduce costs of complying with regulations
  * $5.8 million eliminating the NIST Greenhouse Gas (GHG) Measurements
    program, including Urban Dome research grants to advance the direct
    measurement of GHG emissions on the scale of cities or regions.
  * $6.7 million in forensic science, reducing the program size to $7.3
    million by prioritizing measurement science in the NIST labs and
    eliminating program management functions and external grants for the
    Organization of Scientific Area Committees for Forensic Science and
    the Forensic Science Center of Excellence
  * $4.1 million in R&D targeting application of NIST quantum
    breakthroughs to applied measurement needs, including temperature
    and atmospheric gas metrology

“I find this budget request very disappointing,” Witherspoon said with
respect to the proposed elimination of WWV and WWVH. “Let’s hope,
somehow, this does not come to fruition.” He said The SWLing Post would
be tracking and posting any new developments.


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Re: WWV/WWVH Closure

Gary Smith-2
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The link earlier provided was chopped up.
This is the correct link:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/
maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh

And here is a tinyurl link to the same
link

https://tinyurl.com/y9db9vs6

I signed it.

73,

Gary
KA1J

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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT-3
Pro-tip: include links in < and > -- most mail clients will not chop
them in two:

<https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh>

On 8/19/2018 12:36 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/
> maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh
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Re: WWV/WWVH Closure

Tom McCulloch
Just a heads up, for people like me who don't always read everything.

When you to this site and click through they will send you an e-mail
verifying that you are real...you MUST respond to that e-mail for your
signature to me counted.


Looks like they are about 98,000 shy of the 100 K goal, but it's early.

Tom, WB2QDG

K2 #1103


On 8/19/2018 3:44 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

> Pro-tip: include links in < and > -- most mail clients will not chop
> them in two:
>
> <https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh>
>
>
> On 8/19/2018 12:36 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
>> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/
>> maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh
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Re: WWV/WWVH Closure

rkruse
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Got this from a friend who tried to sign the petition:

>  The confirmation email came and when I clicked on the link ,it says
> 404 page not found.  I tried five times.
>
> maybe that is why there are so few signatures?

Ray Kruse
73  KK4WPB


On 8/19/2018 2:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> More info on the topic.  I view the loss of WWV, WWVH and possibly
> WWVB to have a major impact on world wide communication technology in
> many ways.  If WWVB operation is suspended, where would be the
> reference for many of our atomic clocks?
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX

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Re: WWV/WWVH Closure

Courtney Judd
me too, K4WI

> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
> Sunday, August 19, 2018 5:44 PM
> Got this from a friend who tried to sign the petition:
>
>>   The confirmation email came and when I clicked on the link ,it says
>> 404 page not found.  I tried five times.
>>
>> maybe that is why there are so few signatures?
>
> Ray Kruse
> 73  KK4WPB
>
>
> On 8/19/2018 2:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> More info on the topic.  I view the loss of WWV, WWVH and possibly
>> WWVB to have a major impact on world wide communication technology in
>> many ways.  If WWVB operation is suspended, where would be the
>> reference for many of our atomic clocks?
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>
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Re: WWV/WWVH Closure

Gary Smith-2
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The reason why was the original post had
spaces in the URL. This is the corrected
URL and a tinyurl to click on. Send that
to your friend.


<https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition
/maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh>

https://tinyurl.com/y9db9vs6

It is unfortunate the original link got
corrupted. Use these and you'll get there.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Got this from a friend who tried to sign the petition:
>
> >  The confirmation email came and when I clicked on the link ,it
> > says 404 page not found.  I tried five times.
> >
> > maybe that is why there are so few signatures?
>
> Ray Kruse
> 73  KK4WPB
>
>
> On 8/19/2018 2:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> > More info on the topic.  I view the loss of WWV, WWVH and possibly
> > WWVB to have a major impact on world wide communication technology
> > in many ways.  If WWVB operation is suspended, where would be the
> > reference for many of our atomic clocks?
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
>
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Re: WWV/WWVH Closure

Joe Subich, W4TV-4

> Go to change.org, search for “wwv”, and there is only one petition
 > that matches.

There is actually one petition on change.org and *two* petitions on
whitehouse.gov right now.  Sign *ALL* of them:

<https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh>


<https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/proposed-shutdown-nists-wwv-and-wwvh-radio-stations>


<https://www.change.org/p/nist-save-wwv-and-wwvh-the-global-time-standards>

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2018-08-19 7:08 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

> The software in this reflector is murdering this URL.
>
> Go to change.org, search for “wwv”, and there is only one petition that matches.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
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