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Way OT - eBay - HELP

Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy-2
Sorry about this OT.  I keep getting nasty messages from ebay and ebay
customers saying that I have not paid for this or that. I have NEVER used
ebay nor have an account with them, and since none of my neighbours do
either my question is 'How does one contact a HUMAN at ebay?'  All my
messages to them seem to go into some Computer Black Hole.

Again, sorry for the bandwidth.

73,
Geoff
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Re: Way OT - eBay - HELP

N2EY
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> I keep getting nasty messages from ebay and ebay
> customers saying that I have not paid for this or that. I have NEVER used
> ebay nor have an account with them, and since none of my neighbours do
> either my question is 'How does one contact a HUMAN at ebay?'  All my
> messages to them seem to go into some Computer Black Hole.
>

Those messages are not from eBay. They're phishing, trying to get you to
respond so they can get your email addresss.

73 de Jim, N2EY
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Re: Way OT - eBay - HELP

Thom LaCosta
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On Wed, 31 May 2006, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:

> Sorry about this OT.  I keep getting nasty messages from ebay and ebay
> customers saying that I have not paid for this or that. I have NEVER used
> ebay nor have an account with them, and since none of my neighbours do either
> my question is 'How does one contact a HUMAN at ebay?'  All my messages to
> them seem to go into some Computer Black Hole.

Most likely the messages aren't from ebay, but from someone attempting to get
you to fill in some form with your account information(of course, you have no
account).

Best course of action is to simply delete the messages....or you can forward
them, making sure that the message headers show, to [hidden email]

It's my understanding that ebay and paypal pursue folks who do this type of
thing.

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Re: Way OT - eBay - HELP

Andy McMullin

On 31 May 2006, at 10:37, Thom R LaCosta wrote:

> On Wed, 31 May 2006, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Sorry about this OT.  I keep getting nasty messages from ebay and  
>> ebay customers saying that I have not paid for this or that. I  
>> have NEVER used ebay nor have an account with them, and since none  
>> of my neighbours do either my question is 'How does one contact a  
>> HUMAN at ebay?'  All my messages to them seem to go into some  
>> Computer Black Hole.
>
> Most likely the messages aren't from ebay, but from someone  
> attempting to get you to fill in some form with your account  
> information(of course, you have no account).
>
> Best course of action is to simply delete the messages....or you  
> can forward them, making sure that the message headers show, to  
> [hidden email]
>
> It's my understanding that ebay and paypal pursue folks who do this  
> type of thing.
>

I go along with that. I receive  quite a few of these spoofs -- and  
the guys at eBay and PayPal are always interested in receiving  
forwarded copies to try and get whoever is darkening their name! I  
always forward them (with the headers)

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Re: Way OT - eBay - HELP

Charles Greene-2
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Geoff,

My advice is to not respond to them.  I get about one messages a
weel, saying my paypall account is on hold, or answer a question from
a buyer on ebay.  They are what is called Phishing, and they are
trying to get your personal information or account numbers.  Hold the
mouse over the response address, and it may say that the real address
is something else.

I agree about eBay and others being Computer Black Holes.  If they
really want your response, they will send your a letter via the
postal service.  Mostly, do not worry about them.  They make enough
money as it is.

Best,

Your friend, Chas, W1CG

At 05:10 AM 5/31/2006, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:

>Sorry about this OT.  I keep getting nasty messages from ebay and
>ebay customers saying that I have not paid for this or that. I have
>NEVER used ebay nor have an account with them, and since none of my
>neighbours do either my question is 'How does one contact a HUMAN at
>ebay?'  All my messages to them seem to go into some Computer Black Hole.
>
>Again, sorry for the bandwidth.
>
>73,
>Geoff
>GM4ESD
>
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RE: Way OT - eBay - HELP

Phil LaMarche
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When ever you question something like this from Pay pal or eBay, do not open
any links or addresses.  Instead forward the message to [hidden email].
They will examine it and reply to you. After sending, just delete.  I send
5/6 a week to spoof.

Phil


 
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Subject: [Elecraft] Way OT - eBay - HELP

Sorry about this OT.  I keep getting nasty messages from ebay and ebay
customers saying that I have not paid for this or that. I have NEVER used
ebay nor have an account with them, and since none of my neighbours do
either my question is 'How does one contact a HUMAN at ebay?'  All my
messages to them seem to go into some Computer Black Hole.

Again, sorry for the bandwidth.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD



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Re: Way OT - eBay - HELP

Rich Ardolino
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I disagree about "do not worry about them", if you respond it can lead
to idenity theft and no end of problems. The senders are thieves and
doing nothing just helps them succed. Best is to follow previously
posted advice and  forward them to spoof@ebay (or spoof@paypal), don't
change anything, just forward as is. That way you are helping
ebay/paypal track down the offenders and maybe reduce and/or eventually
eliminate the miscreants. Just my 2cents opinion.

Rich  k2cpe
K2 #1102


>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I agree about eBay and others being Computer Black Holes.  If they
> really want your response, they will send your a letter via the postal
> service.  Mostly, do not worry about them.
> Best,
>
>
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RE: Way OT - eBay - HELP

Ron D'Eau Claire-2
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On Wed, 31 May 2006, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:

> Sorry about this OT.  I keep getting nasty messages from ebay and ebay
> customers saying that I have not paid for this or that. I have NEVER used
> ebay nor have an account with them, and since none of my neighbours do
either
> my question is 'How does one contact a HUMAN at ebay?'  All my messages to

> them seem to go into some Computer Black Hole.


Forward those messages to:

[hidden email]

They actively pursue their sources and the more input they get the more they
have to work with.

While we're on the subject, anything that purports to come from paypal
should be forwarded to:

[hidden email]

Ron AC7AC

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Re: Re: Way OT - eBay - HELP

Mark J. Schreiner
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I agree with Rich.  Be vigilant about this.  I always forward these to the [hidden email] and usually to my ISP as well.  Sometimes you may notice an IP address in the email when "hovering" the mouse over the supposed link and I check who the IP is assigned to. Many times it comes from some Asian areas which may be harder to get shut down.  But I've noticed that the ones that come from within the US are generally shut down within a matter of hours from the time that I forward to my ISP & [hidden email] (or similar for PayPal).

Good luck!

Mark, NK8Q


>From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>Date: Wed May 31 08:13:34 CDT 2006
>To: Charles Greene <[hidden email]>
>Cc: Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Way OT - eBay - HELP

>I disagree about "do not worry about them", if you respond it can lead
>to idenity theft and no end of problems. The senders are thieves and
>doing nothing just helps them succed. Best is to follow previously
>posted advice and  forward them to spoof@ebay (or spoof@paypal), don't
>change anything, just forward as is. That way you are helping
>ebay/paypal track down the offenders and maybe reduce and/or eventually
>eliminate the miscreants. Just my 2cents opinion.
>
>Rich  k2cpe
>K2 #1102
>
>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> I agree about eBay and others being Computer Black Holes.  If they
>> really want your response, they will send your a letter via the postal
>> service.  Mostly, do not worry about them.
>> Best,
>>
>>
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Just built AADE capacitance meter - great!

n2htt-2
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Just a burst of enthusiasm from a satisified customer - I just built an AADE capacitance/inductance meter. Went together in about 1 1/2 hours, worked at first power up -- what a nice instrument!

I will be building an HFPacker amp for use with my K1, thought it would be a good idea to be able to check the caps as they go in. I do this routinely for resistors.

73, Mike N2HTT

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Re: Way OT - eBay - HELP

Stephen W. Kercel
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Geoff:

You're being phished. Someone is attempting to trick you into sending
them financial information (such as your credit card data)  by
sending fraudulent messages purporting to originate from eBay. Do not
under any circumstances use any of the Internet links in any such
message. Instead, use your e-mail program to forward a copy of the
message to [hidden email].

73,

Steve Kercel
AA4AK


At 05:10 AM 5/31/2006, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:

>Sorry about this OT.  I keep getting nasty messages from ebay and
>ebay customers saying that I have not paid for this or that. I have
>NEVER used ebay nor have an account with them, and since none of my
>neighbours do either my question is 'How does one contact a HUMAN at
>ebay?'  All my messages to them seem to go into some Computer Black Hole.
>
>Again, sorry for the bandwidth.
>
>73,
>Geoff
>GM4ESD
>
>
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Re: Way OT - eBay - HELP

Dave Lowenstein
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Geoff,

Everyone has pretty much covered the topic on the phony messages.  I've
gotten them too.  However, your comment about contacting a real live person
at eBay is a good one.  They are there but apparently days behind answering
inquiries.  Since time is a major issue when dealing on eBay, you need
timely help when there is a problem.  The problem is you can't get it when
you need it.  That is poor customer service in my opinion and I no longer
use eBay for that reason.  If Elecraft or the company I work for treated
customers like eBay does, we'd be out of business!

73,
Dave
N7AF

----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy" <[hidden email]>
To: "Elecraft Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:10 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Way OT - eBay - HELP


> Sorry about this OT.  I keep getting nasty messages from ebay and ebay
> customers saying that I have not paid for this or that. I have NEVER used
> ebay nor have an account with them, and since none of my neighbours do
> either my question is 'How does one contact a HUMAN at ebay?'  All my
> messages to them seem to go into some Computer Black Hole.
>
> Again, sorry for the bandwidth.
>
> 73,
> Geoff
> GM4ESD

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Re: Just built AADE capacitance meter - great!

Roland Whitsitt
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Is there a link where I can see more about this meter?  What model do you
have?  I just spent $100 on a meter that claimed it could read capacitance
and inductance only to find it won't read capacitance in pico farads.  And
the inductance ranges it reads are to high for any use to me. That was an
expensive lesson.
thanks,
N5VWN k2#3090
Roland

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> Just a burst of enthusiasm from a satisified customer - I just built an
> AADE capacitance/inductance meter. Went together in about 1 1/2 hours,
> worked at first power up -- what a nice instrument!
>
> I will be building an HFPacker amp for use with my K1, thought it would be
> a good idea to be able to check the caps as they go in. I do this
> routinely for resistors.
>
> 73, Mike N2HTT
>
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RE: Way OT - eBay - HELP

Craig Rairdin
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> However, your comment about contacting a real live person
> at eBay is a good one.....
> That is poor customer service in my opinion and I no longer
> use eBay for that reason.  If Elecraft or the company I work for treated
> customers like eBay does, we'd be out of business!

This is close to on-topic since a lot of Elecraft equipment gets bought/sold
on eBay.

I've been using eBay since 1998. I've had some major disputes with sellers
over items that were poorly packaged and damaged in transit. I've had major
disagreements with buyers who wouldn't pay, or would not accept packages
delivered to them. I've gone through the full-blown dispute resolution
process with one seller to get my money back.

In none of these cases was there ever a lack of information on the eBay (or
PayPal) sites. I've never felt the need to talk to a real person. In this
specific case (phishing scam), for example, there are FAQ articles that deal
with this issue -- hence the dozen or so responders here who knew about the
[hidden email] email address. If people would make use of the help that's
there, they wouldn't complain about what's not (phone support).

I think eBay is one of the miracles of the Internet revolution. I went to
Dayton and saw a table with four Collins 75A-x receivers on it. eBay has
four listed today, and every day all year. I didn't see any Elecraft gear in
the flea market (though I heard there was a K2 there somewhere). Today on
eBay there is a K1, a K2, a T1, and an offer for someone to build your K2
for you for $180. It's like Hamvention on your computer, 24 hours a day, 365
days a year, only without the guys on those electric scooters running you
over. (Or, if you're one of the electric scooter guys, without all the
people between you and a good deal.)

I guess fewer bidders just means more stuff for me, but I wouldn't quit eBay
over the lack of phone-based support.

Craig
NZ0R
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K2/100 #4941
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Re: Just built AADE capacitance meter - great!

Bob Nielsen
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http://www.aade.com

73, Bob N7XY

On May 31, 2006, at 8:29 AM, Roland Whitsitt wrote:

> Is there a link where I can see more about this meter?  What model  
> do you have?  I just spent $100 on a meter that claimed it could  
> read capacitance and inductance only to find it won't read  
> capacitance in pico farads.  And the inductance ranges it reads are  
> to high for any use to me. That was an expensive lesson.
> thanks,
> N5VWN k2#3090
> Roland
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[hidden email]>
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> Subject: [Elecraft] Just built AADE capacitance meter - great!
>
>
>> Just a burst of enthusiasm from a satisified customer - I just  
>> built an AADE capacitance/inductance meter. Went together in about  
>> 1 1/2 hours, worked at first power up -- what a nice instrument!
>>
>> I will be building an HFPacker amp for use with my K1, thought it  
>> would be a good idea to be able to check the caps as they go in. I  
>> do this routinely for resistors.
>>
>> 73, Mike N2HTT
>>
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RE: Way OT - eBay - HELP

Steven Pituch
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Geoff,
Sounds like spammers.  I get them all the time from "ebay" and "Paypal".  If
you highlight the links they want you to  go to to give financial info it’s
fraudulent.

Steve, W2MY

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RE: Way OT - eBay - HELP

Curt-17
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DITTO on your entire post.

Been on eBay likewise since early 1998 and will always be a member. Was even thrown off once and wrote the founder of eBay himself and was promptly reinstated.   Like SSB years ago all the bitching and moaning how  â€œthat” mode was just causing interference to the AM group which was most everyone back then.

People hate change, no doubt.  I sit back and laugh at the people screaming that eBay was a terrible idea when that terrible idea made a few people billionaires and put thousands to work, at the same time made many quit their day jobs doing eBay full time. To the eBay haters I say: Welcome to the brave new world where you can take it or leave it, but here it is to stay whether you like it or not.

Note: That guy offering to build the K2 on eBay is a fine gentleman, he built my K2/100 loaded for $120 which included shipping. He used to be on the Elecraft builders list but college late in life and other things forced him to spool down a bit.

k3ey

K2/100 S/N 5417 loaded

Craig Rairdin <[hidden email]> wrote: > However, your comment about contacting a real live person
> at eBay is a good one.....
> That is poor customer service in my opinion and I no longer
> use eBay for that reason.  If Elecraft or the company I work for treated
> customers like eBay does, we'd be out of business!

This is close to on-topic since a lot of Elecraft equipment gets bought/sold
on eBay.

I've been using eBay since 1998. I've had some major disputes with sellers
over items that were poorly packaged and damaged in transit. I've had major
disagreements with buyers who wouldn't pay, or would not accept packages
delivered to them. I've gone through the full-blown dispute resolution
process with one seller to get my money back.

In none of these cases was there ever a lack of information on the eBay (or
PayPal) sites. I've never felt the need to talk to a real person. In this
specific case (phishing scam), for example, there are FAQ articles that deal
with this issue -- hence the dozen or so responders here who knew about the
[hidden email] email address. If people would make use of the help that's
there, they wouldn't complain about what's not (phone support).

I think eBay is one of the miracles of the Internet revolution. I went to
Dayton and saw a table with four Collins 75A-x receivers on it. eBay has
four listed today, and every day all year. I didn't see any Elecraft gear in
the flea market (though I heard there was a K2 there somewhere). Today on
eBay there is a K1, a K2, a T1, and an offer for someone to build your K2
for you for $180. It's like Hamvention on your computer, 24 hours a day, 365
days a year, only without the guys on those electric scooters running you
over. (Or, if you're one of the electric scooter guys, without all the
people between you and a good deal.)

I guess fewer bidders just means more stuff for me, but I wouldn't quit eBay
over the lack of phone-based support.

Craig
NZ0R
K1 #1966
K2/100 #4941
KX1 #1499 <- STILL in the box

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RE: Just built AADE capacitance meter - great!

Mike Scott-7
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The AmQRP ELSIE L/C meter kit will read capacitance down to 1pf.
I found out with this kit that I don't like Manhattan construction so I
rebuilt mine on a homebrew circuit card and real switches vs. the kit's
instructions to make some Mickey Mouse ones.
I can share the PCB design. I put it and the 9V battery in a Whitman's
Sampler box. I think the kit is retired so you will have to find someone who
doesn't want their kit. They just ran a last lot earlier this year I think.

Mike Scott
AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (near LA)
Elecraft KX1 4-Watts

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Roland Whitsitt
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:30 AM
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just built AADE capacitance meter - great!

Is there a link where I can see more about this meter?  What model do you
have?  I just spent $100 on a meter that claimed it could read capacitance
and inductance only to find it won't read capacitance in pico farads.  And
the inductance ranges it reads are to high for any use to me. That was an
expensive lesson.
thanks,
N5VWN k2#3090
Roland

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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:04 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Just built AADE capacitance meter - great!


> Just a burst of enthusiasm from a satisified customer - I just built an
> AADE capacitance/inductance meter. Went together in about 1 1/2 hours,
> worked at first power up -- what a nice instrument!
>
> I will be building an HFPacker amp for use with my K1, thought it would be

> a good idea to be able to check the caps as they go in. I do this
> routinely for resistors.
>
> 73, Mike N2HTT
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Re: Just built AADE capacitance meter - great!

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Roland,

Resolution on this meter is down to a tenth of a pF. It does not read above 1 uF though, so the meter you bought will be useful for measuring larger caps.

I have a similar situation -- I already have a Fluke meter that reads capacitance down to 1 nF -- not useful for measuring the small caps you come across in kits.

I see Bob also sent the link, but here it is again:

http://www.aade.com

73,
Mike N2HTT


----- Original Message -----
From: Roland Whitsitt <[hidden email]>
Date: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:29 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just built AADE capacitance meter - great!

> Is there a link where I can see more about this meter?  What model
> do you
> have?  I just spent $100 on a meter that claimed it could read
> capacitance
> and inductance only to find it won't read capacitance in pico
> farads.  And
> the inductance ranges it reads are to high for any use to me. That
> was an
> expensive lesson.
> thanks,
> N5VWN k2#3090
> Roland
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[hidden email]>
> To: "'Elecraft Discussion List'" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:04 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Just built AADE capacitance meter - great!
>
>
> > Just a burst of enthusiasm from a satisified customer - I just
> built an
> > AADE capacitance/inductance meter. Went together in about 1 1/2
> hours,
> > worked at first power up -- what a nice instrument!
> >
> > I will be building an HFPacker amp for use with my K1, thought it
> would be
> > a good idea to be able to check the caps as they go in. I do this
> > routinely for resistors.
> >
> > 73, Mike N2HTT
> >
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Re: Way OT - eBay - HELP

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send the entire message as is to [hidden email]

It is a spam

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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Dave Lowenstein" <[hidden email]>

> Geoff,
>
> Everyone has pretty much covered the topic on the phony messages.  I've
> gotten them too.  However, your comment about contacting a real live person
> at eBay is a good one.  They are there but apparently days behind answering
> inquiries.  Since time is a major issue when dealing on eBay, you need
> timely help when there is a problem.  The problem is you can't get it when
> you need it.  That is poor customer service in my opinion and I no longer
> use eBay for that reason.  If Elecraft or the company I work for treated
> customers like eBay does, we'd be out of business!
>
> 73,
> Dave
> N7AF
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Elecraft Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:10 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Way OT - eBay - HELP
>
>
> > Sorry about this OT.  I keep getting nasty messages from ebay and ebay
> > customers saying that I have not paid for this or that. I have NEVER used
> > ebay nor have an account with them, and since none of my neighbours do
> > either my question is 'How does one contact a HUMAN at ebay?'  All my
> > messages to them seem to go into some Computer Black Hole.
> >
> > Again, sorry for the bandwidth.
> >
> > 73,
> > Geoff
> > GM4ESD
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