Way OT - eBay - HELP

[Ian Stirling, G4ICV, AB2GR]

  There's an easy way to check if it's genuine email.
When contacting by email regarding account details,
Ebay and Paypal always address the client by full name,
not something like 'Dear Paypal Client".

  Here's a great page within a site - just about every
hard-to-find US telephone number and ways to shortcircuit
the menu systems - my cyber-friend Rosie gave me the link.
http://gethuman.com/us/

Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962
--

On Wednesday 31 May 2006 05:10, Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:

> Sorry about this OT.  I keep getting nasty messages from ebay and ebay
> customers saying that I have not paid for this or that. I have NEVER used
> ebay nor have an account with them, and since none of my neighbours do
> either my question is 'How does one contact a HUMAN at ebay?'  All my
> messages to them seem to go into some Computer Black Hole.
>
> Again, sorry for the bandwidth.
>
> 73,
> Geoff
> GM4ESD

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[Ron D'Eau Claire-2]

The most telling clue is that the message provides a link to click on. A
real message from Paypal or Ebay or any financial institution will NOT
provide a link to their web site. The message will tell you to go to your
account and log on.

The links are easy to forge. Clicking on the blue link that says
"www.paypal.com" may well send you to "www.gotcha-sucker.com" or some such
place. Of course, the site will say it's  what you think it should be and
it'll look exactly like the real thing, including all the graphics, page
layout, etc., but it isn't the "real thing".

Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
  There's an easy way to check if it's genuine email. When contacting by
email regarding account details, Ebay and Paypal always address the client
by full name, not something like 'Dear Paypal Client".

  Here's a great page within a site - just about every hard-to-find US
telephone number and ways to shortcircuit the menu systems - my cyber-friend
Rosie gave me the link. http://gethuman.com/us/

Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962
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[Stephen W. Kercel]

Ian:

Sincere thanks for this invaluable link.

73,

Steve
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At 02:33 PM 5/31/2006, Ian Stirling wrote:

>   There's an easy way to check if it's genuine email.
>When contacting by email regarding account details,
>Ebay and Paypal always address the client by full name,
>not something like 'Dear Paypal Client".
>
>   Here's a great page within a site - just about every
>hard-to-find US telephone number and ways to shortcircuit
>the menu systems - my cyber-friend Rosie gave me the link.
>http://gethuman.com/us/
>
>Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962

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[Alexandra Carter]

OK people. Listen up and listen up good.

DON'T have anything to do with PayPal until you have read the sites  
www.paypalwarning.com and www.paypalsucks.com - then look into the  
many class-action and individual lawsuits against PayPal and then and  
only then will you be equipped to decide if you want them to own a  
piece of your life.... forever.

THEN, if you get SPAM from PayPal, forward it with full headers to  
[hidden email] You see, PayPal is owned by Ebay therefore all PayPal  
scams and spoofs are actually done by Ebay.

Anything newsworthy, go to your news media right away - if it bleeds  
it leads and PayPal/Ebay make plenty of people do just that, all  
accounts cleaned out and the victem left living under a bridge and  
begging for a living.

de Alex NS6Y.
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[Alexandra Carter]

Aren't those just the greatest little toys? I've built one too and  
they're great! I can also recommend the M2 Electronix Component  
Analyzer. That will tell you what kind of transistor/diode you have,  
it's hfe and stuff like that, another cool little toy. 73 de Alex NS6Y

On May 31, 2006, at 7:04 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Just a burst of enthusiasm from a satisified customer - I just  
> built an AADE capacitance/inductance meter. Went together in about  
> 1 1/2 hours, worked at first power up -- what a nice instrument!
>
> I will be building an HFPacker amp for use with my K1, thought it  
> would be a good idea to be able to check the caps as they go in. I  
> do this routinely for resistors.
>
> 73, Mike N2HTT
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[Ed Muns, W0YK]

This thread started off out-of-bounds and has gotten worse.  Please stop ...
no more postings.  Back to Elecraft topics.

Thanks,
Ed - W0YK

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> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:54 PM
> To: Ron D'Eau Claire
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Way OT - eBay - HELP
>
> OK people. Listen up and listen up good.
>
> DON'T have anything to do with PayPal until you have read the
> sites www.paypalwarning.com and www.paypalsucks.com - then
> look into the many class-action and individual lawsuits
> against PayPal and then and only then will you be equipped to
> decide if you want them to own a piece of your life.... forever.
>
> THEN, if you get SPAM from PayPal, forward it with full
> headers to [hidden email] You see, PayPal is owned by Ebay
> therefore all PayPal scams and spoofs are actually done by Ebay.
>
> Anything newsworthy, go to your news media right away - if it
> bleeds it leads and PayPal/Ebay make plenty of people do just
> that, all accounts cleaned out and the victem left living
> under a bridge and begging for a living.
>
> de Alex NS6Y.
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[Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy-2]

In case I missed somebody, thank you all for your help. A great family of
'Elecrafters'.

73,
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[Ron D'Eau Claire-2]

If you're in the market for a new DMM, the mid-range Radio Shack DMM's
provide these capabilities as well. One time I suddenly needed a part for my
Fluke and I was in the middle of building - my K2 IIRC. So I trucked down to
the local RS store and picked up a meter to use in the interim. It's a real
workhorse. It measures:

Voltage, resistance and current, of course current up to about 10 amps I
believe.

You can plug a transistor into a socket provided and it'll report the type
of transistor, the gain and identify the leads.

Capacitance from a couple of pF to many, many microfarads. It has about 100
pF "stray" capacitance, but a 5 pF cap reads exactly 5 pF more than the
stray minimum cap it indicates with nothing connected.

Temperature with a probe supplied.

Frequency through the audio range.

Of course, it has front-panel contacts for critical measurements to avoid
having the leads in the circuit.

The only thing it doesn't measure that I want regularly is inductance. I
have an inductance measuring device built from an ARRL "Handbook" circuit
that uses the DMM as a readout. Quite accurate enough from a one or two
microhenries up to several millihenries.

I got RS meter about seven years ago, but I see they seem to keep a meter
with those capabilities in the US$80 to $90 range in their regular
instrument lineup.

Yeah, I fixed the Fluke. The Fluke is faster. The RS meter takes about 2 or
3 seconds to produce a reading while the Fluke is virtually instantaneous. I
compared them side-by-side and compared those with a third high-end meter I
own and all three agree on Ohms, Volts and Amps across the scale wherever
I've happened to check them within 1% or better. Usually they dial up
identical values on the display when connected together.

The slow speed of the RS isn't an issue for me because I have an old VOM
(wiggly meter movement volt-ohm-amp meter) that I use for "peaking" things,
or I use my o'scope.

Ron AC7AC


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[peter gerba]

Hi Ya;

I don't normally post on here but I thought I would add a bit to the paypal
thing; this is OT but hope Eric won't mind.

Some friends recently inherited a home from a relative who passed away. The
home was sold and the furniture was made available to the siblings. The
remaining, unwanted furniture was put on ebay, the proceeds to be split
among them.
My friend received a call from Santa Clare County demanding tax from the
ebay sales. The State of California is now involved. When the tax people
were asked about this small sale of tables and chairs etc. My friend was
told that paypal had reported the sales to the county as being over $500/mo.
for several months and they wanted their cut.

pete, kn6bi







-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Alexandra Carter
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:54 PM
To: Ron D'Eau Claire
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Way OT - eBay - HELP


OK people. Listen up and listen up good.

DON'T have anything to do with PayPal until you have read the sites
www.paypalwarning.com and www.paypalsucks.com - then look into the
many class-action and individual lawsuits against PayPal and then and
only then will you be equipped to decide if you want them to own a
piece of your life.... forever.

THEN, if you get SPAM from PayPal, forward it with full headers to
[hidden email] You see, PayPal is owned by Ebay therefore all PayPal
scams and spoofs are actually done by Ebay.

Anything newsworthy, go to your news media right away - if it bleeds
it leads and PayPal/Ebay make plenty of people do just that, all
accounts cleaned out and the victem left living under a bridge and
begging for a living.

de Alex NS6Y.
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[wayne burdick]

Thanks,
Wayne
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[Thom LaCosta]

On Wed, 31 May 2006, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

>
> The links are easy to forge. Clicking on the blue link that says
> "www.paypal.com" may well send you to "www.gotcha-sucker.com" or some such
> place. Of course, the site will say it's  what you think it should be and
> it'll look exactly like the real thing, including all the graphics, page
> layout, etc., but it isn't the "real thing".

Eudora warns you that the link ain't that it says it is....and conveniently
shows you the "real" url.

That's one of the reasons ebay and payapl ask for the message to be forarded in
its original form...so they can see the bogus url.

73,Thom-k3hrn
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[Tom McCulloch]

As others have indicated, this is most likely a dishonest attempt to get you
to give information. One way to check is as follows.  If the questionable
e-mail has a link for you to click on DO NOT CLICK ON IT, but rather place
your cursor over the link and look at the bottom left of your browse (if you
are using Microsoft Explorer, that is).  This shows you the destination that
the link will send you to, if you click.  It probably has nothing to do with
e-bay but belongs to the bad guys.

As was stated in earlier responses, this is becoming a problem and the bogus
e-mail often looks very convincing.

I've recently received these phishing attempts from someone claiming to be
PayPal (but wasn't) saying very matter of factly, that PayPal made a payment
from my account (which I never authorized, of course).  It even had the
amount and to whom it was being sent (both fictitious).  Then it said, if I
had any question to simply click on the link, of course I was tempted to get
to the bottom of that, but when I saw where the link was sending me I
realized it was a phish.

Be Careful, this really stinks.

Tom
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy" <[hidden email]>
To: "Elecraft Discussion List" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:10 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Way OT - eBay - HELP

> Sorry about this OT.  I keep getting nasty messages from ebay and ebay
> customers saying that I have not paid for this or that. I have NEVER used
> ebay nor have an account with them, and since none of my neighbours do
> either my question is 'How does one contact a HUMAN at ebay?'  All my
> messages to them seem to go into some Computer Black Hole.
>
> Again, sorry for the bandwidth.
>
> 73,
> Geoff
> GM4ESD
>
>
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[Matt Osborn]

The M3 Universal Frequency Counter/Power Meter is one of the most
frequently used tools on my bench (after only my DMM).

M3 produces some fine tools that are also fun to build.

On Wed, 31 May 2006 12:59:09 -0700, Alexandra Carter
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>Aren't those just the greatest little toys? I've built one too and  
>they're great! I can also recommend the M2 Electronix Component  
>Analyzer. That will tell you what kind of transistor/diode you have,  
>it's hfe and stuff like that, another cool little toy. 73 de Alex NS6Y
>
>On May 31, 2006, at 7:04 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>> Just a burst of enthusiasm from a satisified customer - I just  
>> built an AADE capacitance/inductance meter. Went together in about  
>> 1 1/2 hours, worked at first power up -- what a nice instrument!
>>
>> I will be building an HFPacker amp for use with my K1, thought it  
>> would be a good idea to be able to check the caps as they go in. I  
>> do this routinely for resistors.
>>
>> 73, Mike N2HTT
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[n2htt-2]

Ron,

I agree - the RS meters give a lot of value for the money. I have a low-end RS DMM that reads up to 10A. Doesn't have any of the other measurements you mentioned, but it was only $29 as I recall.

And, it is quite a bit slower to read than the Fluke.

73,
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]>
Date: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:24 pm
Subject: [Elecraft] Useful DMM/Cap/Transistor Meters (WAS: Just built AADE capacitance meter - great!)

> If you're in the market for a new DMM, the mid-range Radio Shack DMM's
> provide these capabilities as well. One time I suddenly needed a
> part for my
> Fluke and I was in the middle of building - my K2 IIRC. So I
> trucked down to
> the local RS store and picked up a meter to use in the interim.
> It's a real
> workhorse. It measures:
>
> Voltage, resistance and current, of course current up to about 10
> amps I
> believe.
>
> You can plug a transistor into a socket provided and it'll report
> the type
> of transistor, the gain and identify the leads.
>
> Capacitance from a couple of pF to many, many microfarads. It has
> about 100
> pF "stray" capacitance, but a 5 pF cap reads exactly 5 pF more than
> thestray minimum cap it indicates with nothing connected.
>
> Temperature with a probe supplied.
>
> Frequency through the audio range.
>
> Of course, it has front-panel contacts for critical measurements to
> avoidhaving the leads in the circuit.
>
> The only thing it doesn't measure that I want regularly is
> inductance. I
> have an inductance measuring device built from an ARRL "Handbook"
> circuitthat uses the DMM as a readout. Quite accurate enough from a
> one or two
> microhenries up to several millihenries.
>
> I got RS meter about seven years ago, but I see they seem to keep a
> meterwith those capabilities in the US$80 to $90 range in their
> regularinstrument lineup.
>
> Yeah, I fixed the Fluke. The Fluke is faster. The RS meter takes
> about 2 or
> 3 seconds to produce a reading while the Fluke is virtually
> instantaneous. I
> compared them side-by-side and compared those with a third high-end
> meter I
> own and all three agree on Ohms, Volts and Amps across the scale
> whereverI've happened to check them within 1% or better. Usually
> they dial up
> identical values on the display when connected together.
>
> The slow speed of the RS isn't an issue for me because I have an
> old VOM
> (wiggly meter movement volt-ohm-amp meter) that I use for "peaking"
> things,or I use my o'scope.
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
>
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[Alexandra Carter]

Testing testing test message. Am I still on this list? Alex.

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Looks like you are!

Mark  AD5SS


On 6/1/06, Alexandra Carter <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Testing testing test message. Am I still on this list? Alex.
>
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[Alexandra Carter]

Thanks, I was wondering. Seems my missive against PayPal was  
"disappeared" Alex.

On May 31, 2006, at 10:56 PM, Mark Bayern wrote:

> Looks like you are!
>
> Mark  AD5SS
>
>
> On 6/1/06, Alexandra Carter <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Testing testing test message. Am I still on this list? Alex.
>>

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[Thom LaCosta]

On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Alexandra Carter wrote:

> Thanks, I was wondering. Seems my missive against PayPal was "disappeared"

The one that started off with
OK people. Listen up and listen up good

The one that appeared just before the thread was closed by the moderator?

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[Roland Whitsitt]

Just wanted to send a note of thanks for all the comments on a meter that
reads capacitance and inductance.  I should have asked this from the
beginning.
Cheers!
Roland N5VWN
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