Will there be a K4?
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Wow; there's a tantalizing post.
I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others. Here's my list: 1. Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500. Without it, I don't buy a K4. Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod. 2. Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / K3s. Existing investments in shack design have been built around the current equipment. 3. Built-in remoting. Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles. 4. Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any outboard computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason. 5. Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to nearly K3s, would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of major design changes. 6. One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- an internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer. 7. On-board panadapter. Touch-sensitive screen is not all that desirable. I much prefer soft keys. Keeps the PBJ off the screen. 8. A kit version, as much as feasible. Ted, KN1CBR _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM To: Elecraft list <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Inquiring minds want to know: What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? Eric elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I'm easy. All I want is the I&Q stream available on the back of the
radio as it is on the KX3 while keeping the IF output. That opens up a number of options that I now use work arounds for. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "Dauer, Edward" <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: 3/24/2019 10:12:48 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? > Wow; there's a tantalizing post. > >I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others. Here's my list: > >1. Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500. Without it, I don't buy a K4. Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod. > >2. Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / K3s. Existing investments in shack design have been built around the current equipment. > >3. Built-in remoting. Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles. > >4. Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any outboard computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason. > >5. Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to nearly K3s, would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of major design changes. > >6. One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- an internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer. > >7. On-board panadapter. Touch-sensitive screen is not all that desirable. I much prefer soft keys. Keeps the PBJ off the screen. > >8. A kit version, as much as feasible. > > >Ted, KN1CBR > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM > To: Elecraft list <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 > > Inquiring minds want to know: > What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? > > Eric > elecraft.com > > > > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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THe P3 is already a receiver, all it needs is a board to bring the I/Q
out to the world, How about Elecraft making a board for that purpose? Has been talked about before but have heard of nothing happening with the idea. Im sure there are many willing to invest in a board and what ever else it takes, it would keep everything in the K3/P3 enclosures, and eliminate all the hang on pieces that people use now. 73 Merv K9FD > I'm easy. All I want is the I&Q stream available on the back of the > radio as it is on the KX3 while keeping the IF output. That opens up a > number of options that I now use work arounds for. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Dauer, Edward" <[hidden email]> > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Sent: 3/24/2019 10:12:48 PM > Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? > >> Wow; there's a tantalizing post. >> >> I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others. Here's my >> list: >> >> 1. Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500. Without it, I >> don't buy a K4. Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod. >> >> 2. Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / >> K3s. Existing investments in shack design have been built around the >> current equipment. >> >> 3. Built-in remoting. Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles. >> >> 4. Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any >> outboard computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason. >> >> 5. Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to >> nearly K3s, would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of >> major design changes. >> >> 6. One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- >> an internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer. >> >> 7. On-board panadapter. Touch-sensitive screen is not all that >> desirable. I much prefer soft keys. Keeps the PBJ off the screen. >> >> 8. A kit version, as much as feasible. >> >> >> Ted, KN1CBR >> >> >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> >> From: [hidden email] >> <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - >> Elecraft >> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM >> To: Elecraft list <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 >> >> Inquiring minds want to know: >> What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? >> >> Eric >> elecraft.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Merv,
I didn't mean using the P3 for I&Q data. I would prefer having it available from the K3S/K4. That would really cut down on the extra stuff. 73, Barry K3NDM ------ Original Message ------ From: "K9FD" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: 3/24/2019 10:37:40 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? >THe P3 is already a receiver, all it needs is a board to bring the I/Q out to the world, >How about Elecraft making a board for that purpose? >Has been talked about before but have heard of nothing happening with the idea. >Im sure there are many willing to invest in a board and what ever else it takes, it would >keep everything in the K3/P3 enclosures, and eliminate all the hang on pieces that people >use now. > >73 Merv K9FD > >>I'm easy. All I want is the I&Q stream available on the back of the radio as it is on the KX3 while keeping the IF output. That opens up a number of options that I now use work arounds for. >> >>73, >>Barry >>K3NDM >> >>------ Original Message ------ >>From: "Dauer, Edward" <[hidden email]> >>To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> >>Sent: 3/24/2019 10:12:48 PM >>Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? >> >>> Wow; there's a tantalizing post. >>> >>>I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others. Here's my list: >>> >>>1. Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500. Without it, I don't buy a K4. Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod. >>> >>>2. Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / K3s. Existing investments in shack design have been built around the current equipment. >>> >>>3. Built-in remoting. Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles. >>> >>>4. Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any outboard computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason. >>> >>>5. Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to nearly K3s, would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of major design changes. >>> >>>6. One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- an internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer. >>> >>>7. On-board panadapter. Touch-sensitive screen is not all that desirable. I much prefer soft keys. Keeps the PBJ off the screen. >>> >>>8. A kit version, as much as feasible. >>> >>> >>>Ted, KN1CBR >>> >>> >>> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >>> >>> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft >>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM >>> To: Elecraft list <[hidden email]> >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 >>> >>> Inquiring minds want to know: >>> What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? >>> >>> Eric >>> elecraft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>______________________________________________________________ >>>Elecraft mailing list >>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:[hidden email] > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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How about built-in network remote capability with KPA1500?
72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 9:13 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4? Wow; there's a tantalizing post. I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others. Here's my list: 1. Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500. Without it, I don't buy a K4. Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod. 2. Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / K3s. Existing investments in shack design have been built around the current equipment. 3. Built-in remoting. Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles. 4. Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any outboard computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason. 5. Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to nearly K3s, would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of major design changes. 6. One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- an internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer. 7. On-board panadapter. Touch-sensitive screen is not all that desirable. I much prefer soft keys. Keeps the PBJ off the screen. 8. A kit version, as much as feasible. Ted, KN1CBR _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM To: Elecraft list <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 Inquiring minds want to know: What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? Eric elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Mr. Eric, perhaps you are fishing in the wrong pond ...
To coin a phrase: Ask not why some hams buy your radios - ask why all the others do not. Asking members of this group who are pleased with your products is misplaced. Instead, you should poll those who recently purchased, or who contemplate purchasing, competing products. More hams purchase competing products than buy Elecraft gear, so you should ask THEM why. Disregard sycophantic owners who claim you make the only rig worth owning (even if that is true!) Disregard those who claim other manufacturers have lost touch with their customers, because that is simply not true. Many well informed, qualified hams buy other brands for good reasons. In any case, you should determine what induced them to eschew your products for theirs. Contrary to popular belief, owning Brand X is not a sign of insanity! Contest guru K3LR has brand X radios in his big contest shack. World famous Rob Sherwood NC0B has four of the latest Brand X radios and the latest Brand Y radio on his desk. And they are pretty smart guys. To increase market share, you must produce products that appeal to more buyers with money to spend. (I learned this is Business 101.) ;-) That is just MY take ... you make the call. K8JHR _____________________________ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Of course. But we’re not going to tell everyone about our secret fishing spots.
This particular pond just happens to be in a very public place. One where we get nibbles on every cast. 73, Wayne N6KR ---- elecraft.com > On Mar 25, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Richards <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Mr. Eric, perhaps you are fishing in the wrong pond ... > > To coin a phrase: Ask not why some hams buy your radios - ask why all the others do not. > > Asking members of this group who are pleased with your products is misplaced. Instead, you should poll those who recently purchased, or who contemplate purchasing, competing products. More hams purchase competing products than buy Elecraft gear, so you should ask THEM why. Disregard sycophantic owners who claim you make the only rig worth owning (even if that is true!) Disregard those who claim other manufacturers have lost touch with their customers, because that is simply not true. Many well informed, qualified hams buy other brands for good reasons. In any case, you should determine what induced them to eschew your products for theirs. Contrary to popular belief, owning Brand X is not a sign of insanity! Contest guru K3LR has brand X radios in his big contest shack. World famous Rob Sherwood NC0B has four of the latest Brand X radios and the latest Brand Y radio on his desk. And they are pretty smart guys. To increase market share, you must produce products that appeal to more buyers with money to spend. (I learned this is Business 101.) ;-) > > That is just MY take ... you make the call. K8JHR > > _____________________________ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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(I learned this is Business 101.) ;-)
Let us know how you do in Business 102. [kidding, couldn't resist] 73, Kev K4VD On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 9:08 PM Richards <[hidden email]> wrote: > Mr. Eric, perhaps you are fishing in the wrong pond ... > > To coin a phrase: Ask not why some hams buy your radios - ask why all > the others do not. > > Asking members of this group who are pleased with your products is > misplaced. Instead, you should poll those who recently purchased, or > who contemplate purchasing, competing products. More hams purchase > competing products than buy Elecraft gear, so you should ask THEM > why. Disregard sycophantic owners who claim you make the only rig > worth owning (even if that is true!) Disregard those who claim other > manufacturers have lost touch with their customers, because that is > simply not true. Many well informed, qualified hams buy other brands > for good reasons. In any case, you should determine what induced them > to eschew your products for theirs. Contrary to popular belief, owning > Brand X is not a sign of insanity! Contest guru K3LR has brand X > radios in his big contest shack. World famous Rob Sherwood NC0B has > four of the latest Brand X radios and the latest Brand Y radio on his > desk. And they are pretty smart guys. To increase market share, you > must produce products that appeal to more buyers with money to spend. > (I learned this is Business 101.) ;-) > > That is just MY take ... you make the call. K8JHR > > _____________________________ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Repeat customers and customer loyalty are the foundations of any successful
business. Their word of mouth recommendations are pure gold to any manufacturer, so engaging them in these discussions costs little and pays big dividends. From what I have read, many of the wish list items are features already found on rigs from other manufacturers, so some of those bases are being covered. That said, polling non-owners is always worthwhile...maybe at hamfests if you can keep the syncophants from crowding the table. What would I like to see? A K3s or a K4 are well beyond my means. I'd like an improved KX3: 1. Dedicated audio inputs/outputs for digital modes. Built in sound card. 2. An ethernet port for easy internet remote control, including a way to turn the the transceiver on and off, plus remote access to every other function (I say this not knowing whether that's possible already now) 3. A method of setting digital mode audio levels that doesn't leave the operator wondering why the meters aren't working. 4. Move further away from the mindset that your customers are hikers and backpackers. You serve them very well already. If my theoretical KX3s grew to the size of a K2 that would not bother me. 73, Ken Alexander (still VE3HLS) So Phisai, Thailand Blog: bueng-ken.com On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 08:08 Richards <[hidden email]> wrote: > Mr. Eric, perhaps you are fishing in the wrong pond ... > > To coin a phrase: Ask not why some hams buy your radios - ask why all > the others do not. > > Asking members of this group who are pleased with your products is > misplaced. Instead, you should poll those who recently purchased, or > who contemplate purchasing, competing products. More hams purchase > competing products than buy Elecraft gear, so you should ask THEM > why. Disregard sycophantic owners who claim you make the only rig > worth owning (even if that is true!) Disregard those who claim other > manufacturers have lost touch with their customers, because that is > simply not true. Many well informed, qualified hams buy other brands > for good reasons. In any case, you should determine what induced them > to eschew your products for theirs. Contrary to popular belief, owning > Brand X is not a sign of insanity! Contest guru K3LR has brand X > radios in his big contest shack. World famous Rob Sherwood NC0B has > four of the latest Brand X radios and the latest Brand Y radio on his > desk. And they are pretty smart guys. To increase market share, you > must produce products that appeal to more buyers with money to spend. > (I learned this is Business 101.) ;-) > > That is just MY take ... you make the call. K8JHR > > _____________________________ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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RIGHT ON, Mr. Wayne !! Good answer.
K8JHR -------------------------------------------- On 3/25/2019 9:33 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Of course. But we’re not going to tell everyone about our secret > fishing spots. > > This particular pond just happens to be in a very public place. One > where we get nibbles on every cast. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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Nice list Ted.
I agree with all except a variation on numbers 4 and 6: I'm happy to have an external computer for contest and everyday logging and for functionality equivalent to K3 Utility. All else (digital modes, remote operation etc) should be on-board. 73, David G3WGN M6O WJ6O K2, KX3, K3, P3, W2... Edward A. Dauer wrote > Wow; there's a tantalizing post. > > I'll leave the important technical suggestions to others. Here's my list: > > 1. Seamless backwards compatibility with the KPA1500. Without it, I > don't buy a K4. Likewise, though much less important, for the K-Pod. > > 2. Similar though not necessarily identical form factor to the K3 / K3s. > Existing investments in shack design have been built around the current > equipment. > > 3. Built-in remoting. Get rid of the RemoteRig dongles. > > 4. Whatever it takes, so far as possible, to make connecting any outboard > computer to the rig unnecessary for any reason. > > 5. Upgrading from K3 to K4, as we had for upgrading from K3 to nearly > K3s, would be nice but I wouldn't let it stand in the way of major design > changes. > > 6. One tiny matter the absence of which has always just bugged me -- an > internal contest QSO S/N counter for the internal memory CW keyer. > > 7. On-board panadapter. Touch-sensitive screen is not all that > desirable. I much prefer soft keys. Keeps the PBJ off the screen. > > 8. A kit version, as much as feasible. > > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > From: > elecraft-bounces@.qth > < > elecraft-bounces@.qth > > On Behalf Of Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM > To: Elecraft list < > Elecraft@.qth > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4 > > Inquiring minds want to know: > What would you all like to see as a ?K4? ? > > Eric > elecraft.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft@.qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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