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Edward R Cole

WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

If you need upgrades to SP3 for win-XP, you may be too late.

I rebuilt an old computer a couple weeks ago as it had gotten
corrupted and the easiest process was to wipe clean the HD and
reinstall windows. I only have a CD with SP2 so have relied on
auto-updating to upgrade to SP3. A couple weeks ago that worked fine.

My wife wanted her duo-core desktop rebuilt but may have taken too
long to save off her favorite files. I got it three days ago and
have rebuilt it, but auto-upgrading is not available. The IE-6.0
crashes on opening and needs to upgrade to IE-8.0 but first one has
to have SP3. Well, I went exploring on MS website and found SP3
upgrades for professionals (316 MB) so hoping it will still
download. You used to be able to get a CD with SP3 but it is NLA.

If you were planning to upgrade your old XP computer before they stop
support -- well -- it may already be too late?
How's the saying go? "you snooze, you lose!"

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
"Kits made by KL7UW"
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Charles Johnson-2

Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

It’s not too late...

I just finished rebuilding an XP machine from scratch (reformatted hard drive) and also had only an XP SP2 CD. IE 6.0 (as contained on the CD) would not update to IE 8, nor would the service patches apply because “Windows Update” is no longer supported. “Microsoft Update” is the new method, but could not get it to install either. Finally found all the updates on Microsoft’s website, but it’s a manual effort. Going from XP SP2, first update to SP3 via a download of SP3. That gets you IE 8, but in order to update to “Microsoft Update” there is a security patch that has to be applied first. Once that is applied, then there are 132 updates that come automatically after you enable “automatic updates”.

Worked for me. My old Dell P4 is running an updated XP just fine.

73, Charles, K4ZRJ

On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Edward R Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:

> If you need upgrades to SP3 for win-XP, you may be too late.
>
> I rebuilt an old computer a couple weeks ago as it had gotten corrupted and the easiest process was to wipe clean the HD and reinstall windows. I only have a CD with SP2 so have relied on auto-updating to upgrade to SP3. A couple weeks ago that worked fine.
>
> My wife wanted her duo-core desktop rebuilt but may have taken too long to save off her favorite files. I got it three days ago and have rebuilt it, but auto-upgrading is not available. The IE-6.0 crashes on opening and needs to upgrade to IE-8.0 but first one has to have SP3. Well, I went exploring on MS website and found SP3 upgrades for professionals (316 MB) so hoping it will still download. You used to be able to get a CD with SP3 but it is NLA.
>
> If you were planning to upgrade your old XP computer before they stop support -- well -- it may already be too late?
> How's the saying go? "you snooze, you lose!"
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
> "Kits made by KL7UW"
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William Liporace - WC2L

Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

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Here is a manual download from a safe site:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=24

Will WC2L

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Subject: [Elecraft] WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

If you need upgrades to SP3 for win-XP, you may be too late.

I rebuilt an old computer a couple weeks ago as it had gotten corrupted and
the easiest process was to wipe clean the HD and reinstall windows. I only
have a CD with SP2 so have relied on auto-updating to upgrade to SP3. A
couple weeks ago that worked fine.

My wife wanted her duo-core desktop rebuilt but may have taken too long to
save off her favorite files. I got it three days ago and have rebuilt it,
but auto-upgrading is not available. The IE-6.0 crashes on opening and
needs to upgrade to IE-8.0 but first one has to have SP3. Well, I went
exploring on MS website and found SP3 upgrades for professionals (316 MB) so
hoping it will still download. You used to be able to get a CD with SP3 but
it is NLA.

If you were planning to upgrade your old XP computer before they stop
support -- well -- it may already be too late?
How's the saying go? "you snooze, you lose!"

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
"Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
[hidden email]

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JohnE

Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

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Its just the Universe telling you its time to try Linux....

On 03/28/2014 05:27 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> If you need upgrades to SP3 for win-XP, you may be too late.

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

I have tried Linux. It is just fine for those who have computers that
are not networked to each other and do not need access to files on other
computers on a network. Yes, for Linux geeks, it can be made to work,
but discovering just the right 'tweeks' for Samba can be frustrating.

If all one wants is a computer to do email and surfing the internet,
Linux is an extremely good no cost solution, but if integration into a
Windows Network is part of your operation, I suggest that you upgrade to
Win 7 or Win 8, there are just too many hurdles to leap in that
situation with Linux. Besides, most ham applications are Windows based,
and several do not run well under Wine. Getting COM port assignments
when using Wine has been an exercise in frustration for me, most
recently with USB adapters. Maybe I am just not "geek enough", but it
was frustrating and not successful.

Linux may be good (and getting better), but it is not the cure for all
ills. As I indicated, it is a good, no cost solution for old Win XP
computers that will be used primarily as standalone computers for email
and internet surfing. For that I like Linux Mint with the Mate desktop
- it is quite "windows-like" and can be easily used by users who are
transitioning from Windows.

I have 8 computers plus a file server on my network that talk to each
other, all running Win 7, but 2 of them dual boot to Linux Mint for
those occasional excursions for things that do not work on Windows - but
those are not mainstream items, they are "sideshows". The workbench
computer and the ham shack computer are the only 2 with that dual boot
installation.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/28/2014 8:59 PM, JohnE wrote:
> Its just the Universe telling you its time to try Linux....
>
> On 03/28/2014 05:27 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>> If you need upgrades to SP3 for win-XP, you may be too late.
>

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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

I'm with Don on this one. I use two Macs, with OS
X 10.9.x, for most of my work -- but both have
Windows 7 installed in dual boot configuration,
because Windows has better support for some needs
-- like ham radio and managing my GPS map loads to
name two. My workhorse ripping and burning machine
is a 5-year old Dell running Win 7 (was XP)
because I can use very fast optical drives with it
and I prefer the software on that platform. And
my ham shack machine is a $280, 10.1" HP running
Win 8.1; it does all the Elecraft support quite
well, as well as digital modes.

But I do have a Raspberry Pi running Linux :-)

73, Phil w7ox

On 3/28/14, 7:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> I have tried Linux. It is just fine for those
> who have computers that are not networked to
> each other and do not need access to files on
> other computers on a network. Yes, for Linux
> geeks, it can be made to work, but discovering
> just the right 'tweeks' for Samba can be
> frustrating.
>
> If all one wants is a computer to do email and
> surfing the internet, Linux is an extremely good
> no cost solution, but if integration into a
> Windows Network is part of your operation, I
> suggest that you upgrade to Win 7 or Win 8,
> there are just too many hurdles to leap in that
> situation with Linux. Besides, most ham
> applications are Windows based, and several do
> not run well under Wine. Getting COM port
> assignments when using Wine has been an exercise
> in frustration for me, most recently with USB
> adapters. Maybe I am just not "geek enough",
> but it was frustrating and not successful.
>
> Linux may be good (and getting better), but it
> is not the cure for all ills. As I indicated,
> it is a good, no cost solution for old Win XP
> computers that will be used primarily as
> standalone computers for email and internet
> surfing. For that I like Linux Mint with the
> Mate desktop - it is quite "windows-like" and
> can be easily used by users who are
> transitioning from Windows.
>
> I have 8 computers plus a file server on my
> network that talk to each other, all running Win
> 7, but 2 of them dual boot to Linux Mint for
> those occasional excursions for things that do
> not work on Windows - but those are not
> mainstream items, they are "sideshows". The
> workbench computer and the ham shack computer
> are the only 2 with that dual boot installation.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 3/28/2014 8:59 PM, JohnE wrote:
>> Its just the Universe telling you its time to
>> try Linux....
>>
>> On 03/28/2014 05:27 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>>> If you need upgrades to SP3 for win-XP, you
>>> may be too late.
>>
>

AF5BV

Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

I am very much the same way - I have an iMac and Macbook Air but recently built a dual boot Win7/Linux box. Originally I went for Win7 since I had had enough of running some Ham aps under VMWare on the mac. Now I find myself mostly in Linux mode for Ham use - I use Elementary OS as my Linux “distro” of choice because I can configure it more to look like OSX. Linux has a lot of Ham support, more than OSX probably, and I can configure fldigi without issue to operate digital. I still have not given up the mac since I am also a photographer, and Photoshop is not available under Linux, so the iMac is still my workhorse photo machine.

For an old machine, I’d most certainly try Linux - try eOS, or other Ubuntu distro like Mint.

Paul
AF5BV

On Mar 28, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'm with Don on this one. I use two Macs, with OS X 10.9.x, for most of my work -- but both have Windows 7 installed in dual boot configuration, because Windows has better support for some needs -- like ham radio and managing my GPS map loads to name two. My workhorse ripping and burning machine is a 5-year old Dell running Win 7 (was XP) because I can use very fast optical drives with it and I prefer the software on that platform. And my ham shack machine is a $280, 10.1" HP running Win 8.1; it does all the Elecraft support quite well, as well as digital modes.
>
> But I do have a Raspberry Pi running Linux :-)
>
> 73, Phil w7ox
>
> On 3/28/14, 7:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> I have tried Linux. It is just fine for those who have computers that are not networked to each other and do not need access to files on other computers on a network. Yes, for Linux geeks, it can be made to work, but discovering just the right 'tweeks' for Samba can be frustrating.
>>
>> If all one wants is a computer to do email and surfing the internet, Linux is an extremely good no cost solution, but if integration into a Windows Network is part of your operation, I suggest that you upgrade to Win 7 or Win 8, there are just too many hurdles to leap in that situation with Linux. Besides, most ham applications are Windows based, and several do not run well under Wine. Getting COM port assignments when using Wine has been an exercise in frustration for me, most recently with USB adapters. Maybe I am just not "geek enough", but it was frustrating and not successful.
>>
>> Linux may be good (and getting better), but it is not the cure for all ills. As I indicated, it is a good, no cost solution for old Win XP computers that will be used primarily as standalone computers for email and internet surfing. For that I like Linux Mint with the Mate desktop - it is quite "windows-like" and can be easily used by users who are transitioning from Windows.
>>
>> I have 8 computers plus a file server on my network that talk to each other, all running Win 7, but 2 of them dual boot to Linux Mint for those occasional excursions for things that do not work on Windows - but those are not mainstream items, they are "sideshows". The workbench computer and the ham shack computer are the only 2 with that dual boot installation.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 3/28/2014 8:59 PM, JohnE wrote:
>>> Its just the Universe telling you its time to try Linux....
>>>
>>> On 03/28/2014 05:27 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>>>> If you need upgrades to SP3 for win-XP, you may be too late.
>>>
>>
>
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

Further on this question...

Has anyone tried out the Linux version of the Elecraft utilities on Raspberry Pi? Oh, maybe I can do that if I steal some time from other projects. I have never bothered to even look at these Linux version utilities to see what dependencies they might have.

My only use of computers in the ham shack is for running the Elecraft utilities which I do on my iMac desktop (currently writing on my Macbook Pro laptop). A full Apple Mac house here. I did have Windows running on an old laptop which I kept for running Eznec only but I have switched over from Eznec to NEC4 totally and I am working on doing the graphic work in Mathematica -- both of these are on my Mac computers. I still have that old windows laptop but now it is an old Linux laptop that is collecting the same amount of dust as it did with windows loaded on it (I like Linux but there is nothing I can do on Linux I can't do on my Macs).

73, phil, K7PEH

On Mar 29, 2014, at 7:24 AM, Anthony Marriott <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I am very much the same way - I have an iMac and Macbook Air but recently built a dual boot Win7/Linux box. Originally I went for Win7 since I had had enough of running some Ham aps under VMWare on the mac. Now I find myself mostly in Linux mode for Ham use - I use Elementary OS as my Linux “distro” of choice because I can configure it more to look like OSX. Linux has a lot of Ham support, more than OSX probably, and I can configure fldigi without issue to operate digital. I still have not given up the mac since I am also a photographer, and Photoshop is not available under Linux, so the iMac is still my workhorse photo machine.
>
> For an old machine, I’d most certainly try Linux - try eOS, or other Ubuntu distro like Mint.
>
> Paul
> AF5BV
>
> On Mar 28, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I'm with Don on this one. I use two Macs, with OS X 10.9.x, for most of my work -- but both have Windows 7 installed in dual boot configuration, because Windows has better support for some needs -- like ham radio and managing my GPS map loads to name two. My workhorse ripping and burning machine is a 5-year old Dell running Win 7 (was XP) because I can use very fast optical drives with it and I prefer the software on that platform. And my ham shack machine is a $280, 10.1" HP running Win 8.1; it does all the Elecraft support quite well, as well as digital modes.
>>
>> But I do have a Raspberry Pi running Linux :-)
>>
>> 73, Phil w7ox
>>
>> On 3/28/14, 7:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> I have tried Linux. It is just fine for those who have computers that are not networked to each other and do not need access to files on other computers on a network. Yes, for Linux geeks, it can be made to work, but discovering just the right 'tweeks' for Samba can be frustrating.
>>>
>>> If all one wants is a computer to do email and surfing the internet, Linux is an extremely good no cost solution, but if integration into a Windows Network is part of your operation, I suggest that you upgrade to Win 7 or Win 8, there are just too many hurdles to leap in that situation with Linux. Besides, most ham applications are Windows based, and several do not run well under Wine. Getting COM port assignments when using Wine has been an exercise in frustration for me, most recently with USB adapters. Maybe I am just not "geek enough", but it was frustrating and not successful.
>>>
>>> Linux may be good (and getting better), but it is not the cure for all ills. As I indicated, it is a good, no cost solution for old Win XP computers that will be used primarily as standalone computers for email and internet surfing. For that I like Linux Mint with the Mate desktop - it is quite "windows-like" and can be easily used by users who are transitioning from Windows.
>>>
>>> I have 8 computers plus a file server on my network that talk to each other, all running Win 7, but 2 of them dual boot to Linux Mint for those occasional excursions for things that do not work on Windows - but those are not mainstream items, they are "sideshows". The workbench computer and the ham shack computer are the only 2 with that dual boot installation.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 3/28/2014 8:59 PM, JohnE wrote:
>>>> Its just the Universe telling you its time to try Linux....
>>>>
>>>> On 03/28/2014 05:27 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
>>>>> If you need upgrades to SP3 for win-XP, you may be too late.
>>>>
>>>
>>
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Frank Precissi

Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

I'll chime in here.

Linux geek for a greater part of 20 years. Ran the server backend for an
ISP for 10 of those (and migrated from Solaris to Linux due to cost
concerns, blah blah blah).

Home network is all linux servers, my desktop (which im at now) is linux,
wife's stuff is all Mac.

All of my ham shack PC's run windows. Although the support for linux in
the "consumer" realm (ie: fldigi, not protocol stuff like AX.25) has gotten
considerably better, its not as mature as Windows.

So rather than fight with Wine and drivers and portaudio and serial
permissions I just bought a cheap windows machine and was done with it.

So I applaud the people who want to run linux for their shack.

Frank
KG6EYC

On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Phil Hystad <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Further on this question...
>
> Has anyone tried out the Linux version of the Elecraft utilities on
> Raspberry Pi? Oh, maybe I can do that if I steal some time from other
> projects. I have never bothered to even look at these Linux version
> utilities to see what dependencies they might have.
>
> My only use of computers in the ham shack is for running the Elecraft
> utilities which I do on my iMac desktop (currently writing on my Macbook
> Pro laptop). A full Apple Mac house here. I did have Windows running on
> an old laptop which I kept for running Eznec only but I have switched over
> from Eznec to NEC4 totally and I am working on doing the graphic work in
> Mathematica -- both of these are on my Mac computers. I still have that
> old windows laptop but now it is an old Linux laptop that is collecting the
> same amount of dust as it did with windows loaded on it (I like Linux but
> there is nothing I can do on Linux I can't do on my Macs).
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
> On Mar 29, 2014, at 7:24 AM, Anthony Marriott <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I am very much the same way - I have an iMac and Macbook Air but
> recently built a dual boot Win7/Linux box. Originally I went for Win7
> since I had had enough of running some Ham aps under VMWare on the mac.
> Now I find myself mostly in Linux mode for Ham use - I use Elementary OS
> as my Linux "distro" of choice because I can configure it more to look like
> OSX. Linux has a lot of Ham support, more than OSX probably, and I can
> configure fldigi without issue to operate digital. I still have not given
> up the mac since I am also a photographer, and Photoshop is not available
> under Linux, so the iMac is still my workhorse photo machine.
> >
> > For an old machine, I'd most certainly try Linux - try eOS, or other
> Ubuntu distro like Mint.
> >
> > Paul
> > AF5BV
> >
> > On Mar 28, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm with Don on this one. I use two Macs, with OS X 10.9.x, for most of
> my work -- but both have Windows 7 installed in dual boot configuration,
> because Windows has better support for some needs -- like ham radio and
> managing my GPS map loads to name two. My workhorse ripping and burning
> machine is a 5-year old Dell running Win 7 (was XP) because I can use very
> fast optical drives with it and I prefer the software on that platform.
> And my ham shack machine is a $280, 10.1" HP running Win 8.1; it does all
> the Elecraft support quite well, as well as digital modes.
> >>
> >> But I do have a Raspberry Pi running Linux :-)
> >>
> >> 73, Phil w7ox
> >>
> >> On 3/28/14, 7:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> >>> I have tried Linux. It is just fine for those who have computers that
> are not networked to each other and do not need access to files on other
> computers on a network. Yes, for Linux geeks, it can be made to work, but
> discovering just the right 'tweeks' for Samba can be frustrating.
> >>>
> >>> If all one wants is a computer to do email and surfing the internet,
> Linux is an extremely good no cost solution, but if integration into a
> Windows Network is part of your operation, I suggest that you upgrade to
> Win 7 or Win 8, there are just too many hurdles to leap in that situation
> with Linux. Besides, most ham applications are Windows based, and several
> do not run well under Wine. Getting COM port assignments when using Wine
> has been an exercise in frustration for me, most recently with USB
> adapters. Maybe I am just not "geek enough", but it was frustrating and
> not successful.
> >>>
> >>> Linux may be good (and getting better), but it is not the cure for all
> ills. As I indicated, it is a good, no cost solution for old Win XP
> computers that will be used primarily as standalone computers for email and
> internet surfing. For that I like Linux Mint with the Mate desktop - it is
> quite "windows-like" and can be easily used by users who are transitioning
> from Windows.
> >>>
> >>> I have 8 computers plus a file server on my network that talk to each
> other, all running Win 7, but 2 of them dual boot to Linux Mint for those
> occasional excursions for things that do not work on Windows - but those
> are not mainstream items, they are "sideshows". The workbench computer and
> the ham shack computer are the only 2 with that dual boot installation.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>> Don W3FPR
> >>>
> >>> On 3/28/2014 8:59 PM, JohnE wrote:
> >>>> Its just the Universe telling you its time to try Linux....
> >>>>
> >>>> On 03/28/2014 05:27 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> >>>>> If you need upgrades to SP3 for win-XP, you may be too late.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
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Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

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My problem with the RPi is that it has so many
pieces: Keyboard, RPi, Monitor (and converter to
let me use SVGA monitor with it), etc.. So it's
too spread out to use at my operating position
*and* do ham radio.

My $280 HP Win 8.1 machine is small, usable but a
bit slow (1 GHz CPU, 2 GB RAM) but has a 320 GB
HDD. I'm thinking of installing a Linux version on
that (making it dual boot). Suggestions of which
to install will be appreciated. First I need to
figure out how to make it dual-boot: It didn't
come with a Bootcamp, though for all I know Win
8.1 has one in there somewhere!

73, Phil w7ox

On 3/29/14, 7:47 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:

> Further on this question...
>
> Has anyone tried out the Linux version of the Elecraft utilities on Raspberry Pi? Oh, maybe I can do that if I steal some time from other projects. I have never bothered to even look at these Linux version utilities to see what dependencies they might have.
>
> My only use of computers in the ham shack is for running the Elecraft utilities which I do on my iMac desktop (currently writing on my Macbook Pro laptop). A full Apple Mac house here. I did have Windows running on an old laptop which I kept for running Eznec only but I have switched over from Eznec to NEC4 totally and I am working on doing the graphic work in Mathematica -- both of these are on my Mac computers. I still have that old windows laptop but now it is an old Linux laptop that is collecting the same amount of dust as it did with windows loaded on it (I like Linux but there is nothing I can do on Linux I can't do on my Macs).
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
> On Mar 29, 2014, at 7:24 AM, Anthony Marriott <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I am very much the same way - I have an iMac and Macbook Air but recently built a dual boot Win7/Linux box. Originally I went for Win7 since I had had enough of running some Ham aps under VMWare on the mac. Now I find myself mostly in Linux mode for Ham use - I use Elementary OS as my Linux “distro” of choice because I can configure it more to look like OSX. Linux has a lot of Ham support, more than OSX probably, and I can configure fldigi without issue to operate digital. I still have not given up the mac since I am also a photographer, and Photoshop is not available under Linux, so the iMac is still my workhorse photo machine.
>>
>> For an old machine, I’d most certainly try Linux - try eOS, or other Ubuntu distro like Mint.
>>
>> Paul
>> AF5BV
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm with Don on this one. I use two Macs, with OS X 10.9.x, for most of my work -- but both have Windows 7 installed in dual boot configuration, because Windows has better support for some needs -- like ham radio and managing my GPS map loads to name two. My workhorse ripping and burning machine is a 5-year old Dell running Win 7 (was XP) because I can use very fast optical drives with it and I prefer the software on that platform. And my ham shack machine is a $280, 10.1" HP running Win 8.1; it does all the Elecraft support quite well, as well as digital modes.
>>>
>>> But I do have a Raspberry Pi running Linux :-)
>>>
>>> 73, Phil w7ox
>>>
>>> On 3/28/14, 7:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>>> I have tried Linux. It is just fine for those who have computers that are not networked to each other and do not need access to files on other computers on a network. Yes, for Linux geeks, it can be made to work, but discovering just the right 'tweeks' for Samba can be frustrating.
>>>>
>>>> If all one wants is a computer to do email and surfing the internet, Linux is an extremely good no cost solution, but if integration into a Windows Network is part of your operation, I suggest that you upgrade to Win 7 or Win 8, there are just too many hurdles to leap in that situation with Linux. Besides, most ham applications are Windows based, and several do not run well under Wine. Getting COM port assignments when using Wine has been an exercise in frustration for me, most recently with USB adapters. Maybe I am just not "geek enough", but it was frustrating and not successful.
>>>>
>>>> Linux may be good (and getting better), but it is not the cure for all ills. As I indicated, it is a good, no cost solution for old Win XP computers that will be used primarily as standalone computers for email and internet surfing. For that I like Linux Mint with the Mate desktop - it is quite "windows-like" and can be easily used by users who are transitioning from Windows.
>>>>
>>>> I have 8 computers plus a file server on my network that talk to each other, all running Win 7, but 2 of them dual boot to Linux Mint for those occasional excursions for things that do not work on Windows - but those are not mainstream items, they are "sideshows". The workbench computer and the ham shack computer are the only 2 with that dual boot installation.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Don W3FPR
>

Bill Turner

Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

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On 3/29/2014 8:31 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> Suggestions of which to install will be appreciated.

REPLY:

I really like the look and feel of Linux Mint, although I have not used
if for any ham programs yet. Ubuntu is OK but personally I think the
colors are awful.

73, Bill W6WRT

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Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

How about Fedora?

Phil - Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 29, 2014, at 8:38, Bill Turner <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> ORIGINAL MESSAGE: (may be snipped)
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>> On 3/29/2014 8:31 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> Suggestions of which to install will be appreciated.
>
> REPLY:
>
> I really like the look and feel of Linux Mint, although I have not used if for any ham programs yet. Ubuntu is OK but personally I think the colors are awful.
>
> 73, Bill W6WRT
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Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

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Which Linux?

I have Ubuntu on my laptop but when it comes to the question of which Linux it is usually a question of which desktop U/I is your favorite. As for me, I don't like any of the Linux desktops and I primarily use Linux using a terminal window and vi as the editor. Major development work I still do on my Mac and merely move it to the Linux system if that is where it is to be executed. None of my stuff uses a graphic U/I on Linux. It is all under the covers system oriented stuff and primarily for play, not real stuff, or now-and-then, doing work related to my former company and its software that runs on Linux.

Besides, I am liking RPi a lot more and I know what you mean by real estate. Merely having the monitor on the desk top is a hassle so I don't do that. Instead I network into the RPi and use SSH and this gets rid of the keyboard, the mouse, and the display since I am doing this from the iMac or my Macbook Pro. The RPi is running all the time (or, most of the time) with a short little CAT5 cable into my WiFi router Ethernet port (so it is on the same subnet as wireless in the house).

I almost never use the desktop U/I with RPi but some day when I get around to it I am thinking of experimenting with client X-Window U/I running on my Mac and served from RPi (of course, the X-Window system reverses the common notion of client/server).

Performance on RPi -- well, I bet your HP Win8.1 is a speed demon in comparison to RPi but RPi is not bad if you are NOT running the X Window system and the desktop.

73, phil, K7PEH

On Mar 29, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> My problem with the RPi is that it has so many pieces: Keyboard, RPi, Monitor (and converter to let me use SVGA monitor with it), etc.. So it's too spread out to use at my operating position *and* do ham radio.
>
> My $280 HP Win 8.1 machine is small, usable but a bit slow (1 GHz CPU, 2 GB RAM) but has a 320 GB HDD. I'm thinking of installing a Linux version on that (making it dual boot). Suggestions of which to install will be appreciated. First I need to figure out how to make it dual-boot: It didn't come with a Bootcamp, though for all I know Win 8.1 has one in there somewhere!
>
> 73, Phil w7ox
>
> On 3/29/14, 7:47 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> Further on this question...
>>
>> Has anyone tried out the Linux version of the Elecraft utilities on Raspberry Pi? Oh, maybe I can do that if I steal some time from other projects. I have never bothered to even look at these Linux version utilities to see what dependencies they might have.
>>
>> My only use of computers in the ham shack is for running the Elecraft utilities which I do on my iMac desktop (currently writing on my Macbook Pro laptop). A full Apple Mac house here. I did have Windows running on an old laptop which I kept for running Eznec only but I have switched over from Eznec to NEC4 totally and I am working on doing the graphic work in Mathematica -- both of these are on my Mac computers. I still have that old windows laptop but now it is an old Linux laptop that is collecting the same amount of dust as it did with windows loaded on it (I like Linux but there is nothing I can do on Linux I can't do on my Macs).
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2014, at 7:24 AM, Anthony Marriott <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I am very much the same way - I have an iMac and Macbook Air but recently built a dual boot Win7/Linux box. Originally I went for Win7 since I had had enough of running some Ham aps under VMWare on the mac. Now I find myself mostly in Linux mode for Ham use - I use Elementary OS as my Linux “distro” of choice because I can configure it more to look like OSX. Linux has a lot of Ham support, more than OSX probably, and I can configure fldigi without issue to operate digital. I still have not given up the mac since I am also a photographer, and Photoshop is not available under Linux, so the iMac is still my workhorse photo machine.
>>>
>>> For an old machine, I’d most certainly try Linux - try eOS, or other Ubuntu distro like Mint.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> AF5BV
>>>
>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm with Don on this one. I use two Macs, with OS X 10.9.x, for most of my work -- but both have Windows 7 installed in dual boot configuration, because Windows has better support for some needs -- like ham radio and managing my GPS map loads to name two. My workhorse ripping and burning machine is a 5-year old Dell running Win 7 (was XP) because I can use very fast optical drives with it and I prefer the software on that platform. And my ham shack machine is a $280, 10.1" HP running Win 8.1; it does all the Elecraft support quite well, as well as digital modes.
>>>>
>>>> But I do have a Raspberry Pi running Linux :-)
>>>>
>>>> 73, Phil w7ox
>>>>
>>>> On 3/28/14, 7:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>>>> I have tried Linux. It is just fine for those who have computers that are not networked to each other and do not need access to files on other computers on a network. Yes, for Linux geeks, it can be made to work, but discovering just the right 'tweeks' for Samba can be frustrating.
>>>>>
>>>>> If all one wants is a computer to do email and surfing the internet, Linux is an extremely good no cost solution, but if integration into a Windows Network is part of your operation, I suggest that you upgrade to Win 7 or Win 8, there are just too many hurdles to leap in that situation with Linux. Besides, most ham applications are Windows based, and several do not run well under Wine. Getting COM port assignments when using Wine has been an exercise in frustration for me, most recently with USB adapters. Maybe I am just not "geek enough", but it was frustrating and not successful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux may be good (and getting better), but it is not the cure for all ills. As I indicated, it is a good, no cost solution for old Win XP computers that will be used primarily as standalone computers for email and internet surfing. For that I like Linux Mint with the Mate desktop - it is quite "windows-like" and can be easily used by users who are transitioning from Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have 8 computers plus a file server on my network that talk to each other, all running Win 7, but 2 of them dual boot to Linux Mint for those occasional excursions for things that do not work on Windows - but those are not mainstream items, they are "sideshows". The workbench computer and the ham shack computer are the only 2 with that dual boot installation.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>
>

Nate Bargmann

Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

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* On 2014 29 Mar 09:49 -0500, Phil Hystad wrote:
> Further on this question...
>
> Has anyone tried out the Linux version of the Elecraft utilities on
> Raspberry Pi? Oh, maybe I can do that if I steal some time from other
> projects. I have never bothered to even look at these Linux version
> utilities to see what dependencies they might have.

As I understand it, the fundamental problem with the Elecraft utilities
will be the CPU architecture difference. The current utilities are
compiled for the i386 and later Intel CPUs while the RPi is an ARM CPU
with a thoroughly different instruction set. Often times a simple
recompilation of the source code is all that is necessary, but that will
be up to Elecraft's software maintainers to do so.

In short, the archive currently available from the Elecraft Web site in
all likelihood will not run on the Pi.

73, de Nate >>

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Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

Nate,

You are right, the RPi is ARM based -- I completely overlooked that most important part of the problem. I wonder if Elecraft would release the source to their Linux utilities.

Actually, a better RPi solution would be to use the RPi as a network gateway and cache server for clients running on Mac/Linux/Windows. If we could develop/design a nice networking protocol to operate between the client utilities and the gateway server then a WiFi enabled RPi would be a nice feature. The next thing would be to develop an outboard multi-port RS232 adapter. Part of a networking protocol would be addressing individual Elecraft rigs.

Yes, something to think through...

PEH

On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Nate Bargmann <[hidden email]> wrote:

> * On 2014 29 Mar 09:49 -0500, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> Further on this question...
>>
>> Has anyone tried out the Linux version of the Elecraft utilities on
>> Raspberry Pi? Oh, maybe I can do that if I steal some time from other
>> projects. I have never bothered to even look at these Linux version
>> utilities to see what dependencies they might have.
>
> As I understand it, the fundamental problem with the Elecraft utilities
> will be the CPU architecture difference. The current utilities are
> compiled for the i386 and later Intel CPUs while the RPi is an ARM CPU
> with a thoroughly different instruction set. Often times a simple
> recompilation of the source code is all that is necessary, but that will
> be up to Elecraft's software maintainers to do so.
>
> In short, the archive currently available from the Elecraft Web site in
> all likelihood will not run on the Pi.
>
> 73, de Nate >>
>
> --
>
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> possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."
>
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

I like your access RPi on network approach. Hadn't thought about the CPU issue. Challenge is fining something useful (to me) to do with the Raspberry Pi :-)

Phil - Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:29, Phil Hystad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Nate,
>
> You are right, the RPi is ARM based -- I completely overlooked that most important part of the problem. I wonder if Elecraft would release the source to their Linux utilities.
>
> Actually, a better RPi solution would be to use the RPi as a network gateway and cache server for clients running on Mac/Linux/Windows. If we could develop/design a nice networking protocol to operate between the client utilities and the gateway server then a WiFi enabled RPi would be a nice feature. The next thing would be to develop an outboard multi-port RS232 adapter. Part of a networking protocol would be addressing individual Elecraft rigs.
>
> Yes, something to think through...
>
> PEH
>
>
>> On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Nate Bargmann <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> * On 2014 29 Mar 09:49 -0500, Phil Hystad wrote:
>>> Further on this question...
>>>
>>> Has anyone tried out the Linux version of the Elecraft utilities on
>>> Raspberry Pi? Oh, maybe I can do that if I steal some time from other
>>> projects. I have never bothered to even look at these Linux version
>>> utilities to see what dependencies they might have.
>>
>> As I understand it, the fundamental problem with the Elecraft utilities
>> will be the CPU architecture difference. The current utilities are
>> compiled for the i386 and later Intel CPUs while the RPi is an ARM CPU
>> with a thoroughly different instruction set. Often times a simple
>> recompilation of the source code is all that is necessary, but that will
>> be up to Elecraft's software maintainers to do so.
>>
>> In short, the archive currently available from the Elecraft Web site in
>> all likelihood will not run on the Pi.
>>
>> 73, de Nate >>
>>
>> --
>>
>> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
>> possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."
>>
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Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

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I understand that someone like Don Wilhelm who has a fairly elaborate local network would want to stick with Windows. He'll have already done all the working out of kinks and climbing the learning curve and won't want to do that again!

However, for people with less elaborate setups or those willing to change systems, let me point out a few benefits of the Mac OSX:

(1) OSX is really just BSD Unix with a fancy GUI on top. All of the familiar (to Unix and Linux folks) utilities are there.

(2) There is a set of add-ons to OSX called MacPorts. Pretty much anything in Linux is also in Macports. For example, python, LaTeX, opera (a free MatLab clone), etc. And all of it is free, as in no extra charge at all.

(3) There is an excellent emulation program called Virtual Box. It is developed by Oracle and is free and mostly open source. It lets me run Windows 7, Windows XP, and Ubuntu Linux on my iMac and on my Macbook Air with no gotchas. It just works. So if there is something I need Linux or Windows for, I just fire up Virtual Box.

(4) The old (but sometimes necessary) X-Windows system is also a free add-on for OSX. I use it to run inkscape, a dynamite vector graphics program for art and graphs and figures, etc. (BTW, inkscape is also free and is available in Macports.)

(5) In addition, you get OSX itself, the most sophisticated and polished GUI out there. The bad side is that OSX and all these goodies run only on expensive Apple hardware. It'e expensive, but in my experience worth it. The equipment is beautiful and very good quality. You get what you pay for.

(6) I can run fldigi in OSX. Works fine. Also the CocoaModem and CocoaNEC programs by Kok Chen work very well. Etc.

So, my 200 cents worth.

Oliver
W6ODJ

On 29 Jan. 2014, at 07:24 AM, Anthony Marriott <[hidden email]> wrote:

Phil Hystad-3

Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

In reply to this post by Phil Wheeler-2

> Challenge is fining something useful (to me) to do with the Raspberry Pi :-)

Mathematica is on the standard RPi Raspbian distro. Start playing with Mathematica.

Mathematica is my favorite application and I use it more than any other app on the computer. Almost all of my programming (as measured by time spent) is done in Mathematica. I am currently migrating the Chess playing program I wrote about 40 years ago (written for CDC 6600 computer in Compass and Fortran). This is just background activity and may take me a while (haven't worked on it in a couple of weeks in fact). I also wrote a Sudoku puzzle solver in Mathematica and that is only about 100 lines long -- clearly the shortest version I have ever written (I wrote versions in Java and Objective-C). Mathematica is very powerful.

We used Mathematica in our business (I am now retired) and I purchased two copies for home computers. Professional (commercial) license Mathematica is about $2400 per seat but you can get a full functional Home Edition for $299 (I have a copy on my MBPro and one on my iMac). And, of course, the Mathematica version on RPi is FREE.

Mathematica programming is list-oriented, functional, and has very powerful pattern matching features. You can also write procedural programs. My entire Sudoku solver is purely in functional features of Mathematica with pattern matching (i.e. no loops, no conditional whiles, etc.).

If you need motivation for Mathematica, consider visiting the Wolfram Language web site. Mathematica is an implementation of Wolfram Language although it is growing rapidly in features now that the large database features (Wolfram Alpha) are coming available. I don't think the Wolfram Alpha link is in the RPi version of Mathematica although I don't know for sure.

Wolfram Language: https://www.wolfram.com/language/

Watch the video on the web site "Stephen Wolfram's Introduction"

PEH

On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I like your access RPi on network approach. Hadn't thought about the CPU issue. Challenge is fining something useful (to me) to do with the Raspberry Pi :-)
>
> Phil - Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:29, Phil Hystad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Nate,
>>
>> You are right, the RPi is ARM based -- I completely overlooked that most important part of the problem. I wonder if Elecraft would release the source to their Linux utilities.
>>
>> Actually, a better RPi solution would be to use the RPi as a network gateway and cache server for clients running on Mac/Linux/Windows. If we could develop/design a nice networking protocol to operate between the client utilities and the gateway server then a WiFi enabled RPi would be a nice feature. The next thing would be to develop an outboard multi-port RS232 adapter. Part of a networking protocol would be addressing individual Elecraft rigs.
>>
>> Yes, something to think through...
>>
>> PEH
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Nate Bargmann <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> * On 2014 29 Mar 09:49 -0500, Phil Hystad wrote:
>>>> Further on this question...
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone tried out the Linux version of the Elecraft utilities on
>>>> Raspberry Pi? Oh, maybe I can do that if I steal some time from other
>>>> projects. I have never bothered to even look at these Linux version
>>>> utilities to see what dependencies they might have.
>>>
>>> As I understand it, the fundamental problem with the Elecraft utilities
>>> will be the CPU architecture difference. The current utilities are
>>> compiled for the i386 and later Intel CPUs while the RPi is an ARM CPU
>>> with a thoroughly different instruction set. Often times a simple
>>> recompilation of the source code is all that is necessary, but that will
>>> be up to Elecraft's software maintainers to do so.
>>>
>>> In short, the archive currently available from the Elecraft Web site in
>>> all likelihood will not run on the Pi.
>>>
>>> 73, de Nate >>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
>>> possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."
>>>
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Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

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Ditto!

On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Oliver Johns <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I understand that someone like Don Wilhelm who has a fairly elaborate local network would want to stick with Windows. He'll have already done all the working out of kinks and climbing the learning curve and won't want to do that again!
>
> However, for people with less elaborate setups or those willing to change systems, let me point out a few benefits of the Mac OSX:
>
> (1) OSX is really just BSD Unix with a fancy GUI on top. All of the familiar (to Unix and Linux folks) utilities are there.
>
> (2) There is a set of add-ons to OSX called MacPorts. Pretty much anything in Linux is also in Macports. For example, python, LaTeX, opera (a free MatLab clone), etc. And all of it is free, as in no extra charge at all.
>
> (3) There is an excellent emulation program called Virtual Box. It is developed by Oracle and is free and mostly open source. It lets me run Windows 7, Windows XP, and Ubuntu Linux on my iMac and on my Macbook Air with no gotchas. It just works. So if there is something I need Linux or Windows for, I just fire up Virtual Box.
>
> (4) The old (but sometimes necessary) X-Windows system is also a free add-on for OSX. I use it to run inkscape, a dynamite vector graphics program for art and graphs and figures, etc. (BTW, inkscape is also free and is available in Macports.)
>
> (5) In addition, you get OSX itself, the most sophisticated and polished GUI out there. The bad side is that OSX and all these goodies run only on expensive Apple hardware. It'e expensive, but in my experience worth it. The equipment is beautiful and very good quality. You get what you pay for.
>
> (6) I can run fldigi in OSX. Works fine. Also the CocoaModem and CocoaNEC programs by Kok Chen work very well. Etc.
>
> So, my 200 cents worth.
>
> Oliver
> W6ODJ
>
>
> On 29 Jan. 2014, at 07:24 AM, Anthony Marriott <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I am very much the same way - I have an iMac and Macbook Air but recently built a dual boot Win7/Linux box. Originally I went for Win7 since I had had enough of running some Ham aps under VMWare on the mac. Now I find myself mostly in Linux mode for Ham use - I use Elementary OS as my Linux “distro” of choice because I can configure it more to look like OSX. Linux has a lot of Ham support, more than OSX probably, and I can configure fldigi without issue to operate digital. I still have not given up the mac since I am also a photographer, and Photoshop is not available under Linux, so the iMac is still my workhorse photo machine.
>>
>> For an old machine, I’d most certainly try Linux - try eOS, or other Ubuntu distro like Mint.
>>
>> Paul
>> AF5BV
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm with Don on this one. I use two Macs, with OS X 10.9.x, for most of my work -- but both have Windows 7 installed in dual boot configuration, because Windows has better support for some needs -- like ham radio and managing my GPS map loads to name two. My workhorse ripping and burning machine is a 5-year old Dell running Win 7 (was XP) because I can use very fast optical drives with it and I prefer the software on that platform. And my ham shack machine is a $280, 10.1" HP running Win 8.1; it does all the Elecraft support quite well, as well as digital modes.
>>>
>>> But I do have a Raspberry Pi running Linux :-)
>>>
>>> 73, Phil w7ox
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Edward R Cole

Re: WinXP - SP3 ... too late!

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Essentially, what we did, so manual upgrade is still possible. But
this experience has me wondering if they will continue to have this
available after support is pulled? I am going to attempt to download
the files to a flashdrive so I will not be relying on MS.com in the
future. I plan to keep my 2.33 GHz P4 duo-core desktop for running
my station as my special accessories for eme do not have drivers for win7/8.

At some future date I will likely pull internet connection and run
this computer off-line. For my eme sw to operate, I will have to
install a GPS accurate-time standard to control computer
time. Currently this comes on-line with D4.

I suspect the two XP computers I just rebuilt will get sold as they
are surplus in our home. My wife just bought a 17-inch DELL Inspiron
i7 laptop with win7 installed, so doubtful she will continue using
the old desktop. Guessing the hamfest will get a couple cheap
computer deals! I also have a P90-win95 IBM Thinkpad that I am
holding onto for legacy sw running (Packet & CW keyboard) and have a
PacBel P100 win-95 desktop which may also get sold at the
hamfest. Looks like spring cleaning has started :-)

In my case, I have a 2009 Dell laptop with win8.0pro installed in
January. I previously had Vista. I can imagine it will slowly
become my connected computer. I have the two side-by-side for
running multiple windows when doing eme. I have a KSM switch to
share keyboard and mouse between them.

Thanks to all who wrote with solutions!
Ed - KL7UW
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It?s not too late...
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I just finished rebuilding an XP machine from scratch (reformatted
hard drive) and also had only an XP SP2 CD. IE 6.0 (as contained on
the CD) would not update to IE 8, nor would the service patches apply
because ?Windows Update? is no longer supported. ?Microsoft Update?
is the new method, but could not get it to install either. Finally
found all the updates on Microsoft?s website, but it?s a manual
effort. Going from XP SP2, first update to SP3 via a download of SP3.
That gets you IE 8, but in order to update to ?Microsoft Update?
there is a security patch that has to be applied first. Once that is
applied, then there are 132 updates that come automatically after you
enable ?automatic updates?.

Worked for me. My old Dell P4 is running an updated XP just fine.

73, Charles, K4ZRJ

73, Ed - KL7UW
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