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Edward A. Dauer

Windows Emulator

I give up.

I have tried to be faithful to my decision of a few years ago, to swear off Windows and work exclusively with Mac OS. But there’s just too much that I want that isn’t available in OS – Spectrogram, for example, and any number of logging programs I’d like to try.

It’s not time yet for a new computer, and I want to keep all of my Mac apps and files intact; so the question is what sort of Windows emulator would be best to install in the Mac computers. I use a 4-year old MacBook Air as a laptop and an even older iMac on my desk. Both now run OS X Yosemite and I will not upgrade to Sierra, in case that matters.

Advice? Thanks in advance,

Ted, KN1CBR

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Re: Windows Emulator

Hi Ted,

I wouldn't bother with an 'emulator' as such, instead what I'd do is go and grab some virtualisation software (personally I use Oracle's Virtualbox), and install a full copy of Windows inside that. You can then install whatever apps you like (as long as they aren't too graphics-hungry), and give that machine 'direct access' to whatever hardware devices you need to - serial ports, USB ports etc.

I'm not, as it happens, aware of any 'emulators' that let you run individual apps as if they were running in Windows, but a VM is cleaner (and you'll not have issues with drivers because every device becomes a generic device once the VM hypervisor starts passing it through).

73, and a firm left handshake,
John (XLX)

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward
Sent: 12 October 2016 17:21
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Emulator

I give up.

I have tried to be faithful to my decision of a few years ago, to swear off Windows and work exclusively with Mac OS. But there’s just too much that I want that isn’t available in OS – Spectrogram, for example, and any number of logging programs I’d like to try.

It’s not time yet for a new computer, and I want to keep all of my Mac apps and files intact; so the question is what sort of Windows emulator would be best to install in the Mac computers. I use a 4-year old MacBook Air as a laptop and an even older iMac on my desk. Both now run OS X Yosemite and I will not upgrade to Sierra, in case that matters.

Advice? Thanks in advance,

Ted, KN1CBR

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KQ5S

Re: Windows Emulator

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Hi Ted,
I tried to make the same move with the Mac but ended up going back to a
dedicated Windows machine. I use Parallels as the virtual machine. It
works fine. It allows you to run each Window's program in a separate
window on the Mac screen or you can run all Windows programs under one
window. If you are just running one Window's program it works fine but
once you start multi-tasking it can be a problem particularly if the
programs are graphic intensive or memory hungry. I often found the
computer slowed up too much and gave up on the idea hence the stand alone
computer.

73,
Tom
KQ5S

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Dauer, Edward <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I give up.
>
> I have tried to be faithful to my decision of a few years ago, to swear
> off Windows and work exclusively with Mac OS. But there’s just too much
> that I want that isn’t available in OS – Spectrogram, for example, and any
> number of logging programs I’d like to try.
>
> It’s not time yet for a new computer, and I want to keep all of my Mac
> apps and files intact; so the question is what sort of Windows emulator
> would be best to install in the Mac computers. I use a 4-year old MacBook
> Air as a laptop and an even older iMac on my desk. Both now run OS X
> Yosemite and I will not upgrade to Sierra, in case that matters.
>
> Advice? Thanks in advance,
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
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Richard Fjeld-2

Re: Windows Emulator

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Just a suggestion;

I don't know what all this would cost you, but $350 can buy a very
decent Windows laptop. I bought a Lenovo with an i5 cpu and 8 Gb of ram
plus an optical drive and more, from the Microsoft store for that
amount. You have to watch for good offers.

Dick, n0ce

On 10/12/2016 11:20 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:

> I give up.
>
> I have tried to be faithful to my decision of a few years ago, to swear off Windows and work exclusively with Mac OS. But there’s just too much that I want that isn’t available in OS – Spectrogram, for example, and any number of logging programs I’d like to try.
>
> It’s not time yet for a new computer, and I want to keep all of my Mac apps and files intact; so the question is what sort of Windows emulator would be best to install in the Mac computers. I use a 4-year old MacBook Air as a laptop and an even older iMac on my desk. Both now run OS X Yosemite and I will not upgrade to Sierra, in case that matters.
>
> Advice? Thanks in advance,
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
> ______________________________________________________________

James Bennett

Re: Windows Emulator

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Ted, John, et al -

Don’t give up! As John said, there are several options. I’ve never used the Oracle product, but for quite a few years I’ve been running the VMWare product called Fusion. Currently running on a 27” late 2012 iMac with 8GB RAM. I have several Ubuntu Linux guests in addition to a Windows 10 guest that run on this setup. I’ve got quite a few Windows-only applications that I use the Win10 guest for. In all these years I’ve never come across an application that would not run as a guest under Fusion. I’ve got the applications on the ARRL Handbook and Antenna book, EZnec, and the software that controls my AIM-4170 antenna analyzer, in addition to other applications - all work fine.

My logging is done on the Mac OS side - I use MacLoggerDX. Several months back I built a couple little SDR rigs and drove them with software running on both Windows and Linux. I used a logging program called CQRlog for logging those QSO’s. It was a simple matter to export the ADIF records from CQRlog and put them into MLDX when I was done operating the SDR.

Give Fusion a shot - works great!

73, Jim / W6JHB
Folsom, CA

> On Wednesday, Oct 12, 2016, at Wednesday, 9:30 AM, John <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Ted,
>
> I wouldn't bother with an 'emulator' as such, instead what I'd do is go and grab some virtualisation software (personally I use Oracle's Virtualbox), and install a full copy of Windows inside that. You can then install whatever apps you like (as long as they aren't too graphics-hungry), and give that machine 'direct access' to whatever hardware devices you need to - serial ports, USB ports etc.
>
> I'm not, as it happens, aware of any 'emulators' that let you run individual apps as if they were running in Windows, but a VM is cleaner (and you'll not have issues with drivers because every device becomes a generic device once the VM hypervisor starts passing it through).
>
> 73, and a firm left handshake,
> John (XLX)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward
> Sent: 12 October 2016 17:21
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Emulator
>
> I give up.
>
> I have tried to be faithful to my decision of a few years ago, to swear off Windows and work exclusively with Mac OS. But there’s just too much that I want that isn’t available in OS – Spectrogram, for example, and any number of logging programs I’d like to try.
>
> It’s not time yet for a new computer, and I want to keep all of my Mac apps and files intact; so the question is what sort of Windows emulator would be best to install in the Mac computers. I use a 4-year old MacBook Air as a laptop and an even older iMac on my desk. Both now run OS X Yosemite and I will not upgrade to Sierra, in case that matters.
>
> Advice? Thanks in advance,
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
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Re: Windows Emulator

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I second that. Lifelong Mac user. I have a cheap Windows laptop I only use for ham and games. I nuked the drive, installed a fresh, legal copy of Windows 10 and don’t use that computer to surf or watch videos or music. I don't download ANYTHING other than ham stuff, OS updates, and games from Steam or Blizzard, and simply haven’t entered my credit card information on anything on that PC. I purchase on the web on my Mac where I have control over my credentials and security. I also restrict my Windows PC to only my Gmail account. I’m not going to let my hobby computer be the vector of identity theft or ransomware.

Michael, K2MAW

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Just a suggestion;
>
> I don't know what all this would cost you, but $350 can buy a very
> decent Windows laptop. I bought a Lenovo with an i5 cpu and 8 Gb of ram
> plus an optical drive and more, from the Microsoft store for that
> amount. You have to watch for good offers.
>
> Dick, n0ce
>
>
> On 10/12/2016 11:20 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>> I give up.
>>
>> I have tried to be faithful to my decision of a few years ago, to swear off Windows and work exclusively with Mac OS. But there’s just too much that I want that isn’t available in OS – Spectrogram, for example, and any number of logging programs I’d like to try.
>>
>> It’s not time yet for a new computer, and I want to keep all of my Mac apps and files intact; so the question is what sort of Windows emulator would be best to install in the Mac computers. I use a 4-year old MacBook Air as a laptop and an even older iMac on my desk. Both now run OS X Yosemite and I will not upgrade to Sierra, in case that matters.
>>
>> Advice? Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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John-6

Re: Windows Emulator

Michael,

I'd be very wary of your last statement there. Your Mac is no more secure than a Windows computer (and in fact Apple collect a lot of data and hide the fact that they're collecting it, they just manage to hide it better than Microsoft do). Your assertion that you're safe just because you use a Mac is, at best, a false belief.

I, and many other people, use a Windows PC on a daily basis, do all my online shopping on it etc, and I've not been a victim of any of the things you suggested will happen. Sure, I'm a careful user (by which I mean I apply common sense when browsing etc), but I'm at no more risk on my Windows PC than you are on your Mac.

In response to Dick's question about cost, the only cost would be a Windows licence. With Windows 10 being free for a long time, you may still find that your VM can install, and be activated with, that for free. YMMV. Virtualbox is completely free to individual users (and I suspect other VM hypervisors mentioned in the thread such as Parallels and VMware Fusion are the same).

73, and a firm left handshake,
John (XLX)

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Michael Wong
Sent: 12 October 2016 17:56
To: Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows Emulator

I second that. Lifelong Mac user. I have a cheap Windows laptop I only use for ham and games. I nuked the drive, installed a fresh, legal copy of Windows 10 and don’t use that computer to surf or watch videos or music. I don't download ANYTHING other than ham stuff, OS updates, and games from Steam or Blizzard, and simply haven’t entered my credit card information on anything on that PC. I purchase on the web on my Mac where I have control over my credentials and security. I also restrict my Windows PC to only my Gmail account. I’m not going to let my hobby computer be the vector of identity theft or ransomware.

Michael, K2MAW

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Just a suggestion;
>
> I don't know what all this would cost you, but $350 can buy a very
> decent Windows laptop. I bought a Lenovo with an i5 cpu and 8 Gb of
> ram plus an optical drive and more, from the Microsoft store for that
> amount. You have to watch for good offers.
>
> Dick, n0ce
>
>
> On 10/12/2016 11:20 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>> I give up.
>>
>> I have tried to be faithful to my decision of a few years ago, to swear off Windows and work exclusively with Mac OS. But there’s just too much that I want that isn’t available in OS – Spectrogram, for example, and any number of logging programs I’d like to try.
>>
>> It’s not time yet for a new computer, and I want to keep all of my Mac apps and files intact; so the question is what sort of Windows emulator would be best to install in the Mac computers. I use a 4-year old MacBook Air as a laptop and an even older iMac on my desk. Both now run OS X Yosemite and I will not upgrade to Sierra, in case that matters.
>>
>> Advice? Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>
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Fred Moore-2

Re: Windows Emulator

I would not hesitate to go the Fusion or Parallels route.. While
parallels allows you to run each individual program inside a mac window,
fusion does not.. it runs on a separate desktop. however Fusion has many
fewer paid upgrades than parallels. I currently run parallels, it works
very well, but have not upgraded for the last 3 OS upgrades.. because I
run windows7 for my ham programs..

I tested some VM that wasn't cusomized for the OSX and performance was
horrible, slow and cranky..

Regards.. Fred

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Re: Windows Emulator

What VMs did you 'test' that had bad performance?

72 - john - n0hj

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Fred Moore <[hidden email]> wrote:

> ....
> I tested some VM that wasn't cusomized for the OSX and performance was
> horrible, slow and cranky..
>
> Regards.. Fred
>
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Re: Windows Emulator

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At the risk of starting a religious thread, I never said Macs were more secure than PCs. On my Mac, I simply have more control of my security and credentials than on a Windows computer from 20 years of deep Mac experience. On Windows, I simply don’t have the deep knowledge of how to restrict my usage to protect myself. Whatever the platform, careful computing habits are the best defense from malware.

Also, Microsoft is close to ending free Windows 10 updates (or may have already ended that program.) VMs are a good compromise and others have commented on those virtues.

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:02 AM, John <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> I'd be very wary of your last statement there. Your Mac is no more secure than a Windows computer (and in fact Apple collect a lot of data and hide the fact that they're collecting it, they just manage to hide it better than Microsoft do). Your assertion that you're safe just because you use a Mac is, at best, a false belief.
>
> I, and many other people, use a Windows PC on a daily basis, do all my online shopping on it etc, and I've not been a victim of any of the things you suggested will happen. Sure, I'm a careful user (by which I mean I apply common sense when browsing etc), but I'm at no more risk on my Windows PC than you are on your Mac.
>
> In response to Dick's question about cost, the only cost would be a Windows licence. With Windows 10 being free for a long time, you may still find that your VM can install, and be activated with, that for free. YMMV. Virtualbox is completely free to individual users (and I suspect other VM hypervisors mentioned in the thread such as Parallels and VMware Fusion are the same).
>
> 73, and a firm left handshake,
> John (XLX)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Michael Wong
> Sent: 12 October 2016 17:56
> To: Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows Emulator
>
> I second that. Lifelong Mac user. I have a cheap Windows laptop I only use for ham and games. I nuked the drive, installed a fresh, legal copy of Windows 10 and don’t use that computer to surf or watch videos or music. I don't download ANYTHING other than ham stuff, OS updates, and games from Steam or Blizzard, and simply haven’t entered my credit card information on anything on that PC. I purchase on the web on my Mac where I have control over my credentials and security. I also restrict my Windows PC to only my Gmail account. I’m not going to let my hobby computer be the vector of identity theft or ransomware.
>
> Michael, K2MAW
>
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Just a suggestion;
>>
>> I don't know what all this would cost you, but $350 can buy a very
>> decent Windows laptop. I bought a Lenovo with an i5 cpu and 8 Gb of
>> ram plus an optical drive and more, from the Microsoft store for that
>> amount. You have to watch for good offers.
>>
>> Dick, n0ce
>>
>>
>> On 10/12/2016 11:20 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>>> I give up.
>>>
>>> I have tried to be faithful to my decision of a few years ago, to swear off Windows and work exclusively with Mac OS. But there’s just too much that I want that isn’t available in OS – Spectrogram, for example, and any number of logging programs I’d like to try.
>>>
>>> It’s not time yet for a new computer, and I want to keep all of my Mac apps and files intact; so the question is what sort of Windows emulator would be best to install in the Mac computers. I use a 4-year old MacBook Air as a laptop and an even older iMac on my desk. Both now run OS X Yosemite and I will not upgrade to Sierra, in case that matters.
>>>
>>> Advice? Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>
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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: Windows Emulator

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Virtualization is the way to go.

I've not used VirtualBox, but have friends who have great success.

Virtualization has some big advantages:

You can isolate different things you do to different virtual machines.
Probably the best example of that is to keep your financials away from
general browsing and E-Mail where you might encounter viruses or trojans.

You can always experiment with downloaded software in a VM and destroy
the VM if you think the download did more than you expect.

When you replace a computer, all of the VMs are just a set of files that
can be copied to your new computer.

73 -- Lynn

On 10/12/2016 9:50 AM, James Bennett wrote:

> Ted, John, et al -
>
> Don’t give up! As John said, there are several options. I’ve never used the Oracle product, but for quite a few years I’ve been running the VMWare product called Fusion. Currently running on a 27” late 2012 iMac with 8GB RAM. I have several Ubuntu Linux guests in addition to a Windows 10 guest that run on this setup. I’ve got quite a few Windows-only applications that I use the Win10 guest for. In all these years I’ve never come across an application that would not run as a guest under Fusion. I’ve got the applications on the ARRL Handbook and Antenna book, EZnec, and the software that controls my AIM-4170 antenna analyzer, in addition to other applications - all work fine.
>
> My logging is done on the Mac OS side - I use MacLoggerDX. Several months back I built a couple little SDR rigs and drove them with software running on both Windows and Linux. I used a logging program called CQRlog for logging those QSO’s. It was a simple matter to export the ADIF records from CQRlog and put them into MLDX when I was done operating the SDR.
>
> Give Fusion a shot - works great!
>
> 73, Jim / W6JHB
> Folsom, CA
>
>
>> On Wednesday, Oct 12, 2016, at Wednesday, 9:30 AM, John <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ted,
>>
>> I wouldn't bother with an 'emulator' as such, instead what I'd do is go and grab some virtualisation software (personally I use Oracle's Virtualbox), and install a full copy of Windows inside that. You can then install whatever apps you like (as long as they aren't too graphics-hungry), and give that machine 'direct access' to whatever hardware devices you need to - serial ports, USB ports etc.
>>
>> I'm not, as it happens, aware of any 'emulators' that let you run individual apps as if they were running in Windows, but a VM is cleaner (and you'll not have issues with drivers because every device becomes a generic device once the VM hypervisor starts passing it through).
>>
>> 73, and a firm left handshake,
>> John (XLX)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward
>> Sent: 12 October 2016 17:21
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Emulator
>>
>> I give up.
>>
>> I have tried to be faithful to my decision of a few years ago, to swear off Windows and work exclusively with Mac OS. But there’s just too much that I want that isn’t available in OS – Spectrogram, for example, and any number of logging programs I’d like to try.
>>
>> It’s not time yet for a new computer, and I want to keep all of my Mac apps and files intact; so the question is what sort of Windows emulator would be best to install in the Mac computers. I use a 4-year old MacBook Air as a laptop and an even older iMac on my desk. Both now run OS X Yosemite and I will not upgrade to Sierra, in case that matters.
>>
>> Advice? Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>
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Re: Windows Emulator

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I run Windows 10 under the most recent version of VMWare Fusion on a late 2012 Mac Mini running MacOS 10.12 (Sierra) with 16Gb of RAM. So far it can easily run any Windows ham software I have thrown at it. I can remote into the Mac with VNC and control my Kenwood TS-590S with Kenwood's rig control software running on the VMWare Windows client, while running WSJT-X or WSPR-X, and MacLoggerDX under MacOS. For remote rig control of my KX2 or KX3 I run Wizkers:Radio under Chrome on MacOS but I have not done much with Wizkers yet. For contesting, I run N1MM+ on VMWare but I don't have voice keying set up on N1MM+

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> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Michael Wong <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> At the risk of starting a religious thread, I never said Macs were more secure than PCs. On my Mac, I simply have more control of my security and credentials than on a Windows computer from 20 years of deep Mac experience. On Windows, I simply don’t have the deep knowledge of how to restrict my usage to protect myself. Whatever the platform, careful computing habits are the best defense from malware.
>
> Also, Microsoft is close to ending free Windows 10 updates (or may have already ended that program.) VMs are a good compromise and others have commented on those virtues.
>
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:02 AM, John <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> I'd be very wary of your last statement there. Your Mac is no more secure than a Windows computer (and in fact Apple collect a lot of data and hide the fact that they're collecting it, they just manage to hide it better than Microsoft do). Your assertion that you're safe just because you use a Mac is, at best, a false belief.
>>
>> I, and many other people, use a Windows PC on a daily basis, do all my online shopping on it etc, and I've not been a victim of any of the things you suggested will happen. Sure, I'm a careful user (by which I mean I apply common sense when browsing etc), but I'm at no more risk on my Windows PC than you are on your Mac.
>>
>> In response to Dick's question about cost, the only cost would be a Windows licence. With Windows 10 being free for a long time, you may still find that your VM can install, and be activated with, that for free. YMMV. Virtualbox is completely free to individual users (and I suspect other VM hypervisors mentioned in the thread such as Parallels and VMware Fusion are the same).
>>
>> 73, and a firm left handshake,
>> John (XLX)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Michael Wong
>> Sent: 12 October 2016 17:56
>> To: Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]>
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>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows Emulator
>>
>> I second that. Lifelong Mac user. I have a cheap Windows laptop I only use for ham and games. I nuked the drive, installed a fresh, legal copy of Windows 10 and don’t use that computer to surf or watch videos or music. I don't download ANYTHING other than ham stuff, OS updates, and games from Steam or Blizzard, and simply haven’t entered my credit card information on anything on that PC. I purchase on the web on my Mac where I have control over my credentials and security. I also restrict my Windows PC to only my Gmail account. I’m not going to let my hobby computer be the vector of identity theft or ransomware.
>>
>> Michael, K2MAW
>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just a suggestion;
>>>
>>> I don't know what all this would cost you, but $350 can buy a very
>>> decent Windows laptop. I bought a Lenovo with an i5 cpu and 8 Gb of
>>> ram plus an optical drive and more, from the Microsoft store for that
>>> amount. You have to watch for good offers.
>>>
>>> Dick, n0ce
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 10/12/2016 11:20 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>>>> I give up.
>>>>
>>>> I have tried to be faithful to my decision of a few years ago, to swear off Windows and work exclusively with Mac OS. But there’s just too much that I want that isn’t available in OS – Spectrogram, for example, and any number of logging programs I’d like to try.
>>>>
>>>> It’s not time yet for a new computer, and I want to keep all of my Mac apps and files intact; so the question is what sort of Windows emulator would be best to install in the Mac computers. I use a 4-year old MacBook Air as a laptop and an even older iMac on my desk. Both now run OS X Yosemite and I will not upgrade to Sierra, in case that matters.
>>>>
>>>> Advice? Thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>>>
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Cameron Francey

Re: Windows Emulator

Another option is Wine, I use that on my laptop running Ubuntu for a few programs that I used to use on Windows. Its a windows compatibility layer that runs on your host OS, Mac or Linux based.

I tried it on my Mac (work computer) but didn't get it to work fully, however, that was more my dislike for Mac/Apple OS and also more likely my inexperience using Mac OS.

https://www.winehq.org/

As others suggested, virtual VM's on one of the hypervisors mentioned would be fine too, but they have pluses and minuses as others have already pointed out, so I wont repeat again.

Best regards,

Cameron, - AF7DK/GM7LQR

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From: Elecraft <[hidden email]> on behalf of Peter LaBissoniere <[hidden email]>
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To: Michael Wong
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows Emulator

I run Windows 10 under the most recent version of VMWare Fusion on a late 2012 Mac Mini running MacOS 10.12 (Sierra) with 16Gb of RAM. So far it can easily run any Windows ham software I have thrown at it. I can remote into the Mac with VNC and control my Kenwood TS-590S with Kenwood's rig control software running on the VMWare Windows client, while running WSJT-X or WSPR-X, and MacLoggerDX under MacOS. For remote rig control of my KX2 or KX3 I run Wizkers:Radio under Chrome on MacOS but I have not done much with Wizkers yet. For contesting, I run N1MM+ on VMWare but I don't have voice keying set up on N1MM+

73

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Elecraft K3

Re: Windows Emulator

Hello All,

I didn’t read through all the responses, so apologies if this is duplicated.

After running several emulators and not liking them much, I went with Apple’s Boot Camp and prefer it over anything else I’ve tried. It has been much more reliable for me. I use both OSs almost every day on the shack computer. Windows for amateur radio and the Mac OS for all my weather station data.

The only problem is that the clock needs to be reset every time I launch Windows after the Mac OS. I know it is something in the registry but I am too Windows ignorant to fix it.

HTH,

73 de Eric, KG6MZS
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Setting Windows Clock

Eric,

Atomic Clock Sync will allow you to set the clock easily in Windows.
Check out http://www.worldtimeserver.com/atomic-clock/

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/12/2016 4:13 PM, Elecraft K3 wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I didn’t read through all the responses, so apologies if this is duplicated.
>
> After running several emulators and not liking them much, I went with Apple’s Boot Camp and prefer it over anything else I’ve tried. It has been much more reliable for me. I use both OSs almost every day on the shack computer. Windows for amateur radio and the Mac OS for all my weather station data.
>
> The only problem is that the clock needs to be reset every time I launch Windows after the Mac OS. I know it is something in the registry but I am too Windows ignorant to fix it.
>
> HTH,
>

Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Windows Emulator

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Same here, Eric. And my clock is always OK when
rebooting into Windows, though it may be off some
integral number of hours for a minute or two.

Phil W7OX

On 10/12/16 1:13 PM, Elecraft K3 wrote:

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: Windows Emulator

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In the interest of reducing list email overload for others, let's wind down the
OT 'Windows Emulator' posts and close the thread within an hour of this post.
(Its now 2249 Z)

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On 10/12/2016 2:02 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:

> Same here, Eric. And my clock is always OK when rebooting into Windows,
> though it may be off some integral number of hours for a minute or two.
>
> Phil W7OX
>
> On 10/12/16 1:13 PM, Elecraft K3 wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I didn’t read through all the responses, so apologies if this is duplicated.
>>
>> After running several emulators and not liking them much, I went with Apple’s
>> Boot Camp and prefer it over anything else I’ve tried. It has been much more
>> reliable for me. I use both OSs almost every day on the shack computer.
>> Windows for amateur radio and the Mac OS for all my weather station data.
>>
>> The only problem is that the clock needs to be reset every time I launch
>> Windows after the Mac OS. I know it is something in the registry but I am
>> too Windows ignorant to fix it.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> 73 de Eric, KG6MZS
>
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Re: Windows Emulator

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I used BOOTCAMP to set aside a portion of my hard drive for Windows and installed Win8.1 (now upgraded to 10). Now I can boot into either OS and use it. Works great. MAC hardware runs windows better than my old HP laptop.

I also purchased VMWare Fusion and used the Bootcamp partition as my virrtual machine,

Now I have the best of both worlds,

…bill nr4c

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Richard Fjeld <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Just a suggestion;
>
> I don't know what all this would cost you, but $350 can buy a very
> decent Windows laptop. I bought a Lenovo with an i5 cpu and 8 Gb of ram
> plus an optical drive and more, from the Microsoft store for that
> amount. You have to watch for good offers.
>
> Dick, n0ce
>
>
> On 10/12/2016 11:20 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>> I give up.
>>
>> I have tried to be faithful to my decision of a few years ago, to swear off Windows and work exclusively with Mac OS. But there’s just too much that I want that isn’t available in OS – Spectrogram, for example, and any number of logging programs I’d like to try.
>>
>> It’s not time yet for a new computer, and I want to keep all of my Mac apps and files intact; so the question is what sort of Windows emulator would be best to install in the Mac computers. I use a 4-year old MacBook Air as a laptop and an even older iMac on my desk. Both now run OS X Yosemite and I will not upgrade to Sierra, in case that matters.
>>
>> Advice? Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>
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Re: Windows Emulator

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Ted,
Firstly as others have said “do not give up”

I too use professionally (for testing) Oracles excellent VirtualBox - it is decent VM which for home use will allow you to try almost any OS you wish to dabble in.
VMWares’s products are also excellent - but are generally tailored for commercial/large scale VM applications.
There are others KVM, MVS, Hyper-V etc

Do not stress about hypervisor 1 or 2 - You will use a level 2 hypervisor - just accept that and carry on forwards.

The only caveat with home VM’s are these
a) You are always running 2 machines - you have the physical machine which requires resources such as CPU, memory and disk - plus you have the VM which also needs the same. So you need to make sure you balance the load between the two.
b) If you “host” i.e. the machine where the VM software is installed can not see the device on a USB etc because there is no driver etc - then you will not be able to utilize this device inside the VM software.
c) You often get what is termed ‘VM-bloat’ as you create a machine to run a skimmer, then another for Product-X - oh and another for product-Y - so keep an eye on your disk utilization - I used a separate 1Tb drive just to handle the 30+ VM’s I use !!

So what have you got to loose - except a little disk space and time

Best regards

Tim - A45WG

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:20 PM, Dauer, Edward <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I give up.
>
> I have tried to be faithful to my decision of a few years ago, to swear off Windows and work exclusively with Mac OS. But there’s just too much that I want that isn’t available in OS – Spectrogram, for example, and any number of logging programs I’d like to try.
>
> It’s not time yet for a new computer, and I want to keep all of my Mac apps and files intact; so the question is what sort of Windows emulator would be best to install in the Mac computers. I use a 4-year old MacBook Air as a laptop and an even older iMac on my desk. Both now run OS X Yosemite and I will not upgrade to Sierra, in case that matters.
>
> Advice? Thanks in advance,
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
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