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Steve Jackson-5

Winkeyer -> K2 ... weighting equality

The internal keyer in my K2 seems to have a different 'weighting' (or something) compared to my new K1EL Winkeyer.

I have been playing with the settings on the latter to try and make these two devices 'sound' the same.

Frankly, after 8+ years, I've grown to like the K2's rhythm in this sense, but don't really care much for the UI of the built-in keyer when operating 'fixed.' And, I needed PC control from several applications, anyway. So I'm converting to the external gizmo.

So far, the subtleties of the set-up have eluded me. Anyone else do this yet, successfully? Or am I just being very, um, picky?

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John Huffman-3

Re: Winkeyer -> K2 ... weighting equality

Steve -

Only had my Winkey for 2 days, but am after the same goal. I'll use the
Winkey for both my K2 and my Ten Tec Omni VI (until my K3 arrives in April).

I've gotten close by making the ratio 45 and the weight 60. I messed
with Sample, but ended up leaving it at 50. I can tell when the timing
is off what I'm used to, when 'R' or 'K' don't complete the last element
and come out as 'A' and 'N'.

You might give that a try and let me know off list how it works for you.
If we work together we should improve our odds :-)

73 de K1ESE
John

Steve Jackson wrote:

> The internal keyer in my K2 seems to have a different 'weighting' (or something) compared to my new K1EL Winkeyer.
>
> I have been playing with the settings on the latter to try and make these two devices 'sound' the same.
>
> Frankly, after 8+ years, I've grown to like the K2's rhythm in this sense, but don't really care much for the UI of the built-in keyer when operating 'fixed.' And, I needed PC control from several applications, anyway. So I'm converting to the external gizmo.
>
> So far, the subtleties of the set-up have eluded me. Anyone else do this yet, successfully? Or am I just being very, um, picky?
>
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Jack Brindle

Re: Winkeyer -> K2 ... weighting equality

This is an interesting thread. I've gone the other way. I used a
WB4VVF Accu-Keyer for a long time. After an overly-long layoff from
HF, I started using the K2's keyer when I got my K2 (or at least
tried). I just could not get used to the timing of the built-in
keyer, finally deciding that my paddle was defective. When the YF
(KB4TGE) gave me a K1EL USB keyer for Christmas last year things
changed. The K1EL keyer feels right, and has rejuvenated my use of CW.

As you guys note, it is whatever you are used to...

On Jan 5, 2008, at 12:41 PM, John Huffman wrote:

> Steve -
>
> Only had my Winkey for 2 days, but am after the same goal. I'll
> use the Winkey for both my K2 and my Ten Tec Omni VI (until my K3
> arrives in April).
>
> I've gotten close by making the ratio 45 and the weight 60. I
> messed with Sample, but ended up leaving it at 50. I can tell when
> the timing is off what I'm used to, when 'R' or 'K' don't complete
> the last element and come out as 'A' and 'N'.
>
> You might give that a try and let me know off list how it works for
> you. If we work together we should improve our odds :-)
>
> 73 de K1ESE
> John
>
> Steve Jackson wrote:
>> The internal keyer in my K2 seems to have a different
>> 'weighting' (or something) compared to my new K1EL Winkeyer.
>> I have been playing with the settings on the latter to try and
>> make these two devices 'sound' the same. Frankly, after 8+ years,
>> I've grown to like the K2's rhythm in this sense, but don't really
>> care much for the UI of the built-in keyer when operating
>> 'fixed.' And, I needed PC control from several applications,
>> anyway. So I'm converting to the external gizmo.
>> So far, the subtleties of the set-up have eluded me. Anyone else
>> do this yet, successfully? Or am I just being very, um, picky?
>>
>> _____________________________________________________________________
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Mike Harris-9

Re: Winkeyer -> K2 ... weighting equality

In reply to this post by Steve Jackson-5

Hi,

Interesting this.

I struggled for ages with trying to use mHAM CW Keyer (iambic B) until I
dropped the paddle setpoint setting to 35. After that it is almost the
same as the K2 keyer. Now when using the PC for contest logging I can
drop to the paddles without making a total hash of what I'm trying to
send. I only use the mHAM a couple of times a year.

It will be interesting to see how the K2 and K3 internal keyers compare.
The two CW instrument ports on the K3 could be the solution.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Jackson" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Winkeyer -> K2 ... weighting equality

| The internal keyer in my K2 seems to have a different 'weighting' (or
something) compared to my new K1EL Winkeyer.
|
| I have been playing with the settings on the latter to try and make
these two devices 'sound' the same.
|
| Frankly, after 8+ years, I've grown to like the K2's rhythm in this
sense, but don't really care much for the UI of the built-in keyer when
operating 'fixed.' And, I needed PC control from several applications,
anyway. So I'm converting to the external gizmo.
|
| So far, the subtleties of the set-up have eluded me. Anyone else do
this yet, successfully? Or am I just being very, um, picky?

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John Huffman-3

Re: Winkeyer -> K2 ... weighting equality

Mike -

I'm using the standalone model. Is paddle setpoint the same as 'Sample'
in the WK2Mgr program?

73 de K1ESE
John

Mike Harris wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Interesting this.
>
> I struggled for ages with trying to use mHAM CW Keyer (iambic B) until I
> dropped the paddle setpoint setting to 35. After that it is almost the
> same as the K2 keyer. Now when using the PC for contest logging I can
> drop to the paddles without making a total hash of what I'm trying to
> send. I only use the mHAM a couple of times a year.
>
> It will be interesting to see how the K2 and K3 internal keyers compare.
> The two CW instrument ports on the K3 could be the solution.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike VP8NO
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Jackson" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 4:27 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Winkeyer -> K2 ... weighting equality
>
>
> | The internal keyer in my K2 seems to have a different 'weighting' (or
> something) compared to my new K1EL Winkeyer.
> |
> | I have been playing with the settings on the latter to try and make
> these two devices 'sound' the same.
> |
> | Frankly, after 8+ years, I've grown to like the K2's rhythm in this
> sense, but don't really care much for the UI of the built-in keyer when
> operating 'fixed.' And, I needed PC control from several applications,
> anyway. So I'm converting to the external gizmo.
> |
> | So far, the subtleties of the set-up have eluded me. Anyone else do
> this yet, successfully? Or am I just being very, um, picky?
>
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