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I am not sure this is the forum to do this.....  I will keep this simple.

I would like the feature of when you turn off VOX...the letters PTT are put in their place.

I know that PTT shows up in the "B" VFO area....but....just for a second or two.  I have been scratching my head and reading the manual trying to figure out why the rig won't key...all to discover I am on PTT.  I know it is a DUH, but I think it would be a good change.

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[M0XDF]

Doublt its possible, I think that is a pre-defined icon - there or not there
- it is not a 7 segment display


On 10/03/2008 18:38, "Lee Buller" <[hidden email]> sent:

>
>
> I am not sure this is the forum to do this.....  I will keep this simple.
>
> I would like the feature of when you turn off VOX...the letters PTT are put in
> their place.
>
> I know that PTT shows up in the "B" VFO area....but....just for a second or
> two.  I have been scratching my head and reading the manual trying to figure
> out why the rig won't key...all to discover I am on PTT.  I know it is a DUH,
> but I think it would be a good change.
>
> Lee - K0WA
>
>
>
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[Greg - AB7R]

Sorry Lee.  This is an LCD ICON and there's no way to change what is available on the
LCD at this point.

Thanks for the input though.

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On Mon Mar 10 11:38 , Lee Buller  sent:

>
>
>I am not sure this is the forum to do this.....  I will keep this simple.
>
>I would like the feature of when you turn off VOX...the letters PTT are put in their
place.
>
>I know that PTT shows up in the "B" VFO area....but....just for a second or two.  I
have been scratching my head and reading the manual trying to figure out why the rig
won't key...all to discover I am on PTT.  I know it is a DUH, but I think it would be a
good change.
>
>Lee - K0WA
>
>
>
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RATS!  Oh well, now I have to get into my noggin' than when the VOX is not showing I am in PTT mode.  HMMMM.  I thought the LCD was programmable...like you could put anything on it anywhere.  HMMMMm.  How does that work?  Or, maybe...why does it work that way?  Or is this not an LCD exactly like the way I think and LCD should work?

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[M0XDF]

It's an LCD in that it's a liquid crystal display - that's the technology,
but driving a pure LCD dot matrix display takes a lot more power, a lot more
programming etc - it's not a TV screen. An awful lot of electronics these
days does not have a completely programmable display, it has areas which
'light' up, but its a predefined pattern of crystals. It's also difficult
(read expensive) to get good resolution in such small icons - look at the
resolution of VFOB display to get an idea.


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> RATS!  Oh well, now I have to get into my noggin' than when the VOX is not
> showing I am in PTT mode.  HMMMM.  I thought the LCD was programmable...like
> you could put anything on it anywhere.  HMMMMm.  How does that work?  Or,
> maybe...why does it work that way?  Or is this not an LCD exactly like the way
> I think and LCD should work?
>
> Lee - K0WA
> .
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[Dick Dievendorff]

I'm not an LCD expert, but some general-purpose LCDs are simply an array of
dots and you can program them to show anything.  But it looks like an array
of dots.  An example is the LCD on my Array Solutions Power Master
http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/powermaster.htm.

Other LCDs have custom "icons". The VFO A and B areas use seven-segments and
a dot sort of construction that gives you numbers and most characters (and i
sometimes lower case is used, because upper case D looks a lot like an O or
a zero). So during DSP load it shows up as "dSP", which looks amazingly
close to d5P (d five p).

Other areas like the S-Meter area appear to be custom icons.  There isn't
any programming to draw the scale of the S-meter. It's "burned in" to the
glass.  The programming can choose to illuminate it or leave it dark.

I don't know who the custom LCD vendor was for the Elecraft K3, but here's a
web page for one company that provides custom LCD solutions:

http://www.pacificdisplay.com/design_lcd.htm

73 de Dick, K6KR


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RATS!  Oh well, now I have to get into my noggin' than when the VOX is not
showing I am in PTT mode.  HMMMM.  I thought the LCD was programmable...like
you could put anything on it anywhere.  HMMMMm.  How does that work?  Or,
maybe...why does it work that way?  Or is this not an LCD exactly like the
way I think and LCD should work?

Lee - K0WA
.

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David and Dick got it right.

It takes a lot of graphics processing power to make a general purpose
LCD look good. If you've got an LCD monitor on your computer there is a
point at which your current video card will not drive a larger monitor.
I ran into this when I upgraded to a 22" wide screen LCD. The old,(2
years) video card wouldn't drive it to a decent resolution.

The "iconized" LCD's take a lot less programming as the areas
specifically setup are either on or off. You can't anticipate everything
someone might like to see so it's a trade off.

On my K2 the only way I know I'm using VOX is the flashing U or L icon.
If it ain't flashing I know I'm running PTT mode.

Dick Dievendorff wrote:
| I'm not an LCD expert, but some general-purpose LCDs are simply an
array of
| dots and you can program them to show anything.  But it looks like an
array
| of dots.  An example is the LCD on my Array Solutions Power Master
| http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/powermaster.htm.
|
| Other LCDs have custom "icons". The VFO A and B areas use
seven-segments and
| a dot sort of construction that gives you numbers and most characters
(and i
| sometimes lower case is used, because upper case D looks a lot like an
O or
| a zero). So during DSP load it shows up as "dSP", which looks amazingly
| close to d5P (d five p).
|
| Other areas like the S-Meter area appear to be custom icons.  There isn't
| any programming to draw the scale of the S-meter. It's "burned in" to the
| glass.  The programming can choose to illuminate it or leave it dark.
|
| I don't know who the custom LCD vendor was for the Elecraft K3, but
here's a
| web page for one company that provides custom LCD solutions:
|
| http://www.pacificdisplay.com/design_lcd.htm
|
| 73 de Dick, K6KR


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[Tom Arntzen-2]

Why not program the VOX icon to flash on and off when you are in vox?
If it ain't flashing you are in PTT.
PUT THAT ON THE WISHLIST.

Or you can simply make the lcd backlight go from amber to red when vox is
activ.....OH no. forget it.
Wan't be any good with those pink k3 covers some topics back from here. :-)

Tom LA1PHA

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> RATS!  Oh well, now I have to get into my noggin' than when the VOX is not
> showing I am in PTT mode.  HMMMM.  I thought the LCD was
> programmable...like you could put anything on it anywhere.  HMMMMm.  How
> does that work?  Or, maybe...why does it work that way?  Or is this not an
> LCD exactly like the way I think and LCD should work?
>
> Lee - K0WA
> .
>
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[KXBill]

Tom and Lee:
FYIW; whats wrong with the ‎steady VOX icon for VOX and,
if it's not on, your in PTT

Bill W7KXB

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> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:34:37 +0100
>
> Why not program the VOX icon to flash on and off when you are in vox?
> If it ain't flashing you are in PTT.
> PUT THAT ON THE WISHLIST.
>
> Or you can simply make the lcd backlight go from amber to red when vox is
> activ.....OH no. forget it.
> Wan't be any good with those pink k3 covers some topics back from here. :-)
>
> Tom LA1PHA
>
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>
>
> > RATS!  Oh well, now I have to get into my noggin' than when the VOX is not
> > showing I am in PTT mode.  HMMMM.  I thought the LCD was
> > programmable...like you could put anything on it anywhere.  HMMMMm.  How
> > does that work?  Or, maybe...why does it work that way?  Or is this not an
> > LCD exactly like the way I think and LCD should work?
> >
> > Lee - K0WA

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[dj7mgq]

> FYIW; whats wrong with the ‎steady VOX icon for VOX and,
> if it's not on, your in PTT

IMHO nothing. I like it they way it is.

73

toby

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[Jim Cox]

Amen, I dont see any problem with the current display.  VOX icon, vox on.
No icon, PTT.
Jim K4JAF

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> FYIW; whats wrong with the ‎steady VOX icon for VOX and,
> if it's not on, your in PTT

IMHO nothing. I like it they way it is.

73

toby

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OK guys.....

If you follow the thread ... the idea has been tossed about and tossed out ... and for good reason.  They can't do it.  Nope, cannot be done.  The VOX icon is "burned" into the LCD, thus there is no way to change it.  I did not understand the manufacturing process when I made the comment.  I am not an engineer or a manufacturing process expert.

So it is a moot point.

Again, some of this is the learning curve of the radio, and once I learn the radio better, I will understand that when the VOX is not showing, I am in PTT.

But, I reserve the right to suggest improvements that are part of my opinion.  Sometimes on this list...dumb ideas are branded as dumb by guys who think they know all the answers.  There are no dumb questions or dumb suggestions as the K3 evolves.  Please, your opinion counts and so does mine...lets not minimize constructive (but maybe flawed) comments or ideas

I felt this was something would enhance the rig...a small something.  It just cannot be done.  So, lets move on.

Lee - K0WA



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[Tom Arntzen-2]

You are absolutly right Bill.
My appologies to you and all K3 owners.

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> Tom and Lee:
> FYIW; whats wrong with the �??steady VOX icon for VOX and,
> if it's not on, your in PTT


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