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Barry

With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

With ever increasing volume, sure to increase exponentially when the K4's
start coming, is it time to replace this list with a forum?

Yes, emails can be filtered, but does it make sense to download hundreds of
emails when only a handful are of interest due to your equipment inventory?

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Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

What I have most valued in this list is not the specific information on a piece of Elecraft equipment I own but the the educational value of so much of the other things posted. Not only do I learn new things, I also find comments about other models that can be applied to those I own. This only the beginning of the strength of a general list.

David K0LUM

> On Sep 6, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> With ever increasing volume, sure to increase exponentially when the K4's
> start coming, is it time to replace this list with a forum?
>
> Yes, emails can be filtered, but does it make sense to download hundreds of
> emails when only a handful are of interest due to your equipment inventory?
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rich hurd WC3T

Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

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I think Wayne has answered this. Beat it to death, really. Groups.io has
its place and so does the reflector.

On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 08:47 Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:

> With ever increasing volume, sure to increase exponentially when the K4's
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> start coming, is it time to replace this list with a forum?
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> Yes, emails can be filtered, but does it make sense to download hundreds of
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> emails when only a handful are of interest due to your equipment inventory?
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Nr4c

Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

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This comes up often. And Elecraft is adamant that they want it just as it is. And it’s their “football”.

There is a group on groups.io for the L4 (Elecraft-L4). Perhaps you can check it out.

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> On Sep 6, 2020, at 9:30 AM, David Christ <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> What I have most valued in this list is not the specific information on a piece of Elecraft equipment I own but the the educational value of so much of the other things posted. Not only do I learn new things, I also find comments about other models that can be applied to those I own. This only the beginning of the strength of a general list.
>
> David K0LUM
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>> On Sep 6, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> With ever increasing volume, sure to increase exponentially when the K4's
>> start coming, is it time to replace this list with a forum?
>>
>> Yes, emails can be filtered, but does it make sense to download hundreds of
>> emails when only a handful are of interest due to your equipment inventory?
>>
>> Barry W2UP
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NK7Z

Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

Given that the market for K4 radios will come primarily from K3 owners
initially, the last thing Elecraft will do is to start a different
group, and I am glad of that. This COVID crap can not have been easy
for them, couple that with fires, etc., and they need to sell radios!

73, and thanks,
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On 9/6/20 10:46 AM, Nr4c wrote:

> This comes up often. And Elecraft is adamant that they want it just as it is. And it’s their “football”.
>
> There is a group on groups.io for the L4 (Elecraft-L4). Perhaps you can check it out.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
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>> On Sep 6, 2020, at 9:30 AM, David Christ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> What I have most valued in this list is not the specific information on a piece of Elecraft equipment I own but the the educational value of so much of the other things posted. Not only do I learn new things, I also find comments about other models that can be applied to those I own. This only the beginning of the strength of a general list.
>>
>> David K0LUM
>>
>>> On Sep 6, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> With ever increasing volume, sure to increase exponentially when the K4's
>>> start coming, is it time to replace this list with a forum?
>>>
>>> Yes, emails can be filtered, but does it make sense to download hundreds of
>>> emails when only a handful are of interest due to your equipment inventory?
>>>
>>> Barry W2UP
>>>
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Tom Azlin W7SUA-2

Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

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Nope.

Besides I use IMAP so only what I click on gets downloaded.

I would rather have all the traffic and the volume does not bother me.

Tom w7sua

On 9/6/2020 5:47 AM, Barry wrote:

> With ever increasing volume, sure to increase exponentially when the K4's
> start coming, is it time to replace this list with a forum?
>
> Yes, emails can be filtered, but does it make sense to download hundreds of
> emails when only a handful are of interest due to your equipment inventory?
>
> Barry W2UP
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Elecraft mailing list

Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

If there were an alternative to e-mail for the kind of dialog that takes place
on this e-mail reflector I think the style and format, along with operating rules,
of the Stack Exchange forums would be a great fit.

Now, I don’t think Stack Exchange would allow a vendor directed forum and
there is already a Ham Radio forum which is not that good in my opinion but
the way the software works, the organization, the division of posted questions with
answers and the voting to rank answers (and even questions) is very good. Each
forum also has a chat mode for back & forth dribble that might come up now and
then.

If you have not visited a stack exchange forum, consider some of the following
which I list merely because these are some I follow.

https://physics.stackexchange.com <https://physics.stackexchange.com/>

https://ham.stackexchange.com <https://ham.stackexchange.com/>

https://math.stackexchange.com <https://math.stackexchange.com/>

And, this last link is a sort of directory of available SE topic areas:

https://stackexchange.com/sites <https://stackexchange.com/sites>

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Sep 6, 2020, at 1:37 PM, Tom Azlin W7SUA <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Nope.
>
> Besides I use IMAP so only what I click on gets downloaded.
>
> I would rather have all the traffic and the volume does not bother me.
>
> Tom w7sua
>
> On 9/6/2020 5:47 AM, Barry wrote:
>> With ever increasing volume, sure to increase exponentially when the K4's
>> start coming, is it time to replace this list with a forum?
>> Yes, emails can be filtered, but does it make sense to download hundreds of
>> emails when only a handful are of interest due to your equipment inventory?
>> Barry W2UP
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David Gilbert-2

Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

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Text email downloads take a trivial amount of time and bandwidth.
Filters (either software or mental) easily take care of the rest.

And as others have pointed out, there is already a K4 forum on .io .....
why doesn't that work for you??

Dave AB7E

>> Yes, emails can be filtered, but does it make sense to download
>> hundreds of
>> emails when only a handful are of interest due to your equipment
>> inventory?
>>
>> Barry W2UP

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Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

David Gilbert-2 wrote
> And as others have pointed out, there is already a K4 forum on .io .....
> why doesn't that work for you??
>
> Dave AB7E

Because I'm not looking for a K4 forum. I'm looking to AVOID all the K4
traffic that will be comping.

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W2xj

Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

then build a filter.

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> On Sep 6, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> David Gilbert-2 wrote
>> And as others have pointed out, there is already a K4 forum on .io .....
>> why doesn't that work for you??
>>
>> Dave AB7E
>
> Because I'm not looking for a K4 forum. I'm looking to AVOID all the K4
> traffic that will be comping.
>
> Barry W2UP
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David Gilbert-2

Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

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Ahh. Well then, I'd bet quite a lot of money that 95+% of that traffic
will have "K4" in the header and easily be sent directly to your trash
bin. You'll never even see it.

73,
Dave AB7E

On 9/6/2020 3:03 PM, Barry wrote:

> David Gilbert-2 wrote
>> And as others have pointed out, there is already a K4 forum on .io .....
>> why doesn't that work for you??
>>
>> Dave AB7E
> Because I'm not looking for a K4 forum. I'm looking to AVOID all the K4
> traffic that will be comping.
>
> Barry W2UP
>
>

Alan - G4GNX

Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

I'd bet quite a lot that it will only be 50% because most contributors
are too lazy to change the header.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

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Sent: 07/09/2020 00:52:45
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this
email list with a forum?

>
>Ahh. Well then, I'd bet quite a lot of money that 95+% of that traffic will have "K4" in the header and easily be sent directly to your trash bin. You'll never even see it.
>
>73,
>Dave AB7E
>
>
>On 9/6/2020 3:03 PM, Barry wrote:
>>David Gilbert-2 wrote
>>>And as others have pointed out, there is already a K4 forum on .io .....
>>>why doesn't that work for you??
>>>
>>>Dave AB7E
>>Because I'm not looking for a K4 forum. I'm looking to AVOID all the K4
>>traffic that will be comping.
>>
>>Barry W2UP
>>
>>

Nr4c

Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

In reply to this post by Barry

Hmmm... “DELETE” is your friend.

Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 6, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> David Gilbert-2 wrote
>> And as others have pointed out, there is already a K4 forum on .io .....
>> why doesn't that work for you??
>>
>> Dave AB7E
>
> Because I'm not looking for a K4 forum. I'm looking to AVOID all the K4
> traffic that will be comping.
>
> Barry W2UP
>
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NK7Z

Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

In reply to this post by Alan - G4GNX

Yes... I wish most folks would follow the convention of putting the
device name in the subject...

73, and thanks,
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On 9/6/20 5:00 PM, Alan - G4GNX wrote:

> I'd bet quite a lot that it will only be 50% because most contributors
> are too lazy to change the header.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "David Gilbert" <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: 07/09/2020 00:52:45
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this
> email list with a forum?
>
>>
>> Ahh. Well then, I'd bet quite a lot of money that 95+% of that
>> traffic will have "K4" in the header and easily be sent directly to
>> your trash bin. You'll never even see it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave AB7E
>>
>>
>> On 9/6/2020 3:03 PM, Barry wrote:
>>> David Gilbert-2 wrote
>>>> And as others have pointed out, there is already a K4 forum on .io
>>>> .....
>>>> why doesn't that work for you??
>>>>
>>>> Dave AB7E
>>> Because I'm not looking for a K4 forum. I'm looking to AVOID all the K4
>>> traffic that will be comping.
>>>
>>> Barry W2UP
>>>
>>>
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Wes Stewart-2

Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

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Some people have no friends, they just want to whine and complain.

Wes N7WS

On 9/6/2020 5:05 PM, Nr4c wrote:

> Hmmm... “DELETE” is your friend.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
>
>> On Sep 6, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> David Gilbert-2 wrote
>>> And as others have pointed out, there is already a K4 forum on .io .....
>>> why doesn't that work for you??
>>>
>>> Dave AB7E
>> Because I'm not looking for a K4 forum. I'm looking to AVOID all the K4
>> traffic that will be comping.
>>
>> Barry W2UP
>>

K2bew

Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

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Actually I'm finding the discussion about the discussion of k4s is more
annoying than the discussion of k4's.
Just hit delete.

Tom k2bew

On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 19:54 David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Ahh. Well then, I'd bet quite a lot of money that 95+% of that traffic
> will have "K4" in the header and easily be sent directly to your trash
> bin. You'll never even see it.
>
> 73,
> Dave AB7E
>
>
> On 9/6/2020 3:03 PM, Barry wrote:
> > David Gilbert-2 wrote
> >> And as others have pointed out, there is already a K4 forum on .io .....
> >> why doesn't that work for you??
> >>
> >> Dave AB7E
> > Because I'm not looking for a K4 forum. I'm looking to AVOID all the K4
> > traffic that will be comping.
> >
> > Barry W2UP
> >
> >
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Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

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My point is there's no need to hit a DELETE key in a forum with a list of
subject titles that one may choose to read, or not. Email lists are 1980s
technology.
Barry W2UP

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> Hmmm... “DELETE” is your friend.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
>
>> On Sep 6, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Barry <

> w2up@

> > wrote:
>>
>> David Gilbert-2 wrote
>>> And as others have pointed out, there is already a K4 forum on .io .....
>>> why doesn't that work for you??
>>>
>>> Dave AB7E
>>
>> Because I'm not looking for a K4 forum. I'm looking to AVOID all the K4
>> traffic that will be comping.
>>
>> Barry W2UP
>>
>>
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Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

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There is no reason to hit a DELETE key with the current system. I do not
receive a single email from this list. I just read the posts of interest in
the archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/

John KK9A

Barry w2up wrote:

My point is there's no need to hit a DELETE key in a forum with a list of
subject titles that one may choose to read, or not. Email lists are 1980s
technology.
Barry W2UP

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My point is, it ain’t gonna happen.

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> On Sep 6, 2020, at 10:08 PM, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> My point is there's no need to hit a DELETE key in a forum with a list of
> subject titles that one may choose to read, or not. Email lists are 1980s
> technology.
> Barry W2UP
>
>
> Nr4c wrote
>> Hmmm... “DELETE” is your friend.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 6, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Barry <
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>>> David Gilbert-2 wrote
>>>> And as others have pointed out, there is already a K4 forum on .io .....
>>>> why doesn't that work for you??
>>>>
>>>> Dave AB7E
>>>
>>> Because I'm not looking for a K4 forum. I'm looking to AVOID all the K4
>>> traffic that will be comping.
>>>
>>> Barry W2UP
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Re: With the K4 coming, is it time to replace this email list with a forum?

I use and go to Nabble. No emails from the list come to me.

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Nr4c wrote
> My point is, it ain’t gonna happen.
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>> On Sep 6, 2020, at 10:08 PM, Barry <

> w2up@

> > wrote:
>>
>> My point is there's no need to hit a DELETE key in a forum with a list
>> of
>> subject titles that one may choose to read, or not. Email lists are
>> 1980s
>> technology.
>> Barry W2UP
>>
>>
>> Nr4c wrote
>>> Hmmm... “DELETE” is your friend.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>
>>>> On Sep 6, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Barry <
>>
>>> w2up@
>>
>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> David Gilbert-2 wrote
>>>>> And as others have pointed out, there is already a K4 forum on .io
>>>>> .....
>>>>> why doesn't that work for you??
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave AB7E
>>>>
>>>> Because I'm not looking for a K4 forum. I'm looking to AVOID all the
>>>> K4
>>>> traffic that will be comping.
>>>>
>>>> Barry W2UP
>>>>
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