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"A third word of advice...until you have some HF miles under your belt,
stay away from the abject buffoonery known as 75 meters." Is there a problem with one of our bands? 73. John. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Sun,2/14/2016 9:17 AM, John wrote:
> "A third word of advice...until you have some HF miles under your belt, > stay away from the abject buffoonery known as 75 meters." > Is there a problem with one of our bands? There is in much of the United States. And there has been since I was first licensed in 1955. 75M Phone (then it was AM) has long been a sewer. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I'm dismayed by much of what I hear on 75. I think one of the best behaved
bands is 17. Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim > Brown > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 12:41 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] abject buffoonery > > On Sun,2/14/2016 9:17 AM, John wrote: > > "A third word of advice...until you have some HF miles under your > > belt, stay away from the abject buffoonery known as 75 meters." > > Is there a problem with one of our bands? > > There is in much of the United States. And there has been since I was > licensed in 1955. 75M Phone (then it was AM) has long been a sewer. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I agree with these 75 meters comments. I wonder if it is because 75 meters is the night-time band, after dinner, and sometimes maybe after drinking too much.
But, CW eliminates almost all of that, maybe all of that. Of course, this would be 80 meters but if you want to be on that end of the spectrum for night time QSOs — CW is the way to go. 73, phil, K7PEH P.S. I am a bit embarrassed to write these OT comments but I have strong negative feelings about 75 meter phone band. > On Feb 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Bob Novas <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I'm dismayed by much of what I hear on 75. I think one of the best behaved > bands is 17. Bob > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim >> Brown >> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 12:41 PM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] abject buffoonery >> >> On Sun,2/14/2016 9:17 AM, John wrote: >>> "A third word of advice...until you have some HF miles under your >>> belt, stay away from the abject buffoonery known as 75 meters." >>> Is there a problem with one of our bands? >> >> There is in much of the United States. And there has been since I was > first >> licensed in 1955. 75M Phone (then it was AM) has long been a sewer. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message >> delivered to [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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The occasional rebroadcasted music, malicious jamming, whistles, jeers, political "discourse," religious extremism, blush-worthy 60-over-9 filth, and full-contact audio body slams found on 75 meters offer a bottomless pit of entertaining signals for testing new receiver designs. Given this, plus the Fifty Shades of QRN found nowhere else, as an engineer I'd really miss it.
To be fair, there's also a large contingent of knowledgable operators to be found on this band, with expertise in SSB and AM signal quality, antennas, and amplifiers. No shortage of opinions when you need them. Wayne N6KR On Feb 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, "Bob Novas" <[hidden email]> wrote: > I'm dismayed by much of what I hear on 75. I think one of the best behaved > bands is 17. Bob ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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And there are a lot of good National Traffic System (NTS) nets on 75.
Elecraft rigs are great for NTS too, not just for DX and contest work. (smile) 73, Jim, KY2D -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 2:23 PM To: [hidden email] Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] abject buffoonery The occasional rebroadcasted music, malicious jamming, whistles, jeers, political "discourse," religious extremism, blush-worthy 60-over-9 filth, and full-contact audio body slams found on 75 meters offer a bottomless pit of entertaining signals for testing new receiver designs. Given this, plus the Fifty Shades of QRN found nowhere else, as an engineer I'd really miss it. To be fair, there's also a large contingent of knowledgable operators to be found on this band, with expertise in SSB and AM signal quality, antennas, and amplifiers. No shortage of opinions when you need them. Wayne N6KR On Feb 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, "Bob Novas" <[hidden email]> wrote: > I'm dismayed by much of what I hear on 75. I think one of the best > behaved bands is 17. Bob ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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> On Sun,2/14/2016 9:17 AM, John wrote:
> > "A third word of advice...until you have some HF miles under your belt, > > stay away from the abject buffoonery known as 75 meters." > > Is there a problem with one of our bands? > > There is in much of the United States. And there has been since I was > first licensed in 1955. 75M Phone (then it was AM) has long been a sewer. > > 73, Jim K9YC For the most part I agree with the "abject Buffoonery" on 75M. There are however, exceptions such as the 3905 century club which has a great bunch of very decent people on it and they very much welcome newcomers. It is a county hunter's net though and absolutely not a net to argue whatever topic is out there and then grandstand your position like so many 75M nets are. http://www.3905ccn.com/newsite/index.htm Worth a listen if you wish to work 75M and if you do, your K3 will be an excellent radio for you in all ways. 73, Gary KA1J ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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For an international sewer; see 20 meters!
On 2/14/2016 12:40 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On Sun,2/14/2016 9:17 AM, John wrote: >> "A third word of advice...until you have some HF miles under your belt, >> stay away from the abject buffoonery known as 75 meters." >> Is there a problem with one of our bands? > > There is in much of the United States. And there has been since I was first > licensed in 1955. 75M Phone (then it was AM) has long been a sewer. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I spend a large percentage of my ham time on 75 meters - among longtime
friends that have an interest in one another's well being. Nets where I can find a wealth of information on nearly any topic - including ham radio. Knowledge with real-world experience, not just spouting theory and numbers as if knowledgeable. A place where contacts amount to much more than another little check in the LOTW or "you are 59 - please repeat your callsign slowly three or four times." A place on the bands where antenna building and conversation is always welcome. A place where equipment design/mods can be discussed, rather than just purchase price complaints. The home of some really fine armchair signals - on SSB and on AM. Elitists? Not so much! Bill W2BLC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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as a relatively new HAM, although I do have my extra, I'd like to say that I find this kind of negative discussion is really off putting. - Brendon KK6AYI On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Roger D Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote: > For an international sewer; see 20 meters! > > On 2/14/2016 12:40 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Sun,2/14/2016 9:17 AM, John wrote: >> >>> "A third word of advice...until you have some HF miles under your belt, >>> stay away from the abject buffoonery known as 75 meters." >>> Is there a problem with one of our bands? >>> >> >> There is in much of the United States. And there has been since I was >> first licensed in 1955. 75M Phone (then it was AM) has long been a sewer. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Sadly the potty mouth operators found on 75m in the US back when I was first licenced in the 90's was unfortunate and though I am perhaps less than an excellent operator, I am afraid 80m here in VK has some groups that stretch the bounds of our rules also. There are still many fine operators here as there were in the US. Just don't be drawn into making a comment is the best advice. These types of folks enjoy what they do even though it disgusts the vast majority it's best to move your VFO. I have chatted with some amazing people over the years, too many to mention obviously, but if I may, I will single out ONE in particular. During a field day here in VK, I had a call from a ham I not only respected, but one who I had heard so much about and getting that call simply blew me away, I was so humbled that day, and that QSO, along with many more have made me realize what a truly great hobby we have.....enjoy the ride! Oh, the guy who called me?....why of course, it was WA6HHQ and after I literally picked myself up off the ground I had a great conversation with Eric. This list has some of the best minds in our hobby (you know who you are) always willing to help, active on the bands as well as here and for me, this is another reason our hobby is strong and growing in relevance. I hope I can work you on HF from VK some day, I sniff the ether daily for signals from the US, lived there for many years and consider it my second home. 73 Gary -----Original Message----- From: "Brendon Whateley" <[hidden email]> Sent: 15/02/2016 7:07 AM Cc: "Elecraft Reflector Reflector" <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] abject buffoonery Guys, as a relatively new HAM, although I do have my extra, I'd like to say that I find this kind of negative discussion is really off putting. - Brendon KK6AYI On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Roger D Johnson <[hidden email]> wrote: > For an international sewer; see 20 meters! > > On 2/14/2016 12:40 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On Sun,2/14/2016 9:17 AM, John wrote: >> >>> "A third word of advice...until you have some HF miles under your belt, >>> stay away from the abject buffoonery known as 75 meters." >>> Is there a problem with one of our bands? >>> >> >> There is in much of the United States. And there has been since I was >> first licensed in 1955. 75M Phone (then it was AM) has long been a sewer. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Brings to mind an old observation of mine:
"I you ask five hams a question, you will get seven different answers and maybe a fist-fight." K4ia Buck Honor Roll 334 8BDXCC On 2/14/2016 2:22 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > The occasional rebroadcasted music, malicious jamming, whistles, jeers, political "discourse," religious extremism, blush-worthy 60-over-9 filth, and full-contact audio body slams found on 75 meters offer a bottomless pit of entertaining signals for testing new receiver designs. Given this, plus the Fifty Shades of QRN found nowhere else, as an engineer I'd really miss it. > > To be fair, there's also a large contingent of knowledgable operators to be found on this band, with expertise in SSB and AM signal quality, antennas, and amplifiers. No shortage of opinions when you need them. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > On Feb 14, 2016, at 10:43 AM, "Bob Novas" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> I'm dismayed by much of what I hear on 75. I think one of the best behaved >> bands is 17. Bob > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Hi Brendon:
Well, to quite Charles Dickens from “A Tale of two Cities”: " • It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way – in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.” In other words, just like 200 years ago, just like today. Good conversations can be found anywhere. The only reason I don’t operate 75 these days is because my HOA would not take kindly to me stringing up a permanent dipole. Don’t let the naysayers get you down… even if you encounter some doofbats on the air. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 > On Feb 14, 2016, at 4:05 PM, Brendon Whateley <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Guys, > > as a relatively new HAM, although I do have my extra, I'd like to say that > I find this kind of negative discussion is really off putting. > > - Brendon > KK6AYI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Guys, as a relatively new HAM, although I do have my extra, I'd like to say that I find this kind of negative discussion is really off putting. - Brendon KK6AYI If you think the discussion here is off-putting, wait until you encounter the phenomena in real life. As a grizzled survivor of the Southern California repeater wars of 30-35 years ago, jamming, appalling language, music, violence, even death threats, sad to say, I can tell you that not all of our brother amateurs are jolly good fellows you would be happy to entertain in your home. There are a segment of operators who are alcoholics, or psychopaths, or both. Try not to let this unavoidable fact of life put you off too much. Just enjoy what you find to be fun and ignore the bozos as best you can. 73 de W6OGC Jim Allen Sent from my iPad ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Brendon,
While there are a few whose on-the-air behavior is offensive, I have found that all the hams I deal with on a regular basis in the process of repairing Elecraft legacy gear are decent and honest. I have cordial email and sometimes phone exchanges with customers, and they are always gentlemanly. I have been repairing gear for Elecraft owners of those now legacy transceivers since 2004 and have never had a problem with payment for my services and communications with those owners has always been quite pleasant. Perhaps Elecraft owners are an 'elite' group, but for my part I find that most hams are quite the gentlemen. There are exceptions, but I believe they are in the minority. When those exceptions do appear, they seem to 'take the stage' - I count the "UP cops" and some of the conversations on 75 meter SSB or AM as some of those exceptions. Like they say "A few bad apples ..." 73, Don W3FPR On 2/14/2016 5:53 PM, Jim Allen wrote: > > Guys, > > as a relatively new HAM, although I do have my extra, I'd like to say that > I find this kind of negative discussion is really off putting. > > - Brendon > KK6AYI > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Gentlemen, what, pray tell, does this have to do with Elecraft? Moderator, PLEASE step in. Thank you.
Mel, K6KBE From: Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]> To: 'Brendon Whateley' <[hidden email]> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector Reflector' <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] abject buffoonery As a ham for over half a century (so far...), I've always found the Ham bands a lot like anywhere else: -- We tend to find what we are looking for, and -- we remember the bizarre and absurd more than the rest. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- Guys, as a relatively new HAM, although I do have my extra, I'd like to say that I find this kind of negative discussion is really off putting. - Brendon KK6AYI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Ray says it very well.
Hams are no better or worse than any other slice of humanity, I suspect. We just get to radiate it to a bigger audience than most. I don’t operate on any “phone" band (SSB, FM or AM), but I know from personal experience that similar nonsense occurs elsewhere including where I do operate - CW on 80 through 10. The intentional QRM, DQRM, especially on 20 and 15, isn’t just buffoonery - it’s malicious and it’s illegal. So far as I know there is no band plan that reserves a segment for utopia, not even the bottom 25 Khz where Extras reside. But, to access the pretext of making this subject not utterly OT, isn’t it nice to have an Elecraft rig to navigate through the reality? Ted, KN1CBR >------------------------------ > >Message: 30 >Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:21:16 -0500 >From: Ray Sills <[hidden email]> >To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <[hidden email]> >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] abject buffoonery >Message-ID: <[hidden email]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >Hi Brendon: > >Well, to quite Charles Dickens from ?A Tale of two Cities?: > > >" ? It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age >of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it >was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the >season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of >despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were >all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way ? in >short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its >noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for >evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.? > >In other words, just like 200 years ago, just like today. > >Good conversations can be found anywhere. The only reason I don?t >operate 75 these days is because my HOA would not take kindly to me >stringing up a permanent dipole. Don?t let the naysayers get you down? >even if you encounter some doofbats on the air. > >73 de Ray >K2ULR >KX3 #211 > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I really think that the discussions of bad behavior is as old as the
hobby.The correct move, like on the internet, is to not feed the trolls. Discussing at length just discourages us new guys by exaggerating haw bad things are. Let's use common sense and not empower the bad operators and trolls. Regards, - Brendon On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Jim Allen <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Guys, > > as a relatively new HAM, although I do have my extra, I'd like to say that > I find this kind of negative discussion is really off putting. > > - Brendon > KK6AYI > > If you think the discussion here is off-putting, wait until you encounter > the phenomena in real life. As a grizzled survivor of the Southern > California repeater wars of 30-35 years ago, jamming, appalling language, > music, violence, even death threats, sad to say, I can tell you that not > all of our brother amateurs are jolly good fellows you would be happy to > entertain in your home. There are a segment of operators who are > alcoholics, or psychopaths, or both. > > Try not to let this unavoidable fact of life put you off too much. Just > enjoy what you find to be fun and ignore the bozos as best you can. > > 73 de W6OGC Jim Allen > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Frankly, you are right, However, it is not constructive in any manner of thinking, for this group.
Mel, K6KBE From: Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]> To: 'Mel Farrer' <[hidden email]> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector Reflector' <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:54 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] abject buffoonery #yiv3883711252 #yiv3883711252 -- _filtered #yiv3883711252 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3883711252 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3883711252 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3883711252 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv3883711252 #yiv3883711252 p.yiv3883711252MsoNormal, #yiv3883711252 li.yiv3883711252MsoNormal, #yiv3883711252 div.yiv3883711252MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv3883711252 a:link, #yiv3883711252 span.yiv3883711252MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3883711252 a:visited, #yiv3883711252 span.yiv3883711252MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3883711252 p.yiv3883711252MsoAcetate, #yiv3883711252 li.yiv3883711252MsoAcetate, #yiv3883711252 div.yiv3883711252MsoAcetate {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv3883711252 span.yiv3883711252BalloonTextChar {}#yiv3883711252 span.yiv3883711252EmailStyle19 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv3883711252 .yiv3883711252MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv3883711252 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv3883711252 div.yiv3883711252WordSection1 {}#yiv3883711252 There is no rule that posts must address Elecraft gear. We’ve had threads on various software programs, antennas, DX-peditions, just about anything having to do with Ham radio. 73 Ron AC7AC From: Mel Farrer [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:25 PM To: Ron D'Eau Claire; 'Brendon Whateley' Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] abject buffoonery Gentlemen, what, pray tell, does this have to do with Elecraft? Moderator, PLEASE step in. Thank you. Mel, K6KBE From: Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]> To: 'Brendon Whateley' <[hidden email]> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector Reflector' <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] abject buffoonery As a ham for over half a century (so far...), I've always found the Ham bands a lot like anywhere else: -- We tend to find what we are looking for, and -- we remember the bizarre and absurd more than the rest. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- Guys, as a relatively new HAM, although I do have my extra, I'd like to say that I find this kind of negative discussion is really off putting. - Brendon KK6AYI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Old... there were even punishment tools!
http://www.w5pie.net/Lost%20Traditions.htm 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 2/14/2016 8:36 PM, Brendon Whateley wrote: > I really think that the discussions of bad behavior is as old as the > hobby.The correct move, like on the internet, is to not feed the trolls. > Discussing at length just discourages us new guys by exaggerating haw bad > things are. > > Let's use common sense and not empower the bad operators and trolls. > > Regards, > - Brendon > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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