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Dick Hanson

cw/vox/2.02

Things work as advertised now.
No cw output if have PTT selected, until PTT is switched.

Good going, Wayne et al!

Those of us who have clamored in the past to have ability when on SSB to hit
the key and be sending CW in response to a CW caller are glad about the
change made a while back.
I just now noticed tho, that if you are on SSB, and in PTT mode, and attempt
a reply to a CW station...no RF unless you switch back to VOX. Others notice
this? IOW, in SSB mode, if you depress your footswitch and hit the key,
nothing happens (in PTT mode).

73
Dick, K5AND #50

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Alexandr Kobranov

Re: K3 cw/vox/2.02

To have CW in SSB mode (if switched on in Menu) you need to have at
first VOX/QSK active in CW mode then in SSB mode you are able to send
CW just by hitting the Key. It is my experience not tested yet with 2.02

73!
L. -dst-

Dick Hanson napsal(a):

> Things work as advertised now.
> No cw output if have PTT selected, until PTT is switched.
>
> Good going, Wayne et al!
>
> Those of us who have clamored in the past to have ability when on SSB to hit
> the key and be sending CW in response to a CW caller are glad about the
> change made a while back.
> I just now noticed tho, that if you are on SSB, and in PTT mode, and attempt
> a reply to a CW station...no RF unless you switch back to VOX. Others notice
> this? IOW, in SSB mode, if you depress your footswitch and hit the key,
> nothing happens (in PTT mode).
>
> 73
> Dick, K5AND #50
>
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Ken Wagner K3IU

Re: [K3]cw/vox/2.02

In reply to this post by Dick Hanson

Hi again, Dick:

Bet you didn't think of this...

If you want to operate ssb with a foot switch PTT and have CW available
at the touch of a key, leave the K3 in VOX mode, lower the vox gain so
that vox does not operate (if you use the foot switch, you don't need
any VOX gain), then if you want to send CW in the middle of a SSB
event, simply start tapping on the paddle without asserting PTT via the
foot switch. If you hold the footswitch closed, then the CW won't send.
Of course, you have to set this up on CONFIG:CW WGHT.

It works... just tried it :-)

73,
Ken K3IU
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Dick Hanson wrote:
> I just now noticed tho, that if you are on SSB, and in PTT mode, and attempt
> a reply to a CW station...no RF unless you switch back to VOX. Others notice
> this? IOW, in SSB mode, if you depress your footswitch and hit the key,
> nothing happens (in PTT mode).
>
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Ken Kopp-3

cw/vox/PTT w/ ver 1.96/1.73

In reply to this post by Dick Hanson

Same here ... no CW TX if in SSB / PTT mode. I use a foot
switch for PTT on SSB and VOX on CW.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Mike Harris-9

Re: cw/vox/PTT w/ ver 1.96/1.73

Hi,

Unless I'm misunderstanding something it works here.

SSB - PTT mode, press paddle whilst in RX results in CW with RF output.
Interestingly this happens even if true CW mode is not set to VOX.

Is this somehow broken in v2.02? I haven't bothered to load it yet
because it doesn't offer me anything I currently need and I will let the
army of beta testers thrash it a bit.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:38 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] cw/vox/PTT w/ ver 1.96/1.73

| Same here ... no CW TX if in SSB / PTT mode. I use a foot
| switch for PTT on SSB and VOX on CW.
|
| 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP

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Alexandr Kobranov

K3: cw/vox/PTT ver 2.02 - bug

Mike,
you are right...
When you have SSB + CW active (menu:CW WGHT press "1") there is now no
conncetion between PTT/VOX mode for CW and CW sending in SSB mode.
(as it was in previous versions as I remember)
My previous messages concerning this was based on previous experience
and only very short test with 2.02. Sorry.

It is surely bug in this beta version as NO CW QSK DELAY is applied,
only RF based on Key is emitted.

The correct function is to use CW VOX/QSK setting incl. VOX CW DELAY
which is now ignored.

To avoid CW RF ins SSB or (CW keying without QSK delay) set SSB-CW
until influence of CW PTT/VOX/QSK setting will be back. Simply do not
use Auto-CW in beta 2.02 or go back with F/W.

73!
L. -dst-

Mike Harris napsal(a):

> Hi,
>
> Unless I'm misunderstanding something it works here.
>
> SSB - PTT mode, press paddle whilst in RX results in CW with RF output.
> Interestingly this happens even if true CW mode is not set to VOX.
>
> Is this somehow broken in v2.02? I haven't bothered to load it yet
> because it doesn't offer me anything I currently need and I will let the
> army of beta testers thrash it a bit.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike VP8NO
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:38 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] cw/vox/PTT w/ ver 1.96/1.73
>
>
> | Same here ... no CW TX if in SSB / PTT mode. I use a foot
> | switch for PTT on SSB and VOX on CW.
> |
> | 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
>
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Alexandr Kobranov

Re: K3: cw/vox/PTT ver 2.02 - bug?

Hello Mike,

thanks to this "problem" I am totally confused now.... :-(

Mentioned problem is maybe permanent in all previous versions, tried
1.88 now and have the same results.
If SSB+CW active there is all the time RF out in SSB mode even if CW
mode is in PTT or VOX. The difference is that if CW is in VOX/QSK then
DELAY is applied, if CW in PTT it is like FULL QSK

But IMHO if SSB mode is set to PTT and also CW mode is set to PTT
there should be NO CW RF on output without any other conditions except
PTT or XMIT or CW VOX/QSK active.(in SSB+CW)
Am I right? Or am I so rigid?
Aditonally to ensure application of CW VOX/QSK delay it (CW in SSB
mode) should be only when CW mode in VOX/QSK.

How it is possible I was fixed so long with this idea that SSB+CW is
not working without CW mode in VOX/QSK? Maybe before 1.88 it was?
SSB+CW was at 1.87 release - I have not a copy of it :-(

Sorry for used bandwidth caused by my stupidity :-)
73!
Lexa ok1dst

Alexandr Kobranov napsal(a):

> Mike,
> you are right...
> When you have SSB + CW active (menu:CW WGHT press "1") there is now no
> conncetion between PTT/VOX mode for CW and CW sending in SSB mode.
> (as it was in previous versions as I remember)
> My previous messages concerning this was based on previous experience
> and only very short test with 2.02. Sorry.
>
> It is surely bug in this beta version as NO CW QSK DELAY is applied,
> only RF based on Key is emitted.
>
> The correct function is to use CW VOX/QSK setting incl. VOX CW DELAY
> which is now ignored.
>
> To avoid CW RF ins SSB or (CW keying without QSK delay) set SSB-CW until
> influence of CW PTT/VOX/QSK setting will be back. Simply do not use
> Auto-CW in beta 2.02 or go back with F/W.
>
> 73!
> L. -dst-
>
>
> Mike Harris napsal(a):
>> Hi,
>>
>> Unless I'm misunderstanding something it works here.
>>
>> SSB - PTT mode, press paddle whilst in RX results in CW with RF
>> output. Interestingly this happens even if true CW mode is not set to
>> VOX.
>>
>> Is this somehow broken in v2.02? I haven't bothered to load it yet
>> because it doesn't offer me anything I currently need and I will let
>> the army of beta testers thrash it a bit.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mike VP8NO
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:38 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] cw/vox/PTT w/ ver 1.96/1.73
>>
>>
>> | Same here ... no CW TX if in SSB / PTT mode. I use a foot
>> | switch for PTT on SSB and VOX on CW.
>> |
>> | 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
>>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-3

RE: K3: cw/vox/PTT ver 2.02 - bug?

Lexa,

I have loaded 2.02 and do not find the problems you describe ...

If CW is set to VOX with 200 msec delay (tail) and I switch to
USB - even with VOX off in USB - and "Auto CW" enabled I get
the proper CW operation/power output and VOX delay.

They only suggestion I would make for the firmware is to force
CW VOX ON while in SSB mode if "Auto CW" is enabled. I generally
prefer PTT mode for both CW and SSB but it would be handy to
override CW PTT if Auto CW was enabled.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Alexandr Kobranov
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 4:39 PM
> To: elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: cw/vox/PTT ver 2.02 - bug?
>
>
> Hello Mike,
>
> thanks to this "problem" I am totally confused now.... :-(
>
> Mentioned problem is maybe permanent in all previous versions, tried
> 1.88 now and have the same results.
> If SSB+CW active there is all the time RF out in SSB mode even if CW
> mode is in PTT or VOX. The difference is that if CW is in
> VOX/QSK then
> DELAY is applied, if CW in PTT it is like FULL QSK
>
> But IMHO if SSB mode is set to PTT and also CW mode is set to PTT
> there should be NO CW RF on output without any other
> conditions except
> PTT or XMIT or CW VOX/QSK active.(in SSB+CW)
> Am I right? Or am I so rigid?
> Aditonally to ensure application of CW VOX/QSK delay it (CW in SSB
> mode) should be only when CW mode in VOX/QSK.
>
> How it is possible I was fixed so long with this idea that SSB+CW is
> not working without CW mode in VOX/QSK? Maybe before 1.88 it was?
> SSB+CW was at 1.87 release - I have not a copy of it :-(
>
> Sorry for used bandwidth caused by my stupidity :-)
> 73!
> Lexa ok1dst
>
>
>
> Alexandr Kobranov napsal(a):
> > Mike,
> > you are right...
> > When you have SSB + CW active (menu:CW WGHT press "1")
> there is now no
> > conncetion between PTT/VOX mode for CW and CW sending in SSB mode.
> > (as it was in previous versions as I remember)
> > My previous messages concerning this was based on previous
> experience
> > and only very short test with 2.02. Sorry.
> >
> > It is surely bug in this beta version as NO CW QSK DELAY is applied,
> > only RF based on Key is emitted.
> >
> > The correct function is to use CW VOX/QSK setting incl. VOX CW DELAY
> > which is now ignored.
> >
> > To avoid CW RF ins SSB or (CW keying without QSK delay) set SSB-CW
> > until
> > influence of CW PTT/VOX/QSK setting will be back. Simply do not use
> > Auto-CW in beta 2.02 or go back with F/W.
> >
> > 73!
> > L. -dst-
> >
> >
> > Mike Harris napsal(a):
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Unless I'm misunderstanding something it works here.
> >>
> >> SSB - PTT mode, press paddle whilst in RX results in CW with RF
> >> output. Interestingly this happens even if true CW mode is
> not set to
> >> VOX.
> >>
> >> Is this somehow broken in v2.02? I haven't bothered to load it yet
> >> because it doesn't offer me anything I currently need and
> I will let
> >> the army of beta testers thrash it a bit.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Mike VP8NO
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]>
> >> To: <[hidden email]>
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:38 PM
> >> Subject: [Elecraft] cw/vox/PTT w/ ver 1.96/1.73
> >>
> >>
> >> | Same here ... no CW TX if in SSB / PTT mode. I use a
> foot switch
> >> | for PTT on SSB and VOX on CW.
> >> |
> >> | 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
> >>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3: cw/vox/PTT ver 2.02 - bug?

In reply to this post by Alexandr Kobranov

Lexa,

I believe you are mis-interpreting What QSK DELAY does. It does *not*
increase the time before the onset of RF, but it does change the delay
after a keyup condition.

The purpose of QSK DELAY is to keep the amplifier relays held in between
code elements so one does not have to listen to the loud clacking of the
amplifier relays.

The delay of RF output after keydown is currently fixed in the K3, but
there is consideration being given to allow it to be user controlled in
the future. The adjustment range may be limited, so if you have
transverters and preamplifiers that must have a longer delay to the
onset of RF, the TX INH input would be required.

73,
Don W3FPR
Alexandr Kobranov wrote:

> Hello Mike,
>
> thanks to this "problem" I am totally confused now.... :-(
>
> Mentioned problem is maybe permanent in all previous versions, tried
> 1.88 now and have the same results.
> If SSB+CW active there is all the time RF out in SSB mode even if CW
> mode is in PTT or VOX. The difference is that if CW is in VOX/QSK then
> DELAY is applied, if CW in PTT it is like FULL QSK
>
> But IMHO if SSB mode is set to PTT and also CW mode is set to PTT
> there should be NO CW RF on output without any other conditions except
> PTT or XMIT or CW VOX/QSK active.(in SSB+CW)
> Am I right? Or am I so rigid?
> Aditonally to ensure application of CW VOX/QSK delay it (CW in SSB
> mode) should be only when CW mode in VOX/QSK.
>
> How it is possible I was fixed so long with this idea that SSB+CW is
> not working without CW mode in VOX/QSK? Maybe before 1.88 it was?
> SSB+CW was at 1.87 release - I have not a copy of it :-(
>
> Sorry for used bandwidth caused by my stupidity :-)
> 73!
> Lexa ok1dst
>
>
>
> Alexandr Kobranov napsal(a):
>> Mike,
>> you are right...
>> When you have SSB + CW active (menu:CW WGHT press "1") there is now
>> no conncetion between PTT/VOX mode for CW and CW sending in SSB mode.
>> (as it was in previous versions as I remember)
>> My previous messages concerning this was based on previous experience
>> and only very short test with 2.02. Sorry.
>>
>> It is surely bug in this beta version as NO CW QSK DELAY is applied,
>> only RF based on Key is emitted.
>>
>> The correct function is to use CW VOX/QSK setting incl. VOX CW DELAY
>> which is now ignored.
>>
>> To avoid CW RF ins SSB or (CW keying without QSK delay) set SSB-CW
>> until influence of CW PTT/VOX/QSK setting will be back. Simply do not
>> use Auto-CW in beta 2.02 or go back with F/W.
>>
>> 73!
>> L. -dst-
>>
>>
>> Mike Harris napsal(a):
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Unless I'm misunderstanding something it works here.
>>>
>>> SSB - PTT mode, press paddle whilst in RX results in CW with RF
>>> output. Interestingly this happens even if true CW mode is not set
>>> to VOX.
>>>
>>> Is this somehow broken in v2.02? I haven't bothered to load it yet
>>> because it doesn't offer me anything I currently need and I will let
>>> the army of beta testers thrash it a bit.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Mike VP8NO
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]>
>>> To: <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:38 PM
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] cw/vox/PTT w/ ver 1.96/1.73
>>>
>>>
>>> | Same here ... no CW TX if in SSB / PTT mode. I use a foot
>>> | switch for PTT on SSB and VOX on CW.
>>> |
>>> | 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
>>>
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Re: K3: cw/vox/PTT ver 2.02 - bug?

Actually, I think RF output delay was introduced in MCU 1.87 / DSP
1.69, controlled by CONFIG:TX DLY (8-20ms).

Bob NW8L

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Lexa,
>
> I believe you are mis-interpreting What QSK DELAY does. It does *not*
> increase the time before the onset of RF, but it does change the delay after
> a keyup condition.
>
> The purpose of QSK DELAY is to keep the amplifier relays held in between
> code elements so one does not have to listen to the loud clacking of the
> amplifier relays.
>
> The delay of RF output after keydown is currently fixed in the K3, but there
> is consideration being given to allow it to be user controlled in the
> future. The adjustment range may be limited, so if you have transverters
> and preamplifiers that must have a longer delay to the onset of RF, the TX
> INH input would be required.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> Alexandr Kobranov wrote:
>>
>> Hello Mike,
>>
>> thanks to this "problem" I am totally confused now.... :-(
>>
>> Mentioned problem is maybe permanent in all previous versions, tried 1.88
>> now and have the same results.
>> If SSB+CW active there is all the time RF out in SSB mode even if CW mode
>> is in PTT or VOX. The difference is that if CW is in VOX/QSK then DELAY is
>> applied, if CW in PTT it is like FULL QSK
>>
>> But IMHO if SSB mode is set to PTT and also CW mode is set to PTT there
>> should be NO CW RF on output without any other conditions except PTT or XMIT
>> or CW VOX/QSK active.(in SSB+CW)
>> Am I right? Or am I so rigid?
>> Aditonally to ensure application of CW VOX/QSK delay it (CW in SSB mode)
>> should be only when CW mode in VOX/QSK.
>>
>> How it is possible I was fixed so long with this idea that SSB+CW is not
>> working without CW mode in VOX/QSK? Maybe before 1.88 it was?
>> SSB+CW was at 1.87 release - I have not a copy of it :-(
>>
>> Sorry for used bandwidth caused by my stupidity :-)
>> 73!
>> Lexa ok1dst
>>
>>
>>
>> Alexandr Kobranov napsal(a):
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>> you are right...
>>> When you have SSB + CW active (menu:CW WGHT press "1") there is now no
>>> conncetion between PTT/VOX mode for CW and CW sending in SSB mode.
>>> (as it was in previous versions as I remember)
>>> My previous messages concerning this was based on previous experience and
>>> only very short test with 2.02. Sorry.
>>>
>>> It is surely bug in this beta version as NO CW QSK DELAY is applied, only
>>> RF based on Key is emitted.
>>>
>>> The correct function is to use CW VOX/QSK setting incl. VOX CW DELAY
>>> which is now ignored.
>>>
>>> To avoid CW RF ins SSB or (CW keying without QSK delay) set SSB-CW until
>>> influence of CW PTT/VOX/QSK setting will be back. Simply do not use Auto-CW
>>> in beta 2.02 or go back with F/W.
>>>
>>> 73!
>>> L. -dst-
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Harris napsal(a):
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Unless I'm misunderstanding something it works here.
>>>>
>>>> SSB - PTT mode, press paddle whilst in RX results in CW with RF output.
>>>> Interestingly this happens even if true CW mode is not set to VOX.
>>>>
>>>> Is this somehow broken in v2.02? I haven't bothered to load it yet
>>>> because it doesn't offer me anything I currently need and I will let the
>>>> army of beta testers thrash it a bit.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mike VP8NO
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Kopp" <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: <[hidden email]>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:38 PM
>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] cw/vox/PTT w/ ver 1.96/1.73
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> | Same here ... no CW TX if in SSB / PTT mode. I use a foot
>>>> | switch for PTT on SSB and VOX on CW.
>>>> |
>>>> | 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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Re: K3: cw/vox/PTT ver 2.02 - bug?

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-3

Joe Subich, W4TV napsal(a):

> They only suggestion I would make for the firmware is to force
> CW VOX ON while in SSB mode if "Auto CW" is enabled. I generally
> prefer PTT mode for both CW and SSB but it would be handy to
> override CW PTT if Auto CW was enabled.

Joe, THAT´S IT!

Instead of long mails as I am able to generate, you point it out in
one sentence :-)

Yes, forcing CW VOX ON in SSB mode if SSB+CW is active is very simple way.

Thanks for your input,

73!
Lexa, ok1dst

P.S.: CW VOX/QSK DELAY reffered to in my mails was about tail delay
after last character.

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Re: K3: cw/vox/PTT ver 2.02 - bug?

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

Hi Don -

I believe you are wrong here in stating that the delay of RF output after
keying is fixed in the K3. Here is an excerpt of the notes from Wayne for
the MCU 1.87, DSP 1.69 firmware update:

...
"* VARIABLE AMP KEYING DELAY: Added CONFIG:TX DLY menu entry, which sets
the time from KEY OUT jack (active low) to first RF in 1-ms steps, from 8
to 20 ms. To minimize loss of QSK speed, use the shortest delay that
works with your amp. Most will work with the default (minimum) setting of 8
ms."
...

73 - John, W4AU

At 09:31 PM 6/8/2008, Don Wilhelm wrote:

... stuff deleted ...

>The delay of RF output after keydown is currently fixed in the K3, but
>there is consideration being given to allow it to be user controlled in
>the future. The adjustment range may be limited, so if you have
>transverters and preamplifiers that must have a longer delay to the onset
>of RF, the TX INH input would be required.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR

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