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[ve3gfn]

For Bill, W5WVO ... (not the general public!).

Bill, as a "pro technical writer", perhaps you've heard of the
"dangling preposition"?

I enjoyed your comments re manuals and books - right on, brother!

However -  If I may quote the end ... "in the same choir you're
preaching to" ...

Should this not read as, "in the same choir to which you're preaching?"

I know you Yanks tend to mangle the English language, but I don't
think that, as yet, you've taken to altering the fixed rules of grammar!

73 Mike VE3GFN

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[Richard Squire - HB9ANM]

Yes, Mike, actually you are right, and this is a fact up with which we'll have to put!

73
Richard - HB9ANM

[Pete Smith N4ZR]

Mike, wasn't it Winston Churchill who described dangling prepositions as
something "up with which I will not put"?

To be serious for a moment, there are some verbs in which the addition
of the preposition results in quite a different meaning - put up versus
put up with is a good example.  I would prefer to call these compound
verbs and make an exception for them.

73, Pete N4ZR

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[David Honey]

I remember hearing Stephen Fry in a radio show talk about
prepositions at the end of sentences. He mentioned a competition to
find the most used in a sentence. The winner was a line about someone
reading a book about Australia and bringing it upstairs: "What did
you bring that book about down under up for?"
:-)

vy 73
David M0DHO


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[R Stanley Sutton]

And there is also the reply Winston Churchill gave in the House of Commons
when someone complained that Winston had ended a sentence with a
preposition: "That, Sir, is something up with which I shall not put!"

Stan KD8KBX
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[K6LMP]

We are getting 'way off topic here, but I can't resist adding a similarly constructed sentence I learned from a professor who taught English Writing courses at Pomona College.  He sets the scene with two boys walking through a cemetery on a dark night, naturally afraid what would suddenly materialize to scare them.  One boy looks down the path and observes a large bush. He observes, "That's a good bush to be jumped out from behind of at!"

Prof. Weismiller -- like most good writers -- scorned the rule that forbids ending a sentence with a preposition. The rule is an artifact of Latin, which contributes barely more than half the vocabulary of the English language and less of its grammatical structure.

I have been a journalist (ten years with Wall Street Journal) and a professional writer for almost half a century. I have never gone out of my way to rewrite a sentence so that it does not end in a preposition, and I have never had an editor perform such unnecessary surgery on my prose. The best rule is a simple one: if it sounds natural, use it!

73,

Lew K6LMP


On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:30 PM, David Honey wrote:

> I remember hearing Stephen Fry in a radio show talk about
> prepositions at the end of sentences. He mentioned a competition to
> find the most used in a sentence. The winner was a line about someone
> reading a book about Australia and bringing it upstairs: "What did
> you bring that book about down under up for?"
> :-)
>
> vy 73
> David M0DHO
>
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[Charles Allen-4]

Or, a child to her father at bedtime:  "What did you bring that book that I
didn't want to be read to out of up for?"

 

If one is to break a rule of grammar, he might as well smash it.

 

Chas W5DV

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[Jim Cox]

Yep, another Elecraft related thread with lots of life..

Jim K4JAF

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lew Phelps K6LMP" <[hidden email]>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: dangles

> We are getting 'way off topic here, but I can't resist adding a similarly
> constructed sentence I learned from a professor who taught English Writing
> courses at Pomona College.  He sets the scene with two boys walking
> through a cemetery on a dark night, naturally afraid what would suddenly
> materialize to scare them.  One boy looks down the path and observes a
> large bush. He observes, "That's a good bush to be jumped out from behind
> of at!"
>
> Prof. Weismiller -- like most good writers -- scorned the rule that
> forbids ending a sentence with a preposition. The rule is an artifact of
> Latin, which contributes barely more than half the vocabulary of the
> English language and less of its grammatical structure.
>
> I have been a journalist (ten years with Wall Street Journal) and a
> professional writer for almost half a century. I have never gone out of my
> way to rewrite a sentence so that it does not end in a preposition, and I
> have never had an editor perform such unnecessary surgery on my prose. The
> best rule is a simple one: if it sounds natural, use it!
>
> 73,
>
> Lew K6LMP
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2010, at 12:30 PM, David Honey wrote:
>
>> I remember hearing Stephen Fry in a radio show talk about
>> prepositions at the end of sentences. He mentioned a competition to
>> find the most used in a sentence. The winner was a line about someone
>> reading a book about Australia and bringing it upstairs: "What did
>> you bring that book about down under up for?"
>> :-)
>>
>> vy 73
>> David M0DHO
>>
>>
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[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

Ok - time to end this OT dangling thread. :-)

73,
Eric
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On 12/7/2010 1:27 PM, Charles Allen wrote:
> Or, a child to her father at bedtime:  "What did you bring that book that I
> didn't want to be read to out of up for?"
>
> If one is to break a rule of grammar, he might as well smash it.
>
> Chas W5DV
>
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[ve3gfn]

Ohhhh myyyyy ... did I open up a can of worms, or what?

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[Gary Gregory]

Chas,

Now that was TOO funny.....

:-)

Gary

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> Or, a child to her father at bedtime:  "What did you bring that book that I
> didn't want to be read to out of up for?"
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>
> If one is to break a rule of grammar, he might as well smash it.
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[N5GE]

Whur kin ah git me one a them danglin preposition thangs?  Mah wahfe luvs
flawers.

73,

Tom Childers
Radio Amateur N5GE
Licensed since 1976
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ARRL Life Member

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 08:28:12 -0500, Mike Goldstein <[hidden email]>  wrote:

>Bill, as a "pro technical writer", perhaps you've heard of the
>"dangling preposition"?


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