dead transistors at the K2

[afu-dg3oo]

Hi,
I am using here an K2, serialnumber about 3000 and more. Yesterday i tried to tune. The effect was: no power output at each qrg. Than i solder out the Transmittransistors 2SC1969 and checked with an ohmmeter the routes Base - Collector, Base - Emitter and Emitter - Collector. In one way Emitter - Collector i measured at each transistor an resistor about 30 ohms.
Now i do the same with drivertransistor 2SC2166 and i got the same effect. They all died! Now i checked the predrivertransistor. oh well, he is living.
But i dont know, how i killed the transistors. the cause or reason ist unknown.
Then i bought in the local elektronikshop for little money new transistors with the logo from mitsubishi. Then i called via phone the elecraft distributor in germany and he told me, that most of these transistors are fakes.
That is the situation.
DG3OO
manfred
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[OE5CSP-Chris]

<quote author="afu-dg3oo">
Hi,
I am using here an K2, serialnumber about 3000 and more. Yesterday i tried to tune. The effect was: no power output at each qrg. Than i solder out the Transmittransistors 2SC1969 and checked with an ohmmeter the routes Base - Collector, Base - Emitter and Emitter - Collector. In one way Emitter - Collector i measured at each transistor an resistor about 30 ohms.
Now i do the same with drivertransistor 2SC2166 and i got the same effect. They all died! Now i checked the predrivertransistor. oh well, he is living.
But i dont know, how i killed the transistors. the cause or reason ist unknown.
Then i bought in the local elektronikshop for little money new transistors with the logo from mitsubishi. Then i called via phone the elecraft distributor in germany and he told me, that most of these transistors are fakes.
That is the situation.
DG3OO
manfred


Lieber Manfred!

Du brauchst die original Transistoren von Elekraft.Hatte das selbe Problem wie Du!! Europäische Mitsubishi Transistoren funktionieren leider nicht!?




vy73 Chris-OE5CSP

[OE5CSP-Chris]

<quote author="OE5CSP-Chris">

afu-dg3oo wrote

Hi,
I am using here an K2, serialnumber about 3000 and more. Yesterday i tried to tune. The effect was: no power output at each qrg. Than i solder out the Transmittransistors 2SC1969 and checked with an ohmmeter the routes Base - Collector, Base - Emitter and Emitter - Collector. In one way Emitter - Collector i measured at each transistor an resistor about 30 ohms.
Now i do the same with drivertransistor 2SC2166 and i got the same effect. They all died! Now i checked the predrivertransistor. oh well, he is living.
But i dont know, how i killed the transistors. the cause or reason ist unknown.
Then i bought in the local elektronikshop for little money new transistors with the logo from mitsubishi. Then i called via phone the elecraft distributor in germany and he told me, that most of these transistors are fakes.
That is the situation.
DG3OO
manfred


Lieber Manfred!

Du brauchst die original Transistoren von Elecraft.Hatte das selbe Problem wie Du!! Europäische Mitsubishi Transistoren funktionieren leider nicht!?
Als ich die Schrauben etwas nachgezogen habe, um die Pfeifstellen wegzukriegen(ist mir nicht ganz gelungen), habe ich auch die Schrauben der Endstufentransistoren etwas zu stark angezogen(ich hätte besser vorher noch einmal das Manual nachlesen sollen),und damit die Transistoren ruiniert!Erst die original Transistoren hauchten in den K2 tx wieder Leben ein.




vy73 Chris-OE5CSP

[David Woolley (E.L)]

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> I am using here an K2, serialnumber about 3000 and more. Yesterday i
+ tried to tune. The effect was: no power output at each qrg. Than i
+ solder out the Transmittransistors 2SC1969 and checked with an ohmmeter
+ the routes Base - Collector, Base - Emitter and Emitter - Collector. In
+ one way Emitter - Collector i measured at each transistor an resistor
+ about 30 ohms.
+
> Now i do the same with drivertransistor 2SC2166 and i got the same
+ effect. They all died! Now i checked the predrivertransistor. oh well,
+ he is living.

That sounds unlikely unless you applied much more than the maximum
allowed supply voltage.

I'm not convinced that the transistors are actually dead.  If I
understand you correctly, you get a high resistance between collector
and emitter with one test polarity and about 30 ohms with the other
polarity.  My guess is that the 30 ohms happens when the emitter is
negative with respect to the collector and represents what the meter
displays as a result of the emitter base junction breaking down because
its maximum reverse bias has been exceeded.  The voltage at which
emitter base junctions zener is quite small.

 From what I've heard the most common cause of an indication of no power
output is electromagnetic pulse damage to the power sense diodes.  This
failure actually causes maximum output, but the indicated output is zero.
+

> But i dont know, how i killed the transistors. the cause or reason ist unknown.
+
> Then i bought in the local elektronikshop for little money new
+ transistors with the logo from mitsubishi. Then i called via phone the
+ elecraft distributor in germany and he told me, that most of these
+ transistors are fakes.

I'm not clear about this.  Did it work with these.  If it did, that
would indicate that the originals really were damaged, or at least some
of them where.  If its still didn't work, that would indicate that the
originals were probably OK.


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