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k1tgx

didn't make myself very clear :(

The xyl always tells me that . . . I have read through the manual several times. I was hoping, like my camera that has a myriad of menus and selections, that someone has posted suggested setups for different modes - ie ssb or cw. At this point looking at the selections available it would take weeks of operation & trial & error to set up the radio for optimum performance - at least that's what it looks like for me . . .

Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:42:41 -0600
From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX <[hidden email]>
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Yep, it's in the manual. Page 4.

73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10163

On 11/18/2015 3:27 PM, Jerry wrote:
> After some 2 months of building my shack, acquiring new gear and setting up some wire antennas I'm finally ready to turn on the rig. Is there a 'quick start guide' to get going? Any suggestions from those who know would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Tnx
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: didn't make myself very clear :(

I downloaded the manual and read it several times before I received my
K3S. I find most hams believe they can operate any old radio and don't
need to read the stinkin' manual. HA!

As to operation, your QTH & noise, your antennas, your selection of
optional filters and options, choice of mike and key or paddle will make
a difference in the way the radio is configured or set to run
specifically for you. The way it comes from the factory is about 90%
of what you'll need. You should have it on the air and getting good
reports in 1 hour or less.

Every one will have or suggest individual tweaks or preferences. Just
keep it simple, change what you need to change and resist tweaking
everything just because someone said such and such needs to be changed.
If one makes a change, I believe they should have a very good reason for
making a change and know what to expect after they make the change.
Otherwise, put it back to the value(s) it was.

The K3S is far from the "cookie cutter" radios of Kenwood, ICOM, Yaesu,
Tentec and others. It doesn't operate like those. I know, I
transitioned from one of those competitive models. There is a learning
curve. Once mastered, it is a great performing radio.

And before you change anything, download he K3 Utility and make a file
for the "Factory Configuration". You may find you need to return to
that configuration.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 11/19/2015 7:12 PM, Jerry wrote:
> The xyl always tells me that . . . I have read through the manual several times. I was hoping, like my camera that has a myriad of menus and selections, that someone has posted suggested setups for different modes - ie ssb or cw. At this point looking at the selections available it would take weeks of operation & trial & error to set up the radio for optimum performance - at least that's what it looks like for me . . .

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Re: didn't make myself very clear :(

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Is there a button or combination of buttons/actions that can re-set the K3 to the “Factory Configuration”? After years of tweaking there is strong probability that one setting is competing against another. Suggestions?

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> On Nov 19, 2015, at 8:36 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I downloaded the manual and read it several times before I received my K3S. I find most hams believe they can operate any old radio and don't need to read the stinkin' manual. HA!
>
> As to operation, your QTH & noise, your antennas, your selection of optional filters and options, choice of mike and key or paddle will make a difference in the way the radio is configured or set to run specifically for you. The way it comes from the factory is about 90% of what you'll need. You should have it on the air and getting good reports in 1 hour or less.
>
> Every one will have or suggest individual tweaks or preferences. Just keep it simple, change what you need to change and resist tweaking everything just because someone said such and such needs to be changed. If one makes a change, I believe they should have a very good reason for making a change and know what to expect after they make the change. Otherwise, put it back to the value(s) it was.
>
> The K3S is far from the "cookie cutter" radios of Kenwood, ICOM, Yaesu, Tentec and others. It doesn't operate like those. I know, I transitioned from one of those competitive models. There is a learning curve. Once mastered, it is a great performing radio.
>
> And before you change anything, download he K3 Utility and make a file for the "Factory Configuration". You may find you need to return to that configuration.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 11/19/2015 7:12 PM, Jerry wrote:
>> The xyl always tells me that . . . I have read through the manual several times. I was hoping, like my camera that has a myriad of menus and selections, that someone has posted suggested setups for different modes - ie ssb or cw. At this point looking at the selections available it would take weeks of operation & trial & error to set up the radio for optimum performance - at least that's what it looks like for me . . .
>
>
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Bob N3MNT

Re: didn't make myself very clear :(

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The radio should work out of the box just fine. As you find areas where you want to tweak a function ( ie filter width or keyer speed) read that portion of the manual. Before you know it you will be an expert. The radio is very forgiving and capable..Enjoy it while you learn it.

bhemmis

Re: didn't make myself very clear :(

A great $ 50 investment is a download of Win4K3 which makes all this K3 tweaking a breeze. Tom offers a sample download to try before buying. Works with the KX3 and on multiple computers too. No annual fee either. Buy it once !
73, Brian K3USC (since 1962)

> On Nov 19, 2015, at 9:03 PM, Bob N3MNT <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The radio should work out of the box just fine. As you find areas where you
> want to tweak a function ( ie filter width or keyer speed) read that portion
> of the manual. Before you know it you will be an expert. The radio is very
> forgiving and capable..Enjoy it while you learn it.
>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: didn't make myself very clear :(

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Jerry,

Much of what you see on this reflector is the result of personal choices
of the various operators. Each of us has our favorite settings that
have been derived from our own personal desires and operating styles.

However, the K3 (and K3S) can be used "out of the box" with its default
settings. So operate it for a while with those defaults.

Look through the options presented in the manual to get an idea about
how the K3S can be configured and you should see just how versatile it
can be in configuring it for your personal preferences.

Yes, you can ask others for their settings, but since those preferences
vary from operator to operator, you are just as good using the defaults
initially.
Over some operating time along with a review of the menu settings, you
should be able to customize the K3S to your desires. Use it as-is for a
while, and listen to the settings that others use, but more importantly,
listen to "why" they use those settings and decide whether those reasons
fit you operating preferences. We all like to think our particular
choices are "the best", but they may not apply to all. If those choices
were to apply to all, then they would be present in the default
settings. Use the defaults and then vary from them as you see fit after
some operating experience with the K3S.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/19/2015 8:12 PM, Jerry wrote:
> The xyl always tells me that . . . I have read through the manual several times. I was hoping, like my camera that has a myriad of menus and selections, that someone has posted suggested setups for different modes - ie ssb or cw. At this point looking at the selections available it would take weeks of operation & trial & error to set up the radio for optimum performance - at least that's what it looks like for me . . .
>
>
>

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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: didn't make myself very clear :(

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Jerry,

It's a great radio. It will do well even before
you "set up the radio for optimum performance" --
which is always a subjective term, anyway.

Just get it on the air and enjoy it :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 11/19/15 5:12 PM, Jerry wrote:
> The xyl always tells me that . . . I have read through the manual several times. I was hoping, like my camera that has a myriad of menus and selections, that someone has posted suggested setups for different modes - ie ssb or cw. At this point looking at the selections available it would take weeks of operation & trial & error to set up the radio for optimum performance - at least that's what it looks like for me . . .
>
>
>

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: didn't make myself very clear :(

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Tristani,

Yes, there is a combination of buttons that will set the K3 (or K3S) to
the Factory Defaults.
In the process, several calibration settings are also set to the factory
standard default values - but those values may not be the ones that
exactly match your K3S - there are calibration settings that are unique
to each K3 (K3S).
The process for EEINIT (Parameter Initialization) can be found on page
66 of the manual.
If you have saved a configuration using K3Utility prior to encountering
any problems, you can restore that configuration and the calibration
settings will also be restored. If you have not saved a configuration
when the K3S was operating properly, you will have to go through the
calibration procedures after doing an EEINIT.

Bottom line, save a configuration file on your computer when you get
your K3S and again after making any significant changes. In case of
difficulty, you can then try an EEINIT and reload the last working
configuration and you should be "good to go".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/19/2015 8:46 PM, Tristani Ramon wrote:
> Is there a button or combination of buttons/actions that can re-set the K3 to the “Factory Configuration”? After years of tweaking there is strong probability that one setting is competing against another. Suggestions?
>
>

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Bill-3

Re: didn't make myself very clear :(

The K3 is the perfect rig for everyone. Why do I say everyone? Simple,
there are so many menu choices/settings that can be made - that the rig
becomes customized to each individual. In other words, the K3 offers so
much user versatility that it amounts to thousands of individual K3 rigs
that are all different. I doubt if there are too many out there that are
identical.

The K3 is a tinkering ham's dream. So many changes can be made - none
with a soldering iron or tuning wand in hand.

Saving settings to computer files is a great idea, however, I have found
nothing that beats keeping good notes. That way you will not reinvent
the wheel some day down the road. Good notes will also rescue you from
the fire of "something went wrong."

Bill W2BLC K3-Line
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Darrell Bellerive VE7IU

Re: didn't make myself very clear :(

No, it is not perfect. There was a time when I would have loved to spend
my time playing with each and every parameter to get things just as I
want them. To tweak the settings to pull out that weak station in the
midst of the giants. But not anymore. I have found I like simplicity!

Don't get me wrong, I think the K3S is most likely the best preforming,
most configurable, and best supported radio ever made. But I would love
to have this level of performance in a boat anchor form factor. No
menus. One function per control, no pushbuttons - only toggle or rotary
switches, a single knob for each control, no concentric knobs, no turn
around and around forever controls (they need stops), etc. Where the
operating manual can be summarized on a single page and reference every
function of the radio.

And if radios are so smart now, why don't they configure themselves
dynamically? Tune in a station plagued by QRM, the radio automatically
adjusts bandwidth, notch, AGC, etc to give the clearest possible signal.
If there is noise, the radio detects the noise and automatically
switches in a noise blanker and/or noise reduction and optimizes it for
the type of noise and the signal received.

And how about self-healing and field serviceable? The radio detects a
hardware fault and seamlessly switches to a backup component. The radio
then sends a message about the fault to the service centre and a
technician is dispatched to service your radio, in your shack, at your
convenience.

Now that is closer to perfect. :-) Eric and Wayne, care to take on these
objectives for the K4?

In the meantime we will just have to make do...

73, Darrell VE7IU

On 15-11-20 04:05 AM, Bill wrote:

> The K3 is the perfect rig for everyone. Why do I say everyone? Simple,
> there are so many menu choices/settings that can be made - that the
> rig becomes customized to each individual. In other words, the K3
> offers so much user versatility that it amounts to thousands of
> individual K3 rigs that are all different. I doubt if there are too
> many out there that are identical.
>
> The K3 is a tinkering ham's dream. So many changes can be made - none
> with a soldering iron or tuning wand in hand.
>
> Saving settings to computer files is a great idea, however, I have
> found nothing that beats keeping good notes. That way you will not
> reinvent the wheel some day down the road. Good notes will also rescue
> you from the fire of "something went wrong."
>
> Bill W2BLC K3-Line
>
> --
> Darrell Bellerive
> VE7IU

Phil Wheeler-2

Re: didn't make myself very clear :(

"I have found I like simplicity!": In this hobby,
these days -- and on this email list? Surely you
jest, Darrell ;-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 11/20/15 8:50 AM, Darrell Bellerive VE7IU wrote:

> No, it is not perfect. There was a time when I
> would have loved to spend my time playing with
> each and every parameter to get things just as I
> want them. To tweak the settings to pull out
> that weak station in the midst of the giants.
> But not anymore. I have found I like simplicity!
>
> Don't get me wrong, I think the K3S is most
> likely the best preforming, most configurable,
> and best supported radio ever made. But I would
> love to have this level of performance in a boat
> anchor form factor. No menus. One function per
> control, no pushbuttons - only toggle or rotary
> switches, a single knob for each control, no
> concentric knobs, no turn around and around
> forever controls (they need stops), etc. Where
> the operating manual can be summarized on a
> single page and reference every function of the
> radio.
>
> And if radios are so smart now, why don't they
> configure themselves dynamically? Tune in a
> station plagued by QRM, the radio automatically
> adjusts bandwidth, notch, AGC, etc to give the
> clearest possible signal. If there is noise, the
> radio detects the noise and automatically
> switches in a noise blanker and/or noise
> reduction and optimizes it for the type of noise
> and the signal received.
>
> And how about self-healing and field
> serviceable? The radio detects a hardware fault
> and seamlessly switches to a backup component.
> The radio then sends a message about the fault
> to the service centre and a technician is
> dispatched to service your radio, in your shack,
> at your convenience.
>
> Now that is closer to perfect. :-) Eric and
> Wayne, care to take on these objectives for the K4?
>
> In the meantime we will just have to make do...
>
> 73, Darrell VE7IU
>
>
>
> On 15-11-20 04:05 AM, Bill wrote:
>> The K3 is the perfect rig for everyone. Why do
>> I say everyone? Simple, there are so many menu
>> choices/settings that can be made - that the
>> rig becomes customized to each individual. In
>> other words, the K3 offers so much user
>> versatility that it amounts to thousands of
>> individual K3 rigs that are all different. I
>> doubt if there are too many out there that are
>> identical.
>>
>> The K3 is a tinkering ham's dream. So many
>> changes can be made - none with a soldering
>> iron or tuning wand in hand.
>>
>> Saving settings to computer files is a great
>> idea, however, I have found nothing that beats
>> keeping good notes. That way you will not
>> reinvent the wheel some day down the road. Good
>> notes will also rescue you from the fire of
>> "something went wrong."
>>
>> Bill W2BLC K3-Line
>>
>>

Phil Hystad-3

Re: didn't make myself very clear :(

>> In the meantime we will just have to make do…

I think “…just have to make do…” with Elecraft gear is just about the best you can have with ham radio. :-)

As far as single button per function on an Elecraft type radio but using “boat anchor form factor” would result in
a radio with at least a 1000 buttons and dials on it. You would need a very physically large front panel of your boat anchor form factor radio to support all that. In this modern age of radios, I think that menus and multi-function buttons and dials is the only way to go.

Besides, I have my last boat anchor receiver, (HQ-170A) that if I don’t find a buyer, I may just give it away to
the good will in order to make room in the ham shack. I got rid of all other boat anchor equipment already. Definitely not worth the space it takes up.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Nov 20, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> "I have found I like simplicity!": In this hobby, these days -- and on this email list? Surely you jest, Darrell ;-)
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 11/20/15 8:50 AM, Darrell Bellerive VE7IU wrote:
>> No, it is not perfect. There was a time when I would have loved to spend my time playing with each and every parameter to get things just as I want them. To tweak the settings to pull out that weak station in the midst of the giants. But not anymore. I have found I like simplicity!
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, I think the K3S is most likely the best preforming, most configurable, and best supported radio ever made. But I would love to have this level of performance in a boat anchor form factor. No menus. One function per control, no pushbuttons - only toggle or rotary switches, a single knob for each control, no concentric knobs, no turn around and around forever controls (they need stops), etc. Where the operating manual can be summarized on a single page and reference every function of the radio.
>>
>> And if radios are so smart now, why don't they configure themselves dynamically? Tune in a station plagued by QRM, the radio automatically adjusts bandwidth, notch, AGC, etc to give the clearest possible signal. If there is noise, the radio detects the noise and automatically switches in a noise blanker and/or noise reduction and optimizes it for the type of noise and the signal received.
>>
>> And how about self-healing and field serviceable? The radio detects a hardware fault and seamlessly switches to a backup component. The radio then sends a message about the fault to the service centre and a technician is dispatched to service your radio, in your shack, at your convenience.
>>
>> Now that is closer to perfect. :-) Eric and Wayne, care to take on these objectives for the K4?
>>
>> In the meantime we will just have to make do...
>>
>> 73, Darrell VE7IU
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15-11-20 04:05 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> The K3 is the perfect rig for everyone. Why do I say everyone? Simple, there are so many menu choices/settings that can be made - that the rig becomes customized to each individual. In other words, the K3 offers so much user versatility that it amounts to thousands of individual K3 rigs that are all different. I doubt if there are too many out there that are identical.
>>>
>>> The K3 is a tinkering ham's dream. So many changes can be made - none with a soldering iron or tuning wand in hand.
>>>
>>> Saving settings to computer files is a great idea, however, I have found nothing that beats keeping good notes. That way you will not reinvent the wheel some day down the road. Good notes will also rescue you from the fire of "something went wrong."
>>>
>>> Bill W2BLC K3-Line
>>>
>>>
>
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Bob-2

Re: didn't make myself very clear :(

On 11/20/2015 12:29 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>>> In the meantime we will just have to make do…
> I think “…just have to make do…” with Elecraft gear is just about the best you can have with ham radio. :-)
>
> As far as single button per function on an Elecraft type radio but using “boat anchor form factor” would result in
> a radio with at least a 1000 buttons and dials on it. You would need a very physically large front panel of your boat anchor form factor radio to support all that.
Worse than that. If you could even duplicate the functionality with hollow
state devices it would be a very large operating console and with quite a few
relay type racks somewhere. Think of the early mainframe computers.

73,
Bob
K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR

> In this modern age of radios, I think that menus and multi-function buttons and dials is the only way to go.
>
> Besides, I have my last boat anchor receiver, (HQ-170A) that if I don’t find a buyer, I may just give it away to
> the good will in order to make room in the ham shack. I got rid of all other boat anchor equipment already. Definitely not worth the space it takes up.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
>
>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> "I have found I like simplicity!": In this hobby, these days -- and on this email list? Surely you jest, Darrell ;-)
>>
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>
>> On 11/20/15 8:50 AM, Darrell Bellerive VE7IU wrote:
>>> No, it is not perfect. There was a time when I would have loved to spend my time playing with each and every parameter to get things just as I want them. To tweak the settings to pull out that weak station in the midst of the giants. But not anymore. I have found I like simplicity!
>>>
>>> Don't get me wrong, I think the K3S is most likely the best preforming, most configurable, and best supported radio ever made. But I would love to have this level of performance in a boat anchor form factor. No menus. One function per control, no pushbuttons - only toggle or rotary switches, a single knob for each control, no concentric knobs, no turn around and around forever controls (they need stops), etc. Where the operating manual can be summarized on a single page and reference every function of the radio.
>>>
>>> And if radios are so smart now, why don't they configure themselves dynamically? Tune in a station plagued by QRM, the radio automatically adjusts bandwidth, notch, AGC, etc to give the clearest possible signal. If there is noise, the radio detects the noise and automatically switches in a noise blanker and/or noise reduction and optimizes it for the type of noise and the signal received.
>>>
>>> And how about self-healing and field serviceable? The radio detects a hardware fault and seamlessly switches to a backup component. The radio then sends a message about the fault to the service centre and a technician is dispatched to service your radio, in your shack, at your convenience.
>>>
>>> Now that is closer to perfect. :-) Eric and Wayne, care to take on these objectives for the K4?
>>>
>>> In the meantime we will just have to make do...
>>>
>>> 73, Darrell VE7IU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15-11-20 04:05 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>> The K3 is the perfect rig for everyone. Why do I say everyone? Simple, there are so many menu choices/settings that can be made - that the rig becomes customized to each individual. In other words, the K3 offers so much user versatility that it amounts to thousands of individual K3 rigs that are all different. I doubt if there are too many out there that are identical.
>>>>
>>>> The K3 is a tinkering ham's dream. So many changes can be made - none with a soldering iron or tuning wand in hand.
>>>>
>>>> Saving settings to computer files is a great idea, however, I have found nothing that beats keeping good notes. That way you will not reinvent the wheel some day down the road. Good notes will also rescue you from the fire of "something went wrong."
>>>>
>>>> Bill W2BLC K3-Line
>>>>
>>>>
>>

Darrell Bellerive VE7IU

Re: didn't make myself very clear :(

That's where the smarts of the radio come in. There would be no buttons
or menus for all of those features or configuration items. The radio
sets and optimizes itself. If there is QRM, the radio itself adjusts the
bandwidth, notch, agc, etc. to get the clearest signal. If there is
noise, the radio turns on the noise blanker and/or noise reduction and
finds the best setting for the type of noise and the signal desired.

It would all be automatic. The radio would set the mode, split
frequency, etc all by itself. It would know what the signal is, and set
itself up accordingly. If the DX station announced it was listening up
2, the radio would automatically set the TX up 2.

So very few controls would actually be needed. Come to think of it, an
operator wouldn't even be needed!

Okay, so now I am thinking this silliness of mine is getting out of
hand. Back under my rock, I go...

73, Darrell VE7IU

On 15-11-20 01:35 PM, Bob wrote:

>
>
> On 11/20/2015 12:29 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>>>> In the meantime we will just have to make do…
>> I think “…just have to make do…” with Elecraft gear is just about the
>> best you can have with ham radio. :-)
>>
>> As far as single button per function on an Elecraft type radio but
>> using “boat anchor form factor” would result in
>> a radio with at least a 1000 buttons and dials on it. You would need
>> a very physically large front panel of your boat anchor form factor
>> radio to support all that.
> Worse than that. If you could even duplicate the functionality with
> hollow state devices it would be a very large operating console and
> with quite a few relay type racks somewhere. Think of the early
> mainframe computers.
>
> 73,
> Bob
> K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR
>> In this modern age of radios, I think that menus and multi-function
>> buttons and dials is the only way to go.
>>
>> Besides, I have my last boat anchor receiver, (HQ-170A) that if I
>> don’t find a buyer, I may just give it away to
>> the good will in order to make room in the ham shack. I got rid of
>> all other boat anchor equipment already. Definitely not worth the
>> space it takes up.
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> "I have found I like simplicity!": In this hobby, these days -- and
>>> on this email list? Surely you jest, Darrell ;-)
>>>
>>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>>
>>> On 11/20/15 8:50 AM, Darrell Bellerive VE7IU wrote:
>>>> No, it is not perfect. There was a time when I would have loved to
>>>> spend my time playing with each and every parameter to get things
>>>> just as I want them. To tweak the settings to pull out that weak
>>>> station in the midst of the giants. But not anymore. I have found I
>>>> like simplicity!
>>>>
>>>> Don't get me wrong, I think the K3S is most likely the best
>>>> preforming, most configurable, and best supported radio ever made.
>>>> But I would love to have this level of performance in a boat anchor
>>>> form factor. No menus. One function per control, no pushbuttons -
>>>> only toggle or rotary switches, a single knob for each control, no
>>>> concentric knobs, no turn around and around forever controls (they
>>>> need stops), etc. Where the operating manual can be summarized on a
>>>> single page and reference every function of the radio.
>>>>
>>>> And if radios are so smart now, why don't they configure themselves
>>>> dynamically? Tune in a station plagued by QRM, the radio
>>>> automatically adjusts bandwidth, notch, AGC, etc to give the
>>>> clearest possible signal. If there is noise, the radio detects the
>>>> noise and automatically switches in a noise blanker and/or noise
>>>> reduction and optimizes it for the type of noise and the signal
>>>> received.
>>>>
>>>> And how about self-healing and field serviceable? The radio detects
>>>> a hardware fault and seamlessly switches to a backup component. The
>>>> radio then sends a message about the fault to the service centre
>>>> and a technician is dispatched to service your radio, in your
>>>> shack, at your convenience.
>>>>
>>>> Now that is closer to perfect. :-) Eric and Wayne, care to take on
>>>> these objectives for the K4?
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime we will just have to make do...
>>>>
>>>> 73, Darrell VE7IU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15-11-20 04:05 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>> The K3 is the perfect rig for everyone. Why do I say everyone?
>>>>> Simple, there are so many menu choices/settings that can be made -
>>>>> that the rig becomes customized to each individual. In other
>>>>> words, the K3 offers so much user versatility that it amounts to
>>>>> thousands of individual K3 rigs that are all different. I doubt if
>>>>> there are too many out there that are identical.
>>>>>
>>>>> The K3 is a tinkering ham's dream. So many changes can be made -
>>>>> none with a soldering iron or tuning wand in hand.
>>>>>
>>>>> Saving settings to computer files is a great idea, however, I have
>>>>> found nothing that beats keeping good notes. That way you will not
>>>>> reinvent the wheel some day down the road. Good notes will also
>>>>> rescue you from the fire of "something went wrong."
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill W2BLC K3-Line
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>

--
Darrell Bellerive
VE7IU

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Bill W4ZV

Re: didn't make myself very clear :(

"So very few controls would actually be needed. Come to think of it, an
operator wouldn't even be needed!"

BINGO! And how much fun would that be? Which is exactly why I don't care for the computer-to-computer modes.

73, Bill W4ZV

Phil Wheeler-2

Re: didn't make myself very clear :(

But Bill, this email list is the ultimate
computer-to-computer mode. Well not really: No
mechanism, here at least, for sending canned
messages by hitting function keys :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 11/21/15 2:05 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> "So very few controls would actually be needed. Come to think of it, an
> operator wouldn't even be needed!"
>
> BINGO! And how much fun would that be? Which is exactly why I don't care
> for the computer-to-computer modes.
>
> 73, Bill W4ZV
>
>

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