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Earlier today all email delivered by way of the Elecraft list started
coming with the "To" field set to me, and the "CC" field set to: "Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]>". Is anybody else seeing this? Or is it just me? If this is the new norm was an announcement made? If so I missed it. -- 73, Rod N0RC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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From: "Rod N0RC" <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 9:20 PM Subject: [Elecraft] email reflector headers glitch or "feature" > Earlier today all email delivered by way of the Elecraft list started > coming with the "To" field set to me, and the "CC" field set to: > "Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]>". Is anybody else > seeing this? Or is it just me? I'm seeing that. Hadn't noticed it since I have my filters set for To as well as CC. Looks like around 9AM eastern. 72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.net/wb8rcr didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Well, I for one would never have noticed the change if my attention had not
been directed to it. Can't see it makes a whole lot of difference..... Jim W4ATK K2/100 4028 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In general, To and From headers shouldn't be used to filter list traffic. Properly used, neither will contain information which can uniquely identify a message as coming from a list.
Most modern list servers add specific headers suited to identifying messages coming via the list. In this case, the best header to filter on is probably: List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft.mailman.qth.net> At 09:20 PM 8/1/2004, Rod N0RC wrote... >Earlier today all email delivered by way of the Elecraft list started >coming with the "To" field set to me, and the "CC" field set to: >"Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]>". Is anybody else >seeing this? Or is it just me? > >If this is the new norm was an announcement made? If so I missed it. > >-- >73, Rod N0RC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Sunday 01 August 2004 21:37, Mike S wrote:
> In general, To and From headers shouldn't be used to filter list traffic. > Properly used, neither will contain information which can uniquely identify > a message as coming from a list. > Yeah, you could end up sending it directly to somebody that hadn't even posted on this thread. Can't figure how that happened. -- John W2AGN http://w2agn.net _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Using SBCGlobal.net mail, before when I hit reply to a thread, it only
addressed the 'reflector'. Now this reply is going to the 'reflector' and whoever's message I'm replyig to. In this case, one direct to John (W2AGN) and the 2nd message thru the reflector..... He will get 2 eMails of the same reply.... I've never seen a reflector addressed like this. ... I also vote no... Also, all the art-w6ky mail is mixed in with the EleCraft mail. 73, Art W6KY W2AGN <[hidden email]> wrote: On Sunday 01 August 2004 21:37, Mike S wrote: > In general, To and From headers shouldn't be used to filter list traffic. > Properly used, neither will contain information which can uniquely identify > a message as coming from a list. > Yeah, you could end up sending it directly to somebody that hadn't even posted on this thread. Can't figure how that happened. -- John W2AGN http://w2agn.net _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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It appears the owners of the Elecraft list have done more than change its
name. They are also rejecting messages which never before were considered spam. I think QTH net is going the way of Monty Python: spam, spam, spam, spam, eggs and spam. On'y a 'ittle rat in it. Maybe things will straighten out by Monday. Kevin. KD5ONS On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:45:09 -0700 (PDT), Art-W6KY <[hidden email]> wrote: > Using SBCGlobal.net mail, before when I hit reply to a thread, it only > addressed the 'reflector'. Now this reply is going to the 'reflector' and > whoever's message I'm replyig to. In this case, one direct to > John (W2AGN) and the 2nd message thru the reflector..... He will get > 2 eMails of the same reply.... > I've never seen a reflector addressed like this. ... I also vote no... > Also, all the art-w6ky mail is mixed in with the EleCraft mail. > 73, Art W6KY > > W2AGN <[hidden email]> wrote: > On Sunday 01 August 2004 21:37, Mike S wrote: >> In general, To and From headers shouldn't be used to filter list >> traffic. >> Properly used, neither will contain information which can uniquely >> identify >> a message as coming from a list. >> > > Yeah, you could end up sending it directly to somebody that hadn't even > posted > on this thread. Can't figure how that happened. > -- _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I have Outlook set to put anything with [Elecraft] in the subject line into
the "Elecraft" message folder. That word is consistent, no matter what changes in the address fields. To avoid sending out duplicate messages, the new format requires me to delete the "TO" address, then copy and paste the CC to the list into the TO field, since the TO field must be populated to send the message. Not very "friendly" I must say. The reverse would be much better - list as the TO default and a cc to the original poster that could be erased if not wanted. Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- In general, To and From headers shouldn't be used to filter list traffic. Properly used, neither will contain information which can uniquely identify a message as coming from a list. Most modern list servers add specific headers suited to identifying messages coming via the list. In this case, the best header to filter on is probably: L _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Folks,
I have not really seen a difference, but after looking the headers have changed. I filter on [Elecraft] in the subject line and that has worked well for me. 73, Don W3FPR ----- Original Message ----- > In general, To and From headers shouldn't be used to filter list traffic. Properly used, neither will contain information which can uniquely identify a message as coming from a list. > > Most modern list servers add specific headers suited to identifying messages coming via the list. In this case, the best header to filter on is probably: > > List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft.mailman.qth.net> > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Eric will sort this out when he returns on Monday. Sorry for any
confusion. Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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At 11:28 PM 8/1/2004, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote...
>I have Outlook set to put anything with [Elecraft] in the subject line into >the "Elecraft" message folder. That word is consistent, no matter what >changes in the address fields. Consistent, yes. It is also ambiguous. It does not uniquely identify a message as coming from the list. If someone does a private (off-list) reply to one of your messages, a filter built on such a criteria will end up sorting it in with list traffic. I've seen a few embarrassing messages appear on lists as a result of this (responses to private messages ending up on a list). There is a unique header which is present on all messages coming from the list server used by Elecraft, which has been available since at least 2001: "List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft.mailman.qth.net>" Depending upon your MUA, "Elecraft" in header "List-Id: or "List-Id: Elecraft" in headers should be sufficient to unambiguously identify a message as coming from this discussion list. I don't know if Elecraft has other lists (a beta tester one, perhaps), but if so, a longer string may be needed to uniquely identify each for anyone on multiple lists. For MS Lookout, a rule such as "Apply this rule after the message arrives with List-ID: Elecraft in the message header" should work. Mike _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] email reflector headers glitch or "feature" > To avoid sending out duplicate messages, the new format requires me to > delete the "TO" address, then copy and paste the CC to the list into the TO > field, since the TO field must be populated to send the message. > > Not very "friendly" I must say. The reverse would be much better - list as > the TO default and a cc to the original poster that could be erased if not > wanted. I agree, the reverse would have been much more friendly. In fact, I have never seen a reflector behave as you describe, but it would be close to ideal. It is interesting that this isn't occurring on the other reflectors at qth. To tell the truth, I'm a little surprised that there is that much flexibility on a per list basis. 72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.net/wb8rcr didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Monday 02 August 2004 08:14, John J. McDonough wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]> > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] email reflector headers glitch or "feature" > > > To avoid sending out duplicate messages, the new format requires me to > > delete the "TO" address, then copy and paste the CC to the list into the > > TO > > > field, since the TO field must be populated to send the message. > > > > Not very "friendly" I must say. The reverse would be much better - list > > as the TO default and a cc to the original poster that could be erased if > > not wanted. > > I agree, the reverse would have been much more friendly. In fact, I have > never seen a reflector behave as you describe, but it would be close to > ideal. It is interesting that this isn't occurring on the other reflectors > at qth. To tell the truth, I'm a little surprised that there is that much > flexibility on a per list basis. Note that even though this was not a reply to a meswsage I sent to the list, I received it adressed to me, as well as the list. Reply-To: "John J. McDonough" <[hidden email]> Cc: Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]> List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft.mailman.qth.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft> List-Post: <mailto:[hidden email]> List-Help: <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=subscribe> To: [hidden email] Sender: elecraft-bounces+w2agn=[hidden email] Errors-To: elecraft-bounces+w2agn=[hidden email] Something is wrong in River City..errr, Altos,..... or wherever QTH.NET is. -- John W2AGN http://w2agn.net _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Mike,
I didn't say a thing about filters. But since you brought it up--Not all email clients are capable of isolating an email header such as "List-Id". So "To:", "CC:", "Subject:", possibly others, used alone or in combination, remain a more practical solution for most. For example in Outlook express I have a dozen or so filters: 1. mail sent "To:" n0rc@.... gets flagged and highlighted nothing more 2. mail from elecraft is IDed by "To:" and "Subject:" content, then sent to a folder (was "Subject:" only, that's how I noticed the change) ... Careful crafting of the rule, and proper positioning in the rule list makes everything happen just the way I want. -- 73, Rod N0RC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike S" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Cc: "Elecraft Discussion List" <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] email reflector headers glitch or "feature" > In general, To and From headers shouldn't be used to filter list traffic. Properly used, neither will contain information which can uniquely identify a message as coming from a list. > > Most modern list servers add specific headers suited to identifying messages coming via the list. In this case, the best header to filter on is probably: > > List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft.mailman.qth.net> > > > At 09:20 PM 8/1/2004, Rod N0RC wrote... > >Earlier today all email delivered by way of the Elecraft list started > >coming with the "To" field set to me, and the "CC" field set to: > >"Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]>". Is anybody else > >seeing this? Or is it just me? > > > >If this is the new norm was an announcement made? If so I missed it. > > > >-- > >73, Rod N0RC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Hmmmm... I went back and checked the original message I sent to the list and
was addressed ONLY to: Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]> Really odd that somehow you got a personal reply too!! This just goes to reinforce my belief that the most challenging computer game ever invented was the personal computer itself. Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces+rondec=[hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-bounces+rondec=[hidden email]] On Behalf Of W2AGN Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 5:43 AM To: [hidden email] Cc: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] email reflector headers glitch or "feature" On Monday 02 August 2004 08:14, John J. McDonough wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]> > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] email reflector headers glitch or "feature" > > > To avoid sending out duplicate messages, the new format requires me > > to delete the "TO" address, then copy and paste the CC to the list > > into the... Note that even though this was not a reply to a meswsage I sent to the list, I received it adressed to me, as well as the list. Reply-To: "John J. McDonough" <[hidden email]> Cc: Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]> List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft.mailman.qth.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft> List-Post: <mailto:[hidden email]> List-Help: <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=subscribe> To: [hidden email] Sender: elecraft-bounces+w2agn=[hidden email] Errors-To: elecraft-bounces+w2agn=[hidden email] Something is wrong in River City..errr, Altos,..... or wherever QTH.NET is. -- John W2AGN http://w2agn.net _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In your list administration options, you will find:
Avoid duplicate copies of messages? When you are listed explicitly in the To: or Cc: headers of a list message, you can opt to not receive another copy from the mailing list. Select Yes to avoid receiving copies from the mailing list; select No to receive copies. If the list has member personalized messages enabled, and you elect to receive copies, every copy will have a X-Mailman-Copy: yes header added to it. It appears that "member personalized messages" is enabled, however, as list admin for another mailman list, I can't seem to find that option. Both are running Mailman 2.1.4 At 8/2/2004 10:44 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: >Hmmmm... I went back and checked the original message I sent to the list and >was addressed ONLY to: Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]> > >Really odd that somehow you got a personal reply too!! > >This just goes to reinforce my belief that the most challenging computer >game ever invented was the personal computer itself. > >Ron AC7AC > >-----Original Message----- >From: elecraft-bounces+rondec=[hidden email] >[mailto:elecraft-bounces+rondec=[hidden email]] On Behalf Of >W2AGN >Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 5:43 AM >To: [hidden email] >Cc: Elecraft Discussion List >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] email reflector headers glitch or "feature" > > >On Monday 02 August 2004 08:14, John J. McDonough wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]> >> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] email reflector headers glitch or "feature" >> >> > To avoid sending out duplicate messages, the new format requires me >> > to delete the "TO" address, then copy and paste the CC to the list >> > into the... > > > >Note that even though this was not a reply to a meswsage I sent to the list, >I >received it adressed to me, as well as the list. > >Reply-To: "John J. McDonough" <[hidden email]> >Cc: Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]> >List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft.mailman.qth.net> >List-Unsubscribe: <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>, > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> >List-Archive: <http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft> >List-Post: <mailto:[hidden email]> >List-Help: <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=help> >List-Subscribe: <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft>, > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=subscribe> >To: [hidden email] >Sender: elecraft-bounces+w2agn=[hidden email] >Errors-To: elecraft-bounces+w2agn=[hidden email] > > >Something is wrong in River City..errr, Altos,..... or wherever QTH.NET is. > >-- >John W2AGN >http://w2agn.net _______________________________________________ > > >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: [hidden email] >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Ron,
When the email you send is received by the reflector software, that software manipulates the email headers, and the message is forwarded on. A crude analogy would be how the ionosphere reflects HF radio signals. Hope that helps :-) -- 73, Rod N0RC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Cc: "Elecraft Discussion List" <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] email reflector headers glitch or "feature" Hmmmm... I went back and checked the original message I sent to the list and was addressed ONLY to: Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]> Really odd that somehow you got a personal reply too!! This just goes to reinforce my belief that the most challenging computer game ever invented was the personal computer itself. Ron AC7AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Thank you, Mike, for the solution to the problem, at least in my
environment! For readers who may not know how to apply your insight, here are some hints. (Experts may delete this message now.) I use Mozilla V1.6 as my mail user interface program. In this program, Message Filters management is accessible through the Tools menu in the main list display (not in a message display window). Each filter is defined as a set of criteria and actions. The criteria compare a message header field to a value. The message header field comes from a pull-down list of things like "To" or "Subject" and this is where the novice might get blocked because the field type "List-Id" does not appear in the default list of field types. However, there is a selection called "Customize" which you can click to request a dialog box that lets you Add a new field name. You type in List-Id (no colon) and then it appears in the field name pull-down list. Now you can create a filter item that says essentially "If List-Id contains Elecraft, then Move Message to My Elecraft Folder." If someone replies both to you and the list, then one copy will get filtered to your Elecraft folder and the other to your favored destination for personal email. Note that Mozilla processes filters in the order they are listed until one is successful. It takes the specified action and ignores further filter specs. You can reorder the list with Move Up / Move Down buttons next to the list. If you care: Mozilla has some quirks that made the discovery process for the above a little tricky. There are lots of headers in typical email. You have to turn on View/Headers/All in order to view all but the most common headers. List-Id appears pretty far down the display of All Headers and Mozilla 1.6 truncates header display to a fixed length, too short to for List-Id to be displayed. File/Save As a text file doesn't help because it doen't save any headers. However, if you forward the message to yourself while viewing All Headers, the copy you receive will show all the headers from the original, albeit in an unnecessarily fancy format. You don't need to know this to apply the technique in the previous paragraph but if you want to do similar research into headers it might help. GL & 73, /Rick N6XI Mike S wrote: >There is a unique header which is present on all messages coming from the list server used by Elecraft, which has been available since at least 2001: > > "List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft.mailman.qth.net>" > >Depending upon your MUA, "Elecraft" in header "List-Id: or "List-Id: Elecraft" in headers should be sufficient to unambiguously identify a message as coming from this discussion list. > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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It does work as you suggest. But I had personal email today from two people with Elecraft in their header ;-) and it went to the Elecraft folder rather than my personal inbox because the To: field is rwmcgwier@MYISP rather than Elecraft Discussion List. Before I filtered on "Elecraft in the header except when sent directly to you". It is just less versatile. Bob -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces+rwmcgwier=[hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-bounces+rwmcgwier=[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Mike S Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 10:43 AM To: [hidden email] Cc: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering list traffic properly At 11:28 PM 8/1/2004, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote... >I have Outlook set to put anything with [Elecraft] in the subject line into >the "Elecraft" message folder. That word is consistent, no matter what >changes in the address fields. Consistent, yes. It is also ambiguous. It does not uniquely identify a message as coming from the list. If someone does a private (off-list) reply to one of your messages, a filter built on such a criteria will end up sorting it in with list traffic. I've seen a few embarrassing messages appear on lists as a result of this (responses to private messages ending up on a list). There is a unique header which is present on all messages coming from the list server used by Elecraft, which has been available since at least 2001: "List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List <elecraft.mailman.qth.net>" Depending upon your MUA, "Elecraft" in header "List-Id: or "List-Id: Elecraft" in headers should be sufficient to unambiguously identify a message as coming from this discussion list. I don't know if Elecraft has other lists (a beta tester one, perhaps), but if so, a longer string may be needed to uniquely identify each for anyone on multiple lists. For MS Lookout, a rule such as "Apply this rule after the message arrives with List-ID: Elecraft in the message header" should work. Mike _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Ron D'Eau Claire-2
THAT IS THE ISSUE!!!!!!!!
They have changed the headers coming from the Elecraft group SO THAT EVERY MESSAGE IS PERSONALLY SENT "TO: YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESS". You cannot tell if it is a personal message or a group message easily. It is awful. Bob -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces+rwmcgwier=[hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-bounces+rwmcgwier=[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 2:44 PM To: [hidden email] Cc: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: RE: [Elecraft] email reflector headers glitch or "feature" Hmmmm... I went back and checked the original message I sent to the list and was addressed ONLY to: Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]> Really odd that somehow you got a personal reply too!! This just goes to reinforce my belief that the most challenging computer game ever invented was the personal computer itself. Ron AC7AC Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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