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Re: email reflector headers glitch or "feature"
 
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How are we to tell when there is a personal message to us instead of the
usual message to the Reflector? I find this new, improved (?????) version of the mailing system to be far less than optimal. Kevin. KD5ONS On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:41:37 -0000, Robert McGwier <[hidden email]> wrote: > THAT IS THE ISSUE!!!!!!!! > > They have changed the headers coming from the Elecraft group SO THAT > EVERY MESSAGE IS PERSONALLY SENT "TO: YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESS". > You cannot tell if it is a personal message or a group message easily. > > It is awful. > > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces+rwmcgwier=[hidden email] > [mailto:elecraft-bounces+rwmcgwier=[hidden email]]On Behalf > Of Ron D'Eau Claire > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 2:44 PM > To: [hidden email] > Cc: Elecraft Discussion List > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] email reflector headers glitch or "feature" > > > Hmmmm... I went back and checked the original message I sent to the list > and > was addressed ONLY to: Elecraft Discussion List > <[hidden email]> > > Really odd that somehow you got a personal reply too!! > > This just goes to reinforce my belief that the most challenging computer > game ever invented was the personal computer itself. > > Ron AC7AC > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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At 09:54 PM 8/2/2004, Kevin Rock wrote...
>How are we to tell when there is a personal message to us instead of the usual message to the Reflector? I find this new, improved (?????) version of the mailing system to be far less than optimal. It's apparently been changed back to the way it was, but in answer to your question, it's a simple matter of doing things in the correct manner. From:, To: and Subject: headers are, in general, unreliable and/or ambiguous indicators of the proximate message source. If a user sends a message to both the list and another user, then the recipient will get two copies via different routes. By "proximate source," I mean to differentiate between a message received directly and one received via the list server. One possible method of reliable filtering has already been given. There are others. You need to identify and use a header which is unique to the proximate source. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: email reflector headers glitch or "feature"
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I don't think it is the "way is was" because I'm still getting two of
everything. I didn't before and I haven't changed a thing at this end. Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mike S Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:23 PM To: [hidden email] Cc: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] email reflector headers glitch or "feature" At 09:54 PM 8/2/2004, Kevin Rock wrote... >How are we to tell when there is a personal message to us instead of >the usual message to the Reflector? I find this new, improved (?????) >version of the mailing system to be far less than optimal. It's apparently been changed back to the way it was, but in answer to your question, it's a simple matter of doing things in the correct manner. From:, To: and Subject: headers are, in general, unreliable and/or ambiguous indicators of the proximate message source. If a user sends a message to both the list and another user, then the recipient will get two copies via different routes. By "proximate source," I mean to differentiate between a message received directly and one received via the list server. One possible method of reliable filtering has already been given. There are others. You need to identify and use a header which is unique to the proximate source. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: email reflector headers glitch or "feature"
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Ron, I am replying to the original you just sent. I am using SBC Yahoo mail
and before when I hit the reply to all, the only address in the TO: (of my reply) was 'Elecraft Discussion List'<yada yada>. Now a normal 'reply to all' and one message is sent to you and one to the list. 'YOU get 2, everyone else gets 1. In other words "It's Still Broke"....in the sense that you don't have to fiddle around with a reply by removing the eMail address of the person you are replying to. Hell, I can't even understand what I just typed. Think I will wind some toroids to calm down...... 73, Art W6KY Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]> wrote: I don't think it is the "way is was" because I'm still getting two of everything. I didn't before and I haven't changed a thing at this end. Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Mike S Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:23 PM To: [hidden email] Cc: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] email reflector headers glitch or "feature" At 09:54 PM 8/2/2004, Kevin Rock wrote... >How are we to tell when there is a personal message to us instead of >the usual message to the Reflector? I find this new, improved (?????) >version of the mailing system to be far less than optimal. It's apparently been changed back to the way it was, but in answer to your question, it's a simple matter of doing things in the correct manner. From:, To: and Subject: headers are, in general, unreliable and/or ambiguous indicators of the proximate message source. If a user sends a message to both the list and another user, then the recipient will get two copies via different routes. By "proximate source," I mean to differentiate between a message received directly and one received via the list server. One possible method of reliable filtering has already been given. There are others. You need to identify and use a header which is unique to the proximate source. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Rod N0RC
I've not been getting much DX recently. Do you think there is a bug in the
ionosphere? Who should I complain to? 73, -- Julian, G4ILO. (RSGB, ARRL, G-QRP, K2 #392) G4ILO's Shack: http://www.qsl.net/g4ilo "Rod N0RC" <[hidden email]> wrote: Ron, When the email you send is received by the reflector software, that software manipulates the email headers, and the message is forwarded on. A crude analogy would be how the ionosphere reflects HF radio signals. Hope that helps :-) -- 73, Rod N0RC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: email reflector headers glitch or "feature"
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In reply to this post by Robert McGwier
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:41:37 -0000, Robert McGwier wrote:
>You cannot tell if it is a personal message or a group message easily. Easy solution. Set the filter to look for [Elecraft] in the Subject or Header (that is, include the brackets). My email software has been set that way for as long as I've been on the list, and it works fine. No changes when the distribution changed -- my Elecraft list mail still goes into my Elecraft box. Jim K9YC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
RE: email reflector headers glitch or "feature"
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In reply to this post by Rod N0RC
Hi,
I get "elecraft-bounces..." in the "From" in all my Elecraft email. My subscription gets disabled for excessive bounces. I asked our sysadmin and he says there is nothing he can do. We changed our exchange server when we were acquired by a larger company, and that's when the problem started. Anyone else have this problem? Dan KF4KKF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces+daniel.pawlak=[hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-bounces+daniel.pawlak=[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 9:20 PM To: Pawlak, Daniel Cc: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] email reflector headers glitch or "feature" Earlier today all email delivered by way of the Elecraft list started coming with the "To" field set to me, and the "CC" field set to: "Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]>". Is anybody else seeing this? Or is it just me? If this is the new norm was an announcement made? If so I missed it. -- 73, Rod N0RC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: email reflector headers glitch or "feature"
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That is a normal header line (actually the first line of the header),
which is usually not displayed by mail-reading programs (MUAs). It does not indicate that the message is bouncing Bob, N7XY On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 09:57:08AM -0400, [hidden email] wrote: > Hi, > I get "elecraft-bounces..." in the "From" in all my Elecraft > email. My subscription gets disabled for excessive bounces. I asked our > sysadmin and he says there is nothing he can do. We changed our exchange > server when we were acquired by a larger company, and that's when the > problem started. Anyone else have this problem? > Dan KF4KKF > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces+daniel.pawlak=[hidden email] > [mailto:elecraft-bounces+daniel.pawlak=[hidden email]] On > Behalf Of [hidden email] > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 9:20 PM > To: Pawlak, Daniel > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] email reflector headers glitch or "feature" > > Earlier today all email delivered by way of the Elecraft list started > coming with the "To" field set to me, and the "CC" field set to: > "Elecraft Discussion List <[hidden email]>". Is anybody else > seeing this? Or is it just me? > > If this is the new norm was an announcement made? If so I missed it. > > -- > 73, Rod N0RC > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- Bob Nielsen, N7XY n7xy (at) n7xy.net Bainbridge Island, WA http://www.n7xy.net _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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