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k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

Hello Elecraft,

Hello Don,

I had the pll working before I did phase 3 and put the ssb board in.

It was working great, now it isn't. I thought I would run a quick
voltage test before continuing. Now the pll freq is 0.000

I reviewed the test results and re-tinned T5 just to ensure good
conductivity.

When I ran the resistance checks the base resistence of Q6 was at
372 ohms not 100-140 as the book says.

the unit turns on draws 0.24 amps

0.22 without the ssb board in.

Why would the pll circuit just quit working, would q20 have anything
to do with it?

The voltages at q18 are a bit high.

I had the pll vol

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

Foxjazz,

Do you have a real name and a call? We here on the Elecraft reflector
certainly would like to know if you do.

Q6 on what board has the bad resistance reading? The Q6 on the RF board
has nothing to do with your PLL problem.

Is it at TP3 that you are getting a reading of 0.00 kHz? If not, let's
start from there. The most likely source of no reading at TP3 is a
problem with RF Board Q19. And the problem wiht Q19 is most likely
soldering somewhere in that circuit. Turn to the schematic for the RF
board sheet 1 and look in the upper left quadrant (up to but not
including U4) to identify all the components associated with the PLL
Reference Oscillator. Check the resistance from the source of Q19 to
ground - it should be close to 270 ohms - if it is higher, check the
lead tinning of RFC14.

You may have a solder bridge on the thermistor board (notice on the
schematic that it is one of the components associated with the PLL Ref
Osc). Make a quick check - the voltage on pin 5 of RF Board U6 should
be very close to 1/2 the voltage on the 8 volt rail (check that at U6
pin 8).

Have you checked to be certain the counter probe is still working
properly? To check that, put the probe into TP2 to read the BFO
frequency. If that also reads 0000.00, you have a problem either with
the probe or Control Board Q9 and/or Q10.

Please be specific so we can help you better without creating a 'wild
goose chase'.

73,
Don W3FPR

Foxjazz wrote:

> Hello Elecraft,
>
> Hello Don,
>
>
> I had the pll working before I did phase 3 and put the ssb board in.
>
> It was working great, now it isn't. I thought I would run a quick
> voltage test before continuing. Now the pll freq is 0.000
>
> I reviewed the test results and re-tinned T5 just to ensure good
> conductivity.
>
> When I ran the resistance checks the base resistence of Q6 was at
> 372 ohms not 100-140 as the book says.
>
> the unit turns on draws 0.24 amps
>
> 0.22 without the ssb board in.
>
> Why would the pll circuit just quit working, would q20 have anything
> to do with it?
>
> The voltages at q18 are a bit high.
>
>
>
>
>
> I had the pll vol
>
>
>

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

In reply to this post by n0xdb

Foxjazz,

(Eric may chastise me for this post because he, not I, is the list
"policeman", but I will do it anyway).

OK, I have learned from another ham here on the reflector that you do
have a call and I looked up your name on QRZ.com. N0XDB - Joseph T.
Dickerson III.
Would you please use it on your subsequent emails to the reflector? It
will make you seem more like a human and a ham as opposed to some troll
or someone who wants to remain anonymous.

In addition, I notice that you start your emails with "Hello
Elecraft,". We here on the Elecraft reflector are *not* Elecraft. We
are a group of Elecraft owners, or prospective Elecraft owners. Many of
us are willing to help you as best we can, but we are certainly not the
official Elecraft support organization. If you wish to reach Elecraft
support, the proper email is [hidden email], and if you wish to
reach sales, it is [hidden email].

It is a fact that some (but not the majority) of the Elecraft employees
(and Eric and Wayne as owners) often monitor this reflector, but there
is no guarantee of that. If your intent is to reach "the real
Elecraft", you should send email direct rather than to this reflector.

Yes, I *do* repair work for Elecraft, and to that extent, I am an
Elecraft employee, but I am paid only for the actual repair work I do.
Any support I provide here on this reflector is not a task for which I
have been "Elecraft authorized" or for which I receive compensation, and
my comments are not official. I volunteer my time and comments here
only as one ham helping out another ham - there is nothing "Elecraft
Official" in my postings here on the reflector, they reflect only my own
views and experiences. I have had extensive experience with many of the
Elecraft products, and am willing to share whatever knowledge I have
with other hams in an effort to help them with whatever problem they are
having. If I do not feel I can help, I normally will not post a reply.

73,
Don W3FPR

Foxjazz wrote:

n0xdb

k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

Hello Don,

Don, the call was in the subject line.

Sorry for the confusion. I had the pll circuit working great with all
alignments before starting on phase 3 and putting the ssb board in.

As far as checking parts, the parts were correct when I checked them
the second time, and the pll circuit was working.

tp3 reads within tolerance. Unfortunately I broke the agc gain
transistor handling the control board, so have to replace. But that
shouldn't affect my issue.

I was doing some voltage readings and found an issue on u5 on the rf
board. pin 1 was 5 volts.

U6: pin 5 was 4v on and 8 was 8 volts.

tp3 reads good, and checked good. However sometimes it feels as if it
doesn't check good because the band - doesn't keep the freq down on
occasions.

N0XDB
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Saturday, April 17, 2010, 5:41:52 PM, you wrote:

> Foxjazz,

> Do you have a real name and a call? We here on the Elecraft reflector
> certainly would like to know if you do.

> Q6 on what board has the bad resistance reading? The Q6 on the RF board
> has nothing to do with your PLL problem.

> Is it at TP3 that you are getting a reading of 0.00 kHz? If not, let's
> start from there. The most likely source of no reading at TP3 is a
> problem with RF Board Q19. And the problem wiht Q19 is most likely
> soldering somewhere in that circuit. Turn to the schematic for the RF
> board sheet 1 and look in the upper left quadrant (up to but not
> including U4) to identify all the components associated with the PLL
> Reference Oscillator. Check the resistance from the source of Q19 to
> ground - it should be close to 270 ohms - if it is higher, check the
> lead tinning of RFC14.

> You may have a solder bridge on the thermistor board (notice on the
> schematic that it is one of the components associated with the PLL Ref
> Osc). Make a quick check - the voltage on pin 5 of RF Board U6 should
> be very close to 1/2 the voltage on the 8 volt rail (check that at U6
> pin 8).

> Have you checked to be certain the counter probe is still working
> properly? To check that, put the probe into TP2 to read the BFO
> frequency. If that also reads 0000.00, you have a problem either with
> the probe or Control Board Q9 and/or Q10.

> Please be specific so we can help you better without creating a 'wild
> goose chase'.

> 73,
> Don W3FPR

> Foxjazz wrote:
>> Hello Elecraft,
>>
>> Hello Don,
>>
>>
>> I had the pll working before I did phase 3 and put the ssb board in.
>>
>> It was working great, now it isn't. I thought I would run a quick
>> voltage test before continuing. Now the pll freq is 0.000
>>
>> I reviewed the test results and re-tinned T5 just to ensure good
>> conductivity.
>>
>> When I ran the resistance checks the base resistence of Q6 was at
>> 372 ohms not 100-140 as the book says.
>>
>> the unit turns on draws 0.24 amps
>>
>> 0.22 without the ssb board in.
>>
>> Why would the pll circuit just quit working, would q20 have anything
>> to do with it?
>>
>> The voltages at q18 are a bit high.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I had the pll vol
>>
>>
>>

n0xdb

k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

Hello Don,

Also I forgot to mention again (I think I did in first post) that tp1
reads 0.0000 freq.

freq probe.

pin 4 on t5 reads the same.

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The Smiths

Re: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

Don,

I found it VERY rude and out of place that you chose to "OUT" someone for being anonymous in their posts to this group. It is NOT your place to choose who should put their call at the end of their posts. If someone chooses not to sign their emails that is their right. I don't recall Eric or others that run this group indicating that it is a necessity.

Some people find that it is more comfortable for them to leave comments, or suggestions without others knowing who they are. Either for security, safety or ANY reason for that matter.

For you to not only give out someone's call sign, but to actually go as far as print out their entire name for everyone on this group to read, when they have intentionally left it off their post is completely without tact. I'm sorry I'm coming down on you so hard. I know that you do good work for this group in answering questions, you've even answered a few for me... But I just don't feel that what you did in this post was of good taste. The anonymous should REMAIN anonymous unless they choose to give their call letters or otherwise. Just my rant. Thanks for reading.

> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:07:31 -0400
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> CC: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb
>
> Foxjazz,
>
> (Eric may chastise me for this post because he, not I, is the list
> "policeman", but I will do it anyway).
>
> OK, I have learned from another ham here on the reflector that you do
> have a call and I looked up your name on QRZ.com. N0XDB - Joseph T.
> Dickerson III.
> Would you please use it on your subsequent emails to the reflector? It
> will make you seem more like a human and a ham as opposed to some troll
> or someone who wants to remain anonymous.
>
> In addition, I notice that you start your emails with "Hello
> Elecraft,". We here on the Elecraft reflector are *not* Elecraft. We
> are a group of Elecraft owners, or prospective Elecraft owners. Many of
> us are willing to help you as best we can, but we are certainly not the
> official Elecraft support organization. If you wish to reach Elecraft
> support, the proper email is [hidden email], and if you wish to
> reach sales, it is [hidden email].
>
> It is a fact that some (but not the majority) of the Elecraft employees
> (and Eric and Wayne as owners) often monitor this reflector, but there
> is no guarantee of that. If your intent is to reach "the real
> Elecraft", you should send email direct rather than to this reflector.
>
> Yes, I *do* repair work for Elecraft, and to that extent, I am an
> Elecraft employee, but I am paid only for the actual repair work I do.
> Any support I provide here on this reflector is not a task for which I
> have been "Elecraft authorized" or for which I receive compensation, and
> my comments are not official. I volunteer my time and comments here
> only as one ham helping out another ham - there is nothing "Elecraft
> Official" in my postings here on the reflector, they reflect only my own
> views and experiences. I have had extensive experience with many of the
> Elecraft products, and am willing to share whatever knowledge I have
> with other hams in an effort to help them with whatever problem they are
> having. If I do not feel I can help, I normally will not post a reply.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Foxjazz wrote:
> > Hello Elecraft,
> >
> > Hello Don,
> >
> >
> > I had the pll working before I did phase 3 and put the ssb board in.
> >
> > It was working great, now it isn't. I thought I would run a quick
> > voltage test before continuing. Now the pll freq is 0.000
> >
> > I reviewed the test results and re-tinned T5 just to ensure good
> > conductivity.
> >
> > When I ran the resistance checks the base resistence of Q6 was at
> > 372 ohms not 100-140 as the book says.
> >
> > the unit turns on draws 0.24 amps
> >
> > 0.22 without the ssb board in.
> >
> > Why would the pll circuit just quit working, would q20 have anything
> > to do with it?
> >
> > The voltages at q18 are a bit high.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I had the pll vol
> >
> >
> >
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

In reply to this post by n0xdb

Joseph,

Since you have a good frequency reading at TP3, the PLL Reference
Oscillator is working, and the problem is in the area of Q18. So we
move the problem area on the schematic to the upper right corner of the
RF Board schematic sheet 1.
Note that the VFO output goes through U3 before it gets to TP1, so try
reading the VFO frequency at U3 pin 3. If you have a good reading there
(reading should be 4915 kHz higher than the frequency displayed on the
K2 dial for all bands below 15 meters).

Since it worked once, the most likely problem is soldering, so re-flow
the connections with a hot (750 deg F) iron.
There is a possibility that Q17 was damaged by static during
construction and failed later. As a test, short Q17 drain to its source
and see if the VFO starts oscillating (you can accomplish the same thing
by temporarily shorting lead #3 of T5 to ground).

Count the turns on T5 carefully and look critically at the soldering of
the T5 leads. If there is a visible ring around the lead, it was not
well tinned - it has been said that solder connections should look like
mountains, but *not* volcanoes, and that is an apt description of the
condition I am referring to. The same thing applies to all solder
connections, not just toroid leads. The solder should flow out on both
the solder pad and the component lead to an almost invisible edge. If
the solder looks more like a ball than a nice smooth fillet, it is
likely that the connection did not receive enough heat. If there is too
much solder, use solder wick to remove some of it. With thru-plated
holes on the boards, the amount of solder required is only enough to
fill the hole, although I like to see a very small fillet too. Neither
the board or the component will be damaged with normal soldering
temperatures maintained for up to 5 or 10 seconds, although you should
use an iron temperature that produces a good solder connection in 2 to 3
seconds. If it takes longer than that, the iron is too cold, and if the
solder flows in less than 2 seconds, the iron is too hot. Watch for the
solder to *flow*, not merely to melt.

73,
Don W3FPR

Foxjazz wrote:

> Hello Don,
>
> Don, the call was in the subject line.
>
> Sorry for the confusion. I had the pll circuit working great with all
> alignments before starting on phase 3 and putting the ssb board in.
>
> As far as checking parts, the parts were correct when I checked them
> the second time, and the pll circuit was working.
>
> tp3 reads within tolerance. Unfortunately I broke the agc gain
> transistor handling the control board, so have to replace. But that
> shouldn't affect my issue.
>
> I was doing some voltage readings and found an issue on u5 on the rf
> board. pin 1 was 5 volts.
>
> U6: pin 5 was 4v on and 8 was 8 volts.
>
> tp3 reads good, and checked good. However sometimes it feels as if it
> doesn't check good because the band - doesn't keep the freq down on
> occasions.
>
> N0XDB
>

lstavenhagen

Re: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

In reply to this post by The Smiths

I concur. It's not kosher under any circumstances to post someone else's personal information without their permission. Security isn't a trivial matter on the Internet these days.....

73,
LS
W5QD

Joe Planisky

Re: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

In reply to this post by The Smiths

Do note that "Foxjazz" himself included his call in the subject line
of the post that started this thread. Not the usual place to be sure,
but I doubt his intention in doing so was to remain anonymous.

73
--
Joe KB8AP

On Apr 17, 2010, at 11:58 PM, The Smiths wrote:

> For you to not only give out someone's call sign, but to actually go
> as far as print out their entire name for everyone on this group to
> read,
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lstavenhagen

Re: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

It doesn't matter - it's 100% improper to post personal information "for" someone else, even if that information is obtainable elsewhere. It's up to N0XDB to post his/her name if he/she so chooses, not Don or anyone else.

As I said, personal privacy isn't a trivial matter, particularly these days.

If I see this happen again, I'll be leaving the reflector.

73,
LS
W5QD

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

In reply to this post by lstavenhagen

No personal information was posted, it was only publically available
information easily obtained from QRZ.com, and also in the FCC database.
I don't see that a name and call are "personal information"

However, it won't happen again. If anyone wants my assistance, it will
have to be by direct email.
[hidden email] or [hidden email] will direct email to me - no more
public posts after this one.
This is going to save me a LOT of time!

73,
Don W3FPR

lstavenhagen wrote:
> I concur. It's not kosher under any circumstances to post someone else's
> personal information without their permission. Security isn't a trivial
> matter on the Internet these days.....
>
> 73,
> LS
> W5QD
>
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Guy, K2AV

Re: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

In reply to this post by lstavenhagen

This is Elecraft's forum and they have the ultimate switch on these
things. Having said that, just to straighten up an injustice
here....

Name and call sign is not personal information, it is a matter of public record

There is no expectation of anonymity on this reflector. This IS a HAM
reflector, and name/callsign in the usual places is appreciated, and
usually done without any thought. Those who don't add name and
callsign simply stand out by the omission.

It does not take much research in the archives to see that a lot of
anonymous posts are trolls, which is why it grinds on so many.

There ARE what amount to technical arguments here, but the players all
have names and callsigns, and after a while perhaps there are familiar
takes on a given individual. People are who they are. Nothing to
hide.

Someone called Don (W3FPR) rude. Shows what they know. There is not
a rude bone in Don's body, and even if there were, he probably has the
all-time record for nearly perfect technical assistance and no one on
the reflector (including the Elecraft principals added together) has
his online time helping reflectorees. Beyond that he has an almost
insane patience with individuals in situations that to me scream RTFM.

If you somehow HAVE managed to get Don riled, you ARE over the line.

He should not have to defend himself.

My name is Guy, my call sign is K2AV, and if you don't like what I've
said you can tell ME about it without wondering who I really am.

73 all

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 9:51 AM, lstavenhagen <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> It doesn't matter - it's 100% improper to post personal information "for"
> someone else, even if that information is obtainable elsewhere. It's up to
> N0XDB to post his/her name if he/she so chooses, not Don or anyone else.
>
> As I said, personal privacy isn't a trivial matter, particularly these days.
>
> If I see this happen again, I'll be leaving the reflector.
>
> 73,
> LS
> W5QD
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ab2tc

Re: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

Hi,

That would be a real shame, Don, if you were to leave the reflector. Your postings have always been extremely helpful. Personally I am highly suspicious of anonymous postings on ham forums. As licensed hams there is no way for us to hide as we have it all hanging out on FCC's web site. Most of us are posting even more information on QRZ.com and personal web sites. Why don't you simply ignore the anonymous postings and continue to be of assistance to everybody else?

AB2TC - Knut

Don Wilhelm-4 wrote

No personal information was posted, it was only publically available
information easily obtained from QRZ.com, and also in the FCC database.
I don't see that a name and call are "personal information"

However, it won't happen again. If anyone wants my assistance, it will
have to be by direct email.
<snip>

k5oai

Re: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

Don Wilhelm wrote:

I'd like to give a big shout out thanks
to all the reflector nannys,
for depriving myself and others on the list,
from future opportunities to learn from Don's wealth of knowledge,
way to go folks, you knew what was going to happen,
before you mounted your soapboxes to beat your chests!

yea I shouldn't have said the above,
but it needed saying!

/me slithers back into my rf proofed black hole
--
GB & 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan
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Bob-270

Re: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

Nice going Guys!! You just killed the goose that lays the golden
eggs.....

I know where Don is coming from. I got chastised for publishing a link
to QRZ on a car
collector forum. The call sign was in an e-mail and I also "outed" that
person.

BS... It is public information as was given. If it were a SSN, drivers
license number
or unlisted phone number then it is still personal information.

Don, I think your work load might rise actually. You will be repeating
the same information
more often. Some actually do use the archives and the information will
not be there.

73,
Bob
K2TK

On 4/18/2010 12:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> No personal information was posted, it was only publically available
> information easily obtained from QRZ.com, and also in the FCC database.
> I don't see that a name and call are "personal information"
>
> However, it won't happen again. If anyone wants my assistance, it will
> have to be by direct email.
> [hidden email] or [hidden email] will direct email to me - no more
> public posts after this one.
> This is going to save me a LOT of time!
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> lstavenhagen wrote:
>
>> I concur. It's not kosher under any circumstances to post someone else's
>> personal information without their permission. Security isn't a trivial
>> matter on the Internet these days.....
>>
>> 73,
>> LS
>> W5QD
>>
>>
>

T Gahagan

In Reference to: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

In reply to this post by k5oai

To my friends on the Elecraft reflector:

I usually sit quietly monitoring the Elecraft reflector traffic, ignoring
most of it, but ALWAYS reading any post by W3FPR. Don's posts have been
very helpful to me over the past 11 years and I know many others and I
would not have solved some difficult technical problems without his gracious
help. It is very sad to me that this has happened no matter who is right or
wrong. I would kindly ask that list members carefully consider what they
type or say....maybe give it an hours time before hitting the send key. If
Don leaves the reflector it is a huge loss to all of us whether members
realize it or not.

Thanks for your time, and especially, Thanks to Don.

73,
Todd, WA7U

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Sam Morgan" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:40 AM
To: <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>; "lstavenhagen" <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

> Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> No personal information was posted, it was only publically available
>> information easily obtained from QRZ.com, and also in the FCC database.
>> I don't see that a name and call are "personal information"
>>
>> However, it won't happen again. If anyone wants my assistance, it will
>> have to be by direct email.
>> [hidden email] or [hidden email] will direct email to me - no more
>> public posts after this one.
>> This is going to save me a LOT of time!
>>
> I'd like to give a big shout out thanks
> to all the reflector nannys,
> for depriving myself and others on the list,
> from future opportunities to learn from Don's wealth of knowledge,
> way to go folks, you knew what was going to happen,
> before you mounted your soapboxes to beat your chests!
>
> yea I shouldn't have said the above,
> but it needed saying!
>
> /me slithers back into my rf proofed black hole
> --
> GB & 73
> K5OAI
> Sam Morgan
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k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb WTF

In reply to this post by Bob-270

All

Sorry I caused a ruckus. I understand where everyone comes from. Again
my call was in the subject line GO FIGURE.

I don't care one way or the other if Don leaves the reflector.
Elecraft has a reputation for support, unfortunately they aren't open
on weekends when I get to troubleshoot my HOBBY. This is a HOBBY, and
currently turning out to be expensive because I am frustrated with
troubleshooting the pll circuit YET AGAIN.

I went through the troubleshooting procedures again that Gary sent me
last week. I don't have good voltages on Q 18 and I don't know why.

This circuit was working well before I started on the third phase of
the project. And finished it thinking I would have a radio.

I DON'T GIVE A TOOTS BEHIND ABOUT FEELINGS, THIS IS NO PLACE FOR THEM
ANYWAY. CAN ANYONE HELP ME FIGURE OUT THIS ISSUE HERE, IF NOT I WON'T
EVER POST HERE AGAIN. I THOUGHT IT WAS A PLACE I COULD RECEIVE SOME
HELP OVER THE WEEKEND WHEN THE SHOP IS CLOSED.

SHOULD I HAVE BOUGHT A TEN-TEC?

I am not too upset yet, but damn if I could just get some freaken
help. I have a degree in EET, and know my way around a circuit.
Unfortunately I have been out of the business for 15 years.

What should I do, take a few days off and stay on the phone with
Elecraft while they are open for business?

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Sunday, April 18, 2010, 10:50:04 AM, you wrote:

> Nice going Guys!! You just killed the goose that lays the golden
> eggs.....

> I know where Don is coming from. I got chastised for publishing a link
> to QRZ on a car
> collector forum. The call sign was in an e-mail and I also "outed" that
> person.

> BS... It is public information as was given. If it were a SSN, drivers
> license number
> or unlisted phone number then it is still personal information.

> Don, I think your work load might rise actually. You will be repeating
> the same information
> more often. Some actually do use the archives and the information will
> not be there.

> 73,
> Bob
> K2TK

> On 4/18/2010 12:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> No personal information was posted, it was only publically available
>> information easily obtained from QRZ.com, and also in the FCC database.
>> I don't see that a name and call are "personal information"
>>
>> However, it won't happen again. If anyone wants my assistance, it will
>> have to be by direct email.
>> [hidden email] or [hidden email] will direct email to me - no more
>> public posts after this one.
>> This is going to save me a LOT of time!
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> lstavenhagen wrote:
>>
>>> I concur. It's not kosher under any circumstances to post someone else's
>>> personal information without their permission. Security isn't a trivial
>>> matter on the Internet these days.....
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> LS
>>> W5QD
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb WTF

You probably should have stuck to your Cobra 29

As for getting help on the weekends...........NOT

without Don !

Have a great day: Jerry N0JRN

On 4/18/2010 12:47:20 PM, Foxjazz ([hidden email]) wrote:

> All
>
> Sorry I caused a ruckus. I understand where everyone comes from. Again
> my call was in the subject line GO FIGURE.
>
> I
> don't care one way or the other if Don leaves the reflector.
> Elecraft has a reputation for support, unfortunately they aren't
> open
> on weekends when I get to troubleshoot my HOBBY. This is a HOBBY, and
> currently turning out to be expensive because I am frustrated with
> troubleshooting the pll circuit YET AGAIN.
>
> I went through the troubleshooting procedures again that Gary sent me
> last week. I don't have good voltages on Q 18 and I don't know why.
>
> This circuit was working well before I started on the third phase of
> the project. And finished it thinking I would have a radio.
>
> I
> DON'T GIVE A TOOTS BEHIND ABOUT FEELINGS, THIS IS NO PLACE FOR THEM
> ANYWAY. CAN ANYONE HELP ME FIGURE OUT THIS ISSUE HERE, IF NOT I WON'T
> EVER POST HERE AGAIN. I THOUGHT IT WAS A PLACE I COULD RECEIVE SOME
> HELP OVER THE WEEKEND WHEN THE SHOP IS CLOSED.
>
> SHOULD I HAVE BOUGHT A TEN-TEC?
>
> I am not too upset yet, but damn if I could just get some freaken
> help. I have a degree in EET, and know my way around a circuit.

lstavenhagen

Re: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb

In reply to this post by Guy, K2AV

I'll stop pouring gas on this after this post, but to reiterate a few things:

>Name and call sign is not personal information, it is a matter of public record <

It's the principle involved, not the happenstance that Don simply printed something about this person that's a matter of public record. The problem is posting personal information about another lister _without his or her explicit consent_ regardless of where that information was obtained. If that's ok sometimes and not others, where do you draw the line and when? Who draws it? Should be easy to see that this can get ugly fast - That's why violating privacy in this manner on a public forum is (or should be) a no-no as a matter of principle.
The fact that this has to be explained is something I find a bit worrying.

>It does not take much research in the archives to see that a lot of
anonymous posts are trolls, which is why it grinds on so many.<

I see no evidence here that the original poster is a troll. This would have to be demonstrated first before I would support censuring him as such. Instead, he merely wasn't posting his name probably for his own reasons. If he were otherwise engaging in troll-like behavior that would have been another matter, but I see no evidence of that so far. It's certainly not grounds for violating his personal privacy.

>He should not have to defend himself. <

The way I see it, no one should be above the rules. You break em, you get popped on the wrist, end of story. I see no reason for anyone to get special treatment.

But that's just the way I see it, how I was raised, etc. YMMV.

Ok, I'm done.

73,
LS
W5QD

n0xdb

Re: k2 pll and ref osc issues n0xdb WTF

In reply to this post by n0jrn

Hello n0jrn,

DON'T BE STUPID AND BLAME ME FOR DON NOT READING THE SUBJECT OF THE
EMAIL.

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Sunday, April 18, 2010, 12:00:32 PM, you wrote:

> You probably should have stuck to your Cobra 29

> As for getting help on the weekends...........NOT

> without Don !

> Have a great day: Jerry N0JRN

> On 4/18/2010 12:47:20 PM, Foxjazz ([hidden email]) wrote:
>> All
>>
>> Sorry I caused a ruckus. I understand where everyone comes from. Again
>> my call was in the subject line GO FIGURE.
>>
>> I
>> don't care one way or the other if Don leaves the reflector.
>> Elecraft has a reputation for support, unfortunately they aren't
>> open
>> on weekends when I get to troubleshoot my HOBBY. This is a HOBBY, and
>> currently turning out to be expensive because I am frustrated with
>> troubleshooting the pll circuit YET AGAIN.
>>
>> I went through the troubleshooting procedures again that Gary sent me
>> last week. I don't have good voltages on Q 18 and I don't know why.
>>
>> This circuit was working well before I started on the third phase of
>> the project. And finished it thinking I would have a radio.
>>
>> I
>> DON'T GIVE A TOOTS BEHIND ABOUT FEELINGS, THIS IS NO PLACE FOR THEM
>> ANYWAY. CAN ANYONE HELP ME FIGURE OUT THIS ISSUE HERE, IF NOT I WON'T
>> EVER POST HERE AGAIN. I THOUGHT IT WAS A PLACE I COULD RECEIVE SOME
>> HELP OVER THE WEEKEND WHEN THE SHOP IS CLOSED.
>>
>> SHOULD I HAVE BOUGHT A TEN-TEC?
>>
>> I am not too upset yet, but damn if I could just get some freaken
>> help. I have a degree in EET, and know my way around a circuit.
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