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k3 Auxbus system?

George Cortez Jr
Wondering if there will be auxbus signals at the PC (rs232) port
like the k2.
For all of us who have the kpa100 and kat100 remoted and
want to use it with the k3......

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Re: k3 Auxbus system?

KK7P
> Wondering if there will be auxbus signals at the PC (rs232) port
> like the k2.
> For all of us who have the kpa100 and kat100 remoted and
> want to use it with the k3......

The RS232 port is a true RS232 port in the K3.  No special cables needed.

The 15-pin accessory connector, however, includes the auxbus :-)

73,

Lyle KK7P

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K3 auxbus support

wayne burdick
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George,

Thanks for bringing up this important issue. (The information below
will be added to the FAQ when we get it going.)

The K3 will provide backward compatibility with some, but not all K2
auxBus peripherals. It will support the transverters and KRC2, but
probably not the KAT100 or KPA100. If there's a way to make them work
in the future we'll add support, but not in the first release of the
transceiver, and probably not this year.

In general, K3 auxbus device control will be limited to receive-mode
communications. This means we can detect and set up auxbus devices at
power-up, as well as send them band-change commands.

Here's the reason for our hesitance to support transmit-mode auxbus
devices, such as the KAT100 and KPA100:

Like most modern transceivers with extensive computer support, the K3
is the nexus for many low-level I/O signals (soundcard inputs and
outputs, panadapter output, external reference input, etc.). The
location of all these signals is the KIO3 module. This is also where
our "ACC" connector is that has the auxBus line.

Since the KPA100 and KAT100 make heavy use of the auxBus during
transmit, there's the potential for RFI on these low-level signals
lines during transmit at high power, through inadequate shielding,
ground loops, or just proximity. It would take much more shielding,
multilayer PC boards, and more complex internal and external cabling to
ensure that this wasn't a problem. This would greatly increase the cost
of the K3.

We'll review what devices we can control as we start to do more complex
system tests.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: K3 auxbus support

Mark Bayern
> auxBus peripherals. It will support the transverters and KRC2, but

Amazing ... you answered my transverter question before I was able to
type it in.

Lets talk satellite work -- can the xmit freq be changed while
transmitting (doppler?) can the sub receiver be receiving at the same
time as the main transmitter is transmitting? Can the VFOs be set to
track each other?

Thanks!

Mark AD5SS




On 4/28/07, wayne burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> George,
>
> Thanks for bringing up this important issue. (The information below
> will be added to the FAQ when we get it going.)
>
> The K3 will provide backward compatibility with some, but not all K2
> auxBus peripherals. It will support the transverters and KRC2, but
> probably not the KAT100 or KPA100. If there's a way to make them work
> in the future we'll add support, but not in the first release of the
> transceiver, and probably not this year.
>
> In general, K3 auxbus device control will be limited to receive-mode
> communications. This means we can detect and set up auxbus devices at
> power-up, as well as send them band-change commands.
>
> Here's the reason for our hesitance to support transmit-mode auxbus
> devices, such as the KAT100 and KPA100:
>
> Like most modern transceivers with extensive computer support, the K3
> is the nexus for many low-level I/O signals (soundcard inputs and
> outputs, panadapter output, external reference input, etc.). The
> location of all these signals is the KIO3 module. This is also where
> our "ACC" connector is that has the auxBus line.
>
> Since the KPA100 and KAT100 make heavy use of the auxBus during
> transmit, there's the potential for RFI on these low-level signals
> lines during transmit at high power, through inadequate shielding,
> ground loops, or just proximity. It would take much more shielding,
> multilayer PC boards, and more complex internal and external cabling to
> ensure that this wasn't a problem. This would greatly increase the cost
> of the K3.
>
> We'll review what devices we can control as we start to do more complex
> system tests.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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Re: K3 auxbus support

KK7P
> Lets talk satellite work -- can the xmit freq be changed while
> transmitting (doppler?)

Yes.  I just this verified on my K3 :-)

> can the sub receiver be receiving at the same
> time as the main transmitter is transmitting?

Yes.

> Can the VFOs be set to track each other?

I believe this is also a yes.  Firmware isn't yet in place but will be.
  I just love committing Wayne to things here in public :-)

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With suitable transverters (such as the XV144 and XV432), a K3 with
subreceiver should be a fantastic satellite rig.  I've been a volunteer
engineer for AMSAT since 1983 (do they issue a QC AMSAT Volunteer badge?
I qualify next year!) and I have been pretty active in pushing for
satellite features in this radio's design.

What other satellite-related features do you wish it had?  Maybe it
does; if not, maybe it can?

73,

Lyle KK7P



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K3 transverter topics

wayne burdick
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On Apr 28, 2007, at 6:37 PM, Mark Bayern wrote:

>
> Lets talk satellite work -- can the xmit freq be changed while
> transmitting (doppler?)

Yes, manually. If some kind of autotracking is desireable, it'll have
to wait awhile.


> can the sub receiver be receiving at the same
> time as the main transmitter is transmitting?

When using the transverter ports -- maybe. Even at 0 dBm this presents
a challenge, but we may be able to do it with shielding. It may also
depend on the bands being used.


> Can the VFOs be set to
> track each other?

That's on the firmware list  ;)

73,
Wayne
N6KR

> Thanks!
>
> Mark AD5SS
>
>
>
>
> On 4/28/07, wayne burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> George,
>>
>> Thanks for bringing up this important issue. (The information below
>> will be added to the FAQ when we get it going.)
>>
>> The K3 will provide backward compatibility with some, but not all K2
>> auxBus peripherals. It will support the transverters and KRC2, but
>> probably not the KAT100 or KPA100. If there's a way to make them work
>> in the future we'll add support, but not in the first release of the
>> transceiver, and probably not this year.
>>
>> In general, K3 auxbus device control will be limited to receive-mode
>> communications. This means we can detect and set up auxbus devices at
>> power-up, as well as send them band-change commands.
>>
>> Here's the reason for our hesitance to support transmit-mode auxbus
>> devices, such as the KAT100 and KPA100:
>>
>> Like most modern transceivers with extensive computer support, the K3
>> is the nexus for many low-level I/O signals (soundcard inputs and
>> outputs, panadapter output, external reference input, etc.). The
>> location of all these signals is the KIO3 module. This is also where
>> our "ACC" connector is that has the auxBus line.
>>
>> Since the KPA100 and KAT100 make heavy use of the auxBus during
>> transmit, there's the potential for RFI on these low-level signals
>> lines during transmit at high power, through inadequate shielding,
>> ground loops, or just proximity. It would take much more shielding,
>> multilayer PC boards, and more complex internal and external cabling
>> to
>> ensure that this wasn't a problem. This would greatly increase the
>> cost
>> of the K3.
>>
>> We'll review what devices we can control as we start to do more
>> complex
>> system tests.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
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>>
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