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If you hit A>B twice it transfers all VFO A info to B
including the mode.
Fred Cady
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In reply to this post by Ken817821
Not only does A>B fail to transfer mode, "CW in SSB" does not work on VFO B. Its time to fix the user interface to transfer mode with frequency. > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Kenneth Waites > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 8:57 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] k3 : Split Operation > > > Frequently when I split on CW, I find I have to go thru the > steps of changing the mode on VFO B. > > Why not have a feature that switches it to CW if I hit the > key within 5 seconds? > > Ken K5WK > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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when clicking on a DX4WIN spot, I now need to click twice...
once for the freq and a second time if the mode is different.... also when split is called for, the vfo b gets it , but the K3 only flashes "split" then retains the non split mode. The ICOM goes to split and gets the vfo freq & mode , as one would expect. bill At 11:56 AM 10/5/2008, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >Not only does A>B fail to transfer mode, "CW in SSB" does >not work on VFO B. Its time to fix the user interface to >transfer mode with frequency. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [hidden email] > > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Kenneth Waites > > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 8:57 AM > > To: [hidden email] > > Subject: [Elecraft] k3 : Split Operation > > > > > > Frequently when I split on CW, I find I have to go thru the > > steps of changing the mode on VFO B. > > > > Why not have a feature that switches it to CW if I hit the > > key within 5 seconds? > > > > Ken K5WK > > > >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: [hidden email] >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-3
B->A was broken by the change as well - since it is available only as
a programmable function, the second keypress needed to transfer mode isn't possible! Bob NW8L On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Not only does A>B fail to transfer mode, "CW in SSB" does > not work on VFO B. Its time to fix the user interface to > transfer mode with frequency. > > > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Bill Steffey NY9H
nothing to do with split
I see this problem with MacLoggerDX - if the mode of the band to which I'm tuning the K3 is different, invariably, I need to make it tune twice, so the mode gets set. However, if the mode of the band is correct, everything is ok. Don, the author of MacLoggerDX tells me he sends a mode change, a frequency change and then a mode change again, but the K3 doesn't appear to see it. using 2.45 (but others did so too) Any ideas, those that write interface software? 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, For you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! On 5 Oct 2008, at 21:54, Bill NY9H wrote: > when clicking on a DX4WIN spot, I now need to click twice... > once for the freq and a second time if the mode is different.... > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: k3 : no CAT mode change (was Split Operation)
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I remember having this trouble early on in the development of KComm. I seem to remember what I did was send the frequency change, wait a bit and then send the mode change. The K3 seems to perform some commands asynchronously, i.e. it goes on to the next command before the prevoius one has been fully executed. The problem you are seeing is probably that the mode change is being sent before the K3 has recalled the last mode used on that band, so it is being overridden.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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Thanks Julian, what the length of the delay?
I assume that’s how you fixed it? 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- Write the bad things that are done to you in the sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble. -Arabian wisdom On 7 Oct 2008, at 18:16, Julian, G4ILO wrote: > > > > David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: >> >> nothing to do with split >> I see this problem with MacLoggerDX - if the mode of the band to >> which >> I'm tuning the K3 is different, invariably, I need to make it tune >> twice, so the mode gets set. However, if the mode of the band is >> correct, everything is ok. >> Don, the author of MacLoggerDX tells me he sends a mode change, a >> frequency change and then a mode change again, but the K3 doesn't >> appear to see it. using 2.45 (but others did so too) >> >> Any ideas, those that write interface software? >> 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 >> >> > I remember having this trouble early on in the development of KComm. > I seem > to remember what I did was send the frequency change, wait a bit and > then > send the mode change. The K3 seems to perform some commands > asynchronously, > i.e. it goes on to the next command before the prevoius one has been > fully > executed. The problem you are seeing is probably that the mode > change is > being sent before the K3 has recalled the last mode used on that > band, so it > is being overridden. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
Re: k3 : no CAT mode change (was Split Operation)
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200ms.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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On Oct 7, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Julian, G4ILO wrote: > David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: >> >> Thanks Julian, what the length of the delay? >> > 200ms. For what its worth, I just wrote a quick test. Environment ---------------- K3 FW 2.23 Computer: PowerMac 2x2.3 GHz, Mac OS X 10.5.3 Serial Port: Keyspan High Speed USB adapter, 4800 baud Software: homebrew test, with GET and SET running on different threads termios: input flags: (ICANON | ECHO | ECHOE | ISIG) output flags: ~OPOST VMIN = 0, VMAX = 255 Test sequence ----------------- 1) manually set VFO A to 7070, DATA mode (as a reference point) 2) manually changed A to 14195, USB mode 3) sent CAT to the K3 with the following two commands [ self set:"FA00007067610;" ] ; [ self set:"MD3;" ] ; Result: rig is properly set to 7067.61 CW. ------- The time-stamped log shows: 2008-10-07 13:34:38.912 K3 Test[42025:10b] [SET] FA00007067610; 2008-10-07 13:34:38.913 K3 Test[42025:10b] [SET] MD3; 2008-10-07 13:34:39.824 K3 Test[42025:3303] [GOT] IF00007067610 2008-10-07 13:34:39.864 K3 Test[42025:3303] [GOT] -000000 000300 2008-10-07 13:34:39.904 K3 Test[42025:3303] [GOT] 0001 ;IF00007067 2008-10-07 13:34:39.943 K3 Test[42025:3303] [GOT] 610 -000000 2008-10-07 13:34:39.977 K3 Test[42025:3303] [GOT] 0003000001 ; The rig was initially set to AI1, so I see all changes echoed back in the form of IF packets. I'd sent the MD command right after the FA command without checking for status since a separate thread is used to read the returned IF packets. The read thread in this case received the IF packet after a little over 910 ms. (Lots of relay clicking.) I have seen an FA response come back as early as 73 ms after sending the command if it is within the same band. I was hoping to find out what the FA to MD delay needs to be, but apparently none is needed in my test (I repeated it many times, without a failure). I tried adding 10ms and 50ms worth of delay between the FA and MD commands, and the extra delays didn't hurt, either. Please note that I have bypassed the K3 ATU. That might change the results, or it might not :-). 73 Chen, W7AY _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I have decided not to install my KRX3 and 400hz filter. If interested,
please contact me off list. Will ship U.S. only. 73, Bill, NT1R _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-3
Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> >Not only does A>B fail to transfer mode, "CW in SSB" does not work on >VFO B. Its time to fix the user interface to transfer mode with >frequency. > It's certainly high time for the "auto pileup split" option that most other high-end rigs have had for years. If this option is selected, a single press on the SPLIT button would: 1. Activate the sub-rx in stereo mode 2. Clone *all* of the main rx settings to the sub-rx (if identical roofing filters are not available in the sub-rx, use the next one wider) 3. Shift VFO B to a user-programed frequency offset from VFO A. Another useful option would be steps 1 and 2 only; or of course none of the above. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Amen. Except for the stereo part so us non-lobotomized people can still use mono audio. (Like we have two ears to hear with for good reasons)
Looked at the schematic for the audio output. Earphone output is coupled from the IC via caps only-no series resistors. I was considering wiring the two together (outside the box) to get mono audio when the sub rx engaged. Don't know what impact that would have. Each amp apparently can drive 16 ohms but not sure about everything else being OK. 73 de Brian/K3KO
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In reply to this post by gm3sek
> "It's certainly high time for the "auto pileup split" option that most
> other high-end rigs have had for years. If this option is selected, a > single press on the SPLIT button would.. > 2. Clone *all* of the main rx settings to the sub-rx (if identical roofing > filters are not available in the sub-rx, use the next one wider)" FWIW, the Icom 7700 and 7800 transceivers require a "press-and-hold" function in order to transfer all data upon commencement of SPLIT. To accomplish this, the "Quick Split" option must be activated in their respective system menus. I only bring this up as an example of a competing "high end" brand SPLIT procedure. A similar "Quick Split" function as a menu option in the K3 would be a welcome addition. To accomplish the same task, the '7800 and '7700 require single press-and-hold button activations while the K3 requires three presses (i.e., double press A>B, then a single press on SPLIT). Also, no combination of activating SPLIT activates the '7800's 2nd receiver -- unless that ability has alluded me in the menu system. Paul, W9AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> activating SPLIT activates the '7800's 2nd receiver -- unless that ability
> has alluded me in the menu system. I need my own editor. Make the "eluded," and not alluded. Paul, W9AC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Another thing about split operation is that the K3 defaults to using
VFO B for transmit and A for receive. In the K2 A/B (I think) reverses these. This is a bit of a problem if you are using N1MM and running in split mode and tuning VFO A around. If you tune more than 300 Hz N1MM will toggle from Run to S&P mode. The workaround is to either widen the CW tolerance (Config -> Other) or turn off the Run/S&P Toggle (Alt-F11). (Thanks to K3CT for pointing this out to me.) Not a big deal but maybe being able to switch which is the transmit and which is the receive VFO in split mode would be nice. Cheers, Fred, KE7X _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I don't know if it would be possible to switch which VFO is used, but
I'd like to be able to tune VFOB with the larger knob in split, since I'm trying to find the frequency the DX is listening on. Yes, I know I can switch A/B, but I want to spot the frequency and Tx without having to press a button and delay -- Being a System Administrator is like being a plumber. If you do a good job, nobody knows. If you screw up, everybody gets covered in s**t! On 8 Oct 2008, at 13:34, Cady, Fred wrote: > Another thing about split operation is that the K3 defaults to using > VFO B for transmit and A for receive. In the K2 A/B (I think) reverses > these. This is a bit of a problem if you are using N1MM and running in > split mode and tuning VFO A around. If you tune more than 300 Hz N1MM > will toggle from Run to S&P mode. The workaround is to either widen > the > CW tolerance (Config -> Other) or turn off the Run/S&P Toggle (Alt- > F11). > (Thanks to K3CT for pointing this out to me.) Not a big deal but maybe > being able to switch which is the transmit and which is the receive > VFO > in split mode would be nice. > Cheers, > Fred, KE7X _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by gm3sek
> Another useful option would be steps 1 and 2 only; or of > course none of the above. My preference is to transfer frequency and mode only. Setting mode should restore the last used filter settings for that mode and (when VFO IND is implemented) I don't want A->B changing the preamp, AGC, RX Ant, etc. settings on the subreceiver. I've never found the automatic frequency offset (Quick Split) feature useful on any of the other radios. Still, as long as the offset can be set to zero it is effectively the same. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ian > White GM3SEK > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:59 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3 : Split Operation > > > Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > >Not only does A>B fail to transfer mode, "CW in SSB" does not work on > >VFO B. Its time to fix the user interface to transfer mode with > >frequency. > > > > It's certainly high time for the "auto pileup split" option that most > other high-end rigs have had for years. > > If this option is selected, a single press on the SPLIT button would: > > 1. Activate the sub-rx in stereo mode > > 2. Clone *all* of the main rx settings to the sub-rx (if identical > roofing filters are not available in the sub-rx, use the next > one wider) > > 3. Shift VFO B to a user-programed frequency offset from VFO A. > > Another useful option would be steps 1 and 2 only; or of > course none of > the above. > > > > -- > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by M0XDF
> I don't know if it would be possible to switch which VFO is > used, but I'd like to be able to tune VFOB with the larger > knob in split, since I'm trying to find the frequency the > DX is listening on. It's quite easy with the KRX3 ... turn on "sub" to listed to the DX station and use VFO A/Main for transmit and listening in the pile. > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David > Ferrington, M0XDF > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:39 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3 : Split Operation > > > I don't know if it would be possible to switch which VFO is > used, but > I'd like to be able to tune VFOB with the larger knob in > split, since > I'm trying to find the frequency the DX is listening on. > Yes, I know I can switch A/B, but I want to spot the > frequency and Tx > without having to press a button and delay > -- > Being a System Administrator is like being a plumber. > If you do a good job, nobody knows. If you screw up, everybody gets > covered in s**t! > > On 8 Oct 2008, at 13:34, Cady, Fred wrote: > > > Another thing about split operation is that the K3 defaults > to using > > VFO B for transmit and A for receive. In the K2 A/B (I > think) reverses > > these. This is a bit of a problem if you are using N1MM and > running in > > split mode and tuning VFO A around. If you tune more than > 300 Hz N1MM > > will toggle from Run to S&P mode. The workaround is to either widen > > the > > CW tolerance (Config -> Other) or turn off the Run/S&P Toggle (Alt- > > F11). > > (Thanks to K3CT for pointing this out to me.) Not a big > deal but maybe > > being able to switch which is the transmit and which is the > receive > > VFO > > in split mode would be nice. > > Cheers, > > Fred, KE7X > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Ah - now, I've got it, but not installed yet and I didn't realise I’d
be ableb to do that - which i of course the whole point :-) -- Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that! -Lewis Carroll, mathematician and writer (1832-1898) On 8 Oct 2008, at 14:48, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > >> I don't know if it would be possible to switch which VFO is >> used, but I'd like to be able to tune VFOB with the larger >> knob in split, since I'm trying to find the frequency the >> DX is listening on. > > It's quite easy with the KRX3 ... turn on "sub" to listed to > the DX station and use VFO A/Main for transmit and listening > in the pile. > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David >> Ferrington, M0XDF >> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:39 AM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] k3 : Split Operation >> >> >> I don't know if it would be possible to switch which VFO is >> used, but >> I'd like to be able to tune VFOB with the larger knob in >> split, since >> I'm trying to find the frequency the DX is listening on. >> Yes, I know I can switch A/B, but I want to spot the >> frequency and Tx >> without having to press a button and delay >> -- >> Being a System Administrator is like being a plumber. >> If you do a good job, nobody knows. If you screw up, everybody gets >> covered in s**t! >> >> On 8 Oct 2008, at 13:34, Cady, Fred wrote: >> >>> Another thing about split operation is that the K3 defaults >> to using >>> VFO B for transmit and A for receive. In the K2 A/B (I >> think) reverses >>> these. This is a bit of a problem if you are using N1MM and >> running in >>> split mode and tuning VFO A around. If you tune more than >> 300 Hz N1MM >>> will toggle from Run to S&P mode. The workaround is to either widen >>> the >>> CW tolerance (Config -> Other) or turn off the Run/S&P Toggle (Alt- >>> F11). >>> (Thanks to K3CT for pointing this out to me.) Not a big >> deal but maybe >>> being able to switch which is the transmit and which is the >> receive >>> VFO >>> in split mode would be nice. >>> Cheers, >>> Fred, KE7X >> > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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