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k1tgx

logging/k3s control program

Now that I have been operating my K3S for several months 'barefoot' (no computer) I realize I need a logging/control program. In searching the interwebby one can be overwhelmed with the myriad of software available. I would appreciate any input for my needs. I apologize if the following are pretty much standard in all programs.

1) I am primarily a dx chaser so a comprehensive log program should include auto matching to notify me if I have already worked a station and keep track of dxcc by band.

2) It should have a field for entering notes (perhaps user defined fields?)

3) It should support cw, rtty & some digital modes - which ones? I haven't a clue as I have never used a digital mode but intend to.

4) It should have support for contest operating.

5) It should be able to auto dump to LOTW.

6) I should be able to export the entire database in some readable form (suitable for Excel, etc)

7) It should be able to fully control the k3s/p3 (or is this something I should have a separate program for?)

To me it seems this is the list I need but the problem is I'm not confident that I even know all the right questions to ask :(

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks
Jerry, k1tgx
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Clay Autery

Re: logging/k3s control program

I'm new... but you can hardly go wrong with a properly configured
installation of Ham Radio Deluxe.

HRD Logbook (again, properly configured) does pretty much everything you
ask and more...

I WOULD however seriously consider FEEDING the DX Cluster in HRD Logbook
from CC User (VE7CC). CC User gives you super control over what appears
in the DX Cluster list... by band, DX origin, spotter, country, etc,
etc, etc...

I also use HRD for rig control too now... Tried Win4K3 (and still have
it installed), but there are some bugs in it that "bugged" me too much.

IMHO, it is well worth the yearly licensing fee ($99 first year, $50 or
so for the second and subsequent years).

73,

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On 6/4/2016 2:39 PM, Jerry wrote:

> Now that I have been operating my K3S for several months 'barefoot' (no computer) I realize I need a logging/control program. In searching the interwebby one can be overwhelmed with the myriad of software available. I would appreciate any input for my needs. I apologize if the following are pretty much standard in all programs.
>
> 1) I am primarily a dx chaser so a comprehensive log program should include auto matching to notify me if I have already worked a station and keep track of dxcc by band.
>
> 2) It should have a field for entering notes (perhaps user defined fields?)
>
> 3) It should support cw, rtty & some digital modes - which ones? I haven't a clue as I have never used a digital mode but intend to.
>
> 4) It should have support for contest operating.
>
> 5) It should be able to auto dump to LOTW.
>
> 6) I should be able to export the entire database in some readable form (suitable for Excel, etc)
>
> 7) It should be able to fully control the k3s/p3 (or is this something I should have a separate program for?)
>
> To me it seems this is the list I need but the problem is I'm not confident that I even know all the right questions to ask :(
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Jerry, k1tgx
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Cliff Frescura

Re: logging/k3s control program

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Hi Jerry,

In regard to:

"4) It should have support for contest operating."

Most general purpose logging programs have some contesting capabilities, but
there are many aspects of contesting that really necessitate the use of a
dedicated contest logging program.

I would suggest you start with a dedicated general purpose logging program
(my preference is DXLab - http://dxlabsuite.com/ ) and then add a dedicated
contest logging program (my preference is N1MM -
http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php ).

73,

Cliff K3LL/6

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 12:39 PM
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Subject: [Elecraft] logging/k3s control program

Now that I have been operating my K3S for several months 'barefoot' (no
computer) I realize I need a logging/control program. In searching the
interwebby one can be overwhelmed with the myriad of software available. I
would appreciate any input for my needs. I apologize if the following are
pretty much standard in all programs.

1) I am primarily a dx chaser so a comprehensive log program should
include auto matching to notify me if I have already worked a station and
keep track of dxcc by band.

2) It should have a field for entering notes (perhaps user defined
fields?)

3) It should support cw, rtty & some digital modes - which ones? I
haven't a clue as I have never used a digital mode but intend to.

4) It should have support for contest operating.

5) It should be able to auto dump to LOTW.

6) I should be able to export the entire database in some readable form
(suitable for Excel, etc)

7) It should be able to fully control the k3s/p3 (or is this something
I should have a separate program for?)

To me it seems this is the list I need but the problem is I'm not confident
that I even know all the right questions to ask :(

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks
Jerry, k1tgx
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Ross Primrose

Re: logging/k3s control program

That's exactly the combination I recommend and use with my K3 (no S)...

73, Ross N4RP

On 6/4/2016 4:00 PM, Cliff Frescura wrote:

> Hi Jerry,
>
> In regard to:
>
> "4) It should have support for contest operating."
>
> Most general purpose logging programs have some contesting capabilities, but
> there are many aspects of contesting that really necessitate the use of a
> dedicated contest logging program.
>
> I would suggest you start with a dedicated general purpose logging program
> (my preference is DXLab - http://dxlabsuite.com/ ) and then add a dedicated
> contest logging program (my preference is N1MM -
> http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php ).
>
> 73,
>
> Cliff K3LL/6
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 12:39 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] logging/k3s control program
>
> Now that I have been operating my K3S for several months 'barefoot' (no
> computer) I realize I need a logging/control program. In searching the
> interwebby one can be overwhelmed with the myriad of software available. I
> would appreciate any input for my needs. I apologize if the following are
> pretty much standard in all programs.
>
> 1) I am primarily a dx chaser so a comprehensive log program should
> include auto matching to notify me if I have already worked a station and
> keep track of dxcc by band.
>
> 2) It should have a field for entering notes (perhaps user defined
> fields?)
>
> 3) It should support cw, rtty & some digital modes - which ones? I
> haven't a clue as I have never used a digital mode but intend to.
>
> 4) It should have support for contest operating.
>
> 5) It should be able to auto dump to LOTW.
>
> 6) I should be able to export the entire database in some readable form
> (suitable for Excel, etc)
>
> 7) It should be able to fully control the k3s/p3 (or is this something
> I should have a separate program for?)
>
> To me it seems this is the list I need but the problem is I'm not confident
> that I even know all the right questions to ask :(
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Jerry, k1tgx
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Dave Fugleberg

Re: logging/k3s control program

In reply to this post by Cliff Frescura

Cliff said exactly what I was going to say. DXLab suite is excellent for
DXing and general purpose logging, and has all the items on your wish list
(plus lots more). It is a collection of programs that each have a specific
purpose, but work seamlessly together. It has excellent documentation and
support, and is free to use. You can start with just the basics and add
other programs as you need them.
While DXKeeper (the logging part of DXLab) has some basic contest features,
you're much better off using a dedicated contest logger for contests, and
just importing the contacts into DXKeeper afterwards. I use N1MM+, but
there are many good contest loggers.
I have no interest in the above other than being a happy longtime user of
them.
Have fun!

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 3:02 PM Cliff Frescura <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Jerry,
>
> In regard to:
>
> "4) It should have support for contest operating."
>
> Most general purpose logging programs have some contesting capabilities,
> but
> there are many aspects of contesting that really necessitate the use of a
> dedicated contest logging program.
>
> I would suggest you start with a dedicated general purpose logging program
> (my preference is DXLab - http://dxlabsuite.com/ ) and then add a
> dedicated
> contest logging program (my preference is N1MM -
> http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php ).
>
> 73,
>
> Cliff K3LL/6
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Jerry
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 12:39 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] logging/k3s control program
>
> Now that I have been operating my K3S for several months 'barefoot' (no
> computer) I realize I need a logging/control program. In searching the
> interwebby one can be overwhelmed with the myriad of software available. I
> would appreciate any input for my needs. I apologize if the following are
> pretty much standard in all programs.
>
> 1) I am primarily a dx chaser so a comprehensive log program should
> include auto matching to notify me if I have already worked a station and
> keep track of dxcc by band.
>
> 2) It should have a field for entering notes (perhaps user defined
> fields?)
>
> 3) It should support cw, rtty & some digital modes - which ones? I
> haven't a clue as I have never used a digital mode but intend to.
>
> 4) It should have support for contest operating.
>
> 5) It should be able to auto dump to LOTW.
>
> 6) I should be able to export the entire database in some readable
> form
> (suitable for Excel, etc)
>
> 7) It should be able to fully control the k3s/p3 (or is this something
> I should have a separate program for?)
>
> To me it seems this is the list I need but the problem is I'm not confident
> that I even know all the right questions to ask :(
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Jerry, k1tgx
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Kevin Stover

Re: logging/k3s control program

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Ditto.

On 6/4/2016 3:00 PM, Cliff Frescura wrote:

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Barry Simpson-2

Re: logging/k3s control program

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Hi Jerry

I have used Turbolog 4 for many years and this covers all of your requirements except full rig control. However, my experience is that it is better to use a separate dedicated program for contests. I use SD for all contesting and it is very simple to export the SD log to TL4.

73

BTW I always get immediate responses from the designers/purveyors of both programs to any problems or queries that I have and both continue to be updated regularly.

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> On 5 Jun 2016, at 05:39, Jerry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Now that I have been operating my K3S for several months 'barefoot' (no computer) I realize I need a logging/control program. In searching the interwebby one can be overwhelmed with the myriad of software available. I would appreciate any input for my needs. I apologize if the following are pretty much standard in all programs.
>
> 1) I am primarily a dx chaser so a comprehensive log program should include auto matching to notify me if I have already worked a station and keep track of dxcc by band.
>
> 2) It should have a field for entering notes (perhaps user defined fields?)
>
> 3) It should support cw, rtty & some digital modes - which ones? I haven't a clue as I have never used a digital mode but intend to.
>
> 4) It should have support for contest operating.
>
> 5) It should be able to auto dump to LOTW.
>
> 6) I should be able to export the entire database in some readable form (suitable for Excel, etc)
>
> 7) It should be able to fully control the k3s/p3 (or is this something I should have a separate program for?)
>
> To me it seems this is the list I need but the problem is I'm not confident that I even know all the right questions to ask :(
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Jerry, k1tgx
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Jim Brown-10

Re: logging/k3s control program

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On Sat,6/4/2016 12:39 PM, Jerry wrote:
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.

General loggers are lousy for contests, and contest loggers are lousy
for general operating. The best "general" logger is DXKeeper, which is
part of the DXLab Suite. The best contest logger is N1MM Plus. Both are
FREE, both are quite stable, mature, and well supported.

DXKeeper has everything you could possibly want in a general logging
program, including keeping track of awards, uploading and downloading
to/from LOTW and eQSL. N1MM Plus is the Rolls Royce of contest loggers.
It is mostly used for CW, SSB, and RTTY, but it supports software
modules that do other digital modes. At the end of each contest, export
your log as ADIF, then import it into DXKeeper. It's as easy as that.

DXKeeper is ONLY a logger and award tracker. It does not send and RX CW,
or any other mode. But another module in the DXLab Suite do that for
some RTTY, PSK, and some other modes, and another module called
Commander does radio control from your computer.

73, Jim K9YC

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briancom

Re: logging/k3s control program

My only complaint about these programs DXLAB, HRD et al is that they
essentially hog all of the computer display.

It would be nice if someone would come up with something compact which
occupies about 25% of the screen and hides everything else till one
really needs it.

I have lots more things going on that need screen space. Multiple
monitors is not an option due to real estate limitations. Neck turning
to another monitor isn't welcome either.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 6/4/2016 22:08 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

> On Sat,6/4/2016 12:39 PM, Jerry wrote:
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> General loggers are lousy for contests, and contest loggers are lousy
> for general operating. The best "general" logger is DXKeeper, which is
> part of the DXLab Suite. The best contest logger is N1MM Plus. Both are
> FREE, both are quite stable, mature, and well supported.
>
> DXKeeper has everything you could possibly want in a general logging
> program, including keeping track of awards, uploading and downloading
> to/from LOTW and eQSL. N1MM Plus is the Rolls Royce of contest loggers.
> It is mostly used for CW, SSB, and RTTY, but it supports software
> modules that do other digital modes. At the end of each contest, export
> your log as ADIF, then import it into DXKeeper. It's as easy as that.
>
> DXKeeper is ONLY a logger and award tracker. It does not send and RX CW,
> or any other mode. But another module in the DXLab Suite do that for
> some RTTY, PSK, and some other modes, and another module called
> Commander does radio control from your computer.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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Jim - N4ST

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Haven't used DXLabs for several years.
Does it have the ability to create buttons that can be programmed to run K3S macro language?

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Cliff Frescura

Re: logging/k3s control program

Yes, check out:

http://www.dxlabsuite.com/commander/Help/CommandSequences.htm

Also, the DXLab reflector at [hidden email] is very active, much like
this one.

73,

Cliff K3LL/6

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To: 'Walter Underwood'; 'Elecraft List'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] logging/k3s control program

Haven't used DXLabs for several years.
Does it have the ability to create buttons that can be programmed to run K3S
macro language?

__________
73,
Jim - N4ST

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Jim - N4ST

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I plan on getting a K-NOB.
But, I also like my software programmable buttons on HRD which are labeled,
for this old brain which can't always remember what button does what.

__________
73,
Jim - N4ST

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Efficient fast control of a K3S or K3 is the rationale behind the K-NOB.

Sitting right next to your keyboard so your hand doesn't have to move more
than an inch or two, it has 8 switches that can launch up to 16 macros on
the K3 in addition to the knob that tunes VFO A, B or the OFS (RIT/XIT).

73, Ron AC7AC

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N4ST
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Haven't used DXLabs for several years.
Does it have the ability to create buttons that can be programmed to run K3S
macro language?

__________
73,
Jim - N4ST

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Dave Fugleberg

Re: logging/k3s control program

To K1TGX- I have a K3 (not K3S), but the integration with DXLab is about
the same. The part of DXLab that integrates with the radio is called
Commander. Once Commander is configured to talk to the radio, you can start
up DXKeeper and it will find it.
To N4ST- yes, Commander has buttons and sliders that are easily programmed
to run macros on the K3/K3S. There are a bunch of examples available on the
DXLab wiki site, or you can roll your own.
To K3KO, I agree that screen real estate is precious (no matter how many
monitors one has). However, one thing I like about DXLab is that you can
minimize the windows you're not actively using. For example, you need only
the small 'capture' window open to effectively log contacts, and it will
pull in the relevant info from the radio, your log, etc. even if the other
modules are minimized.
On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 6:37 PM Jim - N4ST <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I plan on getting a K-NOB.
> But, I also like my software programmable buttons on HRD which are labeled,
> for this old brain which can't always remember what button does what.
>
> __________
> 73,
> Jim - N4ST
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ron
> D'Eau Claire
> Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 19:19
> To: 'Elecraft List' <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] logging/k3s control program
>
> Efficient fast control of a K3S or K3 is the rationale behind the K-NOB.
>
> Sitting right next to your keyboard so your hand doesn't have to move more
> than an inch or two, it has 8 switches that can launch up to 16 macros on
> the K3 in addition to the knob that tunes VFO A, B or the OFS (RIT/XIT).
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim
> -
> N4ST
> Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 3:55 PM
> To: 'Walter Underwood'; 'Elecraft List'
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] logging/k3s control program
>
> Haven't used DXLabs for several years.
> Does it have the ability to create buttons that can be programmed to run
> K3S
> macro language?
>
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Jim Brown-10

Re: logging/k3s control program

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On Sat,6/4/2016 3:27 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> I’m not sure that DXKeeper does*everything* one might want. It does not seem to support an easy export to SOTA (Summits on the Air)

That's something you might suggest to Dave (AA6YQ, the author) on his
email reflector. He tends to respond to any post within a half day or
so, and he's still adding features to his suite that folks ask for.

73, Jim K9YC

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: logging/k3s control program

> On Sat,6/4/2016 3:27 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>> I’m not sure that DXKeeper does*everything* one might want. It does
>> not seem to support an easy export to SOTA (Summits on the Air)

DXKeeper provides export in ADIF format. In this day, any program
that deals with log data and fails to accept ADIF input is seriously
deficient. I would suggest the issue lies with SOTA.

DXKeeper also provides export in TDF/CSV (with and without headler
line) but the user needs to create a log display that shows the data
(columns) to be exported in the proper order.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

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