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Barely dare ask, but is there a logging program suited for VHF
logging? My logs are simply excel spreadsheets and cover: No. MO/DY/YR TIME CALLSIGN GRID LOCATION DXCC WAS FREQ MODE QSL-RX QSL-SENT Last two columns track QSLs received "X" or sent "MO/DA/YR" Especially would be nice to determine with callsign entry if I had worked the station, previously. MY log is an initial contact log and I do not enter repeat contacts. Present use is all manual entry and search. Grid is six digit locator. e.g. on 2m-eme I have 438 initial contacts (distinct callsigns). So far I run contests on paper with pencil. Eme and VHF contests normally are not so fast and furious as on HF. But a log that saves frequency, mode and date info while one enters time and call would be nice on contests, especially if it would detect a dupe. Be most handy tallying score and entering contest log. Cabrillo conversion would be nice for contests. I keep separate logs by band (only logging 6m+ contacts) 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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VQLOG is what most VHF UHF guys use Ed. by EA6VQ. I have used it for years.
73 David Anderson GM4JJJ > On 5 Jun 2016, at 17:22, Edward R Cole <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Barely dare ask, but is there a logging program suited for VHF logging? My logs are simply excel spreadsheets and cover: > No. MO/DY/YR TIME CALLSIGN GRID LOCATION DXCC WAS FREQ MODE QSL-RX QSL-SENT > Last two columns track QSLs received "X" or sent "MO/DA/YR" > > Especially would be nice to determine with callsign entry if I had worked the station, previously. MY log is an initial contact log and I do not enter repeat contacts. Present use is all manual entry and search. Grid is six digit locator. e.g. on 2m-eme I have 438 initial contacts (distinct callsigns). > > So far I run contests on paper with pencil. Eme and VHF contests normally are not so fast and furious as on HF. > But a log that saves frequency, mode and date info while one enters time and call would be nice on contests, especially if it would detect a dupe. Be most handy tallying score and entering contest log. Cabrillo conversion would be nice for contests. > > I keep separate logs by band (only logging 6m+ contacts) > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Ed,
It costs money and does more than just logging, but HRD would certainly cover the bases. The logbook covers all of the items you list, plus QSL S/R for eQSL and LoTW with dates sent and dates received. You can also log station setup (rig, antenna, power, etc.) as well as propagation mode (Es, tropo, meter scatter, aurora, etc.) You could put all of your QSOs in the same log and set the display filter to just display the band of interest. Or create separate logs per band if you really want to do that. __________ 73, Jim - N4ST -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 12:23 To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] : logging/k3s control program Barely dare ask, but is there a logging program suited for VHF logging? My logs are simply excel spreadsheets and cover: No. MO/DY/YR TIME CALLSIGN GRID LOCATION DXCC WAS FREQ MODE QSL-RX QSL-SENT Last two columns track QSLs received "X" or sent "MO/DA/YR" Especially would be nice to determine with callsign entry if I had worked the station, previously. MY log is an initial contact log and I do not enter repeat contacts. Present use is all manual entry and search. Grid is six digit locator. e.g. on 2m-eme I have 438 initial contacts (distinct callsigns). So far I run contests on paper with pencil. Eme and VHF contests normally are not so fast and furious as on HF. But a log that saves frequency, mode and date info while one enters time and call would be nice on contests, especially if it would detect a dupe. Be most handy tallying score and entering contest log. Cabrillo conversion would be nice for contests. I keep separate logs by band (only logging 6m+ contacts) 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I'm late jumping into this discussion, but want to add my two cents' worth.
In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a beta tester and evangelist for Ham Radio Deluxe, but have no financial interest. HRD provides all the functionality everyone has mentioned on this list (including the info Ed asked for below, for V/UHF logging). In addition to rig control, logging (which provides at-a-glance worked/confirmed info in the cluster window), and digi modes, HRD also provides satellite tracking and rotor control, all in one suite of tools. Awards tracking is superb. And, HRD allows the use of MariaDB (a variant of MySQL) as the log database, instead of just using Access (Access is the default data store, but it can be converted very easily, following the video on HRD's YouTube channel). One new feature that HRD has that I haven't heard about in any other logger is the ability to take input from N1MM Logger+ directly as it is being input into the contest logger. There are a couple of configuration items in HRD to set, and the HRD logger must be running in the background during the contest. This eliminates the step of exporting the contest log to an ADIF and then importing it into HRD. I admit my bias, but feel HRD is well worth the license fee and is among the best all-in-one suites available. Thanks and 73, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua [hidden email] 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 12:23 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] : logging/k3s control program Barely dare ask, but is there a logging program suited for VHF logging? My logs are simply excel spreadsheets and cover: No. MO/DY/YR TIME CALLSIGN GRID LOCATION DXCC WAS FREQ MODE QSL-RX QSL-SENT Last two columns track QSLs received "X" or sent "MO/DA/YR" Especially would be nice to determine with callsign entry if I had worked the station, previously. MY log is an initial contact log and I do not enter repeat contacts. Present use is all manual entry and search. Grid is six digit locator. e.g. on 2m-eme I have 438 initial contacts (distinct callsigns). So far I run contests on paper with pencil. Eme and VHF contests normally are not so fast and furious as on HF. But a log that saves frequency, mode and date info while one enters time and call would be nice on contests, especially if it would detect a dupe. Be most handy tallying score and entering contest log. Cabrillo conversion would be nice for contests. I keep separate logs by band (only logging 6m+ contacts) 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I'm late jumping into this discussion, but want to add my two cents'
worth. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a beta tester and evangelist for Ham Radio Deluxe, but have no financial interest. HRD provides all the functionality everyone has mentioned on this list (including the info Ed asked for below, for V/UHF logging). One new feature that HRD has that I haven't heard about in any other logger is the ability to take input from N1MM Logger+ directly as it is being input into the contest logger. There are a couple of configuration items in HRD to set, and the HRD logger must be running in the background. This eliminates the step of exporting the contest log to an ADIF and then importing it into HRD. I admit my bias, but feel HRD is well worth the license fee and is among the best logging/rig control/digi mode/satellite/rotor control suites available. Thanks and 73, --Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua [hidden email] 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 12:23 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] : logging/k3s control program Barely dare ask, but is there a logging program suited for VHF logging? My logs are simply excel spreadsheets and cover: No. MO/DY/YR TIME CALLSIGN GRID LOCATION DXCC WAS FREQ MODE QSL-RX QSL-SENT Last two columns track QSLs received "X" or sent "MO/DA/YR" Especially would be nice to determine with callsign entry if I had worked the station, previously. MY log is an initial contact log and I do not enter repeat contacts. Present use is all manual entry and search. Grid is six digit locator. e.g. on 2m-eme I have 438 initial contacts (distinct callsigns). So far I run contests on paper with pencil. Eme and VHF contests normally are not so fast and furious as on HF. But a log that saves frequency, mode and date info while one enters time and call would be nice on contests, especially if it would detect a dupe. Be most handy tallying score and entering contest log. Cabrillo conversion would be nice for contests. I keep separate logs by band (only logging 6m+ contacts) 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I'm late jumping into this discussion, but want to add my two cents'
worth. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a beta tester and evangelist for Ham Radio Deluxe, but have no financial interest. HRD provides all the functionality everyone has mentioned on this list (including the info Ed asked for below, for V/UHF logging). One new feature that HRD has that I haven't heard about in any other logger is the ability to take input from N1MM Logger+ directly as it is being input into the contest logger. There are a couple of configuration items in HRD to set, and the HRD logger Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua [hidden email] 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962 K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 12:23 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] : logging/k3s control program Barely dare ask, but is there a logging program suited for VHF logging? My logs are simply excel spreadsheets and cover: No. MO/DY/YR TIME CALLSIGN GRID LOCATION DXCC WAS FREQ MODE QSL-RX QSL-SENT Last two columns track QSLs received "X" or sent "MO/DA/YR" Especially would be nice to determine with callsign entry if I had worked the station, previously. MY log is an initial contact log and I do not enter repeat contacts. Present use is all manual entry and search. Grid is six digit locator. e.g. on 2m-eme I have 438 initial contacts (distinct callsigns). So far I run contests on paper with pencil. Eme and VHF contests normally are not so fast and furious as on HF. But a log that saves frequency, mode and date info while one enters time and call would be nice on contests, especially if it would detect a dupe. Be most handy tallying score and entering contest log. Cabrillo conversion would be nice for contests. I keep separate logs by band (only logging 6m+ contacts) 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On Sun,6/5/2016 9:22 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> Barely dare ask, but is there a logging program suited for VHF > logging? My logs are simply excel spreadsheets and cover: > No. MO/DY/YR TIME CALLSIGN GRID LOCATION DXCC WAS FREQ MODE QSL-RX > QSL-SENT > Last two columns track QSLs received "X" or sent "MO/DA/YR" Sure. DXKeeper may be good enough for slow VHF contest activity, but N1MM Plus is far better with things are popping (i.e., when the band is open for double-hop and you've got to finish the Q fast and move on to the next station). N1MM Plus does nothing for QSL or awards, so you want DXKeeper for that. See earlier posts in this thread for that. The bad news is that it could be difficult to export your Excel data to any ham logging program, but it's worth poking around the internet for someone who has done it. BTW -- Cabrillo logs have been the standard for contests for many years. While some contests still accept other formats or paper logs, the trend is to reject them because volunteers have gotten tired of doing what the submitter didn't want to do -- enter it by hand, one QSO at a time, into Cabrillo. :) 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Any of the contest loggers will work for VHF contesting- I've used N1MM and
Writelog on VHF contests. N3FJP has several loggers for specific purposes, including one specifically for VHF+ contesting. I probably use that one more than the others for VHF. All of them have the features you mentioned. It mostly comes down to personal preferences and what you get used to. On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 5:21 PM Ian Kahn <[hidden email]> wrote: > I'm late jumping into this discussion, but want to add my two cents' > worth. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a beta tester and > evangelist for Ham Radio Deluxe, but have no financial interest. > > HRD provides all the functionality everyone has mentioned on this list > (including the info Ed asked for below, for V/UHF logging). One new > feature that HRD has that I haven't heard about in any other logger is the > ability to take input from N1MM Logger+ directly as it is being input into > the contest logger. There are a couple of configuration items in HRD to > set, and the HRD logger > > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > Roswell, GA EM74ua > [hidden email] > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 > PODXS 070 #1962 > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of > Edward R Cole > Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 12:23 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Elecraft] : logging/k3s control program > > Barely dare ask, but is there a logging program suited for VHF logging? > My logs are simply excel spreadsheets and cover: > No. MO/DY/YR TIME CALLSIGN GRID LOCATION DXCC WAS FREQ MODE QSL-RX > QSL-SENT Last two columns track QSLs received "X" or sent "MO/DA/YR" > > Especially would be nice to determine with callsign entry if I had worked > the station, previously. MY log is an initial contact log and I do not > enter repeat contacts. Present use is all manual entry and search. Grid > is six digit locator. e.g. on 2m-eme I have 438 initial contacts (distinct > callsigns). > > So far I run contests on paper with pencil. Eme and VHF contests normally > are not so fast and furious as on HF. > But a log that saves frequency, mode and date info while one enters time > and call would be nice on contests, especially if it would detect a dupe. > Be most handy tallying score and entering contest log. Cabrillo > conversion would be nice for contests. > > I keep separate logs by band (only logging 6m+ contacts) > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > "Kits made by KL7UW" > Dubus Mag business: > [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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DX Keeper will import .csv files.
Convert the spreadsheet to comma separated values and import to DX Keeper. Downside is you are responsible to make sure the data are in the correct columns. On 6/5/2016 5:50 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > The bad news is that it could be difficult to export your Excel data > to any ham logging program, but it's worth poking around the internet > for someone who has done it. > > BTW -- Cabrillo logs have been the standard for contests for many > years. While some contests still accept other formats or paper logs, > the trend is to reject them because volunteers have gotten tired of > doing what the submitter didn't want to do -- enter it by hand, one > QSO at a time, into Cabrillo. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > > -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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There's a very nice bridge for N1MM+ to DXKeeper which I use for 6M
activity when it's hoppin'. I wrote a simple UDC for it which captures name and grid. Works great. Plus the bridge now supports edits so if you edit your N1MM+ log it will be reflected in DXK. jim ab3cv On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 6:50 PM, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote: > On Sun,6/5/2016 9:22 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > >> Barely dare ask, but is there a logging program suited for VHF logging? >> My logs are simply excel spreadsheets and cover: >> No. MO/DY/YR TIME CALLSIGN GRID LOCATION DXCC WAS FREQ MODE QSL-RX >> QSL-SENT >> Last two columns track QSLs received "X" or sent "MO/DA/YR" >> > > Sure. DXKeeper may be good enough for slow VHF contest activity, but N1MM > Plus is far better with things are popping (i.e., when the band is open for > double-hop and you've got to finish the Q fast and move on to the next > station). N1MM Plus does nothing for QSL or awards, so you want DXKeeper > for that. See earlier posts in this thread for that. > > The bad news is that it could be difficult to export your Excel data to > any ham logging program, but it's worth poking around the internet for > someone who has done it. > > BTW -- Cabrillo logs have been the standard for contests for many years. > While some contests still accept other formats or paper logs, the trend is > to reject them because volunteers have gotten tired of doing what the > submitter didn't want to do -- enter it by hand, one QSO at a time, into > Cabrillo. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 6/5/2016 5:37 PM, Ian - Ham wrote: > One new feature that HRD has that I haven't heard about in any other > logger is the ability to take input from N1MM Logger+ directly as it > is being input into the contest logger. Also available in DXLab Suite (N1MM+/DXLab bridge). The one thing I can say is that DXLab Suite does not cause systems with limited power to bog like HRD can do. DXLab also provides seamless control of multiple rigs (up to four transceivers) with built-in (automatic) switching of sound cards, CW, FSK and PTT outputs based on the active transceiver. Of course, DXLab Suite (DXKeeper) also supports VUCC and all of the newer VHF digital modes. New modes can be added by the user as needed. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 6/5/2016 5:37 PM, Ian - Ham wrote: > I'm late jumping into this discussion, but want to add my two cents' worth. > In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a beta tester and evangelist for Ham > Radio Deluxe, but have no financial interest. > > HRD provides all the functionality everyone has mentioned on this list > (including the info Ed asked for below, for V/UHF logging). In addition to > rig control, logging (which provides at-a-glance worked/confirmed info in > the cluster window), and digi modes, HRD also provides satellite tracking > and rotor control, all in one suite of tools. Awards tracking is superb. > And, HRD allows the use of MariaDB (a variant of MySQL) as the log database, > instead of just using Access (Access is the default data store, but it can > be converted very easily, following the video on HRD's YouTube channel). One > new feature that HRD has that I haven't heard about in any other logger is > the ability to take input from N1MM Logger+ directly as it is being input > into the contest logger. There are a couple of configuration items in HRD to > set, and the HRD logger must be running in the background during the > contest. This eliminates the step of exporting the contest log to an ADIF > and then importing it into HRD. I admit my bias, but feel HRD is well worth > the license fee and is among the best all-in-one suites available. > > Thanks and 73, > > --Ian > Ian Kahn, KM4IK > Roswell, GA EM74ua > [hidden email] > 10-10 #74624, North Georgia Chapter #2038 > PODXS 070 #1962 > K3# 281, P3 #688, KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468 > > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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