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Neil Foster

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I still wonder why Elecraft a forward looking company uses a "reflector"
like mailman rather than the .io type so many others now use. Sure makes it
easier to navigate using .io
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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT-3

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Because reflectors work. They're a universal push technology.

When I do want to "navigate" this list, everything is right here on my
machine where I can search it quickly.

If you're trying to use a list archive, then yeah, it can be clunky, but
that's not a reflector.

73 -- Lynn

On 5/1/20 2:19 PM, Neil Foster wrote:

> I still wonder why Elecraft a forward looking company uses a "reflector"
> like mailman rather than the .io type so many others now use. Sure makes it
> easier to navigate using .io
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Gary K9GS-2

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I hope they stay with mailman. The reason is that many use the groups.io web interface. When they reply that way, they don't quote the messsge they are replying to so it arrives with no context.Groups.io should default to quoting messages but they refuse to do so.I really hate groups.io for that reason. 73,Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Neil Foster <[hidden email]> Date: 5/1/20 4:19 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [hidden email] Subject: [Elecraft] mailman.qth I still wonder why Elecraft a forward looking company uses a "reflector"like mailman rather than the .io type so many others now use. Sure makes iteasier to navigate using .ioNeil N4FN______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:[hidden email] list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to [hidden email]
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Don Wilhelm

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I will echo that - many of the posts on groups.io do not have well
formed subject lines, and no text from what is being responded to is
present. That leaves me with the question "What are you trying to say?"
and what does it relate to?

I read both mailman and groups.io posts with Thunderbird (and not on the
web), so I can reply while preserving whatever I am responding to.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/1/2020 5:53 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
> I hope they stay with mailman. The reason is that many use the groups.io web interface. When they reply that way, they don't quote the messsge they are replying to so it arrives with no context.Groups.io should default to quoting messages but they refuse to do so.I really hate groups.io for that reason. 73,Gary K9GS
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NK7Z

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I must agree 100%, having the list move to a .io interface would destroy
the navigability.

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On 5/1/20 2:31 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

> Because reflectors work. They're a universal push technology.
>
> When I do want to "navigate" this list, everything is right here on my
> machine where I can search it quickly.
>
> If you're trying to use a list archive, then yeah, it can be clunky, but
> that's not a reflector.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 5/1/20 2:19 PM, Neil Foster wrote:
>> I still wonder why Elecraft a forward looking company uses a "reflector"
>> like mailman rather than the .io type so many others now use. Sure
>> makes it
>> easier to navigate using .io
>> Neil N4FN
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W2xj

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I agree. Groups.io has a lot of idiots who don’t seemed to have mastered real email. The same was true for Yahoo groups.

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> On May 1, 2020, at 7:41 PM, Dave Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I must agree 100%, having the list move to a .io interface would destroy the navigability.
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
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>> On 5/1/20 2:31 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>> Because reflectors work. They're a universal push technology.
>> When I do want to "navigate" this list, everything is right here on my machine where I can search it quickly.
>> If you're trying to use a list archive, then yeah, it can be clunky, but that's not a reflector.
>> 73 -- Lynn
>>> On 5/1/20 2:19 PM, Neil Foster wrote:
>>> I still wonder why Elecraft a forward looking company uses a "reflector"
>>> like mailman rather than the .io type so many others now use. Sure makes it
>>> easier to navigate using .io
>>> Neil N4FN
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Jim Rhodes-2

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This has been discussed on some of the reflectors that I subscribe to. On
all of them the move was basically voted down. So I guess user preference
is to blame.

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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT-3

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If you ask people on a reflector who have been using a reflector for
years, and are accustomed to using a reflector, who know how to make
best use of a reflector, they're going to want to stick with the reflector.

73 -- Lynn

On 5/1/20 11:05 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:

> This has been discussed on some of the reflectors that I subscribe to. On
> all of them the move was basically voted down. So I guess user preference
> is to blame.
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 4:20 PM Neil Foster <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I still wonder why Elecraft a forward looking company uses a "reflector"
>> like mailman rather than the .io type so many others now use. Sure makes it
>> easier to navigate using .io
>> Neil N4FN
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rich hurd WC3T

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I manage a 2000-person groups.io group and a lot of the functionality (or
dysfunction) is how the configuration is does and what the subscribers are
used to. Different strokes and all that. But I’m perfectly happy with
either.

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 12:27 Walter Underwood <[hidden email]> wrote:

> groups.io is a reflector, but it also keeps an archive and does other
> stuff.
> I’ve been managing mailing lists for decades and groups.io is very good.
>
> But there isn’t really anything wrong with the current Elecraft mailing
> list,
> so I wouldn’t expect any changes.
>
> wunder
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> > On May 2, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > If you ask people on a reflector who have been using a reflector for
> years, and are accustomed to using a reflector, who know how to make best
> use of a reflector, they're going to want to stick with the reflector.
> >
> > 73 -- Lynn
> >
> > On 5/1/20 11:05 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> >> This has been discussed on some of the reflectors that I subscribe to.
> On
> >> all of them the move was basically voted down. So I guess user
> preference
> >> is to blame.
> >> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 4:20 PM Neil Foster <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>> I still wonder why Elecraft a forward looking company uses a
> "reflector"
> >>> like mailman rather than the .io type so many others now use. Sure
> makes it
> >>> easier to navigate using .io
> >>> Neil N4FN
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NK7Z

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luckily most folks now days can use both, but prefer one over the other.

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On 5/2/20 8:55 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

> If you ask people on a reflector who have been using a reflector for
> years, and are accustomed to using a reflector, who know how to make
> best use of a reflector, they're going to want to stick with the reflector.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 5/1/20 11:05 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
>> This has been discussed on some of the reflectors that I subscribe
>> to. On
>> all of them the move was basically voted down. So I guess user
>> preference
>> is to blame.
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 4:20 PM Neil Foster <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I still wonder why Elecraft a forward looking company uses a "reflector"
>>> like mailman rather than the .io type so many others now use. Sure
>>> makes it
>>> easier to navigate using .io
>>> Neil N4FN
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pa0pje

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Groups.io works exactly like a reflector like mailman to me.
Like said time and again: Use a proper client like the free Thunderbird
mailprogram. It is there for all three major operating systems.

Do not use a web interface and stick to plain text for reduced message
size and DO NOT USE A SMARTPHONE unless you know what that enter key is
for. Proper formatting makes a mail a lot more readable.

If you use a digest and a mail cient PLEASE do NOT use the reply button
but copy/paste the subject + text you want to reflect on! Of course, if
you are the 100th in line, cut short the answer.

@Mailman leave it the way it is, Please!

>> are replying to so it arrives with no context.
Is due to HTML ony answers. That Should Not Be Done. Study The Matter So
You Understand What The Differences Are.

73,
Peter

Op 01-05-2020 om 23:53 schreef Gary K9GS:
> are replying to so it arrives with no context.Groups.io should default to quoting messages but they refuse to do so.
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Barry

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I agree. Parsing/filtering tens or hundreds of emails per day is such an
inefficient and wasteful method of getting this info across. Most people
are interested in one or two product discussions, max. Using something like
vBulletin makes so much more sense in terms of continuity and search
capability.

Personally, I read this "forum" on Nabble, but it's a poor interface,
breaking up email threads into multiple subjects and not putting them in the
correct categories.

Barry W2UP

I still wonder why Elecraft a forward looking company uses a "reflector"
like mailman rather than the .io type so many others now use. Sure makes it
easier to navigate using .io
Neil N4FN

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