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DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL

rather provocative advert from Kenwood

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Pete Smith N4ZR

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

Hah! - No sub RX or second VFO control, and they seem to have stolen the
tap/hold controls!

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Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

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Any chance this exists somewhere where creating a Google account isn't a prerequisite

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K6LMP

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

I downloaded this PDF file and uploaded it to a site anyone can access:

http://public.me.com/lewphelps

Has anyone seen specs and price for the new Kenwood?

Lew Phelps K6LMP

On Jul 2, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:

> Any chance this exists somewhere where creating a Google account isn't a prerequisite
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> On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
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Guy, K2AV

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

Specs and price is not out yet.

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Lew Phelps K6LMP <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I downloaded this PDF file and uploaded it to a site anyone can access:
>
> http://public.me.com/lewphelps
>
> Has anyone seen specs and price for the new Kenwood?
>
> Lew Phelps K6LMP
>
>
> On Jul 2, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
>
>> Any chance this exists somewhere where creating a Google account isn't a prerequisite
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>>
>> On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
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>>> https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bw6A6YLa6L3rZjhjNWRiMGUtODZiMi00OWM3LTljYmItNWM3ODY2YWU0YjVi&hl=en&authkey=CLe25YAE
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Kevin Rock

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

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This is broken too. After crashing my system twice I find it is not worth my time to download the .pdf
Kevin. KD5ONS

-----Original Message-----

>From: Lew Phelps K6LMP <[hidden email]>
>Sent: Jul 2, 2010 2:19 PM
>To: Elecraft <[hidden email]>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
>
>I downloaded this PDF file and uploaded it to a site anyone can access:
>
>http://public.me.com/lewphelps
>
>Has anyone seen specs and price for the new Kenwood?
>
>Lew Phelps K6LMP
>
>
>On Jul 2, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
>
>> Any chance this exists somewhere where creating a Google account isn't a prerequisite
>>
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>> On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
>>
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ussv dharma

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

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Kenwood does not see the trees for the forest....the usual Kenwood "non customer friendly support" will probably prevail.

One of the best things the K3 has going for it is "CUSTOMER SUPPORT:

END OF STORY

SUSAN
If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!! Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm AFA9SM USSV DHARMA

--- On Fri, 7/2/10, Lew Phelps K6LMP <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Lew Phelps K6LMP <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
> To: "Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
> Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 11:19 AM
> I downloaded this PDF file and
> uploaded it to a site anyone can access:
>
> http://public.me.com/lewphelps
>
> Has anyone seen specs and price for the new Kenwood?
>
> Lew Phelps K6LMP
>
>
> On Jul 2, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
>
> > Any chance this exists somewhere where creating a
> Google account isn't a prerequisite
> >
> >
> > On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
> >
> >> https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bw6A6YLa6L3rZjhjNWRiMGUtODZiMi00OWM3LTljYmItNWM3ODY2YWU0YjVi&hl=en&authkey=CLe25YAE
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Gary Gregory

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

Interesting advertising by ML&S....

Would have thought that even ML&S would have recognised by now that when you
want to promote a product you get more buyer response when the advertising
is of a positive nature.

If they feel that to sell their "new" product they have to use a negative
advert, then I think they may find it doesn't work as well as they might
hope..

I wonder if they truly think that K3 owners are going to sell their K3's to
buy a Kenwood?

Kenwood still have to produce their radio and independant testing will show
if indeed they got it right.

The TS-480SAT is not what I would call a great radio and yes I sold mine,
the K3 is a great radio that is still evolving and being improved. I don't
expect Kenwood will update their firmware too much after they are enter
production.The TS-570 was also not what I would call a great radio, better
than the IC-718 I found, but not in the class of any Elite radio.

They will need to greatly improve their DSP user adjustments and do it far
better than the TS-480 rigs which I found terrible to use. I decided to try
the TS-480 I had for a week and not turn on the K3 as I was hopeful the
TS-480 would make a good backup and mobile rig..I became disheartened after
a few days and put it on e-bay. No regrets here.

73's
Gary

On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 7:51 AM, ussv dharma <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Kenwood does not see the trees for the forest....the usual Kenwood "non
> customer friendly support" will probably prevail.
>
> One of the best things the K3 has going for it is "CUSTOMER SUPPORT:
>
> END OF STORY
>
> SUSAN
> If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're
> headed!! Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm AFA9SM
> USSV DHARMA
>
>
> --- On Fri, 7/2/10, Lew Phelps K6LMP <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > From: Lew Phelps K6LMP <[hidden email]>
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
> > To: "Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
> > Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 11:19 AM
> > I downloaded this PDF file and
> > uploaded it to a site anyone can access:
> >
> > http://public.me.com/lewphelps
> >
> > Has anyone seen specs and price for the new Kenwood?
> >
> > Lew Phelps K6LMP
> >
> >
> > On Jul 2, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> >
> > > Any chance this exists somewhere where creating a
> > Google account isn't a prerequisite
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
> > >
> > >>
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k6rb

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

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Let's see, now. While Yaesu was making FT-1000s, 9000s, and now 5000s; and
ICOM was making 7800, 7600 and 7700; Kenwood was selling its unimpressive
TS-2000. Now, we're supposed to believe that they've suddenly got religion
and are challenging the K3? Yeah, right. And, even if they actually made a
radio that has decent specs, does anyone really want to deal with Kenwood
customer service? In my opinion, the best radios Kenwood ever made were
the TS-830 and TS-850. Then, it stopped caring. And, so did I...about
Kenwood products, anyway.

Rob K6RB

George Thornton

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

In reply to this post by Kevin Rock

It is inevitable that the competitors would notice the success of the K3
and respond competitively. Kenwood used to make quality HF radios but
long ago lost their way. I would be interested in seeing a review when
one comes out.

In my travels I think there are a number of people who object to the K3
because they like the larger face and more traditional controls such as
individual band and mode registers. Most of these HAMS have not
actually operated much with a K3. In my limited experience the controls
you most want to use while operating are right there and ready for quick
use in the K3. It may be slightly slower to change modes or bands, but
it is not that big a deal.

I think there may be a market for an add-on module that sits next to the
K3 and offers more button and knob options. This may sway the more
traditional. We might speculate as to what we want, but I would
certainly add individual mode and band pushbuttons.

I envisage a box identical in size to the P3, so you would have your add
on module on one side, the K3 in the center and the P3 on the other.

It won't work any better than the K3, but it will look impressive for
those looking for the biggest box with the largest number of controls
and buttons.

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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Kevin Rock
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood

This is broken too. After crashing my system twice I find it is not
worth my time to download the .pdf
Kevin. KD5ONS

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alorona

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

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What was it about that ad that you thought was so negative?
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Dunc Carter - W5DC

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

Yes, what. The ad doesn't really give much info, positive or negative.

Dunc, W5DC

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n7ws

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

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I had the same question.

--- On Fri, 7/2/10, Al Lorona <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Al Lorona <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
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Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 4:50 PM

What was it about that ad that you thought was so negative?
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Gary Gregory

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

The suggestion that K3 owners should consider placing their K3 on e-bay is
not necessary.

Perhaps they might have considered that many HAMs own more than one radio
and more emphasis could have been placed on "adding" the new Kenwood to
their station rather than implying that K3 owners sell their K3 to fund a
Kenwood purchase even before the full specifications of the new Kenwood have
been published and prior to release of the TS-590.

I thought it odd that ML&S found it necessary to even mention the Elecraft
radio.

I can't imagine what they hoped to achieve other than to promote the new
Kenwood offering as the "best" radio available.

Independant testing (Sherwood Labs, RSGB etc) will no doubt run their tests
and if the Kenwood rates close to or even tops their list then this will do
more for Kenwood sales than any advertising a dealer may make.

I may have missed previous advertisements in the past where resellers have
advertised a specific brand/model over another one. I can only assume that
in this case ML&S sell major brands but as they do not sell Elecraft they
felt it necessary to promote the idea of K3 owners selling their K3's and
buying a product from ML&S.

Whilst you/some may think I am being critical of ML&S, I would say that at
first read I felt it odd that the K3 got a mention.

Given my past work history it is not the wording I would have used. Further,
I would have accentuated the positives of the new product I was advertising
with no reference to any other manufacturer whether I was a reseller of
those brands or not.

I was simply making a comment and I make no apologies.

73's
Gary

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> I had the same question.
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> --- On Fri, 7/2/10, Al Lorona <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> From: Al Lorona <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
> To:
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> Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 4:50 PM
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> What was it about that ad that you thought was so negative?
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Joe Planisky

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

In reply to this post by DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL

Congratulations to Wayne, Eric, and the whole Elecraft team! One of
the "big three" have publicly declared the K3 to be the one to beat.
When your competitors start knocking you by name in their
advertisements, you know you've made it.

73
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Doug Person

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

In reply to this post by k6rb

I completely agree with you on the TS-830 and TS-850 - both excellent
rigs and nothing Kenwood has done since comes close. I kind of liked
the TS-480 but eventually sold it. I would think the TS-590 might be
pretty good. It will be interesting though to see what the price comes
out as.

Doug -- KØDXV

On 7/2/2010 4:46 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Let's see, now. While Yaesu was making FT-1000s, 9000s, and now 5000s; and
> ICOM was making 7800, 7600 and 7700; Kenwood was selling its unimpressive
> TS-2000. Now, we're supposed to believe that they've suddenly got religion
> and are challenging the K3? Yeah, right. And, even if they actually made a
> radio that has decent specs, does anyone really want to deal with Kenwood
> customer service? In my opinion, the best radios Kenwood ever made were
> the TS-830 and TS-850. Then, it stopped caring. And, so did I...about
> Kenwood products, anyway.
>
> Rob K6RB
>
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Clark B. Wierda (N8CBW)

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

In reply to this post by Joe Planisky

I like the fact that the K3 is now "the one to beat".

Also, I think this isn't so much directed at current K3 owners (we know
better), but at those that might consider moving to the K3 from the
Yeacomwood lines. Also, as they don't sell K3s, it makes a comparison it
claims is favorable without upsetting their suppliers.

73,
Clark
N8CBW
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bdenley

Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

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I hope everyone realizes that this is NOT a Kenwood ad. It's just a
particular British store's 'provocative' ad.
Brian Denley
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lew Phelps K6LMP" <[hidden email]>
To: "Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood

>I downloaded this PDF file and uploaded it to a site anyone can access:
>
> http://public.me.com/lewphelps
>
> Has anyone seen specs and price for the new Kenwood?
>
> Lew Phelps K6LMP
>

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Pete Smith N4ZR

Ergonomics was : Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

In reply to this post by George Thornton

As a brand new K3 owner, I find complaints about front panel ergonomics
pretty funny. My previous high-end radio was a Yaesu Mark 5, and its
ergonomics were just terrible. In designing the original 1000MP, Yaesu
made some of the most absurd design choices in their placement of
important controls, such as the RF power control, the sub-RX audio gain,
and the RIT. Then, seemingly in order to avoid having to make up a new
front panel casting, they shoehorned the Mark 5's new filter selection
and DSP scheme in where it didn't belong. Chaos!

I find the K3's design almost entirely intuitive. It comes the closest
of any radio I have owned in my 55 years on the air to being a seamless
connection between me and the band I'm working. Well done, guys!

73, Pete N4ZR

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On 7/2/2010 6:47 PM, George A. Thornton wrote:

> It is inevitable that the competitors would notice the success of the K3
> and respond competitively. Kenwood used to make quality HF radios but
> long ago lost their way. I would be interested in seeing a review when
> one comes out.
>
> In my travels I think there are a number of people who object to the K3
> because they like the larger face and more traditional controls such as
> individual band and mode registers. Most of these HAMS have not
> actually operated much with a K3. In my limited experience the controls
> you most want to use while operating are right there and ready for quick
> use in the K3. It may be slightly slower to change modes or bands, but
> it is not that big a deal.
>
> I think there may be a market for an add-on module that sits next to the
> K3 and offers more button and knob options. This may sway the more
> traditional. We might speculate as to what we want, but I would
> certainly add individual mode and band pushbuttons.
>
> I envisage a box identical in size to the P3, so you would have your add
> on module on one side, the K3 in the center and the P3 on the other.
>
> It won't work any better than the K3, but it will look impressive for
> those looking for the biggest box with the largest number of controls
> and buttons.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Kevin Rock
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:36 PM
> To: Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
>
> This is broken too. After crashing my system twice I find it is not
> worth my time to download the .pdf
> Kevin. KD5ONS
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Lew Phelps K6LMP<[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Jul 2, 2010 2:19 PM
>> To: Elecraft<[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
>>
>> I downloaded this PDF file and uploaded it to a site anyone can access:
>>
>> http://public.me.com/lewphelps
>>
>> Has anyone seen specs and price for the new Kenwood?
>>
>> Lew Phelps K6LMP
>>
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Any chance this exists somewhere where creating a Google account
>>>
> isn't a prerequisite
>
>>>
>>> On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
> https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bw6A6YLa6L3rZjhjNWRiMGUtODZiMi00OWM
> 3LTljYmItNWM3ODY2YWU0YjVi&hl=en&authkey=CLe25YAE
>
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Re: rather provocative advert from Kenwood

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Does anyone else feel this looks like a left-handed radio?

I personally would not like the keypad to the left of the tuning knob.

Rick
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