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mwt-3

re:[Elecraft Proset Question]

John,

The adaptor that I received with my Heil Proset K2 does not work at all with my K3 on the front panel connector. However, the mic when plugged into the rear panel works perfectly. Just adding this to the info you've already received.

73,

Ike, W7XG
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k6dgw

re: K3 [Elecraft Proset Question

Ike Topliss wrote:
> John,
>
> The adaptor that I received with my Heil Proset K2 does not work at
> all with my K3 on the front panel connector. However, the mic when
> plugged into the rear panel works perfectly. Just adding this to the
> info you've already received.
>

My experience too using the adapter that came with the K2Proset. Works
fine with the rear connector. I'll wait for some answers here.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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- CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 08
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w7aqk

Re: re: K3 [Elecraft Proset Question

Fred and All,

I believe the adapter supplied with the Elecraft Pro Set is a true Kenwood
adapter. On the K2 you wired the radio for whatever microphone you wanted.
If you wanted to use a Kenwood microphone setup you wired the K2
accordingly. That would put bias on pin 5. The Elecraft Pro Set, which is
an electret with the "IC" cartridge, was deemed to be fully "Kenwood
compatible, and so they just supplied a Kenwood adapter with the Pro Set,
and that worked fine on a K2 wired for Kenwood. Along comes the K3, with
bias preset on pin 6, and they are still sending out the Kenwood adapter. I
think that's why it doesn't work for you. I have the Elecraft Pro Set also,
and I just use the jacks on the back of the K3--no adapter used.

Dave W7AQK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Jensen" <[hidden email]>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:32 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] re: K3 [Elecraft Proset Question

> Ike Topliss wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> The adaptor that I received with my Heil Proset K2 does not work at
>> all with my K3 on the front panel connector. However, the mic when
>> plugged into the rear panel works perfectly. Just adding this to the
>> info you've already received.
>>
>
> My experience too using the adapter that came with the K2Proset. Works
> fine with the rear connector. I'll wait for some answers here.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 08
> - www.cqp.org
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M0XDF

Re: re: K3 [Elecraft Proset Question

My Proset K2 works fine in the front connector of my K2 using the
supplied adapter cable.
This was purchased along with the K3.
The Mic is a 'mono' style 3.5mm (pretty sure it's not 1/8", but the
ever so slightly larger 3.5mm) connector, so the bias must be supplied
to the tip at a guess.
I normally use it in the rear mic socket and so I just set MENU MIC
SEL = RP.L BIAS
(rear panel, low mic gain with bias).
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174

--
God gives every bird his worm, but he does not throw it into the nest.
-Swedish proverb

On 1 May 2008, at 06:39, David Yarnes wrote:

> Fred and All,
>
> I believe the adapter supplied with the Elecraft Pro Set is a true
> Kenwood adapter. On the K2 you wired the radio for whatever
> microphone you wanted. If you wanted to use a Kenwood microphone
> setup you wired the K2 accordingly. That would put bias on pin 5.
> The Elecraft Pro Set, which is an electret with the "IC" cartridge,
> was deemed to be fully "Kenwood compatible, and so they just
> supplied a Kenwood adapter with the Pro Set, and that worked fine on
> a K2 wired for Kenwood. Along comes the K3, with bias preset on pin
> 6, and they are still sending out the Kenwood adapter. I think
> that's why it doesn't work for you. I have the Elecraft Pro Set
> also, and I just use the jacks on the back of the K3--no adapter used.

Ken Wagner K3IU

re: K3 [Elecraft Proset Question

In reply to this post by k6dgw

The Pro-Set that I bought from Elecraft works fine here using both rear
panel jacks and front panel with the adaptor provided. Haven't checked
it on my K2 'cuz it's not set up to provide the bias needed.

73, Ken K3IU
K3 #202
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fred Jensen wrote:

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: re: K3 [Elecraft Proset Question

In reply to this post by w7aqk

Dave,

The Elecraft ProSet K2 does use an adapter that is Kenwood compatible,
and will work just fine with the K3 or with a properly wired mic
configuration header on the K2.
The bias is applied to the AF output line and neither pin 5 nor pin 6
are used in the adapter.

73,
Don W3FPR

David Yarnes wrote:

> Fred and All,
>
> I believe the adapter supplied with the Elecraft Pro Set is a true
> Kenwood adapter. On the K2 you wired the radio for whatever
> microphone you wanted. If you wanted to use a Kenwood microphone setup
> you wired the K2 accordingly. That would put bias on pin 5. The
> Elecraft Pro Set, which is an electret with the "IC" cartridge, was
> deemed to be fully "Kenwood compatible, and so they just supplied a
> Kenwood adapter with the Pro Set, and that worked fine on a K2 wired
> for Kenwood. Along comes the K3, with bias preset on pin 6, and they
> are still sending out the Kenwood adapter. I think that's why it
> doesn't work for you. I have the Elecraft Pro Set also, and I just
> use the jacks on the back of the K3--no adapter used.
>

w7aqk

Re: re: K3 [Elecraft Proset Question

In reply to this post by M0XDF

David and All,

I would guess that that would work. The question is what is really on pin 5
internally right now. The pinout diagram in the manual says pin 5 is a
"Function" pin, and it is marked with an asterisk. The footnote says "if
applicable". So, I'm guessing there is really nothing going to pin 5
internally right now. But you aren't getting bias there either. That's on
pin 6. That's presumably why you have to tell the K3 via menu to turn on
the bias, and it puts bias on the microphone pin. If the supplied adapter
used pin 6 instead of pin 5 I assume you would not have to go to the menu to
get bias. So, I'm guessing now that the real problem would come when they
start using pin 5 for some "function" not yet implemented. Maybe I'm all
wet, but that's what I interpret from the diagram in the manual.

Dave W7AQK

---- Original Message -----
From: "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]>
To: "David Yarnes" <[hidden email]>
Cc: <[hidden email]>; "Elecraft Reflector" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] re: K3 [Elecraft Proset Question

> My Proset K2 works fine in the front connector of my K2 using the
> supplied adapter cable.
> This was purchased along with the K3.
> The Mic is a 'mono' style 3.5mm (pretty sure it's not 1/8", but the ever
> so slightly larger 3.5mm) connector, so the bias must be supplied to the
> tip at a guess.
> I normally use it in the rear mic socket and so I just set MENU MIC SEL =
> RP.L BIAS
> (rear panel, low mic gain with bias).
> 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
>
> --
> God gives every bird his worm, but he does not throw it into the nest.
> -Swedish proverb
>
> On 1 May 2008, at 06:39, David Yarnes wrote:
>
>> Fred and All,
>>
>> I believe the adapter supplied with the Elecraft Pro Set is a true
>> Kenwood adapter. On the K2 you wired the radio for whatever microphone
>> you wanted. If you wanted to use a Kenwood microphone setup you wired
>> the K2 accordingly. That would put bias on pin 5. The Elecraft Pro
>> Set, which is an electret with the "IC" cartridge, was deemed to be
>> fully "Kenwood compatible, and so they just supplied a Kenwood adapter
>> with the Pro Set, and that worked fine on a K2 wired for Kenwood. Along
>> comes the K3, with bias preset on pin 6, and they are still sending out
>> the Kenwood adapter. I think that's why it doesn't work for you. I
>> have the Elecraft Pro Set also, and I just use the jacks on the back of
>> the K3--no adapter used.
>
>

Joe Subich, W4TV-3

RE: re: K3 [Elecraft Proset Question

> The question is what is really on pin 5 internally right now. The
> pinout diagram in the manual says pin 5 is a "Function" pin, and it
> is marked with an asterisk. The footnote says "if applicable". So,
> I'm guessing there is really nothing going to pin 5 internally right
> now.

Why guess? Simply look at the schematics posted in the Elecraft web
site.

Pins 3 (Down), 4 (Up), and 5 (Function) are connected to a resistor
network (voltage divider) that provides a specific (different) voltage
for each of the buttons to a sense input on the controller.

None of the functions have been implemented in the firmware but the
hardware is in place.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Yarnes
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:44 AM
> To: David Ferrington, M0XDF
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] re: K3 [Elecraft Proset Question
>
>
> David and All,
>
> I would guess that that would work. The question is what is
> really on pin 5
> internally right now. The pinout diagram in the manual says
> pin 5 is a
> "Function" pin, and it is marked with an asterisk. The
> footnote says "if
> applicable". So, I'm guessing there is really nothing going to pin 5
> internally right now. But you aren't getting bias there
> either. That's on
> pin 6. That's presumably why you have to tell the K3 via
> menu to turn on
> the bias, and it puts bias on the microphone pin. If the
> supplied adapter
> used pin 6 instead of pin 5 I assume you would not have to go
> to the menu to
> get bias. So, I'm guessing now that the real problem would
> come when they
> start using pin 5 for some "function" not yet implemented.
> Maybe I'm all
> wet, but that's what I interpret from the diagram in the manual.
>
> Dave W7AQK
>
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "David Ferrington, M0XDF" <[hidden email]>
> To: "David Yarnes" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: <[hidden email]>; "Elecraft Reflector"
> <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 1:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] re: K3 [Elecraft Proset Question
>
>
> > My Proset K2 works fine in the front connector of my K2 using the
> > supplied adapter cable.
> > This was purchased along with the K3.
> > The Mic is a 'mono' style 3.5mm (pretty sure it's not 1/8",
> but the ever
> > so slightly larger 3.5mm) connector, so the bias must be
> supplied to the
> > tip at a guess.
> > I normally use it in the rear mic socket and so I just set
> MENU MIC SEL =
> > RP.L BIAS
> > (rear panel, low mic gain with bias).
> > 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
> >
> > --
> > God gives every bird his worm, but he does not throw it
> into the nest.
> > -Swedish proverb
> >
> > On 1 May 2008, at 06:39, David Yarnes wrote:
> >
> >> Fred and All,
> >>
> >> I believe the adapter supplied with the Elecraft Pro Set is a true
> >> Kenwood adapter. On the K2 you wired the radio for
> whatever microphone
> >> you wanted. If you wanted to use a Kenwood microphone
> setup you wired
> >> the K2 accordingly. That would put bias on pin 5. The
> Elecraft Pro
> >> Set, which is an electret with the "IC" cartridge, was
> deemed to be
> >> fully "Kenwood compatible, and so they just supplied a
> Kenwood adapter
> >> with the Pro Set, and that worked fine on a K2 wired for
> Kenwood. Along
> >> comes the K3, with bias preset on pin 6, and they are
> still sending out
> >> the Kenwood adapter. I think that's why it doesn't work
> for you. I
> >> have the Elecraft Pro Set also, and I just use the jacks
> on the back of
> >> the K3--no adapter used.
> >
> >
>
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