selling other radios in favor of a K2

[John Shadle]

Hi all,
I know that some of you have sold (or are planning to sell) your K2 in
favor of the new K3, but I was wondering if you have sold other radios
in favor of a K2 in the past.

I have an IC-735 (1980s 100w HF radio), a FT-817 (QRP HF radio), and a
few VHF/UHF rigs. I want to pick up a K2, but I'm not sure if I will be
really missing out on something if I get rid of my other rigs.

Do any of you have thoughts on the subject?

Thanks in advance for all your input!
-john W4PAH


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[k6dgw]

John Shadle wrote:
> Hi all,
> I know that some of you have sold (or are planning to sell) your K2 in
> favor of the new K3, but I was wondering if you have sold other radios
> in favor of a K2 in the past.

I have not.
>
> I have an IC-735 (1980s 100w HF radio), a FT-817 (QRP HF radio), and a
> few VHF/UHF rigs. I want to pick up a K2, but I'm not sure if I will be
> really missing out on something if I get rid of my other rigs.
>
> Do any of you have thoughts on the subject?

Hi John [and the rest of the list]

FWIW:  I have a TS-850 for HF and an FT-847 I use mainly on VHF/UHF and
as a general coverage radio, and I used to use it in RTTY contests.  I
started with Elecraft building a K2 [and a little later a KX1 to take
with us on a Panama Canal cruise in 2005].  I later purchased a KAT100
and KPA100 from another ham.  I use my K2 a lot, often in the field with
the QRP top.  The K2 RX runs circles around the 850, especially when
KF6T and WX6V are running HP in a contest ... they're less than 2 miles
from me.  However, I didn't want my K2 tied closely into the station
because I like to grab it and the Buddipole and head for a nearby
campground or park during the good weather.  And, other than the IMD
from my two contesting buddies, I like the 850, it has a countable
number of knobs and buttons [and zero menu items], and I've learned to
use maybe half of them pretty well.

I finally moved my RTTY contesting to the K2 because of the filters --
the 847 has no choices and you can't shut off the AGC, so a strong
adjacent signal made the weak new mult I was trying to work just
disappear.  I just ordered a K3.  When I get it, I will sell the TS-850.
  For me, my K2 is more of a "special radio" than a "shack radio."  The
K3 will become my main shack radio [not that it won't be "special" too
:-) ]  I didn't get the gen coverage option since I have the 847.

I would guess that a K2 would pretty much duplicate your FT-817 except I
think the K2 RX would edge out the Yaesu.  With the KPA100, it *could*
replace the IC-735 as a shack radio if you're not into "grab and go"
field operations.  I've seen the K3 twice, and lifted it once.  It could
be a field radio, however I think the power drain would make that
difficult without a generator.  It would make a truly slick HF mobile.
I get all the hamming in the field I can handle in a day on a 12 Ah SLA
with my K2 @ 5W.

YMMV

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2007 CQP Oct 6-7
- www.cqp.org
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[Ken Kopp]

I purchased my K2 (S/N 5665) solely on the "word" of a fellow
DX'peditioner and contester KE7X.  Some of you will recognize
the name of the group Fred belongs to ... Team Vertical.  They
use only K2/00's.  Before retirement limited my spending, I was
a member of this group.

My shack ... all at the same time ... housed an FT-1000D, an
FT-990 and an IC-756 Pro II.  All are fine radios, but since building
my K2 and using it for a year I'm prepared to say it's every bit as
good as any of the three and they've all been sold.  

Yes, part of the reason for selling them is to finance my K3, but
they've not been missed and I have no regrets. If I had wanted to
keep one of them, it would have been the FT-1000D.  An FL-7000
solid state PA went out the door too, along with three KW and two
275 W Matchboxes.

I've been licensed and continously active on CW since 1951 and
it's been a very long time since I've had as much "fun" with the
hobby.  Look for me on 7036 most evenings.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[Brett gazdzinski-2]

I did not sell anything to get my K2, but sold the 756 pro after
I got the K2, since the performance was so much better on the K2.
I did not sell the K2 to get the K3, but sold it because
I ran into a bunch of car bills, and the K3 will get here whenever.

I would not hesitate to sell almost any old rig to get a K2
if you are into CW.

The receiver of the K2 is better than all but a very few radios
like the Orion.

There is no comparison to old rigs like the IC735 or TS440,
although I thought the 735 was a neat little rig.

Now some might like the big knobs, nice displays, multi mode
and more features then the K2 has, but those radios likely
don't work as well as the K2.

Brett
N2DTS

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John Shadle
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 4:24 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] selling other radios in favor of a K2
>
> Hi all,
> I know that some of you have sold (or are planning to sell)
> your K2 in
> favor of the new K3, but I was wondering if you have sold
> other radios
> in favor of a K2 in the past.
>
> I have an IC-735 (1980s 100w HF radio), a FT-817 (QRP HF
> radio), and a
> few VHF/UHF rigs. I want to pick up a K2, but I'm not sure if
> I will be
> really missing out on something if I get rid of my other rigs.
>
> Do any of you have thoughts on the subject?
>
> Thanks in advance for all your input!
> -john W4PAH
>
>

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[Denise&Werner]

The only reason I keep my TS 850 SAT is because no one will give me all
that much for it. For the few bucks return I can leave it on the bench
and look at it.
What can you say, after the Elecraft gear came out it made all the
others less valuable.
Wish I could get half what I paid for it.

Werner   N8BB


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[johnny-52]

Hello Brett,

I am not surprised by your findings especially you are into CW.  IC756pro is
a worse performer when you compare it with pro2 and pro3.

However, if you are into SSB operation, you do need IF shift and manual
Notch within AGC loop.  IC756pro3 performs very well in the DSP Manual Notch
and Noise reduction.

If there is a S9 cw signal besides your S3 ssb signal, DSP manual notch can
eliminate the annoying cw signal and desense of AGC entirely.

I use KDSP2 with my K2.  Its Noise reduction is ok for CW but gives a lot of
artifact under ssb mode. I eventually sold my KDSP2.

I like my K2 and have already ordered my K3.  However, I must admit that
IC756pro3 performs better than K2 in some areas especially under SSB mode.
I am waiting for my K3 and would like to do an A/B comparison with my IC7800
in due course.

cheers,

Johnny Siu VR2XMC


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett gazdzinski" <[hidden email]>
To: "'John Shadle'" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] selling other radios in favor of a K2

>I did not sell anything to get my K2, but sold the 756 pro after
> I got the K2, since the performance was so much better on the K2.
> I did not sell the K2 to get the K3, but sold it because
> I ran into a bunch of car bills, and the K3 will get here whenever.
>
> I would not hesitate to sell almost any old rig to get a K2
> if you are into CW.
>
> The receiver of the K2 is better than all but a very few radios
> like the Orion.
>
> There is no comparison to old rigs like the IC735 or TS440,
> although I thought the 735 was a neat little rig.
>
> Now some might like the big knobs, nice displays, multi mode
> and more features then the K2 has, but those radios likely
> don't work as well as the K2.
>
> Brett
> N2DTS

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[Stephen Prior]

Hi

I'm a delighted new K2 owner with the 10W version, the internal tuner and an
internal battery on the way.  I have decided to amalgamate my home and
portable rigs.  

>From home, I would really like to run 100W.  If I buy the 100W kit for the
K2 however, I can't do the other things with the K2 that I want, such as the
internal atu and the battery pack.  I have looked at add-on amplifiers, but
I want to avoid clanking relays (my operation is 99% CW).

Is it possible to put the Elecraft 100W amp in a separate case (EC2) and
still retain all the nice fast diode switching?  I recently saw a posting
which suggested I might be able to.

Can someone point me in the right direction please?

Thanks and 73

Stephen G4SJP



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[Julian, G4ILO]

I sold an IC-756PRO II. I bought an FT-817 when it came out, to save
disconnecting the K2 if I wanted to use it portable, but I eventually
sold it as I didn't use it much. Later, as the price had dropped a
lot, I bought another FT-817ND. Now that the K2 will soon be reduced
to secondary rig status I may eventually sell the 817ND. The one
advantage it has over the K2 for portable use is its size. I have a
small case into which will go the 817, a T1 ATU, a wire antenna,
cables and mic, and it will fit into a small rucksack with room for
other stuff.

I don't plan on selling the K2, for whatever reason.

--
Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com


On 9/25/07, John Shadle <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I know that some of you have sold (or are planning to sell) your K2 in
> favor of the new K3, but I was wondering if you have sold other radios
> in favor of a K2 in the past.
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[Darwin, Keith]

When I got my K2, there were several rigs that were sold.  I'm a one-rig
kind of guy.  I use them one at a time.  If it doesn't work I don't use
it and if I don't use it, I sell it.  I don't have enough $ to tie it up
in unused rigs.  Bottom line is that I keep only the best of what I
have.

Here's what I didn't keep:

TS-830s - valve finals are a hassle to tune compared to SS.  RX
performance and filtering is inferior to the K2.  Sidetone pitch is too
high, relay based semi QSK turned me off.  I miss the big knobs and real
meter but that's about it.

IC-735 - Mine had the CW filter and the built-in keyer.  RX performance
was not even close to the K2 CW filtering, CW pitch, QSK operation,
overall ergonomics (little slider knobs) all left me wanting much more.
Gen coverage receive was not enough reason to keep an otherwise very
mediocre performer.

TenTec Omni V 0.9 - This baby was very tricked out.  It had a 500 Hz
roofing filter, plus a full set of IF filters.  Very nice rig.  Compared
to the K2, the audio sounded rather harsh / rough.  The AF filter rang a
lot.  The rig had a lot of IF hiss and noise.  SSB performance was OK
with the pair of Inrad 2.8 KHz filters but with the stock filters it was
to narrow.  Overall I just couldn't stand to listen to it for any length
of time.

TenTec Century 21 - It took me about 30 seconds to realize I'd never use
this rig.

TenTec Century 22 - Nice rig, in a way, but not for anything more than
very casual QSOs on non-crowded bands.

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -

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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John Shadle

Hi all,
I know that some of you have sold (or are planning to sell) your K2 in
favor of the new K3, but I was wondering if you have sold other radios
in favor of a K2 in the past.

I have an IC-735 (1980s 100w HF radio), a FT-817 (QRP HF radio), and a
few VHF/UHF rigs. I want to pick up a K2, but I'm not sure if I will be
really missing out on something if I get rid of my other rigs.

Do any of you have thoughts on the subject?

Thanks in advance for all your input!
-john W4PAH


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[Don Wilhelm-4]

Stephen,

If you want to retain the QRP packaging at all times, you can mount the
KPA100 in an EC2 enclosure.  It does require that you add the KIO2 to be
base K2 in order to provide a path for the internal control signals the
K2 uses to communicate with the KPA100.

If the KPA100 is mounted in the separate enclosure, the KAT2 is
automatically bypassed (you must connect the KPA100 input to the ANT1
jack) - but when you want to operate QRP portable, just remove the cable
from the AUX I/O connector and the ANT1 jack and take the K2 with you
leaving the KPA100 behind.

While separate mounting of the KPA100 alone is not an Elecraft approved
mod, it is a fact that the KAT100-2 contains all the headers and
connections necessary to mount that tuner along with the KPA100 in a
separate EC2 enclosure.  The KIO2 is still need to provide the
communications to the KAT100/KPA100 combination.

73,
Don W3FPR

Stephen Prior wrote:

> Hi
>
> I'm a delighted new K2 owner with the 10W version, the internal tuner and an
> internal battery on the way.  I have decided to amalgamate my home and
> portable rigs.  
>
> >From home, I would really like to run 100W.  If I buy the 100W kit for the
> K2 however, I can't do the other things with the K2 that I want, such as the
> internal atu and the battery pack.  I have looked at add-on amplifiers, but
> I want to avoid clanking relays (my operation is 99% CW).
>
> Is it possible to put the Elecraft 100W amp in a separate case (EC2) and
> still retain all the nice fast diode switching?  I recently saw a posting
> which suggested I might be able to.
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction please?
>
> Thanks and 73
>
> Stephen G4SJP
>
>
>
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[Dave Van Wallaghen]

Hi Stephen,

> Is it possible to put the Elecraft 100W amp in a separate case (EC2) and
> still retain all the nice fast diode switching?  I recently saw a posting
> which suggested I might be able to.
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction please?
>

I did exactly this with my K2/100. I put my KPA100 in an EC2 enclosure with
a KAT100 and bought the battery option, KAT2 ATU and KIO2 for my base K2. It
allows me to (as Ron pointed out - the no screwdriver option) unplug a
couple of cables and take my K2 portable in 30 seconds. Plug the cables back
in and I'm running QRO from the shack again.

Lyle Johnson, KK7P, has a detailed explanation on his website on how to
accomplish this: http://www.kk7p.com/k2kpa100.html

I opted to buy a KIO2 module for my basic K2 so that the split would require
a minimal amount of work and just seemed cleaner to me than having to
manufacture a custom cable from the K2 to the EC2 enclosure. (The custom
cable is need to bring the AUXBUS signals from the K2 over to the KPA100.
Using the KIO2 simply requires using the existing cable you built with the
KAT100, provided you have one). Lyle shows you how to do it both ways.
Toward the bottom of that page, he details how to make the split with a KIO2
module in the K2. YMMV.

As Ron pointed out, this is not an Elecraft mod nor do they support it. But
many, including myself, have made this modification and been very happy with
it.

Don't hesitate to ask questions about it - it really is pretty simple, looks
good and for me, makes it a no-brainer to go from shack to portable in
seconds.

73,
Dave W8FGU

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[dave.wilburn]

If you like to listen to frequencies other than the ham band, I would
keep one other rig.  I enjoy my K2 very much, but I do like to listen
around on other stuff periodically, and once in a "great" while, play
with some FM and AM.  As a result, I will likely have another rig
around.  Hopefully I will have an opportunity to get a K3 before prices
go up.  That would fulfill most of my needs, though I would likely keep
one rig around, primarily as a listening rig, and use the K2 / K3 as
operating rigs.

David Wilburn
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Darwin, Keith wrote:

> When I got my K2, there were several rigs that were sold.  I'm a one-rig
> kind of guy.  I use them one at a time.  If it doesn't work I don't use
> it and if I don't use it, I sell it.  I don't have enough $ to tie it up
> in unused rigs.  Bottom line is that I keep only the best of what I
> have.
>
> Here's what I didn't keep:
>
> TS-830s - valve finals are a hassle to tune compared to SS.  RX
> performance and filtering is inferior to the K2.  Sidetone pitch is too
> high, relay based semi QSK turned me off.  I miss the big knobs and real
> meter but that's about it.
>
> IC-735 - Mine had the CW filter and the built-in keyer.  RX performance
> was not even close to the K2 CW filtering, CW pitch, QSK operation,
> overall ergonomics (little slider knobs) all left me wanting much more.
> Gen coverage receive was not enough reason to keep an otherwise very
> mediocre performer.
>
> TenTec Omni V 0.9 - This baby was very tricked out.  It had a 500 Hz
> roofing filter, plus a full set of IF filters.  Very nice rig.  Compared
> to the K2, the audio sounded rather harsh / rough.  The AF filter rang a
> lot.  The rig had a lot of IF hiss and noise.  SSB performance was OK
> with the pair of Inrad 2.8 KHz filters but with the stock filters it was
> to narrow.  Overall I just couldn't stand to listen to it for any length
> of time.
>
> TenTec Century 21 - It took me about 30 seconds to realize I'd never use
> this rig.
>
> TenTec Century 22 - Nice rig, in a way, but not for anything more than
> very casual QSOs on non-crowded bands.
>
> - Keith N1AS -
> - K2 5411.ssb.100 -
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John Shadle
>
> Hi all,
> I know that some of you have sold (or are planning to sell) your K2 in
> favor of the new K3, but I was wondering if you have sold other radios
> in favor of a K2 in the past.
>
> I have an IC-735 (1980s 100w HF radio), a FT-817 (QRP HF radio), and a
> few VHF/UHF rigs. I want to pick up a K2, but I'm not sure if I will be
> really missing out on something if I get rid of my other rigs.
>
> Do any of you have thoughts on the subject?
>
> Thanks in advance for all your input!
> -john W4PAH
>
>
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[Gary D Krause]

I posted this yesterday but, it didn't show up.  Here goes again.  I sold my
Argonaut V to get a K2.  I like the K2 much better than the Argonaut V.  To
me, the crystal filtering is much "cleaner" to listen too.  The Argo had DSP
filtering but, it sounded "muddy" to me.  I didn't like the meter on the
Argonaut V either.  It looked cheap.  Also the K2 seems to perform better on
SSB the the Argo did.  I had both, the hand mic and desk mic for the Argo but,
neither seem to perform as well as the Kenwood MC-60A and K2 configuration.
 I'm really happy with my K2.  I ordered my K2 just two days before they
announced the K3...if only I had waited just a couple of days!!!  :-)

Gary, N7HTS


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[Gary D Krause]

Yes but, the neat thing about the K3 is that you don't need to order one fully
loaded.  You can add to it as you go.  Also, I doubt that anyone would even
need one fully loaded with all the options.

I don't really feel bad because, I would have had to wait if I had ordered it.
 I can still order one but, I want to see how it is receeived by the ham
population first.  Also, I have some reservations about the future of ham
radio but, that's another subject.

So, in the meantime we can enjoy our K2 and Orion II while the rest sweat it
out. :-)

Gary, N7HTS


On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:04:45 -0400
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> Don't feel bad ...................... I BOUGHT A ORION II a month before the
>K-3 announcement :-(((((((((
>
> But the ORION II is great, but EXPENSIVE , but a fully tricked out K-3 is
>pretty close in price !
>
> Walt K8CV Royal Oak, MI.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary D Krause" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] selling other radios in favor of a K2
>
>
>>I posted this yesterday but, it didn't show up.  Here goes again.  I sold my
>>Argonaut V to get a K2.  I like the K2 much better than the Argonaut V. To
>>me, the crystal filtering is much "cleaner" to listen too.  The Argo had DSP
>>filtering but, it sounded "muddy" to me.  I didn't like the meter on the
>>Argonaut V either.  It looked cheap.  Also the K2 seems to perform better on
>>SSB the the Argo did.  I had both, the hand mic and desk mic for the Argo
>>but, neither seem to perform as well as the Kenwood MC-60A and K2
>>configuration. I'm really happy with my K2.  I ordered my K2 just two days
>>before they announced the K3...if only I had waited just a couple of days!!!
>> :-)
>>
>> Gary, N7HTS
>>
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[Stephen Prior]

Hi gents

I'm most grateful for the responses to my query.  I shall certainly be going
down the EC2 with KPA100 route for it seems to me to represent having my
cake AND eating it!

To the gentleman who so kindly pointed me towards the 600W amplifier, I
think I'll hold that as a future project!  Excellent value for money though
with such a small drive level.


Thanks!!

73 Stephen G4SJP





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