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settle a distpute with the KX1

mc-20
Need some help in settling dispute, please bring some cold beer on this one.

Using our KX1 with a 2 watt output with a antenna with an advertised gain of
2.6 db. Will a 2.6 db gain give us an output be an effectively 3.8 watts.


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RE: settle a distpute with the KX1

W7RY
Yes. You are correct.

With 3dB gain you would have 4 watts ERP

73
Jim W7RY



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Need some help in settling dispute, please bring some cold beer on this
one.

Using our KX1 with a 2 watt output with a antenna with an advertised
gain of
2.6 db. Will a 2.6 db gain give us an output be an effectively 3.8
watts.


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Re: settle a distpute with the KX1

Ron-73
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mc wrote:

> Need some help in settling dispute, please bring some cold beer on
> this one.
>
> Using our KX1 with a 2 watt output with a antenna with an advertised
> gain of 2.6 db. Will a 2.6 db gain give us an output be an effectively
> 3.8 watts.
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
    Point one. "advertised gain".  Be suspicious of any "advertised"
gain figures. Is it dbi, dbd,? Etc
    Point two.  This might be 2.6 dbi,  gain over an isotropic radiator,
a hypothetical antenna. However, nobody uses anything that is an
isotropic radiator. Look up isotropic radiator. Similar to "black body
radiation".  Sort of impossible to achieve.  However,  if the 2.6db gain
were 2.6dbd, (gain over a dipole), you would realize a nearly doubling
in effective radiated power (in a certain direction) over the original
dipole in the same direction.
.  Then there is the whole discussion about what it effectively does to
the actual received signal.  Worldradio magazine has a monthly column
about "aerials", which constantly discusses these issues.  Bottom line,
better antenna, better signal. How much better? That is subjective, even
with the decimal points.  Boys and girls?  What am I missing here?  
Antennas are as mystical as radio itself, and it will be hard to collect
your beer on this one..
Ron KB6GK
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Re: settle a distpute with the KX1

Ian Stirling, G4ICV, AB2GR
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On Saturday 08 October 2005 19:07, mc wrote:
> Need some help in settling dispute, please bring some cold beer on this one.
>
> Using our KX1 with a 2 watt output with a antenna with an advertised gain of
> 2.6 db. Will a 2.6 db gain give us an output be an effectively 3.8 watts.

2.6 dB = 0.26 B
10 ^ 0.26 = 1.82
1.82 * 2 = 3.64 W

Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962
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Re: settle a distpute with the KX1

Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/KC8NHF
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Sounds about right.


On Saturday 08 Oct 2005 19:07, mc wrote:
> Need some help in settling dispute, please bring some cold beer on this one.
>
> Using our KX1 with a 2 watt output with a antenna with an advertised gain of
> 2.6 db. Will a 2.6 db gain give us an output be an effectively 3.8 watts.
>
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Re: settle a distpute with the KX1

DYARNES
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In a message dated 10/8/2005 12:49:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time,  
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On  Saturday 08 October 2005 19:07, mc wrote:
> Need some help in settling  dispute, please bring some cold beer on this
one.
>
> Using our  KX1 with a 2 watt output with a antenna with an advertised gain
of
>  2.6 db. Will a 2.6 db gain give us an output be an effectively 3.8 watts.  

2.6 dB = 0.26 B
10 ^ 0.26 = 1.82
1.82 * 2 = 3.64 W

Ian,  G4ICV, AB2GR, K2  #4962
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Well, I'm too lazy to do the math, but 3 db is a double in power--the scale  
is logrithmic, so 2.6 db should be damn close to 3.64 watts--certainly close  
enough to not make a hoot of difference between that and what 3 db would  do.  
I'm probably not going to win anything here, but Brit beer is so good,  I
just had to chime in!!!!
 
Dave W7AQK
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Re: settle a distpute with the KX1

Tom Hammond-3
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Hi mc:

It'll give you an 'advertised' 3.8 watts!  Or course, REAL LIFE output
could be something completely different.

73,

Tom   N0SS

At 02:07 PM 10/8/2005, mc wrote:

>Need some help in settling dispute, please bring some cold beer on this one.
>
>Using our KX1 with a 2 watt output with a antenna with an advertised gain
>of 2.6 db. Will a 2.6 db gain give us an output be an effectively 3.8 watts.
>
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