Elecraft

suggestions for EQP practice

Classic

List

Threaded

6 messages Options

David A. Belsley

suggestions for EQP practice

May I suggest that we try to make the EQP contest unique among current
contests by attempting to give actual (meaningful) signal reports.
Because of the association of this content with QRP, the wholesale use
of 5nn seems really quite out of place. It will also be good practice
to those who haven't fully come to grips with the proper use of RST
reports to learn to make snap judgments about a proper report. Those
snap judgments are usually pretty good, often better than ones that get
deeper consideration.

And if you are looking to find a way to make up for the little bit of
time it takes to give an honest report, consider adopting, in place of
sending "K2 nr 4321" or "K1 nr 548" simply 2/4321 or 1/548.

Looking forward to getting some new s/n's, (there aren't any more
states)

dave belsley, w1euy, 2/744
_______________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Post to: [hidden email]
You must be a subscriber to post to the list.
Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.):
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm
Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com

wayne burdick

Re: suggestions for EQP practice

Administrator

David wrote:

> May I suggest that we try to make the EQP contest unique among current
> contests by attempting to give actual (meaningful) signal reports.
> Because of the association of this content with QRP, the wholesale use
> of 5nn seems really quite out of place. It will also be good practice
> to those who haven't fully come to grips with the proper use of RST
> reports to learn to make snap judgments about a proper report. Those
> snap judgments are usually pretty good, often better than ones that
> get deeper consideration.

I agree with your suggestion of giving meaningful signal reports. I'd
stay away from a shorthand report of serial number, though, because it
might confuse someone casually dropping into the contest. The extra "K"
and "SN" will take a small percentage of actual operating time.

Regarding your final comment:

> Looking forward to getting some new s/n's, (there aren't any more
> states)....

I live in Northern Californis, which by all rights should be declared
#51 ;)

73,
Wayne
N6RK

---

http://www.elecraft.com

_______________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Post to: [hidden email]
You must be a subscriber to post to the list.
Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.):
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm
Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com

mikekopacki

Re: suggestions for EQP practice

In reply to this post by David A. Belsley

David, I would disagree with you.

One of the things that make contesting a little bit easier (sometimes) is the fact that there is a published exchange, and if everyone follows it, I think it ends up providing much smoother contacts because you "know" what's coming next.

How many times has someone sent something out of order in a contest, and that's the way you copied it into your logger, then you had to go back and reenter the fields because now it's not right?

Everyone is going to be expecting a "K" as the first letter in the rig portion of the exchange for almost all of their qso's. Sending something different, especially a number instead of a letter (in this case) I think will just cause more problems for most people and would not justify trying to save the amount of time it takes to sent a "K".

Having said that, hope to see you on the air. K

72,
Mike, NJ2OM

>
> From: David A.Belsley <[hidden email]>
> Date: 2005/03/10 Thu AM 07:47:37 CST
> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] suggestions for EQP practice
>
> May I suggest that we try to make the EQP contest unique among current
> contests by attempting to give actual (meaningful) signal reports.
> Because of the association of this content with QRP, the wholesale use
> of 5nn seems really quite out of place. It will also be good practice
> to those who haven't fully come to grips with the proper use of RST
> reports to learn to make snap judgments about a proper report. Those
> snap judgments are usually pretty good, often better than ones that get
> deeper consideration.
>
> And if you are looking to find a way to make up for the little bit of
> time it takes to give an honest report, consider adopting, in place of
> sending "K2 nr 4321" or "K1 nr 548" simply 2/4321 or 1/548.
>
> Looking forward to getting some new s/n's, (there aren't any more
> states)
>
> dave belsley, w1euy, 2/744
> _______________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Post to: [hidden email]
> You must be a subscriber to post to the list.
> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.):
> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm
> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
>

_______________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Post to: [hidden email]
You must be a subscriber to post to the list.
Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.):
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm
Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com

mikekopacki

Re: suggestions for EQP practice

In reply to this post by David A. Belsley

David, I replied to this once but didn't see it show up so if it shows up twice, I apologize.

I would disagree with you on your suggestion.

One of the things that makes contesting a little easier (sometimes) is that the exchanges are publishes, so you "know" what to expect next.

How many times has someone in a contest sent the exchange out of order, and that's the way you copied it into your logger, then you had to go back and retype the affected fields to get it right? And if you're really cooking in a run, sometimes you might not even realize it until you [Enter] and get some message about the info you entered was incorrect.

Since the exchange has been published, most people are going to be expecting the letter "K" as the first character in the rig portion of the exchange for most of their qso's. Changing that to a "2" followed by a slash, etc etc is just going to add confusion.

Having to resend the exchange just one time is going to offset a lot of the time saved by not sending a "K".

And that's not even considering the folks who may not be on this reflector and never seeing your post.

Having said all that, hope to see you on the air. K

72,
Mike, NJ2OM

4z1tl

EQP from 4X-land

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

Hello all
CDX seems not so favorable here near TEL AVIV (KM72KE) - but I will give it
my best.
I will be QRV as 4X0L mainly on 20m & 15m.
GL & 73
Isaac, 4Z4TL K2 #1574.

P.S: I promise to answer all "not rare, very common" places like WY ND SD
MT...
[hidden email]
http://www.iarc.org/~4z4tl

_______________________________________________
Elecraft mailing list
Post to: [hidden email]
You must be a subscriber to post to the list.
Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.):
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm
Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com

David A. Belsley

Re: suggestions for EQP practice

In reply to this post by mikekopacki

Mike:
Well, I agree that my suggestion to use the short-hand response is
not that good, but not for the reason you give. Wayne correctly
pointed out that it would confuse informal participants, and I think
that is true. However, your concern does not really have force. Since
non-Elecraft participants will not be using a response that includes
the K, there is no reason anyone should, a priori, be expecting the K
as the first letter of the exchange. But, be that as it may, I agree
with your ultimate conclusion. And, yep, with an NJ2 call, we ought be
able to hook up, or, boy, the bands will be in very bad shape.

best wishes,

dave belsley, w1euy

On Mar 11, 2005, at 6:19 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

> David, I would disagree with you.
>
> One of the things that make contesting a little bit easier (sometimes)
> is the fact that there is a published exchange, and if everyone
> follows it, I think it ends up providing much smoother contacts
> because you "know" what's coming next.
>
> How many times has someone sent something out of order in a contest,
> and that's the way you copied it into your logger, then you had to go
> back and reenter the fields because now it's not right?
>
> Everyone is going to be expecting a "K" as the first letter in the rig
> portion of the exchange for almost all of their qso's. Sending
> something different, especially a number instead of a letter (in this
> case) I think will just cause more problems for most people and would
> not justify trying to save the amount of time it takes to sent a "K".
>
> Having said that, hope to see you on the air. K
>
> 72,
> Mike, NJ2OM
>
>
>
>>
>> From: David A.Belsley <[hidden email]>
>> Date: 2005/03/10 Thu AM 07:47:37 CST
>> To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] suggestions for EQP practice
>>
>> May I suggest that we try to make the EQP contest unique among current
>> contests by attempting to give actual (meaningful) signal reports.
>> Because of the association of this content with QRP, the wholesale use
>> of 5nn seems really quite out of place. It will also be good practice
>> to those who haven't fully come to grips with the proper use of RST
>> reports to learn to make snap judgments about a proper report. Those
>> snap judgments are usually pretty good, often better than ones that
>> get
>> deeper consideration.
>>
>> And if you are looking to find a way to make up for the little bit of
>> time it takes to give an honest report, consider adopting, in place of
>> sending "K2 nr 4321" or "K1 nr 548" simply 2/4321 or 1/548.
>>
>> Looking forward to getting some new s/n's, (there aren't any more
>> states)
>>
>> dave belsley, w1euy, 2/744
>> _______________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Post to: [hidden email]
>> You must be a subscriber to post to the list.
>> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.):
>> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm
>> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
>>
>
>