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Nicholas Farrar-2

Big Box K-3

Im not asking for a K4. Im looking for a K3A upgrade. A larger case I can
put the guts of my K3 in with a larger face(bigger screen and more buttons).
This is not a completely new radio but a OPTIONAL upgrade to the K3 for
those that want it. I understand a lot of people are happy with the size of
their K3. Great they wouldn't want the K3A upgrade. I how ever would. I
think a P3 built into the K3A face would be GREAT! Maybe the option to house
either power supply OR amp! With the exception of the case and faceplate
buttons and screen and power supply these are off the shelf parts. P3 is
already in production and the KPA500 is rumored to drop this winter. I would
also like a keyboard port. I want to be able to type PSK31 and RTTY with out
an external PC. Imagine that! 500w RTTY in one box! Yes it would be heavy
and some people wouldn't like it. Others would. Again Im not asking for a
whole new radio. All that i'm asking for requires little development by
elecraft, more repackaging. In the end would result in a top shelf KILLER.

In closing the Elecraft K3 is GREAT! I am the VERY proud owner of K3
#4455(great number!). the K3 has exceeded almost every expectation I had for
a kit radio. That doesn't mean it couldn't be even better. I think yes. I
personally would like a "larger" desktop K3(a). I would like the be able to
perform this fictonal upgrade on the K3 components I have now. It you dont
want or need these upgrades... Don't order or install them. This is a
challenge to Eric and Wayne.

--
Nicholas W. Farrar
Network Engineer / IT Coordinator

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Lou Kolb

Re: Big Box K-3

I certainly agree on the keyboard port. I'm currently using a k1el k40
external keyer with a keyboard because I'm a better typist than iambist to
coin a term. It works fine but I'd love to just be able to plug the
keyboard right into the rig and use that fine internal keyer. Lou --
WA3MIX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicholas Farrar" <[hidden email]>
To: "elecraft" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:45 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Big Box K-3

> Im not asking for a K4. Im looking for a K3A upgrade. A larger case I can
> put the guts of my K3 in with a larger face(bigger screen and more
> buttons).
> This is not a completely new radio but a OPTIONAL upgrade to the K3 for
> those that want it. I understand a lot of people are happy with the size
> of
> their K3. Great they wouldn't want the K3A upgrade. I how ever would. I
> think a P3 built into the K3A face would be GREAT! Maybe the option to
> house
> either power supply OR amp! With the exception of the case and faceplate
> buttons and screen and power supply these are off the shelf parts. P3 is
> already in production and the KPA500 is rumored to drop this winter. I
> would
> also like a keyboard port. I want to be able to type PSK31 and RTTY with
> out
> an external PC. Imagine that! 500w RTTY in one box! Yes it would be heavy
> and some people wouldn't like it. Others would. Again Im not asking for a
> whole new radio. All that i'm asking for requires little development by
> elecraft, more repackaging. In the end would result in a top shelf KILLER.
>
> In closing the Elecraft K3 is GREAT! I am the VERY proud owner of K3
> #4455(great number!). the K3 has exceeded almost every expectation I had
> for
> a kit radio. That doesn't mean it couldn't be even better. I think yes. I
> personally would like a "larger" desktop K3(a). I would like the be able
> to
> perform this fictonal upgrade on the K3 components I have now. It you dont
> want or need these upgrades... Don't order or install them. This is a
> challenge to Eric and Wayne.
>
> --
> Nicholas W. Farrar
> Network Engineer / IT Coordinator
>
> Brown Folse PACS
> [hidden email]
>
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Brett Howard

Re: Big Box K-3

The P3 has a keyboard port on it and will allow you to do that.
Personally I like things more modular so that if/when I need to take
things I only have to take the pieces I need. I'm ok with cables an
really like the additional buttons the P3 brings. I'm certain that at
some point one will be able to associate macros with buttons on the P3
and I also feel like the P3 could be integrated to also make the menus
of the K3 more user friendly.

~Brett (N7MG)

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Lou Kolb <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I certainly agree on the keyboard port. I'm currently using a k1el k40
> external keyer with a keyboard because I'm a better typist than iambist to
> coin a term. It works fine but I'd love to just be able to plug the
> keyboard right into the rig and use that fine internal keyer. Lou --
> WA3MIX
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicholas Farrar" <[hidden email]>
> To: "elecraft" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:45 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Big Box K-3
>
>
>> Im not asking for a K4. Im looking for a K3A upgrade. A larger case I can
>> put the guts of my K3 in with a larger face(bigger screen and more
>> buttons).
>> This is not a completely new radio but a OPTIONAL upgrade to the K3 for
>> those that want it. I understand a lot of people are happy with the size
>> of
>> their K3. Great they wouldn't want the K3A upgrade. I how ever would. I
>> think a P3 built into the K3A face would be GREAT! Maybe the option to
>> house
>> either power supply OR amp! With the exception of the case and faceplate
>> buttons and screen and power supply these are off the shelf parts. P3 is
>> already in production and the KPA500 is rumored to drop this winter. I
>> would
>> also like a keyboard port. I want to be able to type PSK31 and RTTY with
>> out
>> an external PC. Imagine that! 500w RTTY in one box! Yes it would be heavy
>> and some people wouldn't like it. Others would. Again Im not asking for a
>> whole new radio. All that i'm asking for requires little development by
>> elecraft, more repackaging. In the end would result in a top shelf KILLER.
>>
>> In closing the Elecraft K3 is GREAT! I am the VERY proud owner of K3
>> #4455(great number!). the K3 has exceeded almost every expectation I had
>> for
>> a kit radio. That doesn't mean it couldn't be even better. I think yes. I
>> personally would like a "larger" desktop K3(a). I would like the be able
>> to
>> perform this fictonal upgrade on the K3 components I have now. It you dont
>> want or need these upgrades... Don't order or install them. This is a
>> challenge to Eric and Wayne.
>>
>> --
>> Nicholas W. Farrar
>> Network Engineer / IT Coordinator
>>
>> Brown Folse PACS
>> [hidden email]
>>
>> Office 318-595-0451
>> Mobile 318-381-9863
>> Fax 866-248-6128
>> ______________________________________________________________
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Gary Gregory

Re: Big Box K-3

Brett,

I think somewhere in the archives there is a comment from Elecraft regarding
the PF buttons on the P3 being able to operate some features/menus on the
K3?.

This will of course be a future FW version.

Modular is a much better way to go and Elecraft have done a great job.

I would NOT go backwards to a 66Lb monstrosity that is so deep I had to buy
a new desktop to sit it on otherwise I had no room for the base microphone.
Tell me again how I miss that radio...NOT

The K3 is a great size for me, and many others. I can accept that there is a
small percentage of K3 owners that would like a larger faceplate, and then
they want to add buttons and knobs and their opinions should be respected.
Those of us who prefer the status quo should also be respected.

A K3 with an internal 500W amplifier, power supply and a P3 would be rather
large and heavy. The footprint and weight would render it pretty darn
restrictive to ship out on a Dxpedition where weight and volume are more
often than not of critical importance, let alone the cost involved in
shipping etc.

But we still get a lot of creative ideas on the reflector and that's a good
thing eh?

Gary

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Brett Howard <[hidden email]>wrote:

> The P3 has a keyboard port on it and will allow you to do that.
> Personally I like things more modular so that if/when I need to take
> things I only have to take the pieces I need. I'm ok with cables an
> really like the additional buttons the P3 brings. I'm certain that at
> some point one will be able to associate macros with buttons on the P3
> and I also feel like the P3 could be integrated to also make the menus
> of the K3 more user friendly.
>
> ~Brett (N7MG)
>
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Lou Kolb <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I certainly agree on the keyboard port. I'm currently using a k1el k40
> > external keyer with a keyboard because I'm a better typist than iambist
> to
> > coin a term. It works fine but I'd love to just be able to plug the
> > keyboard right into the rig and use that fine internal keyer. Lou --
> > WA3MIX
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nicholas Farrar" <[hidden email]>
> > To: "elecraft" <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:45 PM
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Big Box K-3
> >
> >
> >> Im not asking for a K4. Im looking for a K3A upgrade. A larger case I
> can
> >> put the guts of my K3 in with a larger face(bigger screen and more
> >> buttons).
> >> This is not a completely new radio but a OPTIONAL upgrade to the K3 for
> >> those that want it. I understand a lot of people are happy with the size
> >> of
> >> their K3. Great they wouldn't want the K3A upgrade. I how ever would. I
> >> think a P3 built into the K3A face would be GREAT! Maybe the option to
> >> house
> >> either power supply OR amp! With the exception of the case and faceplate
> >> buttons and screen and power supply these are off the shelf parts. P3 is
> >> already in production and the KPA500 is rumored to drop this winter. I
> >> would
> >> also like a keyboard port. I want to be able to type PSK31 and RTTY with
> >> out
> >> an external PC. Imagine that! 500w RTTY in one box! Yes it would be
> heavy
> >> and some people wouldn't like it. Others would. Again Im not asking for
> a
> >> whole new radio. All that i'm asking for requires little development by
> >> elecraft, more repackaging. In the end would result in a top shelf
> KILLER.
> >>
> >> In closing the Elecraft K3 is GREAT! I am the VERY proud owner of K3
> >> #4455(great number!). the K3 has exceeded almost every expectation I had
> >> for
> >> a kit radio. That doesn't mean it couldn't be even better. I think yes.
> I
> >> personally would like a "larger" desktop K3(a). I would like the be able
> >> to
> >> perform this fictonal upgrade on the K3 components I have now. It you
> dont
> >> want or need these upgrades... Don't order or install them. This is a
> >> challenge to Eric and Wayne.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Nicholas W. Farrar
> >> Network Engineer / IT Coordinator
> >>
> >> Brown Folse PACS
> >> [hidden email]
> >>
> >> Office 318-595-0451
> >> Mobile 318-381-9863
> >> Fax 866-248-6128
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Big Box K-3

In reply to this post by Brett Howard

Brett,

I think the K3 gets an undeserved "bad rap" for the menus. The main
menu has only 13 items in it, and those are the items most likely to be
changed during operation. Assigning these menu items to buttons might
make sense in some instances, but I don't change mics very often, nor do
I change the LED or LCD brightness often, so even the MAIN menu in my K3
gets little use.

Yes, the CONFIG menu is large and has many settings, but those are
usually changed only as one has occasion to add options, or experiment
with some of the settings to see if the operation of the K3 can be
improved (such as the AGC settings). I cannot see the CONFIG menu items
needing a button because they should not be needed in normal operation -
experiment a bit to determine the best setting, and then leave it
there. Too much "monkeying" with the CONFIG menu can lead to
unintentional changes that cause "stange and confusing happenings".

If there is a need to access a CONFIG menu item frequently, perhaps one
should lobby for moving that menu item to the main menu.

73,
Don W3FPR

Brett Howard wrote:
> ... make the menus
> of the K3 more user friendly.
>
> ~Brett (N7MG)
>
>
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W8JI

Re: Big Box K-3

In reply to this post by Gary Gregory

> I think somewhere in the archives there is a comment from Elecraft
> regarding
> the PF buttons on the P3 being able to operate some features/menus on the
> K3?.

I programmed the M1 through M4 buttons for bandwidth instead of using the
rotary knob. Much better for CW.

I would like to disable the attenuator so ops don't push too long and turn
it on. With my station I never use the ATT function, just preamp on or off.

The only other issue is the A>B split button and A/B. It would be nice to
have a second frequency tucked away for instant recall with one quick tap,
not what is on VFO A or B. I think what people really miss is being able to
tap the band buttons and have two frequencies stored in each band button
like a Yaesu will do. I really miss those band buttons. :-)

The size isn't as important to operators here (or me) as being able to make
the above happen fast while distracted. I'd take a bigger box to have those
band buttons.

73 Tom

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Big Box K-3

Tom,

If what you want is two fixed frequencies on each band for instant
recall, try using CONFIG: MEM 0-9 set to NOR. Store the desired
frequencies for each band in memory locations 0 thru 9. Tapping M>V and
then the button for that band will bring up the two pre-set
frequencies. If CONFIG: MEM 0-9 is set to BAND SEL, it will bring up
the last used frequency on that band.
I know it is two button taps instead of one, but that is the best I can
do with the existing K3 buttons.

The band that corresponds to each of the 0-9 buttons is user definable -
just set the memories the way you want to correspond with the buttons.
In fact, if you want 10 different 'spots' on 160 meters, that is
possible too, just set them all to two frequencies on 160 with CONFIG:
MEM 0-9 set to NOR.

I can't help with eliminating the ATT hold button.

73,
Don W3FPR

Tom W8JI wrote:

> I programmed the M1 through M4 buttons for bandwidth instead of using the
> rotary knob. Much better for CW.
>
> I would like to disable the attenuator so ops don't push too long and turn
> it on. With my station I never use the ATT function, just preamp on or off.
>
> The only other issue is the A>B split button and A/B. It would be nice to
> have a second frequency tucked away for instant recall with one quick tap,
> not what is on VFO A or B. I think what people really miss is being able to
> tap the band buttons and have two frequencies stored in each band button
> like a Yaesu will do. I really miss those band buttons. :-)
>
> The size isn't as important to operators here (or me) as being able to make
> the above happen fast while distracted. I'd take a bigger box to have those
> band buttons.
>
> 73 Tom
>
>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Big Box K-3

In reply to this post by W8JI

Tom,

> I programmed the M1 through M4 buttons for bandwidth instead of using
> the rotary knob. Much better for CW.

You can recall the default bandwidth for each roofing filter by using
the XFIL button. If you then used PF1/PF2 for two other bandwidths
you would not tie up M1 - M4.

> It would be nice to have a second frequency tucked away for instant
> recall with one quick tap, not what is on VFO A or B.

If you free up M1 - M4 you can store four frequencies per band ... to
save them it's V>M M1-M4, to recall them it's M>V M1-M4 (in fact it
appears that you can have eight frequencies and M1-M4 can be both tap
and hold).

I haven't tired it but you might even be able to use "Hold" M1-M4 for
setting bandwidth and M>V "tap" M1-M4 for your per band scratchpad
memories.

> I think what people really miss is being able to tap the band buttons
> and have two frequencies stored in each band button like a Yaesu will
> do. I really miss those band buttons. :-)

M1-M4 are almost as convenient ... certainly on par with the Yaesu QMB
memories without shifting the radio into memory mode and messing up
the logging software <G>.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 8/9/2010 10:35 PM, Tom W8JI wrote:

>> I think somewhere in the archives there is a comment from Elecraft
>> regarding
>> the PF buttons on the P3 being able to operate some features/menus on the
>> K3?.
>
> I programmed the M1 through M4 buttons for bandwidth instead of using the
> rotary knob. Much better for CW.
>
> I would like to disable the attenuator so ops don't push too long and turn
> it on. With my station I never use the ATT function, just preamp on or off.
>
> The only other issue is the A>B split button and A/B. It would be nice to
> have a second frequency tucked away for instant recall with one quick tap,
> not what is on VFO A or B. I think what people really miss is being able to
> tap the band buttons and have two frequencies stored in each band button
> like a Yaesu will do. I really miss those band buttons. :-)
>
> The size isn't as important to operators here (or me) as being able to make
> the above happen fast while distracted. I'd take a bigger box to have those
> band buttons.
>
> 73 Tom
>
>
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Buck - k4ia

Re: Big Box K-3

In reply to this post by Nicholas Farrar-2

Maybe naming the thread "Big Box K3" was a mistake. I should have called
it the K3Pro or + or Field.

The idea was to explore what might happen if a K3+ included a built in
power supply, amplifier, P3, speaker etc. And as a result of the bigger box,
larger knobs and buttons. It's the same great radio packaged to a
different concept to appeal to different users.

I don't think a K3+ equipped as described would weigh one ounce more than
4 or 5 discreet boxes containing the same components. It would probably
weigh less and take up less room.

Now, I'm sorry I brought it up. No good deed goes unpunished.

k4ia
"Buck"
Fredericksburg, VA
K3 #101

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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: Big Box K-3

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Correction ... "M>V hold M1-M4" are not available for per band
memories.

However, you can program M1-M4 for your bandwidth (selectivity)
macros and still use V>M M1-M4/M>V M1-M4 for the per band memories.
There is no need to give up the four selectivity settings - but
you can also store selectivity configurations using Norm 1/Norm 2
in each "filter" bank (I/II).

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 8/10/2010 12:13 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

>
> Tom,
>
> > I programmed the M1 through M4 buttons for bandwidth instead of using
> > the rotary knob. Much better for CW.
>
> You can recall the default bandwidth for each roofing filter by using
> the XFIL button. If you then used PF1/PF2 for two other bandwidths
> you would not tie up M1 - M4.
>
> > It would be nice to have a second frequency tucked away for instant
> > recall with one quick tap, not what is on VFO A or B.
>
> If you free up M1 - M4 you can store four frequencies per band ... to
> save them it's V>M M1-M4, to recall them it's M>V M1-M4 (in fact it
> appears that you can have eight frequencies and M1-M4 can be both tap
> and hold).
>
> I haven't tired it but you might even be able to use "Hold" M1-M4 for
> setting bandwidth and M>V "tap" M1-M4 for your per band scratchpad
> memories.
>
> > I think what people really miss is being able to tap the band buttons
> > and have two frequencies stored in each band button like a Yaesu will
> > do. I really miss those band buttons. :-)
>
> M1-M4 are almost as convenient ... certainly on par with the Yaesu QMB
> memories without shifting the radio into memory mode and messing up
> the logging software<G>.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
> On 8/9/2010 10:35 PM, Tom W8JI wrote:
>>> I think somewhere in the archives there is a comment from Elecraft
>>> regarding
>>> the PF buttons on the P3 being able to operate some features/menus on the
>>> K3?.
>>
>> I programmed the M1 through M4 buttons for bandwidth instead of using the
>> rotary knob. Much better for CW.
>>
>> I would like to disable the attenuator so ops don't push too long and turn
>> it on. With my station I never use the ATT function, just preamp on or off.
>>
>> The only other issue is the A>B split button and A/B. It would be nice to
>> have a second frequency tucked away for instant recall with one quick tap,
>> not what is on VFO A or B. I think what people really miss is being able to
>> tap the band buttons and have two frequencies stored in each band button
>> like a Yaesu will do. I really miss those band buttons. :-)
>>
>> The size isn't as important to operators here (or me) as being able to make
>> the above happen fast while distracted. I'd take a bigger box to have those
>> band buttons.
>>
>> 73 Tom
>>
>>
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: Big Box K-3 [Thread ends at 0700Z]

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Must be a -really- dead HF propagation day..
Let's end this thread at midnight PDT tonight (0700Z)

Please keep it civil and as terse as possible.

(I'll be posting the list guidelines tomorrow..)

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On Aug 9, 2010, at 9:29 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Maybe naming the thread "Big Box K3" was a mistake. I should have called
> it the K3Pro or + or Field.
>
> The idea was to explore what might happen if a K3+ included a built in
> power supply, amplifier, P3, speaker etc. And as a result of the bigger box,
> larger knobs and buttons. It's the same great radio packaged to a
> different concept to appeal to different users.
>
> I don't think a K3+ equipped as described would weigh one ounce more than
> 4 or 5 discreet boxes containing the same components. It would probably
> weigh less and take up less room.
>
> Now, I'm sorry I brought it up. No good deed goes unpunished.
>
> k4ia
> "Buck"
> Fredericksburg, VA
> K3 #101
>
> ______________________________________________________________

Brett Howard

Re: Big Box K-3

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

I just want to be able to see the entire menu (or more of it) over on
the P3 all at the same time and I want to see the menu item and the
current value that they are set to.

Here is an example of how it could look:
http://www.tentec.com/images/6.jpg

This way as you're barreling through the options you eye can be looking
for the one you want and can see more at once rather that only one at a
time.

I really like how fast one can traverse the menus with the two knobs and
the tap disp for default value and a tid bit of help works wonderfully
but they could be much more user friendly and better integrated as a
product if you could get a view like that of above on the P3!

~Brett (N7MG)

On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 21:47 -0400, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Brett,
>
> I think the K3 gets an undeserved "bad rap" for the menus. The main
> menu has only 13 items in it, and those are the items most likely to be
> changed during operation. Assigning these menu items to buttons might
> make sense in some instances, but I don't change mics very often, nor do
> I change the LED or LCD brightness often, so even the MAIN menu in my K3
> gets little use.
>
> Yes, the CONFIG menu is large and has many settings, but those are
> usually changed only as one has occasion to add options, or experiment
> with some of the settings to see if the operation of the K3 can be
> improved (such as the AGC settings). I cannot see the CONFIG menu items
> needing a button because they should not be needed in normal operation -
> experiment a bit to determine the best setting, and then leave it
> there. Too much "monkeying" with the CONFIG menu can lead to
> unintentional changes that cause "stange and confusing happenings".
>
> If there is a need to access a CONFIG menu item frequently, perhaps one
> should lobby for moving that menu item to the main menu.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Brett Howard wrote:
> > ... make the menus
> > of the K3 more user friendly.
> >
> > ~Brett (N7MG)
> >
> >

gm3sek

Button HOLD time

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

Don Wilhelm wrote:

>I can't help with eliminating the ATT hold button.

But Elecraft could. How about this?

"CONFIG:HOLDDLY. Increases the HOLD time required to activate secondary
functions of push buttons and knobs. Minimum (and default) is 0.5
seconds. Further option: for extra-long HOLD times on the BAND and MODE
rocker buttons, tap [1] to multiply the selected HOLD time by 1.5; tap
[2] to multiply by 2; tap [0] to reset BAND and MODE buttons to the same
HOLD time as all others (default). For further protection against
accidental activation of HOLD functions, see CONFIG:SW TONE and
CONFIG:PWR SET (tap [1] to lock)."

Any K3 owner who hosts a multi-op station will understand why.

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Gary Gregory

Re: Button HOLD time

Ian,

I like your idea, would work for me and I would certainly change my default
setting as they are now.

73's
Gary

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Ian White GM3SEK <[hidden email]>wrote:

> Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
> >I can't help with eliminating the ATT hold button.
>
> But Elecraft could. How about this?
>
> "CONFIG:HOLDDLY. Increases the HOLD time required to activate secondary
> functions of push buttons and knobs. Minimum (and default) is 0.5
> seconds. Further option: for extra-long HOLD times on the BAND and MODE
> rocker buttons, tap [1] to multiply the selected HOLD time by 1.5; tap
> [2] to multiply by 2; tap [0] to reset BAND and MODE buttons to the same
> HOLD time as all others (default). For further protection against
> accidental activation of HOLD functions, see CONFIG:SW TONE and
> CONFIG:PWR SET (tap [1] to lock)."
>
>
> Any K3 owner who hosts a multi-op station will understand why.
>
>
> --
>
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
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alsopb

Re: Button HOLD time

The tap and hold time constants have never matched my body very well.
It would be great to have these time constants user adjustable. I'm
pretty tired of getting a band change when switching between QSK and
semi-- especially during a contact.

It just seems reasonable that there are a distribution of biological
time constants when it comes to tap and hold.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 8/10/2010 2:56 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:

> Ian,
>
> I like your idea, would work for me and I would certainly change my default
> setting as they are now.
>
> 73's
> Gary
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Ian White GM3SEK<[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>
>> Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I can't help with eliminating the ATT hold button.
>>>
>> But Elecraft could. How about this?
>>
>> "CONFIG:HOLDDLY. Increases the HOLD time required to activate secondary
>> functions of push buttons and knobs. Minimum (and default) is 0.5
>> seconds. Further option: for extra-long HOLD times on the BAND and MODE
>> rocker buttons, tap [1] to multiply the selected HOLD time by 1.5; tap
>> [2] to multiply by 2; tap [0] to reset BAND and MODE buttons to the same
>> HOLD time as all others (default). For further protection against
>> accidental activation of HOLD functions, see CONFIG:SW TONE and
>> CONFIG:PWR SET (tap [1] to lock)."
>>
>>
>> Any K3 owner who hosts a multi-op station will understand why.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
>> http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek
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Nicholas Farrar-2

Re: Big Box K-3

In reply to this post by Nicholas Farrar-2

My thoughts exactly. I has hoping for a calm productive discussion. I agree
with Buck, ideally all of these components would weight the same or less
than they do now. Marketing this GREAT radio to a new radiance that want
that big box all in one radio. Like the guys that buy DX-9000s and IC-7800s.
10-12,000 pop! I think those users would be happier with a big box K3 and
they dont even know it. But they refuse to look at the K3 because they want
the band scope built in or some thing else.

So, I've said more than my peace. Elecraft if you ever build a larger case
count me In.

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From: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Big Box K-3
To: [hidden email]
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Maybe naming the thread "Big Box K3" was a mistake. I should have called
it the K3Pro or + or Field.

The idea was to explore what might happen if a K3+ included a built in
power supply, amplifier, P3, speaker etc. And as a result of the bigger
box,
larger knobs and buttons. It's the same great radio packaged to a
different concept to appeal to different users.

I don't think a K3+ equipped as described would weigh one ounce more than
4 or 5 discreet boxes containing the same components. It would probably
weigh less and take up less room.

Now, I'm sorry I brought it up. No good deed goes unpunished.

k4ia
"Buck"
Fredericksburg, VA
K3 #101
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W8JI

Re: Button HOLD time

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Thanks Ian, that was helpful!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian White GM3SEK" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:52 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Button HOLD time

> Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>>I can't help with eliminating the ATT hold button.
>
> But Elecraft could. How about this?
>
> "CONFIG:HOLDDLY. Increases the HOLD time required to activate secondary
> functions of push buttons and knobs. Minimum (and default) is 0.5
> seconds. Further option: for extra-long HOLD times on the BAND and MODE
> rocker buttons, tap [1] to multiply the selected HOLD time by 1.5; tap
> [2] to multiply by 2; tap [0] to reset BAND and MODE buttons to the same
> HOLD time as all others (default). For further protection against
> accidental activation of HOLD functions, see CONFIG:SW TONE and
> CONFIG:PWR SET (tap [1] to lock)."
>
>
> Any K3 owner who hosts a multi-op station will understand why.
>
>
> --
>
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
> http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek
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ka9zap

Re: Wish List K3 remote front face kit

In reply to this post by W8JI

I know that the big box thread has been killed I was going to post my
thoughts yesterday but did not

The only thing the DMU in my subjective opinion was good for besides
(pretty eye candy) was the
menu being completely displayed in plain English, it does
everything..... but nothing well.

Second I really miss the triple band stacking memory in a key pad
numbers on the face of the
radio so....here are my thoughts while I have gotten used to how the
face of the radio does work.

My subjective opinion
I do not like to play "Point and click" computer control radio I want to
operate the radio from the
Radio not a computer, to have this option is nice however so.

Wish list

Front panel option
A removable front panel for one that is much large ...to be determined
by the (engineers who have
done such a marvelous job with the ergonomics of the great radio)
Remember the ts2000 computer
radio face have a cable that connects to a new front end panel like some
sorta of HDMI cable to the
new remote face which could be adjusted to a 45 degree angle or what
ever have the full size buttons
band stacking registry big knobs single tap menu changes all the stuff
one wish for to be determined
by the engineers who design this stuff. I know that I have missed some
feature to be engineered into
this new remote face take a pole see what the customer base would support.
This would be an option so the original size box is not out dated or
made obsolete by then next better
box.
A one tap QMB

Last I like lifting the small radio much better than my newly departed
one owner 18 year old
FT1000d ....small is good with a (remote) new bigger front face for the
K3 would be all good.

Things I love about Elecraft and the K3
The best company in Amateur Radio to deal with customer support
The fact the owners and design team don't hide from the forum and take
e-mails even complaints
High performance in a small light package
The fact you don't have to sell a 2 year old top end radio at 1/2 price
then double the original cost
to get the next latest hype this "new radio" chase is stupid as I see it
I'm done playing the game.

I have ground off the Yaesu tattoo on my chest I will probably never...
purchase another new...
Yaesu radio the FT2000 DMU U-tuning kit experience was a painful eye
opening experience.
YAESU LIED AND MY LOYALTY DIED no diversity receive, triple roof filters
soft front end
stuff that they covered up. Rushing new stuff to market before its ready
to beat the competition.

I know that new products are not easy to learn or adjust to a DVD that
shows all the features
with explanation of how this all works might be useful many learn much
better with audio visual
teaching than reading a manual.

Sorry for the band width Eric

Regards
Art
ka9zap

On 8/9/2010 9:35 PM, Tom W8JI wrote:

>> I think somewhere in the archives there is a comment from Elecraft
>> regarding
>> the PF buttons on the P3 being able to operate some features/menus on the
>> K3?.
>>
> I programmed the M1 through M4 buttons for bandwidth instead of using the
> rotary knob. Much better for CW.
>
> I would like to disable the attenuator so ops don't push too long and turn
> it on. With my station I never use the ATT function, just preamp on or off.
>
> The only other issue is the A>B split button and A/B. It would be nice to
> have a second frequency tucked away for instant recall with one quick tap,
> not what is on VFO A or B. I think what people really miss is being able to
> tap the band buttons and have two frequencies stored in each band button
> like a Yaesu will do. I really miss those band buttons. :-)
>
> The size isn't as important to operators here (or me) as being able to make
> the above happen fast while distracted. I'd take a bigger box to have those
> band buttons.
>
> 73 Tom
>
>
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W8JI

Re: Storing frequencies and bandwidth

In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4

> You can recall the default bandwidth for each roofing filter by using
> the XFIL button. If you then used PF1/PF2 for two other bandwidths
> you would not tie up M1 - M4.

When operators come in and have an hour or two to learn things, it is easier
to relabel the M1-M4 bandwidth and just tap them. When there is QRM and a
contact lasts only a few seconds bandwidth needs changed fast! Push and hold
takes too long. The RIT and XIT are also used all the time, so there is that
consideration.

> > It would be nice to have a second frequency tucked away for instant
> > recall with one quick tap, not what is on VFO A or B.
>
> If you free up M1 - M4 you can store four frequencies per band ... to
> save them it's V>M M1-M4, to recall them it's M>V M1-M4 (in fact it
> appears that you can have eight frequencies and M1-M4 can be both tap
> and hold).

The use of RIT and the need for speed in changing BW means I have to keep
bandwidths on M1-M4. It might be ok but it might also be too inconvient with
so many button pushes, I haven't tried it because one of the first
suggestions was to get bandwidths on push buttons. :-)

I'll give it a try though by eliminating one preset bandwidth and see how it
plays.
It's just really nice to have a stacking memory in the BAND buttons.
Everyone I know uses it far more than regular memories.

> I haven't tired it but you might even be able to use "Hold" M1-M4 for
> setting bandwidth

No, that has to be FAST.

>and M>V "tap" M1-M4 for your per band scratchpad
> memories.

That might be able to be a "hold", I'm going to try making the hold delay
longer.

73 Tom

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Re: Storing frequencies and bandwidth

An outboard appliance containing programmable buttons would be useful. For example, I'll push SPOT hundreds of times during a contest. A small pod that I could position on the left side of my computer keyboard would be nice. Bandwidth selection from the pod would be a real bonus.

73,
Mike K2MK

W8JI wrote

> You can recall the default bandwidth for each roofing filter by using
> the XFIL button. If you then used PF1/PF2 for two other bandwidths
> you would not tie up M1 - M4.

When operators come in and have an hour or two to learn things, it is easier
to relabel the M1-M4 bandwidth and just tap them. When there is QRM and a
contact lasts only a few seconds bandwidth needs changed fast! Push and hold
takes too long. The RIT and XIT are also used all the time, so there is that
consideration.

> > It would be nice to have a second frequency tucked away for instant
> > recall with one quick tap, not what is on VFO A or B.
>
> If you free up M1 - M4 you can store four frequencies per band ... to
> save them it's V>M M1-M4, to recall them it's M>V M1-M4 (in fact it
> appears that you can have eight frequencies and M1-M4 can be both tap
> and hold).

The use of RIT and the need for speed in changing BW means I have to keep
bandwidths on M1-M4. It might be ok but it might also be too inconvient with
so many button pushes, I haven't tried it because one of the first
suggestions was to get bandwidths on push buttons. :-)

I'll give it a try though by eliminating one preset bandwidth and see how it
plays.
It's just really nice to have a stacking memory in the BAND buttons.
Everyone I know uses it far more than regular memories.

> I haven't tired it but you might even be able to use "Hold" M1-M4 for
> setting bandwidth

No, that has to be FAST.

>and M>V "tap" M1-M4 for your per band scratchpad
> memories.

That might be able to be a "hold", I'm going to try making the hold delay
longer.

73 Tom