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Can P3 output to a monitor?

W2BLC
I haven't bought the K3 and P3 combo - still kicking the tires. That,
and getting a few more questions answered.

It is possible to output the P3 to a large monitor? Anyone doing it that
can comment?

Thanks,

Bill W2BLC

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Monitor output...

John Ragle

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Re: Monitor output...

John Ragle
John Ragle writes:

According to the powers that be at Elecraft, they are working on the
design of an SVGA output to augment the LCD screen. The cutout is
already present in the rear panel of the P3.

Having used a P3 for several weeks, I can tell you that the built-in
display is much better than one sees in the ads. In part, this is
physiological...the eye is not fast enough to show the jaggies that show
in a screen photo. My conclusion wrt display quality is that the LCD
screen is quite acceptable.

As a panadapter, the P3 is much nicer to work with than e.g. HDSDR/PMSDR
or LP-Pan, which take up most of a screen with doo-dads.

I should add that because the P3 uses a very fast ADC (60 MHz sampling
rate!), one does not have to bother about the computer's sound card, in
which the normal limit is 192 kHz or less (usually LESS, giving lower
Nyquist frequencies...).

John Ragle -- W1ZI

Sorry about the empty elecraft note...the server apparently doesn't like
HTML.

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Re: Can P3 output to a monitor?

Alexander Sack
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On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 12:17 PM, W2BLC <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I haven't bought the K3 and P3 combo - still kicking the tires. That,
> and getting a few more questions answered.
>
> It is possible to output the P3 to a large monitor? Anyone doing it that
> can comment?

If you search the list, its has been asked several times.

Answer:  Not right now,  but Elecraft is actively developing this enhancement.

73

-aps
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Re: Monitor output...

David Gilbert
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I don't think I can agree with that part of your post ... this looks
like a pretty nice display to me.

http://www.telepostinc.com/TRX-rev13.png

Dave   Ab7E



On 5/13/2011 10:49 AM, John Ragle wrote:
>
> As a panadapter, the P3 is much nicer to work with than e.g. HDSDR/PMSDR
> or LP-Pan, which take up most of a screen with doo-dads.
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Re: Can P3 output to a monitor?

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ
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We are -very-  actively working on it at this time. Look for it later
this summer if everything goes to plan.

73, Eric

On 5/13/2011 10:50 AM, Alexander Sack wrote:

> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 12:17 PM, W2BLC<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> I haven't bought the K3 and P3 combo - still kicking the tires. That,
>> and getting a few more questions answered.
>>
>> It is possible to output the P3 to a large monitor? Anyone doing it that
>> can comment?
> If you search the list, its has been asked several times.
>
> Answer:  Not right now,  but Elecraft is actively developing this enhancement.
>
> 73
>
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Re: Can P3 output to a monitor?

Bob Naumann W5OV
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This email was an LDE from last Saturday that somehow was transmitted today.


> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 12:17 PM, W2BLC <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I haven't bought the K3 and P3 combo - still kicking the tires. That,
>> and getting a few more questions answered.
>>
>> It is possible to output the P3 to a large monitor? Anyone doing it that
>> can comment?
>
> If you search the list, its has been asked several times.
>
> Answer:  Not right now,  but Elecraft is actively developing this
> enhancement.
>
> 73
>
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Re: Monitor output...

George Danner
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Dave,
I have both and have migrated to using the P3's display 100% of the time.
LP-Pan on the computer might be much more useful for me if I had a second
monitor.
I will probably try the P3 external monitor when it becomes available. At
that time I can decide on the LP-Pan or larger P3 display.
IMHO - if cost is the major issue then I would recommend LP-Pan. If seamless
integration where you don't want to futz with the computer, sound card &
software issues then the P3 should be your choice; especially if the VGA
option looks good in a larger format.
Disclaimer - I have not moved to TRX-Pan on my LP-Pan so my comments are for
the LP-Pan using PowerSDR/IF.
George
AI4VZ

-----Original Message-----
From: David Gilbert
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:45 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Monitor output...


I don't think I can agree with that part of your post ... this looks
like a pretty nice display to me.

http://www.telepostinc.com/TRX-rev13.png

Dave   Ab7E



On 5/13/2011 10:49 AM, John Ragle wrote:
>
> As a panadapter, the P3 is much nicer to work with than e.g. HDSDR/PMSDR
> or LP-Pan, which take up most of a screen with doo-dads.
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Re: Monitor output...

alorona
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It looks like that sound card has a problem with harmonics of some sort of
spurious or noise signal. Unless I'm reading the screen wrong... which is my 2nd
complaint about it.

Al W6LX

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I don't think I can agree with that part of your post ... this looks
like a pretty nice display to me.

http://www.telepostinc.com/TRX-rev13.png

Dave  Ab7E
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Re: Monitor output...

ac0h
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Agreed.

I'm a little curious if the P3 will have enough horsepower to
drive my 22" LCD to slightly respectable resolution. If not, why bother?


On Fri, 13 May 2011 11:45:36 -0700
David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I don't think I can agree with that part of your post ... this looks
> like a pretty nice display to me.
>
> http://www.telepostinc.com/TRX-rev13.png
>
> Dave   Ab7E




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Re: Monitor output...

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ
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Yes.

73, Eric


On 5/13/2011 1:04 PM, R. Kevin Stover wrote:

> Agreed.
>
> I'm a little curious if the P3 will have enough horsepower to
> drive my 22" LCD to slightly respectable resolution. If not, why bother?
>
>
> On Fri, 13 May 2011 11:45:36 -0700
> David Gilbert<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>
>> I don't think I can agree with that part of your post ... this looks
>> like a pretty nice display to me.
>>
>> http://www.telepostinc.com/TRX-rev13.png
>>
>> Dave   Ab7E
>
>
>
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Re: Monitor output...

Gary K9GS
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I've also thought of getting some type of panadaptor.  Initially I was
drawn to to the LP-Pan due to the cost being so much less than the K3.  
Then I started looking at having to upgrade the shack computer to
accommodate a high performance sound card and the cost differential went
away pretty fast.

I'm encouraged by what I've read here on the P3 and can't wait to see
one at Dayton.  I'm thinking a P3 driving a nice big 20 something inch
monitor would be the way to go.

Speaking of big monitors...wouldn't it make more sense for the P3 output
to be DVI instead of SVGA?  Don't most of the larger/higher performance
monitors have DVI inputs or do they all have both?  I have a pair of 20"
monitors on the shack computer currently that I believe have both but I
don't know if dual inputs is the norm or not??



On 5/13/2011 2:36 PM, GDanner wrote:

> Dave,
> I have both and have migrated to using the P3's display 100% of the time.
> LP-Pan on the computer might be much more useful for me if I had a second
> monitor.
> I will probably try the P3 external monitor when it becomes available. At
> that time I can decide on the LP-Pan or larger P3 display.
> IMHO - if cost is the major issue then I would recommend LP-Pan. If seamless
> integration where you don't want to futz with the computer, sound card&
> software issues then the P3 should be your choice; especially if the VGA
> option looks good in a larger format.
> Disclaimer - I have not moved to TRX-Pan on my LP-Pan so my comments are for
> the LP-Pan using PowerSDR/IF.
> George
> AI4VZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Gilbert
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:45 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Monitor output...
>
>
> I don't think I can agree with that part of your post ... this looks
> like a pretty nice display to me.
>
> http://www.telepostinc.com/TRX-rev13.png
>
> Dave   Ab7E
>
>
>
> On 5/13/2011 10:49 AM, John Ragle wrote:
>> As a panadapter, the P3 is much nicer to work with than e.g. HDSDR/PMSDR
>> or LP-Pan, which take up most of a screen with doo-dads.
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Re: Monitor output...

M0XDF
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So, pushing it while we can Eric, will it work like a laptop and allow us to display on P3, separate monitor and both, as we choose via a function key?
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108

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On 13 May 2011, at 23:11, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

> Yes.
>
> 73, Eric
>
>
> On 5/13/2011 1:04 PM, R. Kevin Stover wrote:
>> Agreed.
>>
>> I'm a little curious if the P3 will have enough horsepower to
>> drive my 22" LCD to slightly respectable resolution. If not, why bother?

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Re: Monitor output...

Stephen G4SJP
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That's a very good point. My 22" samsung only has a dvi input.

Stephen G4SJP

On Saturday, May 14, 2011, Gary K9GS <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I've also thought of getting some type of panadaptor.  Initially I was
> drawn to to the LP-Pan due to the cost being so much less than the K3.
> Then I started looking at having to upgrade the shack computer to
> accommodate a high performance sound card and the cost differential went
> away pretty fast.
>
> I'm encouraged by what I've read here on the P3 and can't wait to see
> one at Dayton.  I'm thinking a P3 driving a nice big 20 something inch
> monitor would be the way to go.
>
> Speaking of big monitors...wouldn't it make more sense for the P3 output
> to be DVI instead of SVGA?  Don't most of the larger/higher performance
> monitors have DVI inputs or do they all have both?  I have a pair of 20"
> monitors on the shack computer currently that I believe have both but I
> don't know if dual inputs is the norm or not??
>
>
>
> On 5/13/2011 2:36 PM, GDanner wrote:
>> Dave,
>> I have both and have migrated to using the P3's display 100% of the time.
>> LP-Pan on the computer might be much more useful for me if I had a second
>> monitor.
>> I will probably try the P3 external monitor when it becomes available. At
>> that time I can decide on the LP-Pan or larger P3 display.
>> IMHO - if cost is the major issue then I would recommend LP-Pan. If seamless
>> integration where you don't want to futz with the computer, sound card&
>> software issues then the P3 should be your choice; especially if the VGA
>> option looks good in a larger format.
>> Disclaimer - I have not moved to TRX-Pan on my LP-Pan so my comments are for
>> the LP-Pan using PowerSDR/IF.
>> George
>> AI4VZ
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Gilbert
>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:45 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Monitor output...
>>
>>
>> I don't think I can agree with that part of your post ... this looks
>> like a pretty nice display to me.
>>
>> http://www.telepostinc.com/TRX-rev13.png
>>
>> Dave   Ab7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/13/2011 10:49 AM, John Ragle wrote:
>>> As a panadapter, the P3 is much nicer to work with than e.g. HDSDR/PMSDR
>>> or LP-Pan, which take up most of a screen with doo-dads.
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>
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Re: Monitor output...

k5oai
not saying buy it from Amazon,
it was just the first search result
http://www.amazon.com/DVI-HD15-DVI-SVGA-Adapter/dp/B000PJAQ28
$4.22 for the adapter

maybe we could make do with the existing vga output design
cutout from the P3.....

GB & 73
K5OAI
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On 5/14/2011 6:53 AM, Stephen Prior wrote:

> That's a very good point. My 22" samsung only has a dvi input.
>
> Stephen G4SJP
>
> On Saturday, May 14, 2011, Gary K9GS<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>
>> I've also thought of getting some type of panadaptor.  Initially I was
>> drawn to to the LP-Pan due to the cost being so much less than the K3.
>> Then I started looking at having to upgrade the shack computer to
>> accommodate a high performance sound card and the cost differential went
>> away pretty fast.
>>
>> I'm encouraged by what I've read here on the P3 and can't wait to see
>> one at Dayton.  I'm thinking a P3 driving a nice big 20 something inch
>> monitor would be the way to go.
>>
>> Speaking of big monitors...wouldn't it make more sense for the P3 output
>> to be DVI instead of SVGA?  Don't most of the larger/higher performance
>> monitors have DVI inputs or do they all have both?  I have a pair of 20"
>> monitors on the shack computer currently that I believe have both but I
>> don't know if dual inputs is the norm or not??
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/13/2011 2:36 PM, GDanner wrote:
>>> Dave,
>>> I have both and have migrated to using the P3's display 100% of the time.
>>> LP-Pan on the computer might be much more useful for me if I had a second
>>> monitor.
>>> I will probably try the P3 external monitor when it becomes available. At
>>> that time I can decide on the LP-Pan or larger P3 display.
>>> IMHO - if cost is the major issue then I would recommend LP-Pan. If seamless
>>> integration where you don't want to futz with the computer, sound card&
>>> software issues then the P3 should be your choice; especially if the VGA
>>> option looks good in a larger format.
>>> Disclaimer - I have not moved to TRX-Pan on my LP-Pan so my comments are for
>>> the LP-Pan using PowerSDR/IF.
>>> George
>>> AI4VZ
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David Gilbert
>>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:45 PM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Monitor output...
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think I can agree with that part of your post ... this looks
>>> like a pretty nice display to me.
>>>
>>> http://www.telepostinc.com/TRX-rev13.png
>>>
>>> Dave   Ab7E
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/13/2011 10:49 AM, John Ragle wrote:
>>>> As a panadapter, the P3 is much nicer to work with than e.g. HDSDR/PMSDR
>>>> or LP-Pan, which take up most of a screen with doo-dads.
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>>
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Re: Monitor output...

Tony Estep
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On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Gary K9GS <[hidden email]> wrote:

> ....a P3 driving a nice big 20 something inch monitor would be the way to
> go....
>
> I set up a panadaptor display on my computer in parallel with my P3. It
gives a nice big, detailed picture, but I soon scrapped it. Why? Because the
monitor is a step backward from the P3 if it doesn't have point-and-shoot.
There has to be communication between computer and K3. This adds complexity,
software, and another cable. So it's not such a simple task.

Tony KT0NY
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KX1 info...

Phillip Lontz
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Does anyone know what the output impedance of the KX1 is
AND will it drive those very small speakers that are installed in the iTouch, iPhone or iPad.
I have a stash of the iPads etc that are broken so the speakers are very usable.

Also does anyone have a KX1 for sale used new built or unbuilt

Phil
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Want to buy a KX1... used, built or unbuilt etc???

Phillip Lontz
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Looking for a KX1

anyone...

anyone....

Phil
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Re: Monitor output...

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I am running two 27" monitors from one video card.  There is an adaptor on  
one cable to allow it to work with either input to the monitor.  These  
monitors: Asus VE278 Q, have VGA, DVI and HDMI inputs.  I am using DVI on  
one and HDMI on the other because I don't want to run two video cards on  
this box.  The adaptors came with the monitors.
    73,
       Kevin.  KD5ONS




On Sat, 14 May 2011 04:53:01 -0700, Stephen Prior  
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> That's a very good point. My 22" samsung only has a dvi input.
>
> Stephen G4SJP
>
> On Saturday, May 14, 2011, Gary K9GS <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
...
>>
>> Speaking of big monitors...wouldn't it make more sense for the P3 output
>> to be DVI instead of SVGA?  Don't most of the larger/higher performance
>> monitors have DVI inputs or do they all have both?  I have a pair of 20"
>> monitors on the shack computer currently that I believe have both but I
>> don't know if dual inputs is the norm or not??
>>
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Re: Monitor output...

ac0h
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That would be my suggestion.
Those with SVGA monitors can purchase DVI to SVGA adapters.

It'll be interesting to see how the guys at Elecraft do it.
Driving a 22" LCD to 1920 x 1050 x 32 takes some horsepower.
The nVidia card in the machine I'm posting on is a couple years old.
The GPU is running at 550Mhz and there's 512 MB of DDR3 memory on board.
It'll do 1920 x 1050 x 32 but only at 50 Hz refresh rate.


On Fri, 13 May 2011 22:18:15 -0500
Gary K9GS <[hidden email]> wrote:
 
> Speaking of big monitors...wouldn't it make more sense for the P3
> output to be DVI instead of SVGA?  Don't most of the larger/higher
> performance monitors have DVI inputs or do they all have both?  I
> have a pair of 20" monitors on the shack computer currently that I
> believe have both but I don't know if dual inputs is the norm or not??

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