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hf4me

Clock chip

Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An
adjust method for what we have?

Thanks, Jim KG0KP

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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: Clock chip

In which radio?

On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote:

> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An
> adjust method for what we have?
>
>
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Ken G Kopp

Re: Clock chip

Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" / WWVB devices ... as in wrist
watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 and KX3
and make the clock actually usable.

73

Ken - K0PP
On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> In which radio?
>
> On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>
>> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An
>> adjust method for what we have?
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Jim KG0KP
>>
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Raymond Sills

Re: Clock chip

Certainly, having an accurate clock inside the rig would be handy,
especially for those who use manual logging. Even though wristwatches
with WWVB receivers can be had fairly inexpensively, I'm sure it would
be more costly for Elecraft to add it to their rigs. But, if it's
available as an option, then those who want it, can buy it.

Me? I just use the clock on my cell phone. And, it's a smart phone,
and I have a logging program I can use.

73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211

On Feb 15, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

> Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" / WWVB devices ... as in wrist
> watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3
> and KX3
> and make the clock actually usable.
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
> On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> In which radio?
>>
>> On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep
>>> time. An
>>> adjust method for what we have?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jim KG0KP
>>>
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David Pratt

Re: Clock chip

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That would be no good to me, Ken, WWVB is not receivable in Great Britain. We would need MSF on 60 kHz. Remember that the KX3 & K3 are global transceivers used throughout the world.

73

David G4DMP

David Pratt on his Asus Nexus 7 tablet.On 15 Feb 2015 18:24, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" / WWVB devices ... as in wrist
> watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 and KX3
> and make the clock actually usable.
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
> On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > In which radio?
> >
> > On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
> >
> >> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An
> >> adjust method for what we have?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks, Jim KG0KP
> >>
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Rose

Re: Clock chip

Excallent point Dave. I apologize for my "regional" thinking .... ( :-)

73 - Ken
On Feb 15, 2015 11:55 AM, "David Pratt" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> That would be no good to me, Ken, WWVB is not receivable in Great
> Britain. We would need MSF on 60 kHz. Remember that the KX3 & K3 are
> global transceivers used throughout the world.
>
> 73
>
> David G4DMP
>
> David Pratt on his Asus Nexus 7 tablet.On 15 Feb 2015 18:24, Ken G Kopp <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" / WWVB devices ... as in wrist
> > watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 and
> KX3
> > and make the clock actually usable.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Ken - K0PP
> > On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > In which radio?
> > >
> > > On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
> > >
> > >> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep
> time. An
> > >> adjust method for what we have?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, Jim KG0KP
> > >>
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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: Clock chip

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The original poster didn't tell us which radio, so I'm not sure how much
I care.

The clock in my KX3 works fine, and I can use the KX3 receiver to tune
in WWV (or any other time service around the world).

The typical battery powered "atomic clock" only checks the time service
every 4 to 6 hours. Depending on where you live (including the RF
environment) it may only sync every couple of days.

GPS will go from off to having the time in a minute or two, and as
someone else noted, cell phones work well too (the cellular network gets
time from GPS).

Personally, I use my computer clock, which syncs frequently via NTP.

On 2/15/2015 10:24 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>
> Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" / WWVB devices ... as in wrist
> watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 and
> KX3 and make the clock actually usable.
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
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Chester Alderman

Re: Clock chip

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Elecraft, please do not pay any attention to these childish request and
please continue improving the K3 with things like these recent synthesizers!

Thanks,

Tom - W4BQF

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Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip

Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An
adjust method for what we have?

Thanks, Jim KG0KP

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Wes (N7WS)

Re: Clock chip

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I have a "smart" phone too (iPhone)

Unfortunately, it's not smart enough to realize that most of AZ is smart enough
to know that "Daylight Savings Time" doesn't really save any daylight, so we
don't mess with our clocks twice a year. So I either have to turn off automatic
updates and have it drift off a few minutes from correct time or have it
"perfectly" off by an hour.

Wes N7WS

On 2/15/2015 11:52 AM, Ray Sills wrote:
>
> Me? I just use the clock on my cell phone. And, it's a smart phone, and I
> have a logging program I can use.
>
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211

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Re: Clock chip

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Seems to me the answer may be simpler than trying to use VLF transmissions
for U.S. or U.K. atomic clocks. I think that technology is almost "old hat"
these days.

I have a "golf" watch that gives me yardages on just about any golf course
in the world, and it is all coordinated by GPS satellites. It starts
operating in just a few seconds from the time you turn it on--incredibly
faster than the first GPS unit I owned. The time function is instantaneous,
and I assume that comes from the GPS satellites as well. So, couldn’t
something along this line be incorporated in a ham rig? Heck! It could
even probably give you your current grid square! Maybe this sound like it
could be "pricey", but I suspect the electronic "guts" of a GPS unit are
becoming pretty inexpensive to create. The incredible stuff I'm getting out
of China these days, and for "nickels and dimes", makes me think this is
doable, and at a reasonable price!

Dave W7AQK

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bs usb

Re: Clock chip

Only one problem that I can see. People who don't know where they are
or what time of day it is are probably not interested paying money to
find out.

dyarnes wrote:

> Seems to me the answer may be simpler than trying to use VLF
> transmissions for U.S. or U.K. atomic clocks. I think that technology
> is almost "old hat" these days.
>
> I have a "golf" watch that gives me yardages on just about any golf
> course in the world, and it is all coordinated by GPS satellites. It
> starts operating in just a few seconds from the time you turn it
> on--incredibly faster than the first GPS unit I owned. The time
> function is instantaneous, and I assume that comes from the GPS
> satellites as well. So, couldn’t something along this line be
> incorporated in a ham rig? Heck! It could even probably give you
> your current grid square! Maybe this sound like it could be "pricey",
> but I suspect the electronic "guts" of a GPS unit are becoming pretty
> inexpensive to create. The incredible stuff I'm getting out of China
> these days, and for "nickels and dimes", makes me think this is
> doable, and at a reasonable price!
>
> Dave W7AQK
>
>
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: Clock chip

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Ditto.

There would be a great advancement in civilization if vendors of various electronic gear
can focus on the purpose of the gear rather than adding a silly clock unless the electronic
gear is indeed a clock.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Feb 15, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Chester Alderman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Elecraft, please do not pay any attention to these childish request and
> please continue improving the K3 with things like these recent synthesizers!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom - W4BQF
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim
> Miller
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 12:53 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] Clock chip
>
> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An
> adjust method for what we have?
>
>
>
> Thanks, Jim KG0KP
>
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Phil Kane-2

Re: Clock chip

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On 2/15/2015 11:46 AM, bs usb wrote:

> Only one problem that I can see. People who don't know where they are
> or what time of day it is are probably not interested paying money to
> find out.

Not so much "People who don't know" as "People who don't care to know ".
The reductio-ad-absurdum" is of course the stopped clock which is
accurate twice a day.

As operators of precision electric equipment that spews signals into
"the ether" (to use an outdated term :) ) I feel that we have an
obligation to know stuff like that.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Clock chip

Phil,

I guess I am one of those don't care types much of the time :-) .

I have a watch on my wrist - it is used when I want to know what time it
is.
I for one have no use for a clock in a radio. If I am logging when
portable, my watch tells me all I need to know and does not take up
display space on the radio.
Usually I don't care what time it is unless I have an appointment - my
stomach tells me when it is time to eat. I am retired, and the work
that I do is on my own schedule.

I usually know where I am, but if not, I try first to consult with a map
- can't stand those GPS units that tell you what to do and where to turn
- give me a map where I can see my "to" and "from" and I can navigate
just fine, thank you.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/15/2015 3:04 PM, Phil Kane wrote:

> On 2/15/2015 11:46 AM, bs usb wrote:
>
>> Only one problem that I can see. People who don't know where they are
>> or what time of day it is are probably not interested paying money to
>> find out.
> Not so much "People who don't know" as "People who don't care to know ".
> The reductio-ad-absurdum" is of course the stopped clock which is
> accurate twice a day.
>
> As operators of precision electric equipment that spews signals into
> "the ether" (to use an outdated term :) ) I feel that we have an
> obligation to know stuff like that.
>
>

Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Clock chip

In reply to this post by Ken G Kopp

Usable only in the part of the world where WWVB is
receivable.

Phil W7OX

On 2/15/15 10:24 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:

> Given the tiny size of "atomic clock" / WWVB devices ... as in wrist
> watches ... it would seem one could be integrated into both the K3 and KX3
> and make the clock actually usable.
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
> On Feb 15, 2015 11:17 AM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> In which radio?
>>
>> On 2/15/2015 9:52 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Elecraft, Please give us a replacement clock chip that will keep time. An
>>> adjust method for what we have?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jim KG0KP

Phil Wheeler-2

Re: Clock chip

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

I agree with you, Don re no real use for a clock
in a radio.

OTOH, if there is one -- and there is one in the
K3 -- I'd like it to be at least as accurate as
the $15 watch I have on my wrist :-)

I do wonder why there is one at all.

73, Phil W7OX

On 2/15/15 1:30 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Phil,
>
> I guess I am one of those don't care types much
> of the time :-) .
>
> I have a watch on my wrist - it is used when I
> want to know what time it is.
> I for one have no use for a clock in a radio.
> If I am logging when portable, my watch tells me
> all I need to know and does not take up display
> space on the radio.
> Usually I don't care what time it is unless I
> have an appointment - my stomach tells me when
> it is time to eat. I am retired, and the work
> that I do is on my own schedule.
>
> I usually know where I am, but if not, I try
> first to consult with a map - can't stand those
> GPS units that tell you what to do and where to
> turn - give me a map where I can see my "to" and
> "from" and I can navigate just fine, thank you.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 2/15/2015 3:04 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
>> On 2/15/2015 11:46 AM, bs usb wrote:
>>
>>> Only one problem that I can see. People who
>>> don't know where they are
>>> or what time of day it is are probably not
>>> interested paying money to
>>> find out.
>> Not so much "People who don't know" as "People
>> who don't care to know ".
>> The reductio-ad-absurdum" is of course the
>> stopped clock which is
>> accurate twice a day.
>>
>> As operators of precision electric equipment
>> that spews signals into
>> "the ether" (to use an outdated term :) ) I
>> feel that we have an
>> obligation to know stuff like that.

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Re: Clock chip

Probably had a little program space free way back when.
I never use the on-board clock though I occasionally reset it via the K3 utility.
Perhaps someone could write a little clock set utility that would reset it off the PC once a day

From: Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip

I agree with you, Don re no real use for a clock
in a radio.

OTOH, if there is one -- and there is one in the
K3 -- I'd like it to be at least as accurate as
the $15 watch I have on my wrist :-)

I do wonder why there is one at all.

73, Phil W7OX

On 2/15/15 1:30 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

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Gary Gregory-2

Re: Clock chip

I use the utility to set the clock and have done this for 7 years.

About 4 times i reckon.....:-)

Gary
Vk1ZZ
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On 16/02/2015 9:37 AM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>
> Probably had a little program space free way back when.
> I never use the on-board clock though I occasionally reset it via the K3
> utility.
> Perhaps someone could write a little clock set utility that would reset it
> off the PC once a day
>
>
> From: Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 5:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip
>
> I agree with you, Don re no real use for a clock
> in a radio.
>
> OTOH, if there is one -- and there is one in the
> K3 -- I'd like it to be at least as accurate as
> the $15 watch I have on my wrist :-)
>
> I do wonder why there is one at all.
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 2/15/15 1:30 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> > Phil,
> >
> > I guess I am one of those don't care types much
> > of the time :-) .
> >
> > I have a watch on my wrist - it is used when I
> > want to know what time it is.
> > I for one have no use for a clock in a radio.
> > If I am logging when portable, my watch tells me
> > all I need to know and does not take up display
> > space on the radio.
> > Usually I don't care what time it is unless I
> > have an appointment - my stomach tells me when
> > it is time to eat. I am retired, and the work
> > that I do is on my own schedule.
> >
> > I usually know where I am, but if not, I try
> > first to consult with a map - can't stand those
> > GPS units that tell you what to do and where to
> > turn - give me a map where I can see my "to" and
> > "from" and I can navigate just fine, thank you.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 2/15/2015 3:04 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
> >> On 2/15/2015 11:46 AM, bs usb wrote:
> >>
> >>> Only one problem that I can see. People who
> >>> don't know where they are
> >>> or what time of day it is are probably not
> >>> interested paying money to
> >>> find out.
> >> Not so much "People who don't know" as "People
> >> who don't care to know ".
> >> The reductio-ad-absurdum" is of course the
> >> stopped clock which is
> >> accurate twice a day.
> >>
> >> As operators of precision electric equipment
> >> that spews signals into
> >> "the ether" (to use an outdated term :) ) I
> >> feel that we have an
> >> obligation to know stuff like that.
>
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Re: Clock chip

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Just got my K3 couple of weeks ago and love the clock
feature..must admit I miss WWVL..yes I am old..

Jim WY4R

On 2/15/2015 6:37 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

>
> Probably had a little program space free way back when.
> I never use the on-board clock though I occasionally reset it via the K3 utility.
> Perhaps someone could write a little clock set utility that would reset it off the PC once a day
>
>
> From: Phil Wheeler <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 5:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip
>
> I agree with you, Don re no real use for a clock
> in a radio.
>
> OTOH, if there is one -- and there is one in the
> K3 -- I'd like it to be at least as accurate as
> the $15 watch I have on my wrist :-)
>
> I do wonder why there is one at all.
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 2/15/15 1:30 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Phil,
>>
>> I guess I am one of those don't care types much
>> of the time :-) .
>>
>> I have a watch on my wrist - it is used when I
>> want to know what time it is.
>> I for one have no use for a clock in a radio.
>> If I am logging when portable, my watch tells me
>> all I need to know and does not take up display
>> space on the radio.
>> Usually I don't care what time it is unless I
>> have an appointment - my stomach tells me when
>> it is time to eat. I am retired, and the work
>> that I do is on my own schedule.
>>
>> I usually know where I am, but if not, I try
>> first to consult with a map - can't stand those
>> GPS units that tell you what to do and where to
>> turn - give me a map where I can see my "to" and
>> "from" and I can navigate just fine, thank you.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 2/15/2015 3:04 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
>>> On 2/15/2015 11:46 AM, bs usb wrote:
>>>
>>>> Only one problem that I can see. People who
>>>> don't know where they are
>>>> or what time of day it is are probably not
>>>> interested paying money to
>>>> find out.
>>> Not so much "People who don't know" as "People
>>> who don't care to know ".
>>> The reductio-ad-absurdum" is of course the
>>> stopped clock which is
>>> accurate twice a day.
>>>
>>> As operators of precision electric equipment
>>> that spews signals into
>>> "the ether" (to use an outdated term :) ) I
>>> feel that we have an
>>> obligation to know stuff like that.
>
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FW: Clock chip

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-----Original Message-----
From: Chester Alderman [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 6:23 PM
To: 'Phil Kane'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Clock chip

I am a retired professional microwave circuit and systems design engineer and I DO consider asking for an accurate clock in a ham radio transceiver a 'childish request'. You can BUY an atomic clock to hang on your wall for less than $50 or you could just look at your PC and if you have it set up correct, see very accurate time information. I consider development of transceiver improvements MUCH more important than I do having engineers spend putting an accurate clock in a good transceiver. As a communications engineer I understand your 'need' for an accurate clock, however I think you are looking for it in a hobby item, inappropriate.

73,
Tom - W4BQF
K3-100F s/n 4521 - Alpha 9500 amp - 2 el 40m yagi and 16 el tribander

From the backwoods of Cecil, Ga. Pop. 253

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Kane [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 2:46 PM
To: Chester Alderman
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Clock chip

On 2/15/2015 11:20 AM, Chester Alderman wrote:

> Elecraft, please do not pay any attention to these childish request
> and please continue improving the K3 with things like these recent synthesizers!

I for one - a professional communications engineer - do not consider asking for a clock chip that keeps accurate time as a "childish request". The opposite - I consider it a necessity, and I consider having a clock that does not keep accurate time and/or display accurate time of day a detriment.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

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